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There is no such move the Leafs or Oilers can make to have the team, which can beat
Florida in 7 game series.I disagree. Leafs won 3 games and you can’t take that away from them. They’re as close as anybody. Definitely needs improvement but that team is closer than anybody so far.
I bet Edmonton trades McDavid and signs Bennett.
Because that’s apparently what the Leafs need to do.
So were the other star players.
Nylander being among the worst of them. So trade Nylander? No. Why? Because at least they’re still in their prime years. Tavares is finished. He’s not worth a penny more than 2 million a year. Take it or enjoy Buffalo.
yeah, I don’t think so. he’d be moved already is that was the case. Skalapy has want him on the Leafs team for ever.
He was injured most of last year and CBJ was fine without him. They can afford to move him. They also kind of have to move him because he only has 1 year left on his deal. They have enough young C, they need more young wingers. Jenner is not only exactly what the Leafs need to replace Tavares, he’s also exactly what the Leafs always overpay for at the deadline. Make a deal now, pay less and lock up what will be a solid future 2C.
If it takes picks or prospects, Jarnkrok, Kampf, McMann, Robertson, whatever it is except maybe Cowan. Get the deal done.
Same with McBain. Or Lawson Crouse. Instead of sitting there saying “oh, I wish we had Sam Bennett” go out and find the next one before he becomes unaffordable. Sam Bennett was acquired for Emil Heineman and a 2nd round pick. There’s no reason why the Leafs couldn’t have made that deal before Florida. But they were too stupid. Time to stop being stupid and find the next one.
man, people are hoping other players from the GTA are going to be taken a discount to play for the Leafs. gee. what naivety
Seems to be what everybody is relying on Tavares to do. But instead of spending that 5-6 million on an old, overrated, slow, defensively garbage Tavares, they should be looking for every other low risk, high reward home town discount they can find from reliable two-way players.
Changed my mind on engaging but no delete post button so this is the post.
Good decision. Significantly decreases your odds of looking like a fool.
Marner 13.16m not happening
R Smith is washed
JT still a PPG player – discount 👍
CBJ not trading Jenner (I wish)
Overpayment for McBain
Underpayment for Tanev
Blueger is fine
Comtois no for political reasons
Patches is a better option
Burns is older than Monty
T Myers 🤨Marner could still sign, it’s not a guarantee one way or the other that he won’t.
If Smith is washed, Tavares is washed. Point per game against Florida? Oh right, disappeared in 6 out of 7 games. He’s useless defensively too. At least Smith can play two-way hockey and isn’t a liability. Has a ring too.
Jenner has been on the trade block for years. They have enough young guys that can replace him. He’s a pending UFA anyway so CBJ would move him if the Leafs tried hard enough. Jarnkrok or Kampf + McMann or Robertson.
McBain is worth every penny. 200-300 hits, big body, can win FOs and depth scoring. Young, home town guy. 10 times better than wasting that money on Tavares.
Tanev either wants to play for a home town discount or he can go take a hike. He’s not that good. He’s only worth it if he’s cheap. I’d take Perry over him for the same money every day of the week.
Nothing wrong with Comtois. Perfectly good depth player.
Pacioretty is always injured. Definitely need him to have a platoon buddy.
Burns is huge, can play RD or RW. Only a 1 year deal so it doesn’t matter if he’s old. Just matters if he can hammer pucks on net from the point and be steady.
Tyler Myers and Blueger for Rielly. Another big body on the blueline who can shoot pucks in hard and low.
R.Smith is to old. 34 and he cannot stay healthy. PERIOD!
and has hands of stone. He got what 11 points last year.
I’d rather keep Lorentz who will be cheaper and better IMOAnd how old is Tavares? Right…34.
He scored 40 points and played 79 games last year. What fucking stats are you looking at?
The difference is that Smith is a two-way winger who brings plenty of playoff experience. And most importantly, he’s an actual winner. Cheaper than Tavares too, on a shorter deal. Still a hometown guy too.
On no planet or universe is Lorentz better than Smith. Just because a player is cheaper doesn’t mean you’re going to win a Cup. Otherwise, the Columbus Blue Jackets would be Cup champs by now.
I think JT will get a 4 or 5 year extension @ 5 or 5.5M cap hit
I agree with Knies.I think the Leafs can’t win a Cup with a player that bad defensively, that old at that price. He was useless in 6 out of 7 games against Florida. Why does anybody think that just because he’ll make 50% less money that he’ll some how become 50% more effective. He wasn’t even scoring on the PP, the one area of his game that should still be sharp as a tack. Looks like people are lying about him being as sharp as a tack. Sounds familiar.
