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he has not done an amazing job.
he is riding the coattails of a goalie having a career year so far; does that sound familiar? 23/24 he also rode the coattails of some players having career years. that year is an outlier for his entire coaching career.
I wonder who will last longer, Danny or Tocchet.
its not clear he isn’t a good fit at center as they never game him any chance to find out. that is what a smart rebuilding organization would have done.
Yea, you can’t count 2 games as “giving him a chance”. Is him playing winger the best fit in the short term while trying to win this year? Possibly but that just reflects the total disconnect with what they are saying vs what they are doing because they need to find out if he can play center for the long term even if playing winger this year gives them a short term boost.
With the Flyers only being 1 point out of last place it’s scary how far they could fall if he wasn’t doing a good job. But seriously everyone is in the mix, it’s november and the overtime point system is keeping everything close as the NHL prefers. What should be scary is that the Flyers are one of the worst offensive teams in the league even with that offensive 6 goal outburst the other day. Without that they might be the worst and as mentioned, without Vlader playing way way way beyond anything he’s ever done before so far this season, there’d be hope for a top 3 draft pick.
God forbid they actually try to do a rebuild and draft a center like Bedard or a top defenseman but it’s easier to bullshit about rebuilding than doing what CHI did.
But hey, i hear the Flyers are going to trade half the team for Quinn Hughes because apparently the Flyers have so many great picks and players Vancouver would be fools to say no.
Flyers reportedly interested in acquiring Quinn Hughes from Canucks
The Flyers will try every way but the right way to build a team and interestingly enough they keep calling their way “the right way” even as it continues to fail.
You play with the team you’re given. Considering what a crappy lineup he has, he’s actually done an amazing job having them be competitive. During the 2023/24 season in Vancouver he had some higher-end offensive guys, they were +56 in goal differential, they finished 7th in GF and 5th in GA, again, you coach they guys your given. As for Zegras, he’s already been shifted to the wing, with 289 games under his belt and this being his sixth season, it’s clear he’s not a good fit at center, long term.
Or maybe Tocchet is given to much credit for reaching the playoffs 2 times in 9 years. If you want to give him credit for the good year, then he deserves credit for the bad year that followed.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/flyers-hire-rick-tocchet-analyzing-190007180.html
As recently as March of this year, Tocchet admitted to trying to “re-program” Elias Pettersson, even after the star Swede scored 102 points under his watch just over a year prior.
“You’ve got to play north hockey. Regroup hockey, taking the puck back, won’t win in the NHL,” Tocchet had said. “I think sometimes Petey likes to regroup, slow the game down. I’m not sure how many years ago doing that might’ve worked, but now you have to play a more north style, and we’re just trying to re-program his brain when it comes to that, and he’s buying into that. That’s why I think he’s getting better at that, but there is another level for us and our team.”
Pettersson, of course, scored only 45 points last season, marking easily the worst full season of his NHL career from an offensive standpoint.
And, speaking of Pettersson, another mark against Tocchet is the widely-reported rift between the former and J.T. Miller, which culminated in Miller’s trade to the New York Rangers on Jan. 31.
It was a problem when Boudreau arrived in Vancouver, and it was a problem when Tocchet arrived in Vancouver.
But it only boiled over under Tocchet’s watch, and the Canucks failed to address it before first setting half their season on fire.Sounds a bit like what he is trying to do with Michkov. The point is he doesn’t care if a guy scores a 100 points if it’s not his way.
Seravalli critiqued the Flyers’ urge to take steps forward in 2025–26. A glass-half-empty way of looking at it is that they’ve returned to murky-middle status: not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough to pick high in the draft.
Seravalli describes them as, “A team that’s not capable of getting to the bottom, that has not necessarily orchestrated this order correctly.” He continued, “Your only job this year, instead of trying to be competitive, should be to gain one of those five to six franchise-changing players that exist in the 2026 NHL Draft.”He went on to say that the Flyers’ season will be a failure should they fail to make that draft-day splash. That starts with their offseason. “They got a little ahead of their skis in terms of trying to inch this forward in a year where you didn’t need to. It’s an unforced error.”
