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Rielly out
Marner outEkblad in
Boeser in
Ehlers inJT either signs for $5M or less, or he can walk.
If Sam Bennett comes in under $7M per, you take him instead.
The rest of the defense stays.
Matthews stays, he’s one of the best goalscorers in the league.
Sign Knies long term. He’s the real deal.
Tinker with the 3rd and 4th lines.
The Goaltending is solid.
Get rid of the dead wood.Kampf gone.
Reaves gone….Robidas Island.
Domi stays.Hope for Easton Cowan to make the jump next year.
Rielly out
Marner outRielly, yes, Marner, must stay. Can’t replace him for less money. There is nobody available on his level.
Ekblad in
Boeser in
Ehlers inEkblad won’t leave Florida. Why the fuck would he?
Boeser absolutely sucks, -25. Also, not playing in Canada. Why the fuck would he?
Ehlers, soft as baby shit. You’re getting a garbage version of Marner to save what? And again, why would he leave Winnipeg when they went just as far as the Leafs?
JT either signs for $5M or less, or he can walk.
He can walk even at 5 AAV. He’s a horrible player in his own end. Led the Leafs forwards in EVGA. He will not be able to score more than he allows as he ages.
If Sam Bennett comes in under $7M per, you take him instead.
Yes, Bennett is going to cut his value down significantly to make YOU happy.
Why would he leave Florida?
The rest of the defense stays.
Rest of the D sucks offensively and will be dinosaurs really soon.
Matthews stays, he’s one of the best goalscorers in the league.
So, throw Marner to the curb (FOR NOTHING IN RETURN) but Matthews, who disappoints regularly in the playoffs, he’s still the best? Good luck to Matthews in the playoffs without the elite playmaker passing him the puck anymore. I’m sure Matthews will go from 70 goals to 90 goals without Marner…
Sign Knies long term. He’s the real deal.
Define “real deal”. What’s the deal? Next Lindros? How many goals did he score again in Game 5, 6 or 7?
Tinker with the 3rd and 4th lines.
Drop a nuclear bomb on the 3rd and 4th lines. They scored ZERO goals. Get rid of, at least, 4 or 5 of the 6. Domi can stay.
The Goaltending is solid. -PrinceLH
Solidly injured.
Hope for Easton Cowan to make the jump next year.
Good luck with that.
I slept normal.
Fortunately i was not invested in this team this year. Didnt even watch game 5 or 7, watched a bit of game 6.With Matthews as captain, marner as an A, i simply dont expect much from this team.
They’ve traded away 1st rounders like crazy, one for a 3rd line center.
Team is screwed for a while. Imo -FakeI slept great!
I haven’t felt this core would ever win for many years now.
Yup, it’s going to be a while. A rebuild can’t even start for another 5 years or so. The team has zero chance as long as Matthews is there.Marner just had his first 100 point season. Matthews has a Calder, a number of Rocket’s and a Hart Trophy. And Marner has won what trophy, since he came to the NHL? And he wants Matthews money? I think not. He’s too small for playoff style hockey and disappears. He’s known to get primary assists on the opponents goals by puck giveaways and he wants what? Matthews money? No F’n way! If he wants Nylander money, then he signs the identical contract. He won’t. The soap opera will continue. His papa Paul will start giving executive orders to Leafs management, once free agency hits. Marner should go and take the Johnny Gaudreau retirement contract and play in Cannonball City Ohio, or the Great Mormon Tabernacle in Sault Lake City. He needs a good humbling.
I figure Shanahan is gone, Treliving and Berube are safe.
Marner is gone. He has no supporters left here. The crowd booed him any time he touched the puck at the end of the game. Trade him at the draft for whatever paltry picks you can fetch from an interested team, or participate in a sign & trade for him to get his 8th year. Let him go somewhere else and vanish when the going gets tough.
Tavares played well enough to return, but not well enough to warrant even $7m on his next deal. Even losing Marner and JT makes you wonder if the addition of toughness would really alter this group very much.
Rielly had moments when the physicality wasn’t that amped up, but once Florida started to forecheck, he wilted and reverted to missing pucks, losing battles and not physically engaging on the boards where it was required. In the end he contributed little and cost more. I’d try and move him. Buying him out would be just too long (10 years).
I wouldn’t trade Matthews at his lowest value and I’m expecting he was playing hurt all season; while he was almost a P/G in the playoffs he was not himself and was too infrequently not an asset.
I don’t know what happened to Willy either. He just vanished and didn’t engage way too often. It was enigma-Willy – playing when he felt like it.
On the plus side there were bright spots other than the D and G – Obviously Knies, but the lesser sung guys like Lorentz, Laughton, Pacioretty and at times Holmberg were all pretty good. Kampf, Jarnkrok and Robertson might be done as Leafs.
An honest assessment? They made it further than they have under Matthews – not far enough obviously – but there’s progress there. They need toughness in the forwards and from the forwards. Still too many guys who are easily pushed around and cowed. It’s disappointing and their ability to not compete at critical times was probably more obvious this year than any other year. And this under a coach who preaches competitiveness more than the last one. I would imagine they need to figure out where that rot is and weed it out.-Monkeypunk
This pretty much sums it up.
Friedman kept saying that Berube would have a big sau in what happens in the off-season. I certainly hope so. He knows better than any of us what is actually wrong with this group and I doubt it is as simple as just let Marner walk for the privilege of overpaying for some new magic beans in FA.
Marner just had his first 100 point season.
Wrong. 5 straight seasons with 100 points per 82 game pace. Marner has been a 100 point producing level player for a long time.
Matthews has a Calder
So fucking what?
a number of Rocket’s and a Hart Trophy. And Marner has won what trophy, since he came to the NHL?
