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Bad groin for over 2 months? Being cautious. Up next surgery.
Where is rizzo? Love saywer Boulton. I
Ellis was day-to-day for months. Gold standard
Jett out for rookie camp. They expected him ready for rookie camp and have now moved the goalposts to training camp.
While it does sound like he’s close, it also wouldn’t surprise me if they announced surgery next week because that’s how the Flyers medical team rolls.
Rotowire Apr 29, 2022
Ellis (lower body) is expected to be healthy by the start of next season, per interim head coach Mike Yeo, Sam Carchidi of Philly Hockey Now reports. Yeo added that Ellis may need to get surgery in the offseason, but the procedure would evidently be relatively minor.What is tocchet going to change? He uses all the flyers talking points. They still don’t realize you need talent to win. Not try hard types.
This franchise makes it hard to root/support them. Much more entertaining watching them continue to flounder as they don’t seem to learn anything
I 100% agree that it’s the high end talent at the cornerstone positions that they need and still have not addressed. Until that happens nothing changes.
However, from a coaching perspective, and maybe it’s just words, for the first time in a long time I think the Flyers might not treat the AHL as a redheaded step child. Baby steps. Other teams may be running but the Flyers still need to learn to walk.
Q: Why do you think it’s so important for the Phantoms to play a similar style to the NHL club run by Rick Tocchet?
A: Yeah, I just think it takes the thinking out for the players. And that’s a lot of what Tocc and myself were talking about. It’s like 80-20, it doesn’t have to be 100% the same. It’s more like when they come up to play and they can jump into the game, and we don’t have to talk to them about D-zone coverage, because that’s an intricate thing, right? … And when you have two different systems that are very different, it takes a lot, and you’re going to miss reads, especially in the NHL, just because you’re not used to playing the structure.Once again, the org and their representative Torts did not give 2 poops about the AHL team or developing players so I will take whatever positive i can from that quote because I’m not used to a Flyers coach making sense.
Flyer Rule
I can’t believe Dan said the Flyers are in the playoff conversation. Then again, DB said that over a year ago and people ignored it because fans want to believe. Believe that this new era of orange is more than a slogan. After the meltdown last year people swear that DB is rebuilding and was never concerned about the playoffs.
https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/flyers-nhl-trade-deadline-danny-briere-sean-walker-20240308.html
“We’re inside the playoff bubble,” Brière said last Friday, grinning, and perhaps a little incredulous. “Like all of our fans, we’re really excited about that. Hopefully, we can keep it rolling. Getting to the playoffs — that’s the goal from now on.”
As we enter the NEW new era of orange people will once again hit their heads against the wall to convince themselves that the Flyers haven’t been trying to make the playoffs the last 2 years and are indeed rebuilding.
Where to begin .. Hilf “man of the people” erty.
The biggest thing Flyers players anticipate for the start of camp: a couple of brisk practices before the preseason opener in Elmont. They are also glad to see the end of the “rope test.
Another flyers gold standard fallen by the wayside and apparently now illegal. I can’t figure out why more teams don’t emulate the Flyers and their training methods. Go figure.
“It goes with me everywhere,” Tortorella said with a smile. “I’ve been fired a few times; I always ask for the rope back when I’m out the door.”
The rope can join Torts in retirement where Torts can tug on it all he wants while remembering the good old days.
The coach himself typically delegated most of the preseason games to divide bench coaching duties. That was not lost on his players. They’d just scrimmaged several times in a couple days. Their head coach, meanwhile, had the assistants coach all the preseason games until near the end.
He even let the assistants coach a few times for him during games, an NHL first while he sat in the press box with DB eatting popcorn. How much work did Torts actually do besides press conferences, setting the lineup and yelling at players?
The gold standard franchise didn’t see a single red flag with Torts and still wanted to bring him back for this year, that should scare everyone. He did as little as possible for as long as possible while getting paid as much as possible and complaining about everything.
They are truly the gold standard team everyone should be emulating.
