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Berube wants JT the person back. If he wants the player back, he’s an idiot. The stats don’t lie. Tavares was one of the biggest reasons they lost to Florida. Clear as day. He didn’t score in 6 out of 7 games and he was on the ice for the most EVGA. That is a garbage loser player at 34 years old who will not be getting better as he marches toward 40.
Tavares was on for one more EVGA than Marner. JT was -3 and Marner was -1; Marner wants $13.5m and JT is in the realm of $5m.
Here’s the thing – there’s not a single Leaf fan that wasn’t secretly hoping that Mitch Marner would finally – FINALLY – show up in the playoffs and be THE guy. Take charge. Own the ice. Own some shifts single-handedly – because at the amount he wants to paid, he should. And yeah, just ‘cos you might be thinking it – we have seen Matthews do it in the playoffs – like last year against Boston, before McAvoy pitch-forked his head into the ice giving him a concussion. But we didn’t and still haven’t seen Marner strap the team to his back when they need it.
We haven’t seen that from any of them at crucial times. Matthews get a pass this year due to injury. Tavares gets a pass due to age and his new contract demands. I don’t expect my $5m guy to do that. Nylander doesn’t get a pass. He vanished and sucked – and was the passenger – at the end of the Florida series. At this point I’m resigned to the facts that Marner wants to leave, Nylander doesn’t – so all the pretend fabrications of moving one guy and keeping the other – just so you can VASTLY overpay someone is just plain mismanagement.
Will we miss Marner? At times, yes. But not likely in the playoffs.
Tavares was on for one more EVGA than Marner. JT was -3 and Marner was -1; Marner wants $13.5m and JT is in the realm of $5m.
Again, you should know better the level of competition Marner was tasked with. Florida’s top line was mostly kept in check with Marner and Matthews on the ice against them. Had that been Tavares, he would have probably been -10. Marner also scored 13 playoff points to Tavares’ 7. Marner had a GWG and a primary assist on a GWG against Florida. He’s 28. Tavares is 34 going on 35. That difference in money being spent is warranted because Marner is entering his prime while Tavares is entering his wheelchair years which means whatever money you “save” is spent on making sure he’s less of a liability. Was Tavares 7th in Selke voting? No, he wasn’t. He never has been. He never will be. Does Tavares kill penalties? No, he doesn’t. This idea of savings is basically admitting you want inferior players on the team as long as it saves you money to pay for more inferior players.
Here’s the thing – there’s not a single Leaf fan that wasn’t secretly hoping that Mitch Marner would finally – FINALLY – show up in the playoffs and be THE guy. Take charge. Own the ice. Own some shifts single-handedly – because at the amount he wants to paid, he should. And yeah, just ‘cos you might be thinking it – we have seen Matthews do it in the playoffs – like last year against Boston, before McAvoy pitch-forked his head into the ice giving him a concussion. But we didn’t and still haven’t seen Marner strap the team to his back when they need it.
He won games. He had more playoff points than Matthews. Led the team in scoring even without a 100% Matthews. Marner did show up and did his part. He’s not McDavid, no but he’s not the problem here as it’s been proven time and time again. And losing him for nothing won’t make things better either. Clearly, this will not be addition by subtraction. This is a straight subtraction of talent.
We haven’t seen that from any of them at crucial times. Matthews get a pass this year due to injury. Tavares gets a pass due to age and his new contract demands. I don’t expect my $5m guy to do that. Nylander doesn’t get a pass. He vanished and sucked – and was the passenger – at the end of the Florida series. At this point I’m resigned to the facts that Marner wants to leave, Nylander doesn’t – so all the pretend fabrications of moving one guy and keeping the other – just so you can VASTLY overpay someone is just plain mismanagement.
What’s Matthews’ excuse all the other years he didn’t show up? He was busy shitting his pants last year too, right? I wonder what excuse he will have next playoffs without an elite passer feeding him the puck all year and on the PP.
Rielly gets a pass too? How many passes does he get? Or does he give them away like he does on the ice?
