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No 1st round picks until 2028
Outside of Cowan, no real high prospects (maybe danforth?)
The player who leads in point most year in reg season, but doesnt show up when it counts in games 5-7 is probably walking for free.
Captain is pretty soft, often injured during the playoffs and doesnt seem to hate to lose.
A bunch of ok FA’s who are gonna want to be overpaid this offseason.Leafs look………………….like the leafs.
According to the media, Tre had been shopping Marner since last off season, no one wanted him without an extension…marner wasnt gonna sign one.
I agree Tre isnt that great at making trades, his past deadline moves were huge overpayments…mainly the laughton one.Thing is, trying to trade Marner only after his no-trade clause kicked in was a waste of time. I don’t blame Tre for it, it’s all on Shanahan, but once he was stuck with him, I guess he did overpay on the short term trades to make sure he’d have one last chance at winning with the “core 4”.
I did like the Carlo trade though, that’s a useful player moving forward regardless of the cost.
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Also, just a PSA about WordPress and plugins: make sure you are regularly updating it, plugins especially. WP Security, WordFence, etc. are good add-ons, as is CloudFlare for botnet protection.
Have you looked at this? Been around for a long time.
I have no idea what that is and I’m very unfamiliar with WordPress but if you have suggestions to improve the site, there’s a thread in the “locker room” section where you can share it.
I’m not involved in how the site works (which is a good thing), I only contribute as a poster/blogger 🙂
Thing is, trying to trade Marner only after his no-trade clause kicked in was a waste of time. I don’t blame Tre for it, it’s all on Shanahan, but once he was stuck with him, I guess he did overpay on the short term trades to make sure he’d have one last chance at winning with the “core 4”.
I did like the Carlo trade though, that’s a useful player moving forward regardless of the cost.
~ScabehI didn’t really mind either one, to be honest. They got 50% retention on Laughton, got him for two years and they gave up a late 1st – which I know does have value. You get, typically, about a 60% hit rate on late first round picks. There’s a 20% and 15% hit rate on 4th and 6th round picks. Granted the quality of the player and their ceilings are typically quite different. The best 6th round pick in recent memory was Connor Brown. Holmberg was down in that 6th/7th round area, too – but if contrast that with Easton Cowan, taken 27th, you’re getting a very different calibre of player.
Frankly I didn’t think – and still don’t think – that Laughton was a problem in the playoffs. Saddling him and Lorentz with Jarnkrok, who was bloody awful, was a problem. Taking your less talented players and handicapping them sure isn’t going to help. That said, and being honest, if you’re paying a 1st rounder, you want a guy who is contributing more than Laughton did. Hopefully the second year at $1.5m makes that payment worth it. Frankly, given how badly he struggled, you wonder if putting McMann down on the 4th line with Laughton and Lorentz wouldn’t have created a better cycle and potentially generated some offense. Lord knows McMann wasn’t doing anything anywhere else.
The Carlo trade, similar to you, I like. You get him for 2 more years, he’s retained to a shade under $3.5m and you’re giving up a pretty solid prospect in Minten, a 1st and a 4th. It seems like fair value.
We’re just gonna have to learn to live with Rielly, warts and all. He has all the control if he refuses to waive. Given that, I’d change his deployment and make him an overpaid 2nd pairing or 3rd pairing guy. I know this will sound counter-intuitive, but maybe try him at killing penalties in camp/preseason. If he’s a “puck mover” who isn’t adding value to the power play, then maybe see if he can move the puck out of the zone on the PK where he’s not expected to join a rush or carry the puck.
Whatever the case, the Rielly situation needs to change and it’s a pipe dream to hope he gets traded. He won’t waive. Nobody wants him. You’d have to retain and practically give him away even if he agreed to waive. It would basically be a salary dump. Not gonna happen, so change his deployment.
That said, and being honest, if you’re paying a 1st rounder, you want a guy who is contributing more than Laughton did. Hopefully the second year at $1.5m makes that payment worth it.
– PunksieLaughton didn’t do a single thing that every other 4th line guy couldn’t do. You can pick those guys up for $2M – $3M on July 16th. It was a terrible overpay.
Laughton didn’t do a single thing that every other 4th line guy couldn’t do. You can pick those guys up for $2M – $3M on July 16th. It was a terrible overpay.
~Wedgie
I’m not judging the trade until this upcoming season is done. Laughton has long been touted as a leader who leads by example and off the ice. Tortorella has nothing but good things to say about him, and he’s not typically the complimenting type. Whether he never found his footing here or his role or his linemates, I don’t know – but I’d like to give him another year before that 1st rounder is considered a waste of a pick. At this point if we’re spending draft picks, I like the idea of paying to acquire term and retention.
For two months of O’Reilly and Acciari they gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gaudette and Abramov; for eleven games of Foligno they gave up a 1st and 2 4ths.
I’m not saying that makes the Laughton look any better right now – a bad trade is a bad trade, even if there are worse ones – but I am saying that Laughton still has time here to make that trade worthwhile.
