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I think the Leafs should consider re-signing Scott Laughton to a 2 year deal, as a 3rd or 4th line center. He doesn’t score a lot, but does play an aggressive game. Besides, reacquiring him would make the Philly deal look a little more palatable. The trade was a disaster, giving up a first and a prospect, but reacquiring a second rounder from the Kings(via Buffalo) for a rental would take a bit of the sting out of that deal. Who knows? If the Leafs rebound, that pick might become a mid 1st round pick.
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Kulak, Andersson, and Marchment are on my wishlist. Have to figure out how to jettison some dead weight, though.
Kulak on the 3rd pairing and Marchment on the third line would solidify the bottom 6. Bringing back Laughton as 4C would also help. Lots of talk about acquiring Darren Raddysh would help the powerplay. Put him on the top defensive pairing with Jake McCabe. I’m in total agreement with jettisoning Rielly and Maccelli. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with Domi with Matts running the show.
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Raddysh has had such a great year…and it feels like he’s going to get paid way too much and likely be unable to live up to the contract. Or, he could have just come into his own and will be a beast for the next 10 years. Some are saying a 4-year deal at just over 5 million is the ballpark, and I would do that in a heartbeat, but I don’t think it is even close. I think it starts there and ends up at 7.5 for 5 years.
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I also proposed this yesterday, iv Van wanted to move Elias Petterson, a Rielly (plus whatever) for EP if Van would retain a couple mil. gets his cap to 9.6
would be a good 2/3 Center with JT. and maybe he regains a bit of scoring.,If the Leafs took on Petterson’s full cap hit, maybe a straight up trade for Rielly could work. The gamble could work if Petterson regains his scoring prowess and in a year, he could be tradeable or better yet, an asset. It would make it feasible to move Matthews for a boat load of talent and draft capital. With the proper moves and a bit of luck, the retool could restructure the Leafs quicker than we think. Petterson with Nylander and pick your left winger, either Knies or McKenna and you have something.
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If the Leafs took on Petterson’s full cap hit, maybe a straight up trade for Rielly could work. The gamble could work if Petterson regains his scoring prowess and in a year, he could be tradeable or better yet, an asset. It would make it feasible to move Matthews for a boat load of talent and draft capital. With the proper moves and a bit of luck, the retool could restructure the Leafs quicker than we think. Petterson with Nylander and pick your left winger, either Knies or McKenna and you have something.
I was thinking to keep AM, at least for the rest of his contract, a couple play makers like EP and Mckenna would help.
Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Petterson, Mckenna, Knies decent 6.Its the D that is the Challenge to fix
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I was thinking to keep AM, at least for the rest of his contract, a couple play makers like EP and Mckenna would help.
Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Petterson, Mckenna, Knies decent 6.Its the D that is the Challenge to fix
The issue with Matthews, is his current contract. You have to know, he won’t take less on his next contract and have we seen the peak Matthews 2 years ago, when he hit 69? He may not want to stay. If that’s the case, then moving him sooner, than later, would bring on the retool quicker. Another below par season and he’s almost untradeable. With the power balance in the West changing rapidly, teams like the Kings, Ducks and Sharks will be looking to get an edge on their opponents. A bidding war could drive up the return after we see how this year’s playoffs play out. San Jose is on the cusp of a breakout year. The Ducks are making their move right now, playoff wise. LA doesn’t want to be the odd man out and they have some assets that would look nice on the Leafs. It’s a crap shoot, so now may be the time to pull the trigger. Petterson for Rielly and a bag of pucks could be the ticket to retooling the top line, with Matts being the catalyst by getting the Swede Petterson out of Vancouver and rejuvenating his career. On the D, Raddysh seems to be the fit, if he gets to free agency. Addition through subtraction may be the way to go.
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Raddysh has had such a great year…and it feels like he’s going to get paid way too much and likely be unable to live up to the contract. Or, he could have just come into his own and will be a beast for the next 10 years. Some are saying a 4-year deal at just over 5 million is the ballpark, and I would do that in a heartbeat, but I don’t think it is even close. I think it starts there and ends up at 7.5 for 5 years.
There is no shot anyone gets Raddysh for $5M (unless he takes a HUGE hometown discount with the Leafs, which I don’t expect). There are a lot of teams with a lot of cap space and a very weak UFA class, so just about everybody is going to get massively overpaid.
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I think that Matthews should go up for auction. My guess is the California teams will go all in to get him. Let the highest bidder win. LA needs to replace Kopitar and the other two will become contenders next year. Strike now while the iron is hot. If Matthews returns and has a 35 goal year, you’ll never move that contract. It’s possible that he’s past his peak and will settle in as a 35 goal, defensive forward. Not a bad player, actually quite good, if it was a cap hit of $9M. He won’t take less than $14M in his next contract extension. Pull the trigger now!