What difference has those trophies made when the playoffs started considering Marner has more career playoff points than Matthews?
And he wants Matthews money? I think not. He’s too small for playoff style hockey and disappears.
So Marner “disappears” but has more playoff points than Matthews both this year and over his entire career. So, I guess, by your logic, Matthews disappears and is more overpaid.
He’s known to get primary assists on the opponents goals by puck giveaways and he wants what?
Primary assist to Matthews on the GWG of Game 6. Guess Matthews would have no problem scoring 70+ goals without an elite playmaker…probably not…
Matthews money? No F’n way! If he wants Nylander money, then he signs the identical contract. He won’t. The soap opera will continue. His papa Paul will start giving executive orders to Leafs management, once free agency hits. Marner should go and take the Johnny Gaudreau retirement contract and play in Cannonball City Ohio, or the Great Mormon Tabernacle in Sault Lake City. He needs a good humbling.
The rest of this is drivel. You got Marner Derangement Syndrome.
This pretty much sums it up.
Friedman kept saying that Berube would have a big sau in what happens in the off-season. I certainly hope so. He knows better than any of us what is actually wrong with this group and I doubt it is as simple as just let Marner walk for the privilege of overpaying for some new magic beans in FA. -Aetherial
Letting Marner walk as a UFA to sign magic beans sums it up perfectly.
If Marner walks, it will be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the franchise to allow their leading point producer walk for NOTHING.
At 28, Marner is 5th in all-time Leafs playoff scoring. 2nd only to Gilmour in playoff assists.
Watching him win a Cup with another team would be the Leafiest thing imaginable. Kadri 2.0 on steroids.
If Marner walks, it will be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the franchise to allow their leading point producer walk for NOTHING.
There is no solution for Marner problem. It is too bad to let him go, but giving him 14 million contract is not much better option.
The outcome will be almost the same, the first round exit. The Leafs will not have enough money under the cup to have respectful bottom six
where top six is not producing when it most needed. And after Tre tried to flip him for Rantanen I am not sure both sides want him to stay here in Toronto.There is no solution for Marner problem. It is too bad to let him go, but giving him 14 million contract is not much better option.
The outcome will be almost the same, the first round exit. The Leafs will not have enough money under the cup to have respectful bottom six
where top six is not producing when it most needed. And after Tre tried to flip him for Rantanen I am not sure both sides want him to stay here in Toronto.This team will not improve by letting go your leading scorer for nothing. Also, your leading goal scorer will not improve by losing his #1 playmaker.
The real question is, who replaces Marner? Can anybody name the player that replaces Marner for less money and more production? That player does not exist.
The Cap is going up over 9 million. That means, Knies gets an increase and Marner gets an increase. And it won’t be 14 AAV.
Tavares is the one that needs to go. He’s old, he’s slow and his defense absolutely sucks. He did nothing in Game 5, 6 or 7. He’s done.
Rielly needs to go. That’s more money for the bottom-six.
The bottom-six needs to be fixed, no doubt, but not at the expense of your top line. The Leafs can find bargains. They can’t replace Marner.
This team will not improve by letting go your leading scorer for nothing. Also, your leading goal scorer will not improve by losing his #1 playmaker.
Unholy_GoalierI agree with everything you said, it will make team worse and they will not find anyone to replace Marner.
That’s why I say it is no win – win solution in this situation.
Once too many bad moves done during rebuild there is no way to fix the roster anymore.
With Marner Leafs more likely to make playoffs, but I don’t expect them to go deep in playoff with Marner or without him,
we been in this scenario often enough.I agree with everything you said, it will make team worse and they will not find anyone to replace Marner.
That’s why I say it is no win – win solution in this situation.
Once too many bad moves done during rebuild there is no way to fix the roster anymore.
With Marner Leafs more likely to make playoffs, but I don’t expect them to go deep in playoff with Marner or without him,
we been in this scenario often enough.The Leafs have 26 million in cap space. If they dump Jarnkrok, Kampf and Rielly, that becomes 38 million.
With 38 million, you can sign Marner for 13.5, Knies for 7 and still have 17 million left to sign 3 more 5 million dollar players for the 2nd/3rd line and top-4 D PPQB.
There is enough money. They just have to move it around properly.
Unholy_Goalie
I think they will sign Marner, they will look too stupid if they not.
They mismanaged their high draft picks terribly and did not develop talent for
years, now they have no picks and no assets.
But it is what it is, I have no exceptions whatsoever, I just don’t believe
it is possible to make roster competitive enough with what they have now.
And how you think they can move Reilly?Read this today – hard to argue with this:
You cant argue that Marner wasn’t successful in the playoffs; he had 13 points in 13 games (2G, 11A) but it was his lack of production in Games 5 and 7 that really made fans furious.
Zero points, only three shots, a minus-4 rating. He had only four points the entire series, and did most of his heavy lifting against Ottawa.Marner is gone – the crying and proclaiming they can’t let him go or they are doomed if he goes is just drama and untrue.
Name the “Mitch Marner” type of player on any of the remaining teams for me? If you can name one go ahead and tell me what is different between them and Marner. I think we all know the differences and it’s why he is gone – the Leafs have too much rope and / soft as shit talent so he’s the odd man out being the UFA.
The whataboutism is irrelevant and deflecting.
Yes the rest of the core was shit last 2/3 games (as usual), Marner and JT are the only guys who can be moved / let walk without them having to agree to it.
They can’t afford to keep Marner if he wants more than what Willy makes. That’s the facts, you don’t have to like them but you do have to accept them.
Marner is gone – as a start at least it’s a forgone conclusion. He knows it, he essentially said it on his willing at the end of the game having a pity party and in his post game presser.
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