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June 2, 2025 at 4:26 pm #7547
WHIPPER
ParticipantRielly can and will be traded if the Leafs management actually put their mind to it.
Rielly not being traded isn’t because he can’t be moved, it’s because the Leafs have decided they believe he’s worth keeping.
~UGBoy, are you in for more disappointment than AA.
June 2, 2025 at 4:32 pm #7549Mr. Sir
ParticipantGourde
6yrs/14m
🤨June 2, 2025 at 4:35 pm #7550gravyface
ParticipantI’m not judging the trade until this upcoming season is done. Laughton has long been touted as a leader who leads by example and off the ice. Tortorella has nothing but good things to say about him, and he’s not typically the complimenting type. Whether he never found his footing here or his role or his linemates, I don’t know – but I’d like to give him another year before that 1st rounder is considered a waste of a pick. At this point if we’re spending draft picks, I like the idea of paying to acquire term and retention.
For two months of O’Reilly and Acciari they gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gaudette and Abramov; for eleven games of Foligno they gave up a 1st and 2 4ths.
I’m not saying that makes the Laughton look any better right now – a bad trade is a bad trade, even if there are worse ones – but I am saying that Laughton still has time here to make that trade worthwhile.
This is exactly what happens when you don’t have a balanced team and are spending a huge chunk of your cap on a 4 players: you have to overpay for complimentary players, in the hopes that you can inject some scoring into the bottom half of your lineup because your expensive guys can’t elevate their game in the playoffs.
June 2, 2025 at 4:48 pm #7554Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThis is exactly what happens when you don’t have a balanced team and are spending a huge chunk of your cap on a 4 players: you have to overpay for complimentary players, in the hopes that you can inject some scoring into the bottom half of your lineup because your expensive guys can’t elevate their game in the playoffs.
Incorrect.
This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.
If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.
June 2, 2025 at 4:49 pm #7555Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantBoy, are you in for more disappointment than AA. -whip
I don’t get disappointed by the Leafs anymore. I already expect they’re going to fail miserably.
June 2, 2025 at 4:52 pm #7556Unholy_Goalie
Participantyes he is cause you like to pylon poop on him and others Leafs players and is cheaper than Kampf. 👍🏾👊🏾 -dmnted
Every single season there are dozens of 4th liners available. Most of them, cost peanuts. The Leafs refuse to sign these players when they are at their cheapest and dive dick first into overpaying for them at the deadline.
And they do it, every, single, year. To the point where they effectively have traded every single 1st round pick for 10 years. A decade. Gone, in trades.
June 2, 2025 at 5:00 pm #7557skalapy
ParticipantBoy, are you in for more disappointment than AA
i don’t know about that one🤔
i would imagine that aa would switch team allegiance if and when greedy pencil neck gets a change of scenery 🤦🏿♂️
i don’t know much about Lewikie but I’ve heard he’s a take no excuses winner so i’m excited to see who he and mlse bring in as president because i know he has full autonomy 👍
can’t wait to see what kind of bargains that treedying can find for the d corps n bottom 6 this summer🙏🏿
really(?) finally seems to be establishing himself as a number 1 d so, pretty much we should plan a cup parade in banff👊
June 2, 2025 at 5:09 pm #7558Unholy_Goalie
Participanti don’t know much about Lewikie but I’ve heard he’s a take no excuses winner so i’m excited to see who he and mlse bring in as president because i know he has full autonomy 👍
Tim Leiweke?
He brought in Shanahan.
And hasn’t been in charge since 2015.
June 2, 2025 at 5:14 pm #7559skalapy
ParticipantTim Leiweke?
He brought in Shanahan.
And hasn’t been in charge since
so I’ve been blaming the wrong people all this time?🤔
June 2, 2025 at 5:29 pm #7561monkeypunk
ParticipantIncorrect.
This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.
If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.
~Unholy_GoalieNoting that Jim Nill has been the GM of Dallas for 12 years and they have not only won nothing, they have missed the playoffs in 4 of those years. I like Dallas – I think they are an excellent hockey team.
I also like the teams and style of Tampa, Carolina and Winnipeg – and just like the Leafs, none are playing.
Typically Nill has held onto his picks and he’s drafted well – although his second round picks have worked out better than a lot of his first round picks; you have Robertson, Hintz and I guess Stankoven (I’m not a huge fan of his, but he was used in the Rantanen acquisition, so hard to argue he had value) – but then you had higher picks like Honka, Gurianov, Tufte, Dellandrea and so on that really – for where they were picked – should have hit.
Maybe if he’d landed on those Dallas would’ve won a cup by now, instead of being curb stomped by Edmonton in 5.
June 2, 2025 at 5:42 pm #7562gravyface
ParticipantIncorrect.
This is exactly what happens when the only impact players the franchise is capable of drafting is lottery picks.
