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the gold standard. one of the best run organizations in sports. one of the winningest franchises in the NHL. dedicated ownership who wants to win. a management team who is on the right path to contention. a new, successful, era of orange.
also knowing hockey doesn’t equate to one being successful at running a team or to be successful as a coach.
Was not last year the most embarrassing season of Flyers hockey in the most embarrassingly way possible? Especially for a team who thought they could make the playoffs?
The Flyers intentionally playing shorthanded on defense at the beginning of last year. Refusing to call up players. Who does that besides the flyers?
The embarrassing Jett fiasco at the beginning of the season where he ended up in the press box for 2 weeks to save face so they could say they gave him the 10 game trial. He wasn’t ready and he didn’t play well enough in training camp to make the Flyers give him the 10 games.
The record # of line changes in the first month of the season that became an internet meme. How was that competent coaching?
We also now find out that Torts pretty much left the training camp coaching to his assistants (that was just in a preseason article).
The big club had very little input/interaction with the Phantoms at Torts direction.and ending up with ..
York getting suspended by the team because Torts crossed the line. If Torts crossed the line, why was the player suspended? Amateur hour by a front office trying to figure out how to protect themselves.
Still not enough to get Torts fired so Torts had to take it up a notch.https://x.com/scottcwheeler/status/1904719643173937221
Tortorella: “This falls on me. I’m not really interested in learning how to coach in this type of season, where we’re at right now.”
“I really hope that this is the bottom,” Briere said. “This is rock bottom for us today, and this is the turnaround.”
Only after that were DB and Jonesy forced to act to save themselves. Up to that point they were partners in crime.
They would prefer we get collective amnesia regarding how the new era of orange has been going. Actually reaching lows lower than Fletcher 2 years after he was fired.
I would love for someone to explain to me how the Flyers weren’t a house on fire last year with 2 out of the 3 arsonists still in charge going forward? or we can pretend it was all a dream sequence and never talk of it again.
Anyway, having never met the man, just my opinion from a birds eye view.
I wish you would have started your ignorant tirade with this statement so I could have disregarded your opinion sooner.
You know absolutely nothing.
Please stop the ad hominem attacks. They add nothing to the conversation and just drives people away from a site that is trying to grow. User engagement, not user beratement. Otherwise there is reddit where you will be rewarded.
To recap:
A Flyers promotional video was reposted and discussed.
Bill Meltzer posted that Jones is smarter than he appears in the video because the flyers need to pander to a certain segment of fans. He knows this because he knows Jones.
My take is that if you don’t want people to think you are a fool, don’t willingly let a big corp portray you as a fool. Otherwise, count your money and let people think you are in idiot.What did you think of the video? Did you agree with the original take of the video? What do you think of Jones/Flyers and why?
Nesbitt absolutely has some skill. As for the tiny snippets of conversation they show, they selectively choose those because a segment of the fanbase worries more about that than if someone can play overall. In any given year, I probably have a dozen 10-15 minute hockey conversations with Keith Jones. He knows the game thoroughly.
It’s that’s the narrative they choose to put out there and even encourage then how can you critical of fans who respond to it and think “Flyers hockey” (the narrative) is bullshit in 2025?
In your own writings I know there certain things you can’t say or personal views you can’t express or positions you have to take based on your employer. Yet you have managed those restrictions, during your long career, with grace.
DB and Jones play to the lowest common denominator, intentionally. There’s no subtly, no nuance, no hidden truth. Whether he knows hockey or not is largely irrelevant because he wasn’t hired to do anything of any substance on the hockey side.
Jones is a career color commentator with no aspirations or known ability to be in a front office (not even a night class from Wharton). Comcast backed up a brinks truck full of money and said all you need to do is stand in front of the camera, like you have for the last 20 years, and say “aw shucks” in a friendly manner with a smile on your face. Jones told them he’d be their Huckleberry.
He’s doing what he’s paid to do and that is to make it more appealing for the lowest common denominator part to with their money. Nothing more, nothing less for this entertainment division of Comcast.
