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– Agree with JM and Bill 100% on vladar. As well on Zegras. No need to extend at this point.
– Why on earth would Matthews want to come to Philly when he has pick of where to go? Why would Trocheck? No top end players are coming to Philly. They have next to nothing to offer.– Tearing it down to the studs is the most successful path. None is guaranteed. Seems you make excuses for the flyers not to. The flyers way is 100% guaranteed to fail. How much proof do they need to see this is true. None is guaranteed.
– Danny has zero balls to make a big move. He is a scared dog to make a bold trade. They are so far away from legit contention.
– Look at Vladars numbers month by month. Has the clock struck midnight? October looks like an outlier when you look at his career. Let this season play out and the 1st half of next season before you extend. If you extend.
– Will TK and Sanheim ever come to their senses and ask out?
– Way too many players are still too comfortable losing. Look at who has been here for a while.
– No need to buy out ex selke at this point or anytime soon seeing the flyers are nowhere near contention.
extension incoming.
risto has trade value. unfortunately, the flyers overate and overvalue what he brings so he wll not be moved
At some point, the Flyers will need a defenseman who brings what Ristolainen offers. However — and not through Risto’s fault — that time is not now.
at some point, that could be 5 years from now.
risto is a solid bottom pair guy. that’s it. that has value 100%. playing hm in the top 4 is not what a cup contending team will do on everyday basis. we both know he will be ext if he comes back and plays the rest of the flyers games. flyers overrate hm and all their other players. flyers are no better or no worse without Risto.
where is his replacement hunter Mac? “jonesy” hyped him up for zero reason and he will never ever be an nhl regular.
There is zero doubt this is exactly what the wonder twins will do. They take the road od least resistance. It will be for 5 years – 5.5-6 million per.
God forbid they wait as to me there is zero rush. They jumped the gun with Dvorak so expect the same. See how the rest of the year plays out then first half of next year.
Wonder what a Dvorak and vladar package would have looked like return wise. From Edmonton especially. both are core players for the flyers though…
extension incoming.
risto has trade value. unfortunately, the flyers overate and overvalue what he brings so he wll not be moved
Sam has never been all that good at every stop. He is what he is, not very good. If they bring him back, which nothing surprises me, then another epic failure.
Don’t be shocked if Stolarz is acquired. Makes some sense on many levels. Splits with vladar or 60/40. Has shown to be an above average backup or split starter. Keeps your $ invested in a goalie somewhat down between the 2. Flyers have no one in the system close to ready. probably wont cost much at all.
Is taking a guy 48th overall (shanye) and his ceiling is GH is that getting good value? How many players who don’t produce in college actually go on to produce at the NHL level? Flyers really have the market cornered on potential 3rd/4th line players if they pan out.
Cates for Stramel. See if it happens.
danny is a putz and in over his head. that’s been clear for a while. He let torts walk all over him and now tocchet. they seem to not have much respect for their boss.
Pronger been awful chatty about the flyers it seems recently. Could he be angling for a job? If there is one organization who loves the big name, no matter the role it is the flyers.
Since it is Pronger many flyers fans would buy into what he is selling. More so then the wonder twins.
I see it this way. The elite teams that have won the cup over the past 2 decades have mostly the same things in common. They draft the elite talent first, especially at C, 1D and goalie, and then build the team around those elite parts through signings and development of the lesser draft picks.
The Flyers strategy SEEMS to be draft the lesser parts (with a FEW exceptions) and try to sign the elite talent through FA. This will result in overpaying for your talent and missing out on those cost controlled years. Yes they have Michkov and hopefully Martone on the (hopefully elite) level, but they are wings, so right there you are behind the 8 ball.
They keep talking about drafting “Flyers type players”. But Flyers type players haven’t won a cup in 50 years. Calling it CULTURE is a pablum. Every team that wins has culture. Winning breeds culture, not the other way around. Not without the talent to get it done.
The result is what we have now and will continue to have for the foreseeable future. A hard working team that lacks elite talent and will never be able to beat a hard working team that HAS elite talent. Culture and hard work is not some exclusively Flyers trait, though they would have you believe it is.