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Addition through subtraction. Bye to Rielly. Maybe use him and a 3rd rounder for a modest upgrade on the back end. Go visit Seattle and see what they have to offer. Matthews auction could be epic, if they do it this year. Two years left on his contract and in cash, it’s not a large payment. The cap hit is still brutal, but the younger teams on the rise have their young guns on entry level contracts. They can afford to take him for 2 years. The time is now to make him available, but not trade him until July 1st. All accompanying contracts will be paid out by then. I’m 50-50 on also moving Willy. The Leafs need a centre back in any deal for Matthews.
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I think McKenna has a bit more bite to his game, than Patrick Kane. He’s only 18 and 6′ tall. He could grow another inch, in a year or two. It’s imperative that they bring in Gary Roberts as a strength and fitness coach and build this guy an NHL caliber body. He seems to have the scoring touch. He just needs to mature into an NHL body. Many are speculating on whether to trade down to get more assets. I think you keep him, unless it’s a trade down into a top 4 pick and another 1st comes with it. I think Matthews is California bound, I’m just not sure where? My guess would be San Jose with the Patrick Marlow influence paving the way. San Jose will be next year’s Buffalo.
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Draft needs to be a trade down to increase assets. Best case scenario is doing a deal with NYR or VAN for a late 1st plus a top 5 pick. VAN seems to be a disaster and could be swindled since they seem really pissed off they aren’t drafting 1st overall.
Free agency should be absolutely nobody. This team needs to rebuild, not blow more cap space and long contracts on older, overpaid UFAs.
The only free agents should be 1 year deals that they can trade at the deadline when they finish 9th.
Matthews and Nylander also need to be traded with 50% retained to maximize value to bring back at least seven 1st round picks worth of value to kick start the rebuild and to get the rest of the old, overpaid slugs like Rielly, McCabe, Tanev and OEL to waive their NMC and trade them for maximum value.
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Kulak, Andersson, and Marchment are on my wishlist. Have to figure out how to jettison some dead weight, though.
The “dead weight” will refuse to waive their NMC unless Matthews is first traded. Only then will the rest of the rats flee the ship.
Sundin already said he won’t ask anybody to waive their NMC. Big surprise there after he fucked the Leafs at the deadline when he was a player. The old Muskoka Five leader is here to protect the new Muskoka Five.
It’s going to be the same shit box team with a new coat of paint.
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Wild and Avs are putting on a pretty good show tonight. Nothing shaking in Leafs land. Too bad that they wouldn’t just move on from Berube, but maybe they’re waiting until the end of the year to see who may come available. Hopefully, the Leafs can package a goaltender and maybe Nick Robertson for another mid level first rounder to help build the farm system, or a 1st next year to use when their first gets taken away by Philly.
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Well? The Wild are on their knees. Colorado is looking like champions right now. I can’t see them being stopped going forward.
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Coyle resigned with CBJ
6yrs X 6M. dude’s already 34.
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Coyle resigned with CBJ
6yrs X 6M. dude’s already 34.
Nobody wants to play for CBJ. With the cap being so high, both floor and ceiling, undesirable teams will continue to overspend to attract players. The Leafs have to do the same with the shitty market pressure, increased taxes and now also a terrible team.
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Berube fired. thats a good sign Chayka gets it
My best guess is the meeting between Chayka, Sundin and Matthews finally happened. The consensus is, the NHL has changed. It used to be, trap hockey, physical play along the boards, strong goaltending and waiting for a turnover. Today, most of the current teams in the playoffs are using speed and forechecking to force turnovers and sustained pressure to score their key goals. Berube was an old school type of coach and in todays game, it doesn’t work. Youth and speed now rule the day. It’s about puck control and moving the puck quickly out of your zone. It used to be off the glass and out, with lining up across your blueline and turning over the puck in the neutral zone. It’ll be interesting to see which coach shakes out of the bushes, once the playoffs are over.
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Lots of talk about where Austin Matthews may end up. Frontrunners: Anaheim, Salt Lake City, San Jose and Los Angeles. It’s getting more obvious that these teams are in win now mode and will compete to have a shot at landing one of the leagues premiere goal scorers. Having the ability to grab a top tier center, with a good defensive game, should make them drool. The Leafs should sit back and open the auction. Two caveats, a young center with possible top line talents is a must. The other, a top 4 defenseman that’s a puck mover. Add the obligatory 1st rounders and it’s a basis for a deal that reshapes the winner of the auction and makes them closer to winning a Stanley Cup. The Leafs get their rebuild done within a 3 year window if done properly. By then, the 1st overall pick will be hitting their stride, being McKenna or whoever they may bring in, if the pick is flipped. Of course, the new head-coach would also have some say in which players that the Leafs bring in. Two routes to go here. Either retool and keep Matthews, with free agent signings, or full blown rebuild on the fly, with a quick turnaround. It’s about to get interesting.
