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Blah blah blah pointless drivel -Cush
More garbage…
Overpaying ANY player for continuing to disappear in critical games is super problematic and the result of a mistake or multiple mistakes being made.
Nylander disappeared in critical games and is a disaster defensively. But your solution is to let the better player walk for nothing and keep the inferior player. Sounds like a plan excellently made for more 1st round exists.
Not taking advantage of an opportunity to try and correct one or more of those mistake because you made the same ones in the past is just plain stupid as fuck.
How dare you use a term like “stupid as fuck”. That’s highly offensive and not on the list of permissible PC vocabulary. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Leafs have an opportunity to try and start the repairs to the damage from these mistakes with Marner and JT.
The “mistake” was Tavares.
They should have started earlier with others (they never should have put themselves in that position either) but that’s in the past and you can’t change it now.
Yes, you could change it now. You could sign the better player and trade Nylander. Since you insist you can’t have both (which is wrong), they could retain Marner and trade Nylander. At least, in that scenario, they don’t lose a 100 point player FOR FUCKING NOTHING and can get assets in return for Nylander, which at this point, might be the biggest yield they could ever get for him.
I hope they will do the difficult but right thing but fear they will do the easy and wrong one.
Again.
They will do what they also do; the dumbest possible thing. And you will love it.
I can’t wait until this core is broken up and the endless, pointless, and exhausting Marner vs Nylander argument is gone for good.
Can’t wait for the team to get significantly worse?
The Nylander vs. Marner debate occurs because the Leafs created this mess when they signed Tavares.
If they let Tavares walk and trade Rielly, they can change the core without losing their best players for nothing.
Marner genuinely wants to stay in Toronto. If he didn’t, he’d already be in Carolina, making more money and still in the playoffs. He chose to stay.
Everybody says his family controls his life but they’re going to control him to go away from where they all live? Doesn’t add up.
Marner wants what he deserves, as every single player does even when they lie that they don’t, and he wants to stay with the Leafs.
Matthews is allowed to be overpaid and disappear. Nylander is allowed to be overpaid and disappear. Tavares was allowed to be overpaid disappear as long as he takes a “discount” on his next deal.
But Marner? He’s a weak, soft, crying, greedy bitch.
Overwhelming evidence shows most Leafs fans and media need a lobotomy including Rick Vaive who pretends he’s some kind of Cup winning playoff legend when he talks shit about Marner. – UG
I’m not plugged in to the TO media, so I don’t read many direct Marner quotes. So, as far as his desires go, I have no idea. I’m speculating and I think that’s all any of us can do.
I’ve never personally insulted Marner or any of the Core. I’ve leveled some valid criticisms at them, but I’m not invested enough to have strong personal feelings about any of these people. I’d like them to win and try harder (be harder to play against?), but I’m not jumping on the abuse bandwagon. When he’s old, retired, his kids grown, and he’s back home in TO(?), how will he be remembered? What regrets (if any) will he have when he looks in the mirror as a 72-year old man? That’s up to him to decide. If he resigns and stays, I will support him and root for him. If he leaves, then I will forget about him 10 minutes later. Well, maybe a couple days later – we’ll have to discuss it to death first. LOL.
And, like I said in the other blog thread, many folks are discounting just how fucking deep and good the Panthers are.
I’m not plugged in to the TO media, so I don’t read many direct Marner quotes. So, as far as his desires go, I have no idea. I’m speculating and I think that’s all any of us can do.
I’ve never personally insulted Marner or any of the Core. I’ve leveled some valid criticisms at them, but I’m not invested enough to have strong personal feelings about any of these people. I’d like them to win and try harder (be harder to play against?), but I’m not jumping on the abuse bandwagon. When he’s old, retired, his kids grown, and he’s back home in TO(?), how will he be remembered? What regrets (if any) will he have when he looks in the mirror as a 72-year old man? That’s up to him to decide. If he resigns and stays, I will support him and root for him. If he leaves, then I will forget about him 10 minutes later. Well, maybe a couple days later – we’ll have to discuss it to death first. LOL.
And, like I said in the other blog thread, many folks are discounting just how fucking deep and good the Panthers are.
The Leafs media is a combination of idiots and vultures. They feed off this for views and clicks because that’s all they have left to grasp at. No different than garbage corporate legacy media that basically only the boomers watch. They also own the team so perhaps they think they can bully their way into making Marner do what they think he should do in attempt to win the PR battle so if he does walk away, the team can save itself the embarrassment by trying to make him the bad guy. There are former players like Rick Vaive, who didn’t win shit in Toronto as a Leaf, talking shit in the media. Fans piling on because they are in pain and not smart enough to think for themselves.
The Leafs won the division, won a round (against the hated but tough Senators) and took the defending Champs and seemingly the best team in the NHL to Game 7. Marner directly helped win 2 out of the 3 games they won, one of which was in an elimination game. This year was an obvious improvement. And these morons are acting like they were a draft lottery team and the whole thing needs to be blown to hell.
Fire Shanahan, bring back Mark Hunter.
So does Shanny go to the Islanders?.. I think yes as I don’t think the The Leafs will renew his contract.
I hope the Leafs don’t lose Lambert as this coach is engaged behind the bench when the Leafs go on the power kill.The Leafs media is a combination of idiots and vultures. They feed off this for views and clicks because that’s all they have left to grasp at. No different than garbage corporate legacy media that basically only the boomers watch. They also own the team so perhaps they think they can bully their way into making Marner do what they think he should do in attempt to win the PR battle so if he does walk away, the team can save itself the embarrassment by trying to make him the bad guy. There are former players like Rick Vaive, who didn’t win shit in Toronto as a Leaf, talking shit in the media. Fans piling on because they are in pain and not smart enough to think for themselves.