So lets recap, they lack elite talent, especially at the important positions, they have no elite talent in the pipeline despite having MANY high draft picks over the past few years. And are getting a less realistic chance to draft that elite talent as they rise “slightly” into the lower end of bubble territory.
The FA agent market is already thin and getting thinner. So what is the plan? Throw a Max deal at McDavid? Yeah sure…..
Trade some of the wings for a young center who could fill the 1C role? I guess.
They seem to think they can win with depth over talent. I guess they need to find some of the depth, since they lack in that department as well…..
Its very disheartening.
Right from Dannys mouth:
“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”
Anyone who thinks this is or was a rebuild is your typical uneducated flyers fan.
Couple questions for Bill:
1. If the flyers continue to fade and miss the playoffs, do you see Tocchet being fired?
2. If they miss the playoffs do you see TK or Sanheim asking for a trade?
3. Do the flyers give any though to trading Zegras at the deadline?go read tweets or the like from flyers beat in september. They raved how good MM looked. Not much if anything about out of shape and the like. Evevn the coach praised him. no the tables have turned. like cutter MM is just taking the high road not saying anything
What have the flyers done to help him? Have they assigned a personal trainer? A dietichen? anything to get back on track.
seeing the cutter situation and now all the MM bullshit. Wonder what Martone is thinking? No worries player banging down the door to play for the flyers and tocchet.
Why wouldn’t you include this season? Yes, let’s try to analyze a player’s current value by not including the season he’s currently having. That’s hilarious. Tippett is a top 4 winger for the overwhelming majority of teams in this league and he brings what the Flyers need more of which is size and goal scoring. The guys the Flyers need to move on from are the small guys who’ll never crack 18-20 goals in a season. With Martone over Brink, the Flyers will gain 30 pounds of muscle and not give up anything production wise in even his first year. Brick by brick. Hahaha!
Because the season isn’t over. Use data that is already known to be true having full seasons completed. Nah why use that.
Then a competent GM would pounce on that and get a haul back one would think no?
He Is not a core player and is someone I would move in a heartbeat seeing where the flyers are at as well as were they are heading. Though you think they are close to contention.
where are you coming up with 27? where are the 3 teams with 3 wingers with 27 goals coming from?
how can zegras improve on his faceoffs?
94 goals in 288 games over the last 4 seasons. 94 divided by 288 is .326 multiplied by 82 is 27. Simple math. Which teams have three wingers who have put pucks in the net at that pace? I’ll give you a head start: Dallas does. They have Robertson, Rantanen and Hintz. Who else does?
The word around in the summer was Zegras needs to cheat better. Sometimes wingers need to jump in and grab pucks to cement a faceoff win. Flyers don’t stand out at that.
Not including this season.
More accurate numbers would be the number of goals he has scored the last 3 years which is 75/ 232 – number of games he has played. That gives you .3232.
Then take the average number of games he has played over the 3 seasons which is 77.33.
77.33 * .3232= 25 goals per year.
Either way use whatever numbers you want. Love pace. Am I to assume Tippet is an elite level winger?
what 3 wingers do the flyers have that have averaged 27 goals (your number) a year over that time frame?
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You get better in faceoffs by taking them, no? Cement head tocchet does not see him as a center and will not play as such. That is pretty evident at least this season.
no one with the exception of possibly MM is part of the solution.
Nonsensical.
let’s assume they are contending in 5 years. who will still be here that is part of the core “solution”
tippet is underwhelming. solid depth piece. he is what he is and no more untapped potential. he has 28, 27, and 20 goals each the last 3 seasons. 19 this year.
zegras was back on the wing last night. the coach has no long-term vision, he is dope. he will end up a winger on this team
Again you fail to appreciate averaging 27 goals per 82 over 4 seasons puts Tippett in limited company. Please list the teams that have three wingers that can all match or top that number.
Zegras needs to get better at the dot. FWIW, Shane Wright has a comparably bad faceoff percentage.
where are you coming up with 27? where are the 3 teams with 3 wingers with 27 goals coming from?
how can zegras improve on his faceoffs?