If this Leafs team was constructed by Jim Nill, it would have all the superstar players along with drafted, developed depth players.
Any homegrown talent we’ve run out of town, so I don’t know what to tell you.
But putting all your eggs in one basket and that basket falling off the counter and shattering in a pile of goop and shell fragments — which can describe our Core 4 playoff performance for like 8 years — is never going to work.
Bye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go.
June 2, 2025 at 5:55 pm #7564WHIPPER
ParticipantBye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go.
~gravyfaceI just can’t picture Bennett or Marchand signing with the Leafs. Especially Bennett, why would he leave Florida?!? Their window is WIDE open, and they’re set up to be a problem for at least next year as well.
June 2, 2025 at 7:01 pm #7567Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantNoting that Jim Nill has been the GM of Dallas for 12 years and they have not only won nothing, they have missed the playoffs in 4 of those years. I like Dallas – I think they are an excellent hockey team.
They also haven’t ever drafted 1st overall. Highest pick (and only in the top 10 in the past 12 years) was Miro Heiskanen.
They have gone further than the Leafs, more often than the Leafs. Missing the playoffs and 1st round exists aren’t all that different.
I see that as a work in progress that has Cup winning potential for at least the next 5 years. But, McDavid…
So, I can only imagine how badly destroyed the Leafs would be if McDavid was in the way every single year.
I also like the teams and style of Tampa, Carolina and Winnipeg – and just like the Leafs, none are playing.
Tampa Bay and Carolina do much better at the draft table than the Leafs. Winnipeg, not so much. But it usually shows up on the ice which is why Tampa Bay has won Cups and Carolina goes deep often.
Typically Nill has held onto his picks and he’s drafted well – although his second round picks have worked out better than a lot of his first round picks; you have Robertson, Hintz and I guess Stankoven (I’m not a huge fan of his, but he was used in the Rantanen acquisition, so hard to argue he had value) – but then you had higher picks like Honka, Gurianov, Tufte, Dellandrea and so on that really – for where they were picked – should have hit.
Maybe if he’d landed on those Dallas would’ve won a cup by now, instead of being curb stomped by Edmonton in 5.
I really don’t see any names on the draft years of Honka, Gurianov, Tufte and Dellandrea that would be able to overcome McDavid. Except maybe Pasta in Honka’s year. But even the Leafs would be better off with Pasta than Nylander.
If Nill had Matthews, Marner and Nylander as his base and then added his late 1st / 2nd round picks as depth, the Leafs would be much better off than in the world we currently live in where they throw 1st round picks out for 4th line rentals. I don’t see him making the Tavares mistake either. And he did draft Oettinger (in the 1st round) which is miles ahead of what the Leafs had in net before this past season. Leafs took Liljegren in 2017.
There’s also Wyatt Johnston, 23rd overall. Mavrik Bourque, 30th overall. Thomas Harley, 18th overall. All recent contributors while the Leafs have almost nothing to show for 10 years of 1st round picks.
And when Nill finally does trade a guy like Stankoven and 1st round picks, he lands a mega catch like Rantanen.
We could be looking at something like this instead of what we have…
J. Robertson | Matthews | Marner
Johnston | Hintz | NylanderHarley | Heiskanen
Oettinger
I know who I’d rather have as our GM looking at that alternative…that’s for sure…
June 2, 2025 at 7:04 pm #7568Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantAny homegrown talent we’ve run out of town, so I don’t know what to tell you.
But putting all your eggs in one basket and that basket falling off the counter and shattering in a pile of goop and shell fragments — which can describe our Core 4 playoff performance for like 8 years — is never going to work.
Bye-bye Marndawg, hello weaponized cap space. Bennett, Marchand, let’s go. -gravy
Running the wrong guys out of town is exactly what Leafs fans are well known for. Marner will call Kadri after he wins a Cup on his new team and they’ll laugh about it together.
I just can’t picture Bennett or Marchand signing with the Leafs. Especially Bennett, why would he leave Florida?!? Their window is WIDE open, and they’re set up to be a problem for at least next year as well. -whip
There’s only one thing the Leafs can offer Bennett and Marchand; overpayment. The Leafs did it with Tavares, they may do it again, but it won’t work. That’s pretty much for sure because Bennett and Marchand would be world class morons to leave Florida to Toronto.
Florida will be good until Bob falls apart, which at 37, could start next year. Or soon after.
June 2, 2025 at 7:32 pm #7570PDO Speedwagon
ParticipantGourde
6yrs/14m – SirsieI’m actually OK with this, despite the batshit term. The caphit is only $2.3m, which is very fair for a quality bottom six center.
Having said that, it’s all but certain that the last couple years of that contract will be on Robidas Island. The Lightning are very good at gaming at the LTIR system, as we all know.
Leafs need a bottom six center like Gourde and he’s off the board now.
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