I always felt it was Vigneault who hated Ghost and wanted him gone. As was said, he wasn’t used correctly by AV, and playing on two bad legs didn’t help. Ironic AV was gone a short time later. I hated the trade then, I hate it even more now.
This is what I’ve always disliked about the “playing through injuries” mentality. If you play through injury but play poorly or if you get injured again because you didn’t take time to recover properly, that can end up defining you as a player and becomes your reputation.
Since Ghost left the Flyers he’s averaged 76+ games a year and roughly 50 points/yr and almost 20 min/game. His nearly 200 points over the last 4 years is more than any defenseman on the Flyers in that time period and they had to give ARI a 2nd and a 7th to take him off their hands.
That world class medical staff, coaching, and front office decision making the Flyers are known for. The Flyers way.
Fletcher didn’t get fired for being bad at his job, he got fired because the fans stopped coming to the games.
They never seem to hit on those later round skill players. Sometimes I wonder if it is just an organizational failure that they cant seem to nurture these types of players, getting the most out of the skill they do have instead of trying to make them in to something they are not.
Wonder no more. It is an organizational failure. Torts tenure alone, he dgaf about the AHL team, the system they played or anything else. They were happy with Ian LaPerriere doing his own thing as long as he didn’t bother the triumvirate. That’s on top of as you said, trying to make players into something they are not. To watch the Flyers is to know this.
Let’s hope Tocchet and company change this, at least they talk a good game about working in tandem.
Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
Exactly. How many teams damaged themselves trying to force the next Erik Karlsson into their lineup?
Remember when the Flyers tried to draft the next Zdeno Chara by drafting 6’6″ Sam Morin, despite everyone during the draft projecting him to be an 8 year project because he was so raw? That would mean he’d be on at least his 3rd contract before he might pay off. Can’t teach size though. Good times.
Makar is the same size and weight as Buium and anchored a cup team only a few years ago. I know everyone wants to forget that hockey existed before FLA won the last 2 cups but it still took him a decade and all-star team around him.
You want the whole package? Plus height and elite talent? Draft top 3 (Ekblad 1st overall), otherwise you pick the BPA. Flyers sure as hell don’t ever want to pick top 3 and there’s nothing to suggest that Buium can’t anchor a cup winning team.
Zeev Buium drafted #2 in the Athletic 2024 NHL redraft. Luchanko drafted at 30. Berglund 31
Zeev listed as 8th best player/prospect under 23 (and as mentioned above 2nd best from his draft). Our lord and savior at center Jett? Better luck next year.
I know Bill said that the Flyers don’t care about justifying the Jett pick but evidence over the last year says otherwise. From DB’s statement that Zeev was to small to draft because they had Andrae (hahahahahaha) to the circus which resulted in Jett and the Flyers getting embarrassed during the early part of the season last year.
How much of this will they pin on Torts? Who knows? We do know that torts was absolute crap at evaluating players and coaching in general at this point in his career and he pretty much got whoever he wanted.
I think once again the bar will be low for Jett to make the team, partially because of how they have built him up even though he didn’t have a great year in juniors. It’s not really fair to the kid but the Flyers are not a competent franchise. He does everything the right (Flyers) way and they want to market that. Justify the reach. Especially, imo, with Zeev debuting this year.
As other posters have mentioned the right choice, if had been available, is probably the AHL. Since it’s not, you can reliably assume they will make the choice that is in their own self interest in the short term.
Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
But…
1) It was a very blueliner heavy 1st round last year (whereas 2025 was center-heavy up top)
2) He’s still viewed as a good future NHL
3) The scouts aren’t always right, and the pundits aren’t always wrongBut if he was 6’4″ (instead of 6′) do they think he’d be a #1 dman? Recency bias i guess with FLA winning.
2 year sample size for each in college.
Quinn in Mich .. 32 games, 5 goals, 28 assists and 37 games 5 goals, 24 assists
Zeev in Denver .. 42 games, 11 goals, 39 assists and 41 games, 13 goals, 35 assists.