No matter what you may think of Seravalli, this is the first time in 3.5 years someone on Comcast’s payroll has had the guts to say something like this.
The rebuild is just starting, don’t buy into their verbal diarrhea about it being over and them hoping the worst is behind them. They secretly want to finish at the bottom again, they just won’t outwardly say it because they still want fans to believe. Exciting times…Lets Go Flyers!!!
Or they are just incompetent ex-flyers over their heads feeding at the trough as long as they can. Say what you want about CHI but they did an actual rebuild instead of a rebrand, were honest with their fans, and now have one of the best young exciting centers in the league, lots of young possibly elite talent on rookie contracts and a clean cap sheet to market and build around. The Flyers have a 32 yr old coming off of multiple back surgeries in the middle of a very bad 8 year contract and multiple other 8 year contracts. Their crown jewel prospect at center is a projected 3rd line energy player who was overdrafted but he is a 200 ft player who lives in the weight room. Go Flyers?
The Flyers have done everything possible to avoid being in position to draft a Bedard type player. Hell it took Torts 3 years to realize that he couldn’t yell and berate the team into the playoffs and once he did, he flipped the team the middle finger and rode off into the sunset. He literally said he doesn’t want to coach a team in the position the Flyers are in which lends credence that either they are incompetent or delusional.
It’s been 3 drafts and the foundational pieces should be there and there are none. There is nobody in the system that is going to ride in and save the day at the top of the lineup for the next 10-15 years. They actively avoided drafting a potential franchise dman. Michkov and Martone may end up being good/great complementary pieces but that #1 center and #1 dman are giant black holes for the next GM to worry about.
Is Bonk even still alive? Him and Risto seem to be in witness protection.
Also Zegras and Drysdale both finish their 2nd contracts this year, they will both be playing for new 8 year contracts.
https://onpattison.com/news/2025/nov/16/fourth-and-long-flyers-bottom-line-may-need-a-makeover/
Now, with the Flyers believing they can make it into the playoff field, there’s more of an onus of a need to provide more from the fourth line.
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All told, being 2-3-1 in those six games isn’t awful, but what is a noticeable trend from both is concerning – the Flyers look slow and gassed by the third game. They shouldn’t be. They are the fourth-youngest team in the NHL, so they should have reserve fuel that most other teams do not.And yet, they don’t.
fans starting to wake a little.
https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7439
It’s even more obvious in the year over year numbers. Lowest attendance in 30 years, except for the lockout year. I think they bought the New Error in Orange until Torts lit a match, threw it in the fuel tank and walked away last year. Without all the Torts drama the focus has shifted back to the on ice product that doesn’t have a Bedard type franchise center to promote/build around and the best young player they have, is hardly playing. But they did get bigger to prepare for that deep run.
Considering how the Flyers are one of the few teams that like to build from the bottom up it is absurd how unproductive they are. That’s multiple flyers coaches/gms who think ND deserves ice time.
Rebuild over without drafting or acquiring a single franchise cornerstone. Flyers roster building at it’s finest.
But this has been a trend for a little while. Since the start of November, the Orange and Black have a 46.31% expected goal share at 5-on-5. That’s the seventh-worst mark in the league, and their 40.00% goal share further outlines the direness of the situation.
The Flyers have done well to survive, sitting at 3–3–2 this month, but they’ve only won a single game in regulation or overtime. When shootouts are out of the equation, this team hasn’t been great recently—the kind of stretch that indicates a long losing streak could be on the horizon.
I still find it hilarious that the Flyers preferred Jett ride the pine in the NHL than playing top minutes in the OHL. Also, Andrae is “earning” his minutes. He more than earned his spot in training camp, especially compared to Jett, yet Jett is the golden boy who could do no wrong. Will their decision making ever improve?
I just looked up Anaheim’s lineup to see where their guys were…interesting.
