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I would not pay Tavares 7.7, although, being a PPG player, he could still EASILY get that elsewhere.
My feeling is he signs for 3 years at 5.5m. This is a value contract, and a massive home town discount. I think every single Leafs fan -1 would be absolutely pumped for such a signing, and consider it a steal. Why? Because it’s a steal.
Not worth a penny more than 2. He sucks balls in the playoffs vs. the Panthers, he sucks defensively and he’s old. If the goal is to save the most money, then Columbus would be winning the Cup every year. Facts are facts, Tavares sucks. It’s so funny though watching people call Marner a soft regular season only player yet he has more career playoff points than Tavares and played better against tougher competition. Tavares provides negative value in the playoffs. That’s the part that the idiots just can’t understand.
You can spout off all you want, but the value projections are based on his value-add and 74 points in 75 games and being +19 at 5v5 grants him a lot of leeway. At the end of the day, Pacioretty-Tavares-Nylander were +3 against Florida at 5v5. The line struggled with Holmberg on the wing instead of Patches because it was like playing short-handed. Florida isn’t a team you go up against and handicap one of your top-2 lines.
I do think the Leafs future lies in getting a #2 centre with grit and moxy and that could push JT to the wing because at 35, he’s just not going to be the long-term centre.
In terms of the performance against Florida – he wasn’t good, but neither was Nylander. Objectively, despite getting some nice bounces, Pacioretty was slow and didn’t offer a ton defensively either – but it was a far sight better than Holmberg! But $5m isn’t expected to carry a line. You can be mad at Tavares because his $11m contract was never realized for the value it cost and what it may have cost the team. I’m certainly not going to hold it against him that his next contract may take some of that into financial consideration.
Hence the average frustration with Marner – no matter what you think of him. His value to the team was exceptional, no doubt – but it likely never crossed the $9.5m threshold on average and his play in the playoffs was all too often eclipsed by the expectations placed on him due to his exaggerated contract. When the contract was coming up, there was never any consideration from him that he could give back some of what he’d taken to the town he supposed loves so much – but rather his expectation was to seek a contract large enough to continue to cripple the organization’s flexibility. Who cares if you win as long as you get your cut of the pie? Now much of that is conjecture mixed with hyperbole but there’s enough truth in there as well that I understand why people are hoping the door hits him on the way out.
Prior to the cap no one in Toronto ever had to care if a player was overpaid. It was never a problem. But now it carries consequences.
Tavares is Not worth a penny more than 2. He sucks balls in the playoffs vs. the Panthers, he sucks defensively and he’s old. If the goal is to save the most money, then Columbus would be winning the Cup every year.
not to many C out there in this year UFA class. I would like the Leafs to resign him. Maybe to a 6 year contract. You know, Matthew, Nylander and all also disappeared. RIGHT!!!!
When the going get tough, Marner games disappears with Waldo. I like Marner and I hope he re-sign the same contract as Matthews did.
If Marner takes to long to decide, he may not like the remaining offers on the table as the other offers have moved on.Facts are facts, Tavares sucks. It’s so funny though watching people call Marner a soft regular season only player yet he has more career playoff points than Tavares and played better against tougher competition. Tavares provides negative value in the playoffs. That’s the part that the idiots just can’t understand.
Those are your facts not mine, I think Tavares had a good year. His playoffs were ok, not spectacular but ok. I get your hate for him, Aki Berg was mine from the get go.
You can spout off all you want, but the value projections are based on his value-add and 74 points in 75 games and being +19 at 5v5 grants him a lot of leeway. At the end of the day, Pacioretty-Tavares-Nylander were +3 against Florida at 5v5. The line struggled with Holmberg on the wing instead of Patches because it was like playing short-handed. Florida isn’t a team you go up against and handicap one of your top-2 lines.
Tavares is a career loser. He’s at 35 and he’s never won a damn thing in the NHL. The Leafs gave him the 2nd highest salary in the NHL, the captaincy and 7 years in his prime, with multiple young, offensive weapons. What did he do? He did fucking nothing. If this team truly wants to “change the DNA” of this team, Tavares is priority #1 to be removed from the team. Great human being but his time should be over.