Makar in UMass .. 32 games, 5 goals, 16 assists and 41 games, 16 goals, 33 assists.I know it’s not your personal opinion but I would like to know what the scouts see that i do not? We shall see over the next few seasons who is right but it’s not like anyone is going to call out unnamed scouts if they are wrong.
I would love to know where the scouts, who have concerns, would put him in a redraft.
A potential taker emerged: the Arizona Coyotes. The Coyotes offered ONLY to take Gostisbehere. In return, the Flyers had to accept “future considerations” (AKA no player or pick) and also had to include two Draft picks. Ultimately, the Coyotes “compromised” on 2022 second-round and seventh-round picks as the sweeteners.
The optics of the trade looked terrible. The Flyers had to deal an NHL roster offensive defenseman and two assets for nothing in return. Yes, cap space is an asset. Even so, the Flyers went into the deal knowing how bad it looked. They hoped Ellis would stay healthy. If he did, the team could easily withstand accepting the one-sided Gostisbehere deal.
The whole Ghost situation was pure incompetence from start to finish and nearly ended Ghost’s career. The team misused him on the ice and flogged him in the media daily to the point that he had no trade value. The best thing for his career was to get out of Philadelphia. The height of the “bias for action” era where the Flyers mistakenly thought that getting rid of Ghost and acquiring oft injured Ellis, Risto, and Yandle were the missing ingredients. There’s been entire books written on how bad the Risto trade/extension was but nobody got the Ghost treatment in the dumbassery in the media by the Flyers until Cutter Gauthier.
Who can forget the Flyers refusing to bench Yandle for 70+ games, despite him not even being a beer league defenseman at the time, because they promised to let him break the iron man streak. It was like wheeling grandpa out there. It was an embarrassing time to be a fan, even more so than now because in Yandle, they put the player before the rest of the team and the fans. Yet, Yandle was still shocked when, after he broke the streak, they benched him. In the end the Flyers made nobody happy and they were happy to do it.
Chuck never wondered why the oft injured defenseman Ryan Ellis was available for slightly more than a bag of pucks. Yea, it was more than that but the trade capital was way way way less than a healthy top pairing defenseman costs.
It’s hard to believe that members of the fanbase zealously defended Chuck’s boneheaded moves once upon a time. He usually lost both ends of trades and contracts but at least he always got his man. Usually the wrong man for 2x the term and no movement clause but he got him.
Also, regarding Price being a prototype, the answer is most likely no because, as you mentioned, his contract is not front loaded. It would have to be next offeseason and it would take much better sweeteners.
Looks like Lappy headed to the Icelanders as a scout
He joins Rocky, who after he did such a masterful job coaching up the Flyers PP, was named the Islanders AHL head coach. It’s a crazy world we live in.
Our PP has been pathetic the last few years, so why not try Bonk as the bumper? I know we don’t have a John LeClair, Mike Knuble or Wayne Simmonds type of player on the team, but I would like to see somebody cause a little mayhem in front of the net on the PP.
Well he’s still on the payroll and the PP advisors didn’t give the Flyers much bang for their buck, so have him suit up. How much worse can it get?
I saw this and, although it’s not hockey, it made me think of the Flyers because it’s the same damn defense of the team the flyers use.
Predicted to have one of the worst if not the worst defense in the league this year but man, they have the championship culture that nobody else has.
That’s when you know you are rock bottom.
I think Couturier is better than you do at this stage. I don’t expect him to be the .9 PPG player he was in his prime, but he can still get to .7-.75 PPG and help a team win. That’s actually a good 2C, if you’re thinking in those terms. Zegras will be the 1C offensively at least. These forward lines look OK to me. I don’t see any worrisome holes there. Could a couple spots be upgraded? That’s what Luchanko and Martone are for in a year. It’s the team D that needs to get way better. There are worrisome holes on the blueline.
He hasn’t come close to that post back surgery but maybe getting away from Torts will rejuvenate him. I doubt it though. You are putting alot of faith in Zegras just needing a change of scenery. I hope you are correct.