Knies should be on the lowest possible cap hit over 3 years. The longer the deal, the higher the cap hit because the Leafs would be buying UFA years. The Leafs are better off avoiding the same mistake they made with previous players and keeping his deal to 3 years. When Domi’s contract expires, you give Knies that extra cap space and make him the 10-11 million AAV player when he’s earned it. By then, Matthews will be gone too anyways.
Assuming we resign all 3 RFA FW
Current rosterKnies Matthews Nylander
McMann Tavares Robertson
Domi Laughton Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Cowan/ReavesWe need more toughness in bottom 6
Lorentz is meh
Kant must go!
Holmberg/Robertson/Jarnkrok trade baitOptions: Tanev, Jeannot, Kuraly, Frederic, Armia, Bjugstad, Cousins ?
Knies @ 7×3 | Matthews | Marner @ 13.16×8
R. Smith @ 4×3 | Jenner @ 3.75×1 | Nylander
Domi | McBain @ 3.5×3 | B. Tanev @ 1.75×2 (or Corey Perry)
Laughton | Blueger @ 1.8×1 | Lorentz @ 1×1
Comtois @ 850 (or Pacioretty @ 1 if he doesn’t retire)OEL | Tanev
McCabe | T. Myers
Burns @ 2×1* | Carlo
BenoitWoll | Stolarz
one who seem to now be screaming from the roof top that the Leafs should pay him 16.5 M because of taxes.
Said no one, ever, except the voices of the strawman you are arguing with in your own head.
On the Oilers, if I’m the Leafs, I send out feelers to them regarding acquiring one of our goaltenders. Make it a steep price, like Bouchard
Yes, then sign Bouchard to 900K, 8 year deal.
Then throw in McDavid for Reaves’ game worn mitts.
That remains to be said. If Marner wants $13.5M, it’s way too much.
Basic math says that anything less than 16.5 AAV for Marner would actually be a home town discount.
It’s very easy to do. Try it yourself.
https://puckpedia.com/tax-calculator
Marner would take home the same amount in Vegas at 12 AAV as he would in Toronto at 16.5 AAV.
So if he’s asking for the same as Matthews, that actually is a hometown discount. The problem is, absolutely nobody seems to be sharp enough to realize that he’s losing a lot of money by staying in Toronto at that price.
You can’t win with this playoff no show at that pay grade. 9 years of this! You wanna make it 10?
More career playoff points than Matthews, Nylander, Rielly and Tavares. But somehow, the idiots in the media (whom you are parroting) label him the one “no show”. Makes no sense.
Took Yzerman 14 years to win a Cup. Took Ovechkin 12 years, and he’s only advanced past the 2nd round once. Yes, it’s frustrating but it takes time to continue adding pieces to the team to be able to win a Cup in a stacked division.
It’s what you get if you don’t do something about the Cap with this player. He has not won us Jack Sh!t since he’s come to Toronto. No leadership skills, no grit. But he wants more than McDavid. I call Bullsh!t on this mini mercenary.
So trade Matthews and Nylander too by your logic?
Leafs need a banger and a player that can shoot the puck from the point. Rielly isn’t it, but Ekblad is.
Bennett, Marchand and Ekblad are not leaving Florida for Toronto. Ekblad had 3 goals last year. Rielly had 7. Both had 4 playoff goals each. But Ekblad only has 8 career playoff goals. Rielly has 15. Imagine being so stupid as to trade away Rielly, only to sign a guy for the same (or more) money who gives you even less offense, with a history of concussions and who will demand more money than the Leafs can afford to give him. The Leafs would be better off with Brent Burns than Ekblad at 30% of the cost without the long term commitment.
Tavares is also a huge liability that needs to be addressed.
Probably the only accurate statement you’ve made all night.
However, they could grab Aaron Ekblad as a UFA. If Rielly was moved for picks or prospects, that cash could go straight to Ekblad and solidify the right side of the defense. Leafs need to dispose of both Marner and Rielly. Replace with picks to restock the cupboard. Brock Boeser, and Nikolaj Ehlers could be had for the price of Marner’s contract. You solidify the top 6 and the defense is stronger. Is it enough to win the Atlantic? Maybe. Some time soon, the drain of talent from Florida will finally take them out. Leafs have 2 years to get it done, before the younger teams like Ottawa, Montreal, and Detroit come knocking.
Why the fuck would Ekblad want to play for the Leafs? Please, explain yourself. UFAs aren’t a box of nails you buy at Home Depot. They aren’t just sitting there, waiting for you to be the first one to show up when the doors open.
Do you honestly believe Ekblad has had so many blows to the head that he forgets how much better off he is in Florida?
Additionally, even if he actually was that stupid, why should the Leafs pay him a ridiculous amount of money for 3 goals and 33 points from age 30-37…?
I’m sorry but you’re absolutely fucked if you think Marner needs to be “disposed of” but then want to replace him with soft as baby shit Ehlers and -25 Boeser.