No 1st round picks until 2028
Outside of Cowan, no real high prospects (maybe danforth?)
The player who leads in point most year in reg season, but doesnt show up when it counts in games 5-7 is probably walking for free.
Captain is pretty soft, often injured during the playoffs and doesnt seem to hate to lose.
A bunch of ok FA’s who are gonna want to be overpaid this offseason.Leafs look………………….like the leafs.
~FakepartofmeYet they took the reigning Cup champs to game 7. They laid an egg, but it’s not like Florida didn’t just dummy Tampa and Carolina taking both out in 5.
By all accounts the team’s top scorer, who most here are adamant absolutely sucks in the playoffs, is leaving – and sure it’s for nothing (and the guy responsible has already been shown the door), but what if Matthews played with some grit or tenacity on his line? What if Tavares or Nylander had some toughness or battle on their line? Options will present themselves here and if Treliving wants to make the team different, this is the chance to do just that.
A 1st round pick today isn’t likely to make an impact on this roster until 2029. Knies did in 3 years, but he really is an exception.
I don’t like losing Marner for nothing, but this is the cost of going for it. I’d rather they pushed their chips in rather than sit on the sidelines and collect prospects.
For two months of O’Reilly and Acciari they gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gaudette and Abramov; for eleven games of Foligno they gave up a 1st and 2 4ths.
I’m not saying that makes the Laughton look any better right now – a bad trade is a bad trade, even if there are worse ones – but I am saying that Laughton still has time here to make that trade worthwhile. – MonkeyPuck
Hard not to agree with you on giving Laughton more time and also hard not to cringe looking back at what was given up for the pure rentals in O’Reilly and Acciari and Foligno.
At least Tre got term on his trades where we moved his 1st round pick.
For the most part, I think Tre has done quite well considering what was left after Dubas’ departure. He’s completely retooled the back end, and the tendies are looking nice! Now he’s got a little bit of breathing room to play with the forwards with Shanny gone and likely having more leash.
The Carlo trade was a beauty, I can see how the Laughton trade has an odor to it, but he’s still got another year to turn it around.
Can we please stop talking about trading Rielly?!?! Mark my words, he will play out 100% of his contract in a Leaf uniform. He’s a terrible player, makes WAY too much money for what he brings, and has full trade protection. “He needs a change of scenery, someone will take a chance on him.” Bullshit! Nobody is touching that guy unless the Leafs retain 50% and throw in a sweetener or take a crap contract back.
Please, God, Tre, prove me wrong.
Laughton is a pylon. And the Leafs paid for the career high of 18 goals, 43 points price for him.
Rielly can and will be traded if the Leafs management actually put their mind to it.
Rielly not being traded isn’t because he can’t be moved, it’s because the Leafs have decided they believe he’s worth keeping.
Laughton is a pylon.
yes he is cause you like to pylon poop on him and others Leafs players and is cheaper than Kampf. 👍🏾👊🏾
For the most part, I think Tre has done quite well considering what was left after Dubas’ departure. He’s completely retooled the back end, and the tendies are looking nice! Now he’s got a little bit of breathing room to play with the forwards with Shanny gone and likely having more leash.
The Carlo trade was a beauty, I can see how the Laughton trade has an odor to it, but he’s still got another year to turn it around.
Can we please stop talking about trading Rielly?!?! Mark my words, he will play out 100% of his contract in a Leaf uniform. He’s a terrible player, makes WAY too much money for what he brings, and has full trade protection. “He needs a change of scenery, someone will take a chance on him.” Bullshit! Nobody is touching that guy unless the Leafs retain 50% and throw in a sweetener or take a crap contract back.
Please, God, Tre, prove me wrong. – Whipper
Agreed on Tre re-tooling the back end nicely and the situation between the pipes being good to great currently (despite the HB blog from Ek noting Toronto as a team who is interested in Demko if Van retains. Why would the Leafs have any interest in that? The only way would be a bigger deal where goalies are included IMO).
BIG TIME AGREE on Rielly. I’m almost as tired of reading about how Rielly would agree to be moved just because it’s closer to where he is from as I am of reading how terrible JT is and that he shouldn’t be brought back regardless. Pretending like JT isn’t a legit decent option at 2C on many team or can’t be shifted to the wing is insane. The guy wants to stay, can produce, is a monster still in the faceoff dot and will take a haircut – why the fuck wouldn’t you bring him back?
JT and Rielly aren’t why this team can’t get it done.
Look harder at the players who will be paid top dollars next year and were this year if you want to know why – AM, WN and MM specifically.
Blaming the 2nd pairing D man who is for sure overpaid or the 2nd line C who was also overpaid this year as the why vs the guys making 13.25, 11 and 10.9 each (the last one who will want what 13, 14M to stay?) and are supposed to be in their prime and to major firepower up front who collectively shit the bed in games 4,5 and 7 (and even then needed the goalie to pitch a shut out in game 6 and only were responsible for 1 of the 2 goals) is insanely stupid.
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