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Leafs have time to keep Matthews for this coming season, new coach. his 2 worst seasons were with Berube.
Leafs TDL Roy, Mcmann etc all went and were impactful. Berube…prob might be one of the worst coaches.at min build AM value back up. if they do end up deciding to trade him, but im not convinced that happens.
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Leafs have time to keep Matthews for this coming season, new coach. his 2 worst seasons were with Berube.
Leafs TDL Roy, Mcmann etc all went and were impactful. Berube…prob might be one of the worst coaches.at min build AM value back up. if they do end up deciding to trade him, but im not convinced that happens.
Agreed, rebuild his value and trade him with 50% retained at the 2027 draft.
The problem is, if the Leafs make 8th, they’ll think they’re contenders again and will ride Matthews into UFA and trade his rights for a 3rd liner.
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Chayka doesnt seem to sit on stuff. at least he didnt in his first go round as GM. Id suspect if he doesnt re-sign AM, he trades him and doesnt Marner it up.
But new GM, new coach, new shiny #1 pick. My bet is AM signs another deal with the Leafs
New GM means nothing if he builds a shit team. New coach means nothing if Matthews isn’t part of the hiring process. #1 pick means nothing if he doesn’t turn them into a contender instantly (he won’t).
Matthews certainly isn’t acting or speaking like it yet. And it seems like his agent and McDavid’s agent want them both to be UFAs at the same time and for the other to sign first to set a new bar of highest paid.
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New GM means nothing if he builds a shit team. New coach means nothing if Matthews isn’t part of the hiring process. #1 pick means nothing if he doesn’t turn them into a contender instantly (he won’t).
Matthews certainly isn’t acting or speaking like it yet. And it seems like his agent and McDavid’s agent want them both to be UFAs at the same time and for the other to sign first to set a new bar of highest paid.
I just mean for the perception the players have, like AM will see it as making changes to “improve”
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I just mean for the perception the players have, like AM will see it as making changes to “improve”
whether they do or not on the ice, isnt the point.They fired the coach without asking the players. What kind of perception does that have? They let his best buddy and best playmaker go to Vegas and he leads the playoffs in scoring. How’s that perception look?
Again, the perception still sucks from multiple angles. Chayka has zero success in the NHL and Sundin has zero experience. Shane Doan is gone. Since day one, this franchise has wiped Matthews’ ass in every direction. It’s been good enough to keep him signed but not a winning formula either.
The 1st overall pick is not McDavid. He’s not MacKinnon. He’s not Crosby. Or Ovechkin. The new coach is expected to turn chicken shit into chicken salad? The coaching candidates are either hard asses or rookies. The Leafs have hired both types. Neither worked before and the roster is worse than ever.
Don’t think anything they have done will change the reality and what happens on the ice is what matters. This will still be a lottery team at worst and a 9th placed team at best. The UFA market won’t change this team, the 1st overall pick won’t change this team and the Leafs simply do not have the assets to trade themselves into a better position either.
This pile of shit is what it is and Matthews, if he’s smart, will see the writing on the wall and get the hell out of town. Luckily, it’s also what is best for the franchise so both parties win.
Play out next year. Score 40-50. Miss the playoffs. Trade him with 50% retained at the draft.
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I saw a trade proposal. Chi offers #4 pick for Knies
yes or no?Is everybody else getting traded too? If you trade Knies for a player that won’t make an impact for another 2 or 3 years (best case scenario), Matthews and Nylander probably say fuck this team 2 seconds after they find out about the trade.
As I’ve said before, 1st overall doesn’t make this team a Cup winner overnight. Neither does 4th overall. So it’s full rebuild if any good player is traded.
But if Matthews is going for 2nd overall + Misa + an unprotected 2027 1st and Nylander is going for 3rd overall and a 2027 unprotected 1st, yes sure, blow it up, trade Knies and go for it.
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I saw a trade proposal. Chi offers #4 pick for Knies
yes or no?Do you make that trade…OK, if you get 4th overall and another 1st, unprotected in 2027 and we throw in Colorado’s 1st next year I buy that. 4th overall, plus unprotected Chicago 1st in 2027 for Knies and Colorado’s 1st in 2027, make that deal.