If Pacioretty playing with Tavares and Nylander was the difference maker, why did Berube refuse to keep them together? Is he really that stupid? Tavares was offensively garbage against Florida. Put aside the defense for a moment but he did abso-fucking-lutely nothing offensively in 6 out of 7 games. That’s not value when his only benefit is his ability to score, especially on the PP. In the one game he did score goals, he also played terrible defensively and allowed the Panthers to come back.
Nylander did indeed disappear but we all know what he is so bringing back another defensive liability in Tavares and having two of the same is a dumbass idea. Wing or center, it won’t matter, Tavares will be like Duchene was for Dallas and ultimately a loser. I’d trade Nylander and keep Marner in a heartbeat but the Leafs are always better off keeping the guys under 30 and getting rid of the guys at 35+.
I do think the Leafs future lies in getting a #2 centre with grit and moxy and that could push JT to the wing because at 35, he’s just not going to be the long-term centre.
Agreed. Jenner and McBain should both be brought in to solve the short and long term problem at 2C and 3C. But if the goal is to move Tavares to the wing, they’d still be better off with Rielly Smith who is actually a reliable two-way winger, with better playoff results and an actual winner. Tavares is already useless, he’ll be total trash by time his deal is over if they give him a Tanev contract to bring his cap hit down.
In terms of the performance against Florida – he wasn’t good, but neither was Nylander. Objectively, despite getting some nice bounces, Pacioretty was slow and didn’t offer a ton defensively either – but it was a far sight better than Holmberg! But $5m isn’t expected to carry a line. You can be mad at Tavares because his $11m contract was never realized for the value it cost and what it may have cost the team. I’m certainly not going to hold it against him that his next contract may take some of that into financial consideration.
He didn’t provide value in his prime, he’s a fundamentally flawed player that doesn’t fit this team’s goal of beating Florida. Being a cheaper liability still makes him a liability. He’s not worth it even at the discount. He’s the wrong player with the wrong set of skills at the wrong age.
Hence the average frustration with Marner – no matter what you think of him. His value to the team was exceptional, no doubt – but it likely never crossed the $9.5m threshold on average and his play in the playoffs was all too often eclipsed by the expectations placed on him due to his exaggerated contract. When the contract was coming up, there was never any consideration from him that he could give back some of what he’d taken to the town he supposed loves so much – but rather his expectation was to seek a contract large enough to continue to cripple the organization’s flexibility. Who cares if you win as long as you get your cut of the pie? Now much of that is conjecture mixed with hyperbole but there’s enough truth in there as well that I understand why people are hoping the door hits him on the way out.
The reality is the market of Toronto burdens players like Marner with ridiculous taxes. He’d take the same amount home making 12 in Vegas as he would making 16.5 in Toronto. Framing that as greed is ignorant which makes sense why the average idiot buys that narrative. Do the math and you’ll see that even at 14, he’d be taking a discount compared to what he could make other places at 11 or 12.
Marner has more career playoff points than Nylander, Matthews and Tavares. Which games those points come in is what everybody is bitching about. And yet, Knies, Marner and Matthews were responsible for 1 GWG each against Florida. Marner was defensively sound in keeping Florida’s top line in check. He’s in his prime. He’s a 100 point, two-way winger. The media is squawking they can’t afford to keep him but the reality is they can’t afford to lose him for nothing. You won’t be able to replace him with better players at a lower cost and expect to beat Florida.
Prior to the cap no one in Toronto ever had to care if a player was overpaid. It was never a problem. But now it carries consequences.
Trade Rielly, tell Tavares to fuck off. There are other ways to save cap space. Just because some fans are too stupid to see it doesn’t mean management has to either. Hyman, Kadri, now Marner. Leafs always fuck it up.
not to many C out there in this year UFA class. I would like the Leafs to resign him. Maybe to a 6 year contract. You know, Matthew, Nylander and all also disappeared. RIGHT!!!!
When the going get tough, Marner games disappears with Waldo. I like Marner and I hope he re-sign the same contract as Matthews did.