If he wants to be judged by more than the circumstances of his hiring and the narrative he chooses to project, then he needs to change it.
Anyway, having never met the man, just my opinion from a birds eye view.
Please get someone to moderate this board or this site is going to die regardless of the content. I’m not talking about the hockey discussions but i just went through 2 pages of Expedia articles to get to a hockey article and i’m not going to keep doing that.
We had a spam infiltration late last night. It will be dealt with. If you’re volunteering to be a mod, I accept LOL.
I appreciate those who volunteer their spare time to mod but I doubt I would be good at it.
Glad you were able to get it fixed.
Thanks.
Please get someone to moderate this board or this site is going to die regardless of the content. I’m not talking about the hockey discussions but i just went through 2 pages of Expedia articles to get to a hockey article and i’m not going to keep doing that.
so funny danny wanted to keep torts. speaks volumes to me.
would really love to know who the main driver was in hiring him as I believe 100% it was not fletcher. that farce of a consulting firm making the recommendation is priceless.
still shocked torts has not said 1 word over what went down. guess still hopes for 1 more job doesnt want to seal his fate lashing out.
This is going to set off some people who despite all evidence would rather wash out their eyes with acid than believe what they show them but : Bobby Clarke
Senior executives Bobby Clarke and Paul Holmgren reportedly preferred Tortorella against other candidates such as Barry Trotz, Bruce Cassidy, and Jim Montgomery. Bill Meltzer described that the two former Flyers had a “background role in the ultimate decision” for the hire. Other reports suggested that Fletcher wasn’t entirely set on the hire. Although the level of influence from all parties won’t become entirely clear in the near future, the organization now has its fiery head coach looking to restore the success of a fallen franchise.
Flyers Open Training Camp: The rope is gone
Day One of the Flyers first training camp under Rick Tocchet had one big difference from past Philly camps or the current camps in Ottawa and other cities. Tocchet and his staff introduced systems concepts right off the bat. There was no bag skate (coaches prefer “conditioning skate”) to be seen: no suicides (line-to-line wind sprints), no endless laps and, most strikingly, no rope down the middle of the ice.“We’re actually getting into some systems, and playing hockey. It’s different than using a rope and skating laps, that’s for sure,” team captain Sean Couturier said.
“It goes with me everywhere,” Tortorella said with a smile. “I’ve been fired a few times; I always ask for the rope back when I’m out the door.”
It doesn’t hurt that under the new CBA rules (taking effect next year) the rope test is illegal but now Torts can tug at his rope all he wants in his house. Torts coaching methods where he was abusive to players (which crossed the line) should’ve been made illegal long ago but the Flyers love that stuff.
It’s a refreshing take from Coots regarding the new coaches and makes you wonder why the Flyers kept doubling down on Torts until Torts eventually fired himself. Working on getting everyone on the same page with the new system and prioritizing the AHL team being on the same page as the big club sounds like such a basic thing but for the Flyers it’s never even occurred to them until now.
I’m not saying the Flyers will be any better this year, there’s still a huge talent and development gap to make up (plus the hype around Tocchet’s record is more aspirational than factual), but it sounds like there’s actually adults in the room this year rather than a petulant child who airs grievances and whose main coaching tool is to play harder, not smarter.
The best thing to happen to this team in 3 years is Torts quitting on the Flyers because DB/Jonesy were prepared to ride it all the way down.
Damn. Really pushing that Flyers PR narrative.
Back in 2023-24, the Flyers were in playoff position as the trade deadline neared. However, Briere did not feel the organizational rebuild was far enough along (either at the NHL level or system wide) to avoid being sellers. Consequently, the team dealt starting defenseman Sean Walker to Colorado for a first-round pick. Last year, Briere traded longtime team leader Scott Laughton to obtain a first-round pick.