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I saw a trade proposal. Chi offers #4 pick for Knies
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I wonder when the Leafs will start shopping one of their goaltenders. Some of the teams that made it into the second round, but failed to advance due to average goaltending, should be looking at Stolarz. Freeing up that contract could make it easier in free agency to acquire some defensive help. The Leafs need to shore up the center position in the bottom 6. Once round 3 starts, the complete draft positioning will be set. Now that the California teams have been shut out of the third round and moving forward, the West Coast teams will need to upgrade their goaltending to make the next step. Hopefully, the Leafs are ready to try and fleece a desperate team that wants to jump over their geographical opponents.
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I wonder when the Leafs will start shopping one of their goaltenders. Some of the teams that made it into the second round, but failed to advance due to average goaltending, should be looking at Stolarz. Freeing up that contract could make it easier in free agency to acquire some defensive help. The Leafs need to shore up the center position in the bottom 6. Once round 3 starts, the complete draft positioning will be set. Now that the California teams have been shut out of the third round and moving forward, the West Coast teams will need to upgrade their goaltending to make the next step. Hopefully, the Leafs are ready to try and fleece a desperate team that wants to jump over their geographical opponents.
Stolarz and Woll aren’t worth dick on a stick. They are both 1A goalies with a long list of injuries. Until they can prove they can stay healthy, they won’t get you jack shit in return.
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Stenberg at #1.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/scouts-analysis-ranking-the-top-45-prospects-for-the-nhl-draft/
He had a goal disallowed vs. Canada due to high stick but he showed excellent hand eye to get to it.
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Iv consumed a bunch of draft content, and to me I think the Leafs take Mckenna. Its close
The comps are like picking Patrick Kane/Panerin vs Tim Stutzle /Lucas Raymond
not perfect comps but you get the ideaIf McKenna is hyped as Patrick Kane, Stenberg could be considered Forsberg or Zetterberg. Very few Swedish prospects have scored the way he scored in the SHL this year. Stenberg has outperformed guys like Backstrom, Nylander, Lindholm, Carlsson and many other elite Swedish prospects. And he doesn’t play one-way hockey. His hockey IQ is high and plays two-way hockey. It’s a shame he doesn’t play center but if the battle is between two wingers, Stenberg is the superior all around player. Considering the Leafs have already tried and failed with Nylander as a one-way player, it would be repeating the same mistake all over again. Even if McKenna were the higher offensive output player, we know that when the games matter, what Stenberg brings is more valuable. We have also seen McKenna finish in 2nd (or worse) in the OHL, the WJC and the NCAA when he was considered the best player on the ice amongst his peers. That’s potentially because of his lack of a physical game and a defensive game costs him the games that matter the most. Watching him for Canada, he was the “best” player on the “best” team and did not deliver.
McKenna is not Patrick Kane. The only reason that comparison is appearing is because he punched somebody out in a street fight situation. That comparison is an overshoot. Kane scored 60+ goals in the OHL with 140+ points. He made Sam Gagner and Sergei Kostitsyn look like legit stars and turned them both into 100+ point players. The hype around Kane was that of a legit generational talent. The same can’t be said about McKenna legitimately and the biggest reason for his hype is because he’s the Canadian contender for #1 and the Canadian sports media likes to hype their own guy harder.
In terms of who might dominate the NHL, there’s a strong case to be made for Reid as an offensive, smooth skating, 6’3″ RHD. He could be the next Makar (better than Hischier and Patrick). That, to me, is so much more valuable than a one-way LW. Same could be said about Verhoeff in a different manner as he could be a physically dominating top pair RHD like Ekblad or Hedman. Again, not the “100 point” player but the guy who helps you win when the games matter the most. If the Islanders got to draft 1st overall again in 2009 knowing what they know now, would they take Tavares or Hedman? I’d take Hedman.
It’s not about who will score the most points anymore. It’s about who can you build a winning franchise with and around. You can score all the goals and points you want (in the extreme case like McDavid) but at the end of the season it’s not the singular factor in what builds a winning team anymore.
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If the Canucks are interested in making a trade with San Jose to move to #2, then the Canucks could make a trade to move from #2 to 1. San Jose would probably like to draft a defenseman, but are inclined to draft the best player available. Vancouver is hot after McKenna. The Leafs could try to drag a top prospect or a late 1st rounder from Vancouver to move up to #1. Stenberg could then be taken by the Leafs at #2 and gain an asset for later in the draft or next year. If they do get to that point, do they move Knies to Chicago for #4 plus another late 1st rounder and draft that defenseman that they so covet? Get Stenberg, get their top end defenseman, 2 extra 1st rounders and Stenberg takes Knies spot in the lineup. That’s a quick retool with Matthews and Nylander still on the roster.