Chris Kreider — Leo Carlsson — Troy Terry
Cutter Gauthier — Mason McTavish — Beckett Sennecke
Nikita Nesterenko — Ryan Poehling — Alex Killorn
Ryan Strome — Mikael Granlund — Frank Vatrano
Jackson LaCombe — Drew Helleson
Olen Zellweger — Jacob Trouba
Pavel Mintyukov — Ian Moore
Lukas Dostal
There’s a lot of “bold” there!!
*Helleson was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Josh Manson to Colorado.
*Gauthier was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Jamie Drysdale to the Flyers.
*Poehling was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Trevor Zegras to the Flyers.How many are top 5 picks? Top 3? Do the Flyers have a young franchise center on a rookie contract drafted at #2 overall? How many of any of those do the Fleyrs have?
These teams are not the same. Brick by brick my ass. They are a bad team who had little cap space or assets. They rebranded a bad team with several veteran 8 year contracts that hired a fossil abusive coach off his couch so that he could yell at the players and media for 3 years to distract fans. Then proceeded to give out more 8 year contracts. There’s bad with a plan and then there’s the Flyers.
If they could’ve afforded a Kevin Hayes or another Ristolainen in FA, they would’ve. Good news, this offseason they can afford to hand out more 8 year contracts to vets. Brick by brick.
The Blues are another team getting bad defensive results. Teams like that seem to find their checking game and do a nice job stifling the Flyers overly cooperative offensive game. The Flyers need two points here.
Ersson has been just as bad this year as he was last year so limiting shots against will be their only hope. Vlader is holding this team together with duct tape. If Vlader reverts to his career average the Flyers will be in position to draft a potential franchise player. As it is they are only 2 points from being last in the division.
That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.
There’s a balance between short and long term thinking. I suppose the Flyers should be deliberately tanking for a better draft pick next year since they won’t win the cup this year.
They should’ve been selling off anything that didn’t fit a realistic and intentional rebuilding plan. They basically rebranded a poorly constructed capped out team with no assets as rebuilding when in reality they were trying as hard as they could to make the playoffs every year. It’s like saying the guy with $10 in his bank account decided to be responsible and not to buy the fancy new car rather than admitting he didn’t have the money for the down payment but if he did he’d buy the car.
It doesn’t matter what i think they should do. I thought, if they were going to keep Jett up because they were “concerned” with his development, that they would’ve tried to actually develop him at the NHL level rather than bury him on the bench before sending him down as soon as the media found a new shiny object. I think Andrae deserves to be playing full time in the NHL over some other players on the roster who are worse but larger. If you don’t want the kid despite his skill, trade him for whatever you can get. Pretending he has a future with this FO and coaching staff is just insulting. ND, what more can i say, the coaching staff loves this guy.
As long as the Flyers are in a playoff position nobody cares about the long term which i think sums up the front office and most fans alike. The Stanley Cup is just mentioned as a marketing tool rather than something to build towards.
The Flyers foundation is built on quicksand. They are just outside a playoff position but also only 2 points out of last place.
But yea the Flyers are worried about Risto and winning an extra game in December 2025 vs having someone like a young franchise center Connor Bedard who is setting records for the Blackhawks or a projected franchise dman like Buium playing 20 min/night for the Wild.
There’s players you build the team around for the next 10 years and there’s the Flyers way where you go down with the ship never thinking past the current season. The Flyers are just so much smarter than the NHL that everyone should be copying them instead of pretty much ignoring them. They think they are still a destination team rather than a knockoff of the Buffalo Sabres.
As far as Risto and Bonk are concerned it’s all academic. Are we sure they are ever going to play again or what Bonk’s injury even is?
It sure would be nice to have a Connor Bedard player on the Flyers. Hell, even a Cutter Gauthier might be the best forward on the Flyers if he had actually been treated as well as Jett has been and on a rookie contract and not on an 8 year expensive contract the next GM will have to deal with moving.