The Leafs won the division, won a round (against the hated but tough Senators) and took the defending Champs and seemingly the best team in the NHL to Game 7. Marner directly helped win 2 out of the 3 games they won, one of which was in an elimination game. This year was an obvious improvement. And these morons are acting like they were a draft lottery team and the whole thing needs to be blown to hell.
Fire Shanahan, bring back Mark Hunter. – UG
I see progress in the right areas under Tree’s tenure so far. It’s far from perfect, but I see better moves happening than I did under Dubas.
The Leafs hadn’t made it past the first round in forever, then they slayed the Lightning and exorcised that demon. Now the fans reasonably expect the second round to be the minimum bar to avoid pitchforks and torches.
The Leafs just took the defending champs to seven games and even had the champs on the ropes in game 3 and couldn’t FINISH HIM. Frustrating? Fuck yes. Is it progress? Yes.
I’ll say it again. Florida is a fucking buzzsaw, a steamroller, a murderer’s row of depth. Pick your fucking poison with those guys. They match up well against any team in the league. I don’t think Carolina, Dallas, or Edmonton can beat them. I think Dallas has the best shot. I think Edmonton *could* if they had a goalie, but won’t happen with the parade of fail they have between the pipes.
As far as continuing to improve the Leafs, I think pain is coming first. Losing Marner for nothing but cap space is gonna hurt, but let’s spend some cap space.
Outside of Marner, the list of 2025 pending UFAs is a lot of dinosaurs and nobodies. Boeser is probably the best option that isn’t a geezer. Then Ehlers, Bennett is not coming to TO, Tanev might but he’s a member of AARP. MacTavish would be great, but you’re gonna overpay to pry him away from Anaheim.
Looking at it some more, the free agency route looks depressing. It might be better to look at trades.
Tampa is probably shopping the rights to Isaac Howard, FWIW.
Actually, the more I think about this, the worse it seems. If the Leafs lose Marner, then it’s going to be a step backwards. 2026 looks a lot better for UFAs. So, maybe a big step back next year before a leap forward the year after?
Yup. Pray for McJesus. LOL.
Marner will get more than 11.5, and he should at this point. the cap is 88, if it hits 100, then 11.5 is the same as 13.06
Fans are going to adjust to higher cap and contract expectations… but fans are generally slow to move the needle on stuff like that
~SenstrolltwoI think that’s the point that everyone is trying to make. Rantanen JUST signed his extension for $12M, so that’s the benchmark. Everybody knew the cap was going up next year, and now there is even more uncertainty regarding the cap rising due to economic factors. So, if anything, Marner should have even less leverage as we might be back in a slow rising cap situation for the next few years.
Marner earning even the same as Rantanen let alone more is absolute folly. There is zero justification for it.
It’s time for Tree to grow a set with both Marner and JT and give them the Stephen Stamkos treatment: here’s the number, take it or leave it. We’ll see how badly they want to be Leafs.
Marner genuinely wants to stay in Toronto.
~UGI’m not so sure that is the case anymore after he’s gotten the brunt of the hatred for the Leafs’ failure this year (whether deserved or not).
I do believe Marner at one point did want to stay in Toronto, but he also wanted to be the highest paid player in the league, or at least get a $2M+ raise. He simply can’t have both. Rantanen is the comparable, and he’s absolutely smoked Marner in playoff production so far this year. Pay Marner accordingly. While it would suck to lose a player like Marner, it would suck 10x more to be paying him $14Mx8 with a full NMC and get the typical disappearing act. We need to shore up the bottom 6, and giving Marner well over half our current remaining cap would be insane.
It’s not just this year. Rantanen is one of the best playoff performers statistically in NHL history. It’s every year with this guy.
The Leafs media is a combination of idiots and vultures. They feed off this for views and clicks because that’s all they have left to grasp at. No different than garbage corporate legacy media that basically only the boomers watch. They also own the team so perhaps they think they can bully their way into making Marner do what they think he should do in attempt to win the PR battle so if he does walk away, the team can save itself the embarrassment by trying to make him the bad guy. There are former players like Rick Vaive, who didn’t win shit in Toronto as a Leaf, talking shit in the media. Fans piling on because they are in pain and not smart enough to think for themselves.
The Leafs won the division, won a round (against the hated but tough Senators) and took the defending Champs and seemingly the best team in the NHL to Game 7. Marner directly helped win 2 out of the 3 games they won, one of which was in an elimination game. This year was an obvious improvement. And these morons are acting like they were a draft lottery team and the whole thing needs to be blown to hell.
Fire Shanahan, bring back Mark Hunter.
UGOOOOHHH 9/10 years they made it to game 7 in the second round for the first time…oooooohhh and their stars players were nowhere to be found in game 7.
The stars of this team cant get it together, this was probably the best version of them. Time for a change.
You simply cannot have $40m locked up in 3 forwards who are very similar. You cant win that way. Its been proven.
Time for change.
Unfortunately, Management screwed this team by trading away all their 1st rounder until 2028…so they cant even do a quick one year retool and get a nice prospect.
They are now stuck with having to try to get into the playoffs….so, let marner walk, move out morgan if you can, If JT will take $5m, sign him for 3 years. Build out the bottom 6, get a winger to play the top line and another quality D.MArk hunter? LOL, What a joke.
Marner earning even the same as Rantanen let alone more is absolute folly. There is zero justification for it. – 50 Mission Cap
But what about Marner deserving MORE than Rantanen? Some folks seem to think he absolutely must be paid whatever it takes to keep him……yes I’m being silly by asking you this.
For what it’s worth I agree with you that Rantanen is the bar and Marner is beneath that bar but I’m not sure Marner or his agent see it that way.
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