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If the Canucks are interested in making a trade with San Jose to move to #2, then the Canucks could make a trade to move from #2 to 1. San Jose would probably like to draft a defenseman, but are inclined to draft the best player available. Vancouver is hot after McKenna. The Leafs could try to drag a top prospect or a late 1st rounder from Vancouver to move up to #1. Stenberg could then be taken by the Leafs at #2 and gain an asset for later in the draft or next year. If they do get to that point, do they move Knies to Chicago for #4 plus another late 1st rounder and draft that defenseman that they so covet? Get Stenberg, get their top end defenseman, 2 extra 1st rounders and Stenberg takes Knies spot in the lineup. That’s a quick retool with Matthews and Nylander still on the roster.
There is no “retool” option. There are too many major flaws with this team. Not a single player in this draft turns this team around the corner in the amount of time Matthews has left on his contract. Trading Knies is the guaranteed path to a full rebuild. An 18 year old will never replace what Knies brings today and that will piss off Matthews.
The only logical option is full tear down and rebuild. Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Tanev, OEL, Carlo, Tavares…all these guys bring you 10-12 1st round picks combined. Trying to “retool” walks them to UFA status and the Leafs spend an extra 5 years trying to get back to the level they could get right now if they blow it all up right now.
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I can’t see them getting 10 to 12 1st rounders, but maybe 6. They would acquire a few top prospects, but without their own first rounders for 2 years, it doesn’t really help. Unless one of the trades are with Philly, to get their 1st back, it’ll be a retool, probably fairly deep, but the stupidity of Treliving sabotaged a true rebuild. You still have to ice a competitive team going forward.
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I can’t see them getting 10 to 12 1st rounders, but maybe 6. They would acquire a few top prospects, but without their own first rounders for 2 years, it doesn’t really help. Unless one of the trades are with Philly, to get their 1st back, it’ll be a retool, probably fairly deep, but the stupidity of Treliving sabotaged a true rebuild. You still have to ice a competitive team going forward.
Nope. If the Leafs play their cards right, they could get anywhere between ten and twelve 1st round picks worth of value and that’s on the low end because there are other ways for the Leafs to accumulate more 1st round picks that Chayka has done before.
For the purpose of this discussion, when I say “1st round pick” it is a means of value. That means it could be a former 1st round pick, a current 1st round pick, a top prospect considered as valuable as a 1st round or a young roster player who was a 1st round pick or equal and significant value. For example, Rantanen cost: Logan Stankoven (young roster player equivalent to a 1st round pick in value), conditional round 1 pick in the 2026 draft, round 3 pick in the 2026 draft, round 3 pick in the 2027 draft and conditional round 1 pick in the 2028 draft. That is considered the same value as three 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks.
Step 1: Decide the goal is to do a full rebuild. The Leafs don’t own their own 1st round pick for 2027 or 2028. That makes tanking good for Boston and Philadelphia. However, if they use the 2027 regular season as a year to rebuild the value of players, they can start the fire sale at the deadline. And yes, one of the deals could be to get the 1st round pick back from Boston or Philadelphia but that depends on the situation those teams are in at the deadline.
Step 2: Trade Matthews. He’s the biggest chip. If Matthews goes around January, absolutely everybody else jumps ship willingly by the deadline.
Step 3: Retain salary on big contracts to increase return. Matthews is incredibly valuable as is. But if he scores 40-50 next year and is 50% retained, that’s extremely valuable to a contender. And if one contender is in on Matthews, multiple others will join the bidding war. The same would happen for Nylander 50% retained. And OEL. And Carlo. And Tanev. And McCabe. Teams always overpay for depth D at the deadline. The Leafs have four pieces, one of which the Leafs themselves pissed away a 1st and a top prospect to acquire last year.
Matthews 50% retained (6.625 AAV until 2028) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Four 1st round picks. Matthews, the 50 goal scorer, is already worth four 1st round picks. At 6.625, he’s worth more. With an extension, he’s worth even more. Four 1st round picks is the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE for that type of value. As many as five or even six pieces could be demanded if a bidding war begins.
Nylander 50% retained (5.75 AAV until 2030) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Three 1st round picks. 40 goal, 80 point player for 5.75 is EASILY worth three 1st round picks, maybe more.
Tanev 50% retained (2.25 AAV until 2030) at the TDL: 1st round pick. Players like Tanev go for a 1st every year. Holding 50% of salary reduces cap hit in case of injury and increases return.