DB tried to resign Walker but couldn’t. It was trade him or lose him for nothing at the end of the year, 1 year into a supposed rebuild. Despite Jones telling the players plainly that this was not a rebuild, letting a veteran walk for nothing at the end of the year might’ve been a bridge to far for the fans with blinders on especially if the Flyers ended up missing the playoffs. A rebuilding team also would’ve traded Laughton at that time but they needed another year of his leadership which resulted in an even worse team. Thank god the Leafs GM was an idiot this past tdl. Just when you think there are no more Chuck Fletchers, one more pops up. Laughton was a total no show for the Leafs playoff run. 4 pts in 20 games in the regular season with 2 assists TOTAL in the playoffs and being demoted to the 4th line. How badly do you think the Leafs want a do over? He is great in “the room” though.
>However, Briere does not think the team is currently ready to be buyers, either. He didn’t say so explicitly, but the plan seems to more or less be to evaluate the team under its new coaching staff, and then proceed. The GM will rely on internal player improvements at various positions and see where things are for the longer-term outline. A skeptic would call it a “stand pat” year. However, keep in mind that all but one offseason acquisition/ signing is on an expiring contract this season.
Hmm.. Danny’s boss thinks differently and isn’t afraid to tell the world. Just last week.
x.com/BroadStBull/status/1965797173922283577
CEO Dan Hilferty: “Now we’re adding and you only add when you think you’re in the playoff conversation.”
He said fans are buying in, the Flyers had 90 percent of the fans renew their season tickets.So who do you believe Dan “man of the people” Hilferty or DB?
The reality is they’ve been trying to make the playoffs the last 2 years despite being under the restrictions of all the 8 year contracts Fletcher handed out and then DB handed out and Ellis’s LTIR. The rebuild nonsense was just to lower expectations so the fans would keep coming to the games while they wait for the long term contracts to expire.
Flyers: Five Takeaways From Briere Preseason Press Conference
Carter Hart – It’s not a great look for the team when a guy who hasn’t played in a year and a half says they won’t touch you with a 10 foot pole.
Risto – Finally an update. Approx 2 months into the season which in Flyers medical speak means he may never play again.
Foerster – Ramping up in training camp
Bonk – Good news. Another mystery injury. That always ends well.Luchanko scrimmages, Bonk aka Happy Gilmore and more from Flyers rookie camp
“He has been dealing with a couple of things,” Flyers director of player development Riley Armstrong said. “It’s good to see him back out on the ice there. … He showed some pretty good bursts of speed and some hands. He definitely belongs. I would love to see him push for a spot out of camp.
Sounds like he’s over the groin injury and the fans are being prepped for him to make the team this year.
I appreciate the article but do we really need to have 2 separate threads for the same topic.
As i posted in the other thread.
The fact that they don’t have to retain salary in the trade, for a goalie who most likely was never going to play for the Flyers again, is great but let’s not forget the history behind it.
The pivot: By March 2024, the Flyers were surprisingly holding a playoff spot. Brière seemed to change his tune, telling The Philadelphia Inquirer with a grin, “We’re inside the playoff bubble. Like all of our fans, we’re really excited about that. Getting to the playoffs—that’s the goal from now on“. (The “Flyers are rebuilding, they really are!” crowd have collective amnesia on this one).
In a bid, not for the future, for that year to make the freaking playoffs when the Flyers started fading, Briere surrenders to Fedotov’s demands. Fedotov arrives in time to save the Flyers season but posts an .811 sv% in 3 appearances as the Flyers miss the playoffs and is rewarded with an above market contract.
https://x.com/ADiMarco25/status/1782745531619369429
I know the Fedotov AAV is higher than expected, but the contract was agreed upon prior to the player coming over from Russia. I’m told that the contract had to be a certain number to get Fedotov to come to North America.
Some people would call it extortion. The Flyers call it spending corporate sugar daddy’s money but you know, as DB said, they were all in for the playoffs. or were they all in for the rebuild? lol.
Fedotov got his bag and the Flyers got … to give him his money. The contract widely questioned in the media for a goalie who flopped when given the opportunity.
A panic move by a rookie front office that was sweating making the playoffs with little actual experience behind them.