You are correct, Nylander disappeared from Game 4-7. If Marner walks it’s because they pushed him out the door while making excuses for everybody else. Why? Because they need him to take a discount while they overpay everybody else? Because they need cap space to sign more defensively dog shit passengers?
Will we miss Marner? At times, yes. But not likely in the playoffs.
Factually incorrect. Which is rare for you. He directly helped win 2 of the 3 games they won against Florida. More career playoff points than Matthews, Nylander and Tavares. When Florida puts the band back together, the Leafs will not have Marner, Bennett, Marchand or anybody else that will make that kind of positive difference. Florida will mop the floor with them again as losing your best players for nothing has consequences of losing in the playoffs. And Marner will win, just like Kadri, somewhere else.
Wrong.
Tkachuk was instrumental in the Panthers “turning” their team around. That’s who they got for Huberdeau. That’s a factual error people are making by believing they can lose a 100 point player just because Florida did. The Leafs won’t be getting a Tkachuk if Marner walks. Tkachuk has 24, 22 and now 16 playoff points (with the Final still to be played) in the past 3 Final runs in exchange for Huberdeau. What player are the Leafs getting that can do that if Marner walks…? It’s a dream.
The Leafs 1st line was evenly matched against the Barkov line. The Leafs 2nd line got obliterated defensively. The Leafs 3rd and 4th line scored 0 goals and couldn’t be effective shutdown lines at all. The Panthers 3rd line feasted. Losing Marner loses you the top line match-up and if Tavares comes back you lose the 2nd line match-up again. You won’t beat Florida if your top-six get caved in and your 3rd and 4th lines are slightly better because Florida’s 3rd line still kills whatever make shift bullshit UFA signings you can muster when Bennett and Marchand stay in Florida.
Say goodbye to Rielly, who has been here the longest, and say goodbye to the stripped captain Tavares. That’s as big a DNA change as anything else. And they won’t be losing a Selke nominated 100 point player in his prime for NOTHING while they do it either.
I was talking about Tkachuk this year, against us.
Moving JT and Rielly doesn’t really change the DNA of the team at all, and if the 2nd line was getting caved in before, how is it not going to get caved in again with a bargain bin 2C, whoever that is going to be for the pocket lint we have leftover if Marner stays.
Uggie keeps going on and on about the top line, and yeah, they were evens, but THE REASON WHY THE OTHER LINES SUCKED IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY TO SPEND ON THEM.
Go look at successful teams: they spend more than a 50% Groupon coupon for their 3rd lines.
I was talking about Tkachuk this year, against us.
So Tkachuk is allowed to score 0 goals but he’s still considered a playoff God but Marner, scores a GWG, primary assist on another GWG and he should be let go for NOTHING in return? Excellent logic.
Moving JT and Rielly doesn’t really change the DNA of the team at all
It absolutely does. For starters, it saves you 12.5 million in cap space to get rid of the FORMER captain and longest serving Leafs defender (who can’t defend). Secondly, it removes the two worst defensive players on the team who cost you important games. Thirdly, it allows you to spend money on the “depth” you are so desperate to sign via free agents.
and if the 2nd line was getting caved in before, how is it not going to get caved in again with a bargain bin 2C, whoever that is going to be for the pocket lint we have leftover if Marner stays.
Add to the list of garbage players, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Robertson and McMann and you have the opportunity to make trades. Those trades, if done shrewdly with the correct teams and left over draft picks (Leafs won’t do jack shit with them anyway but trade them away later) and you can bring in what you need: Jenner and McBain. Two solid two-way centers that will both make between 3-4 AAV each.
Uggie keeps going on and on about the top line, and yeah, they were evens, but THE REASON WHY THE OTHER LINES SUCKED IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY TO SPEND ON THEM.
And that money was wasted on Tavares, Rielly, Kampf and Jarnkrok. Cap goes up 7 million. Rielly makes 7.5. Tavares wants a “discount” 5. Kampf and Jarnkrok also make about 5 combined.