OEL at the TDL: 1st round pick + prospect (High value player, low salary)
McCabe at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st for McCabe)
Carlo at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st + Minten)
Tavares at the TDL: 1st round pick (If Laughton cost a 1st, Tavares would get one easily as a 30 goal, 70 point player and low cap hit)The Leafs, needing to rebuild, won’t need the cap space until beyond 2030 when all those contracts expire and while all the new prospects are on cheap ELC. Leafs could also continue to take on bad contracts for draft picks as Chayka has done many, many times before to reach the cap floor and increase draft capital. If the Leafs take 3 or 4 bad contracts, that could also add up to more 1st / 2nd round picks as we saw the Leafs pay many times to dump the likes of Marleau and Mrazek.
That’s twelve (minimum) 1st round picks for a full tear down fire sale and doesn’t even include 1st round picks the Leafs could bring in for bad contracts.
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If McKenna is hyped as Patrick Kane, Stenberg could be considered Forsberg or Zetterberg. Very few Swedish prospects have scored the way he scored in the SHL this year. Stenberg has outperformed guys like Backstrom, Nylander, Lindholm, Carlsson and many other elite Swedish prospects. And he doesn’t play one-way hockey. His hockey IQ is high and plays two-way hockey. It’s a shame he doesn’t play center but if the battle is between two wingers, Stenberg is the superior all around player. Considering the Leafs have already tried and failed with Nylander as a one-way player, it would be repeating the same mistake all over again. Even if McKenna were the higher offensive output player, we know that when the games matter, what Stenberg brings is more valuable. We have also seen McKenna finish in 2nd (or worse) in the OHL, the WJC and the NCAA when he was considered the best player on the ice amongst his peers. That’s potentially because of his lack of a physical game and a defensive game costs him the games that matter the most. Watching him for Canada, he was the “best” player on the “best” team and did not deliver.
McKenna is not Patrick Kane. The only reason that comparison is appearing is because he punched somebody out in a street fight situation. That comparison is an overshoot. Kane scored 60+ goals in the OHL with 140+ points. He made Sam Gagner and Sergei Kostitsyn look like legit stars and turned them both into 100+ point players. The hype around Kane was that of a legit generational talent. The same can’t be said about McKenna legitimately and the biggest reason for his hype is because he’s the Canadian contender for #1 and the Canadian sports media likes to hype their own guy harder.
In terms of who might dominate the NHL, there’s a strong case to be made for Reid as an offensive, smooth skating, 6’3″ RHD. He could be the next Makar (better than Hischier and Patrick). That, to me, is so much more valuable than a one-way LW. Same could be said about Verhoeff in a different manner as he could be a physically dominating top pair RHD like Ekblad or Hedman. Again, not the “100 point” player but the guy who helps you win when the games matter the most. If the Islanders got to draft 1st overall again in 2009 knowing what they know now, would they take Tavares or Hedman? I’d take Hedman.
It’s not about who will score the most points anymore. It’s about who can you build a winning franchise with and around. You can score all the goals and points you want (in the extreme case like McDavid) but at the end of the season it’s not the singular factor in what builds a winning team anymore.
I am not talking about hype, just the scoring upside and type of player. But Zetterberg is also a comp for Stenberg.
Kane did score 62 goals and 145 points, but in his age 17-18 season.
Mckenna had 129 points in the WHL in his age 16-17 Season. He was over 1 year younger. Its hard to compare his NCAA season to Kane last OHL season.I am not advocating for anyone, my comments are on just what I feel the Leafs will do. But ultimately I have no idea, Chayka can be a wild card sometimes.
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Should do and can do are two different things. First, you know MLS&E won’t stand for a full rebuild. They have shareholders to keep happy and a shinny new National Cable package that brings in advertising revenue. The Maple Leafs are the NHL’s most valuable team in regards to revenue sharing. If people don’t come, because the team is in the shitter for 5+ years, that can be an issue for the league. My best bet is a fairly deep retool. They may indeed move Matthews and Nylander, but they’ll want NHL caliber talent coming back, as well as draft capital. The team won’t wait for three years to be a playoff team again. My guess is they’ll be into free agency and build around their current defensive core and goaltending. Their goaltending depth is also an asset. They could easily flip Woll for a first rounder and never miss a beat. Stolarz and Hildeby would suffice as a tandem that makes them competitive next year. Would I like a true rebuild? Sure, but MLS&E won’t. Best case scenario is seeing them acquire another early 1st rounder this year, to go with number 1 and play the longer game of moving assets at the trade deadline, next year. That allows them to short their own first rounder to Philly, next year, forcing it to be in the 15 to 20 range, while securing a better first from another team. Do that and the Boston pick may be irrelevant.