If Marner takes to long to decide, he may not like the remaining offers on the table as the other offers have moved on.35 years old on a 6 year contract. That’s a legendary crack head Leafs idea from the 90s. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.
Nylander disappeared but he’s not 35. You can afford to have one Nylander. You can’t afford to have another one which is what Tavares would be but older and more useless.
Marner did not disappear. He scored a GWG and Matthews scored a GWG in Game 6, assisted by Marner. He had 1 goal and 5 points in 7 games vs Florida. McDavid has 1 goal and 7 points in 5 games vs Florida.
Those are your facts not mine, I think Tavares had a good year. His playoffs were ok, not spectacular but ok. I get your hate for him, Aki Berg was mine from the get go.
No, they are the actual facts. I don’t hate him for no good reason. He was given his time, in his prime and now his time should be finished. He’s not the right DNA. Tavares was trash against Florida. If you want the Leafs to be able to beat them and win a Cup, Tavares won’t get you there, not even at 5 million AAV. He’s old, slow, defensively garbage and disappeared offensively.
I read a headline that the Leafs may go after Kane and Toews.
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Tavares | Toews | Kane
Out in the 1st round. But win the Cap Savings Cup!
Nylander disappeared because he was on a line with Tavares and Holmberg most of the time. Leafs need to also consider moving McMann. Not fast enough for playoff hockey. As a 20 goal scorer with size, he could get you a decent prospect or a second rounder. Guys like McMann are fairly easy to find. Getting prospects is a must, with having no first rounders for 3 years. Time to toughen up and get ready for war in the playoffs. Leafs only have a 2 year window to make it to the finals, before the young and up and coming teams in the Atlantic arrive.
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this is how we quote here right? lol
So, McDavid needs to come alive. The end.
this is how we quote here right? lol
So, McDavid needs to come alive. The end.
Yeah it needs to be worked out. I’m not sure that they’ve had an official rollout yet, but I read that they just got the go ahead for advertising, so maybe some changes are in the works.
Looks like Edmonton is stone cold dead. Their goaltending has been their undoing for 4 years now, but they don’t seem to fix it. By the time they do, their window will have passed. McDavid’s next contract is a couple of year out and he may decide to leave, if they don’t address their problems in net. Leafs could help them, but they better be ready to anti up and give a top prospect or a first for someone like Stolarz. I think that Woll can carry the ball, for the Leafs. The Leafs seem to have a lot of goaltending prospects coming through the system right now. You have to give something to get something.
Yeah it needs to be worked out. I’m not sure that they’ve had an official rollout yet, but I read that they just got the go ahead for advertising, so maybe some changes are in the works.
Looks like Edmonton is stone cold dead. Their goaltending has been their undoing for 4 years now, but they don’t seem to fix it. By the time they do, their window will have passed. McDavid’s next contract is a couple of year out and he may decide to leave, if they don’t address their problems in net. Leafs could help them, but they better be ready to anti up and give a top prospect or a first for someone like Stolarz. I think that Woll can carry the ball, for the Leafs. The Leafs seem to have a lot of goaltending prospects coming through the system right now. You have to give something to get something.
ffs my real name is Bruce Locke so this “block” thing is playing with me a bit lol
Anyways lol
As much as I hate to say this, but Edmonton not scoring does not get any excuse. Even when Hyman is done you still have enough character to open up the ice for McDavid and Draisaitl, and if those two aren’t scoring the problem is coaching.
10 players are non stop physical bombs while 2 players are offensive. Why is that not being attempted at this point?
As much as I hate to say this, but Edmonton not scoring does not get any excuse. Even when Hyman is done you still have enough character to open up the ice for McDavid and Draisaitl, and if those two aren’t scoring the problem is coaching.
10 players are non stop physical bombs while 2 players are offensive. Why is that not being attempted at this point?
Sounds familiar? We saw this in round 2. Oh, for one of those breakaways going in during overtime in Game 3. Reminds me of Matt Frattin in Game 7 against Boston in the Phaneuf/Kessel years. If he scores to make it a 4 goal lead, the Leafs probably win that series and the roster doesn’t get deconstructed.
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