You make absolutely no sense.
Well, if you can convince Rielly to waive and work a deal with Vancouver to take him (preferably zero retention) and get some assets in return, then I nominate you as the next executive assistant to the assistant general manager.
The Leafs don’t need to get gold in return for Rielly. They just need a little extra cap space and to fill gaps in the line-up. I don’t think it requires anything special to get him to waive. They just need to sit down with him and tell him he’s not part of the future plans of the team. At that point, he starts picking places he would like to land in.
Blueger has a $1.8m caphit for next season and then UFA after that.
Myers has a $3m caphit until 2027 and then UFA, and he’s 35 right now, BTW.
Which is perfect for the Leafs. Blueger gives the Leafs a Cup winning 4C who can play the PK and with speed.
Myers gives the Leafs another big body, RHD, who can PK and defend. Maybe gives the Leafs another PP option with his point shot.
So, you would be taking on $4.8m in cap and shooting Rielly’s $7.5m caphit into the Sun… which runs until 2030 by the way, so I hope the Canucks really really want him with no retention.
As I said earlier, they’ll probably end up losing Hughes one way or another by 2030. He doesn’t want to stay in Vancouver. Rielly is at least a hometown guy.
You would be gaining $2.2m in free cap. That’s a nice little piece of change that gets you another bottom sixer or #3-#5 dman.
And that extra cap space would go to either Dumoulin or Brent Burns (hometown discount). Dumoulin gives the Leafs another steady Cup winner with a bit of size and defensive awareness.
At the moment, the Leafs have 3 LHD in OEL, McCabe and Benoit. None of them are #1 D, that’s for certain. However, the Leafs lack 3 RHD.
A big source of the Leafs defensive issues is that they had OEL playing on the right side and it significantly lowered his ability to move the puck effectively.
OEL / Tanev
McCabe / Myers
Dumoulin or Burns / Carlo
BenoitThe problem I see here is, Myers is definitely not a top pair guy. And that still leaves you without a true #1 dman, which Rielly was at least cosplaying as on the Leafs. Blueger is basically a plug and is a noshow in the playoffs, so I guess he’s a little cheaper than Kampf.
None of this solves the root issue on defense – the Leafs don’t have a rock or warhorse. They don’t have a true #1. Rielly is trying and failing. Shooting him into the Sun, but taking back almost $5m in cap on a 35 year old dman and Kampf-lite doesn’t feel like a big upgrade, although you get free of Rielly’s cap from years 2027 onward.
This gives the Leafs the ability to deploy 3 sets of evenly LHD/RHD pairs that can each play 20 min each. Ideally, it would be nice if the Leafs had a guy like Seth Jones (Leafs were too stupid to acquire him) or some other minute munching top pair D. But unfortunately, those guys are A) not available and B) not within the budget.
On further reflection, I think it might be better if Rielly gets a coke habit.
There’s plenty of fentanyl in Vancouver and Seattle, he can do whatever he wants as soon as he’s off the Leafs cap.
At this point you’d almost have to give Rielly away. Even if he agreed to waive (he won’t), the return is going to be scrubs and low picks unless you retain and fuck retaining on a contract like that. Send him to Utah for a 7th and a box of timbits.
Sure, the ownership could run him out of town and basically “override” his NMC by driving him out, but then you damage the team’s reputation as a destination for other players like free agents or trade targets. That’s far from ideal.
Put him in rehab, bury the caphit.
Kerrigan his kneecap and put him on Robidas Island.
Redeploy him as a 2nd pair, optimize for a reduced and overpaid role, and live with it.
That’s pretty much your options.
Disagree.
Rielly has negative value to the Leafs but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value to somebody else. Remember, Karlsson got traded. Rielly can be traded.
He will waive for Vancouver or Seattle. He doesn’t have a cocaine problem, that’s just insane bullshit that’s been said about Nylander too. He is what he’s always been; good skater who can’t play defense.
The Leafs can get a bottom pairing D and a 4th line C for him. Vancouver would probably welcome him as they expect to trade Hughes as he has no interest in staying long term and wants to play with his brothers.
Rielly to VAN for Blueger and T. Myers.
You’ve earned nothing to warrant the salaries that you opine for. Either shut-up and take a hometown discount, or get the hell out.
Basic math says that anything less than 16.5 AAV for Marner would actually be a home town discount.
It’s very easy to do. Try it yourself.
https://puckpedia.com/tax-calculator
Marner would take home the same amount in Vegas at 12 AAV as he would in Toronto at 16.5 AAV.
So if he’s asking for the same as Matthews, that actually is a hometown discount. The problem is, absolutely nobody seems to be sharp enough to realize that he’s losing a lot of money by staying in Toronto at that price.