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Should do and can do are two different things. First, you know MLS&E won’t stand for a full rebuild. They have shareholders to keep happy and a shinny new National Cable package that brings in advertising revenue. The Maple Leafs are the NHL’s most valuable team in regards to revenue sharing. If people don’t come, because the team is in the shitter for 5+ years, that can be an issue for the league. My best bet is a fairly deep retool. They may indeed move Matthews and Nylander, but they’ll want NHL caliber talent coming back, as well as draft capital. The team won’t wait for three years to be a playoff team again. My guess is they’ll be into free agency and build around their current defensive core and goaltending. Their goaltending depth is also an asset. They could easily flip Woll for a first rounder and never miss a beat. Stolarz and Hildeby would suffice as a tandem that makes them competitive next year. Would I like a true rebuild? Sure, but MLS&E won’t. Best case scenario is seeing them acquire another early 1st rounder this year, to go with number 1 and play the longer game of moving assets at the trade deadline, next year. That allows them to short their own first rounder to Philly, next year, forcing it to be in the 15 to 20 range, while securing a better first from another team. Do that and the Boston pick may be irrelevant.
The leafs sucked then tanked and got Nylander, Marner and Matthews in the process even they did not do a full tear down then, they kept Kadri and Rielly.
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This is Pronmans Top 5
1 Chase Reid – Player Comp Seth Jones
2 Alberts Smits – Player Comp Jakob Chychrun
3 Keaton Verhoeff – Player Comp Aaron Ekblad
4 Gavin McKenna – Player Comp Artemi Panarin
5 Ivar Stenberg – Player Comp Jake GuentzelReid is a talented defenseman with a lot of offensive tools. He has the speed, hands, vision and shot to generate chances and be a leading scorer for an NHL team. Reid can create in transition and off the blue line with his feet and creativity, showing high-end improvisation skills. Reid isn’t overly physical, but he works hard enough and makes plenty of stops due to his reach, feet and compete level even while playing an aggressive style of play offensively. He projects as a major minutes NHL defenseman who can run a first power play.
McKenna possesses off-the-charts puck skills, vision and overall offensive creativity. He’s a strong skater who can generate a ton of chances with pace. He’s a pass-first player who projects to run a power play at a high level due to his elite playmaking ability. He’s not overly physical and can be pushed to the outside too much, but despite his frustrating tendencies, coaches still tend to play him a ton at every level. He projects as a top-line winger who can run a PP1
Stenberg is an electric offensive talent. He’s a high-end puck handler, passer and shooter who can make difficult plays with the puck routinely and is a natural scorer. He isn’t that big or mean, but he works hard and has shown he can win battles against men. His frame and good (but not great) small-guy skating will be concerns on his NHL projection. He could be a top-line winger.
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Should do and can do are two different things. First, you know MLS&E won’t stand for a full rebuild. They have shareholders to keep happy and a shinny new National Cable package that brings in advertising revenue. The Maple Leafs are the NHL’s most valuable team in regards to revenue sharing. If people don’t come, because the team is in the shitter for 5+ years, that can be an issue for the league. My best bet is a fairly deep retool. They may indeed move Matthews and Nylander, but they’ll want NHL caliber talent coming back, as well as draft capital. The team won’t wait for three years to be a playoff team again. My guess is they’ll be into free agency and build around their current defensive core and goaltending. Their goaltending depth is also an asset. They could easily flip Woll for a first rounder and never miss a beat. Stolarz and Hildeby would suffice as a tandem that makes them competitive next year. Would I like a true rebuild? Sure, but MLS&E won’t. Best case scenario is seeing them acquire another early 1st rounder this year, to go with number 1 and play the longer game of moving assets at the trade deadline, next year. That allows them to short their own first rounder to Philly, next year, forcing it to be in the 15 to 20 range, while securing a better first from another team. Do that and the Boston pick may be irrelevant.
The Leafs have and will do a rebuild again. The seats will still be sold. The Leafs will still make more money than God.
Retool is not an option. If Matthews decides he’s finished with this team, everybody else is gone and a full rebuild occurs.
The reality is, Matthews benefits more from leaving and so do the Leafs. It’s a win-win for both sides. This team can’t be fixed. It’s littered with problems and not enough assets or time to fix it.
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The leafs sucked then tanked and got Nylander, Marner and Matthews in the process even they did not do a full tear down then, they kept Kadri and Rielly.
They are in an even more precarious position now since they dont have 2027/28 firsts. So yeah, they wont be doing a full tear down. And I dont think they need to now, at least until you see how Matthews plays out.Keeping Kadri and Rielly would be like the Leafs keeping Knies and Cowan. It was a full rebuild, they kept every young piece they had.
They absolutely have to rebuild. Matthews should want to leave too. Too many holes, not enough assets and not enough time. It’s mutually beneficial to trade Matthews.
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I am not talking about hype, just the scoring upside and type of player. But Zetterberg is also a comp for Stenberg.
Kane did score 62 goals and 145 points, but in his age 17-18 season.