That’s a lot of money spent on a lot of garbage players who actively lost you more games than they helped win vs. Florida.
Rough math says that’s 24.5 million to spend on whatever depth you can find, not to mention what you can get back in return for trades.
Go look at successful teams: they spend more than a 50% Groupon coupon for their 3rd lines.
Go look at teams who have left 100 point players LEAVE FOR NOTHING and see how well they recovered after taking that money and spending it on spare parts and leftovers.
No matter how much you people want to beat the drums of “saving 13.5 AAV to spend on better playoff warriors” you can’t name the players that will actually want to play in Toronto without being grossly overpaid. If it took the 2nd highest salary in the NHL to get Tavares to sign in Toronto only to waste 7 years of our cap space with futility, just imagine how much they’d have to overpay Bennett and Marchand to leave better weather, lower taxes, a better team and zero pressure.
Bennett gets away with everything. And of course Marchand scores on the PP that shouldn’t have happened.
Bennett gets away with everything. And of course Marchand scores on the PP that shouldn’t have happened.
~fifty mission capNot only am I cheering for Edmonton, but I have no reason to be cheering for anything Bennett does.
I see that play as a battle in front of the net, Bennett goes to glide back to the far post and trips over Walman’s leg and ends up in the crease. As much as I’d love for that to be called back – you can’t. There’s just not enough there. It was a bad challenge based on what we all know of the NHL.
Not only am I cheering for Edmonton, but I have no reason to be cheering for anything Bennett does.
I see that play as a battle in front of the net, Bennett goes to glide back to the far post and trips over Walman’s leg and ends up in the crease. As much as I’d love for that to be called back – you can’t. There’s just not enough there. It was a bad challenge based on what we all know of the NHL.
Agreed bad challenge but when they showed the replay looked like it was Kukak with a mini slew foot that caused the issue / fall but Bennett took full advantage and made sure he fell into Skinner.
And now it’s 3-1. Jesus Edmonton figure it out and smarten up.
Uggle Buggle, you let JT walk, now you need a 2C.
You now have to move Kampf and find a taker for him, and probably have to eat cap to do that and add a sweetener; Rielly has a full NMC and very likely is going to say no to any trade except maybe Vancouver, and we’ll have to eat salary as well to do that, or take a cap dump in return. Marner is very likely walking anyways, so are you just armchair GM circle-jerking like usual, or do you want to actually talk about realistic moves? I know that’s difficult for you, the air is foul in your mom’s basement what with her corpse rotting in the next room.
So after 60 minutes does anyone really think the Leafs as constructed this year are seriously in the same echelon as either of these teams?
I don’t at all and it just again makes it clear to me that the Leafs need to part ways with one of the biggest 3 contracts they have or will have if Marner is re-signed to allow them to get a better balanced roster.
Losing JT or taking a hit to get rid of Reilly isn’t nearly enough change. Neither is replacing bottom 6 players with new bottom six players with the money they would have without the current bottom 6.
Both Florida and Edmonton have the balance that is needed to win the cup. Toronto just doesn’t currently.
And Edmonton is right there without Hyman even!
In fairness, Cush, Florida needed 7 games to dispatch us after KOing our #1 in game 1. Things could have been very different.
The Oilers have dragged Florida to OT, but it’s only one game. Let’s see how things play out.
In fairness, Cush, Florida needed 7 games to dispatch us after KOing our #1 in game 1. Things could have been very different.
The Oilers have dragged Florida to OT, but it’s only one game. Let’s see how things play out.
i don’t think the Florida team the Leafs faced in games 1 or 2 was who they are at all – for sure not Bob anyway. So if you back out those games the Leafs were outplayed in 4 of 5.
I don’t know I just don’t see the Leafs beating either of these teams – at least not if this level of play is what the series stays at but to the point you are making it’s game 1 so who knows what the next games will be like.
I just see 2 deep and balanced teams and Toronto isn’t balanced to the same degree or anywhere close to it.
I want Kappy to score the winner and he almost did.
Go former Leaf Go!
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