The Flyers traded Ivan Fedotov to Columbus on Sunday. There are two distinct benefits to the deal apart from receiving a draft pick in return.
Flyers Trade Fedotov: What’s In It For Philly
The fact that they don’t have to retain salary in the trade, for a goalie who most likely was never going to play for the Flyers again, is great but let’s not forget the history behind it.
The pivot: By March 2024, the Flyers were surprisingly holding a playoff spot. Brière seemed to change his tune, telling The Philadelphia Inquirer with a grin, “We’re inside the playoff bubble. Like all of our fans, we’re really excited about that. Getting to the playoffs—that’s the goal from now on“. (The “Flyers are rebuilding, they really are!” crowd have collective amnesia on this one).
In a bid, not for the future, for that year to make the freaking playoffs when the Flyers started fading, Briere surrenders to Fedotov’s demands. Fedotov arrives in time to save the Flyers season but posts an .811 sv% in 3 appearances as the Flyers miss the playoffs and is rewarded with an above market contract.
https://x.com/ADiMarco25/status/1782745531619369429
I know the Fedotov AAV is higher than expected, but the contract was agreed upon prior to the player coming over from Russia. I’m told that the contract had to be a certain number to get Fedotov to come to North America.
Some people would call it extortion. The Flyers call it spending corporate sugar daddy’s money but you know, as DB said, they were all in for the playoffs. or were they all in for the rebuild? lol.
Fedotov got his bag and the Flyers got … to give him his money. The contract widely questioned in the media for a goalie who flopped when given the opportunity.
A panic move by a rookie front office that was sweating making the playoffs with little actual experience behind them
1) The AHL is significantly better than the OHL. In fact, it’s not close.
2) You underrate Luchanko. He can fly. He’s a well above-average playmaker. (Goalscorer no, distributor yes). He’s quite advanced defensively. He has a very high hockey IQ. He was just stuck on a horrid Guelph team with very little around him. Not a great spot for a playmaking center. And he DID make teammates better but it was “silk purse/ sow’s ear” territory.
Regardless of your personal feelings about the player, do you feel he’s progressed since last year when he was an absolute embarrassment on the NHL ice? His junior stat sheet doesn’t show it so, as you have watched the player (although not for a few months because of this exceedingly long groin injury), is it your opinion that he’s made large strides in his game?
Last year, 100% he needed to go back to the OHL and they didn’t do it. The Front Office who celebrated his making the team and patted themselves on the back for being the smartest people in the room on draft day, are 2/3rds still here. If he still shouldn’t make the team this year, do you have any confidence that this time, they would do right by the kid (and by extension admit how bad they were at evaluating him last year)?
Kaprisov Turning down 16 million per. My guess is once he saw tocchet was hired he probably wants to come to Philly to play for him and with MM.
I have to say it’s extremely rare for a player to turn down what is essentially a max contract all so he can control his own future. Bravo to him.
Best guess is Chicago but that’s still just a rumor. There’s no way that the Flyers are a destination team for anyone who has a choice.
The Flyers just spent the last several years being the NHL version of Siberia (which explains why DB bribing russians or massively overpaying was the best way for him to acquire players).
Tortorella and his archaic abusive style were not what many players with options willingly walks into. Just ask York.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/latest-news/tortorella-gone-but-many-flyers-problems-remain
From here, it means missing the playoffs, not having a true No. 1 or No. 2 center, watching too many young players regress and again searching for the dependable goalie.
Other than that, the Flyers resemble the franchise’s 1973-74 and 1974-75 Stanley Cup champs.
That’s not a slap at the current team. They try hard. They rarely get outworked. But they just don’t have the talent to compete.DB continues to sell the poop sandwich he and Jones personally built as Wagyu beef. Thank god for that “only team in the NHL to have it” Stanley Cup culture. Oh yea, that world class PR team he has behind him to spin his mistakes into PR gold doesn’t hurt.
Or as Dan Hilferty sees it, the Flyers are in playoff contention and are adding players for the playoffs.