Mckenna had 129 points in the WHL in his age 16-17 Season. He was over 1 year younger. Its hard to compare his NCAA season to Kane last OHL season.I am not advocating for anyone, my comments are on just what I feel the Leafs will do. But ultimately I have no idea, Chayka can be a wild card sometimes.
Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
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Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
I’m not convinced that San Jose would take Stenberg at #2. They may be looking at either trading down to #4 or taking a defenseman at #2. The Leafs could chance it, trading down to #3, if they get a top prospect or another 1st from Vancouver. The Leafs might even try to put Rielly into the trade to gain another prospect or a player they could use. Vancouver really wants to make a splash and bring in McKenna. Make them pay like other franchises made the Leafs pay, when they were after talent.
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Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
I’m not convinced that San Jose would take Stenberg at #2. They may be looking at either trading down to #4 or taking a defenseman at #2. The Leafs could chance it, trading down to #3, if they get a top prospect or another 1st from Vancouver. The Leafs might even try to put Rielly into the trade to gain another prospect or a player they could use. Vancouver really wants to make a splash and bring in McKenna. Make them pay like other franchises made the Leafs pay, when they were after talent.
this is my proposal
Van gets – #1 pick (Mckenna), Rielly
Tor gets – #3 pick (Stenberg/Ried), E PettersonLeafs still get a skilled top 6 player who can contribute now. and either Stenberg or the D they need Ried.
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Another draft ranking. mainly just based on draft years production.
doesnt make the decision any easier. Stay #1, trade down…who to pickMcKenna did see a drop off in his equivalency from his D-1 to his DY, and as you probably know I don’t like drop offs from your D-1 to DY because the historical data is not kind to it. But McKenna dropped off from one of the absolute highest D-1 equivalencies ever recorded to one in the top 0.01% for DY equivalencies. He switched leagues in his DY (which very few have done before him) to a league that is ~50% harder in competition than the WHL. So I am not concerned about this drop off. Had he stayed in the WHL, he probably would have eclipsed his D-1 equivalency (57), and put up close to 3 points a game.
All that to say… McKenna has the elite, elite model profile that I love. The ‘certain superstar’ profile where every forward drafted before him that looked somewhat similar (D-1 NHLe of 40+, DY NHLe of 50+) has turned into a superstar (a point per game or beyond). Bedard, Celebrini, Hughes, Matthews, McDavid, Eichel, Kane, Crosby… they all looked like this.
He profiles almost exactly like Patrick Kane
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this is my proposal
Van gets – #1 pick (Mckenna), Rielly
Tor gets – #3 pick (Stenberg/Ried), E PettersonLeafs still get a skilled top 6 player who can contribute now. and either Stenberg or the D they need Ried.
Van gets flashy #1 pick and 3/4 DEW. No. Pettersson absolutely sucks. 15 goals, 50 points and -30. That’s a good plan if you want to tank harder.
The Sedins took over VAN now so they’re going to cook him some Swedish meatballs and won’t trade him or his horrible contract.
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Another draft ranking. mainly just based on draft years production.
doesnt make the decision any easier. Stay #1, trade down…who to pickReid compared to Doughty. Verhoeff compared to Pronger. I mean, this guy seems to just be calling for home runs from everybody and relies heavily on offensive stats while defense and intangibles seem to not matter as much. If that’s the case, the Leafs are still better off with trading down and taking the RHD.
Leafs have failed many times trying to build a team with guys like McKenna (Kessel, Nylander, Tavares etc.). Rather have the 18 year old top pair RHD and worry about acquiring the offense from trading Matthews and Nylander.
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If they’re going to trade one of Nylander or Matthews, I’d have them trade Nylander. He has a longer contract and has a bit of an attitude. He’s pretty one dimensional, compared to Matthews. At least Matthews wins faceoffs and plays a better defensive game. It all depends on the return. Leafs should explore the trade for 1st to 3rd, but it should cost Vancouver a top prospect or first rounder. See if they’ll take Rielly and give us at least a 2nd rounder for him. Another shit season for Vancouver and that 2nd will be like a late first.
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Reid compared to Doughty. Verhoeff compared to Pronger. I mean, this guy seems to just be calling for home runs from everybody and relies heavily on offensive stats while defense and intangibles seem to not matter as much. If that’s the case, the Leafs are still better off with trading down and taking the RHD.
Leafs have failed many times trying to build a team with guys like McKenna (Kessel, Nylander, Tavares etc.). Rather have the 18 year old top pair RHD and worry about acquiring the offense from trading Matthews and Nylander.
any draft comps are going to put out the best case scenario for the player type.
the other comps for Ried was Seth jones.I looked at all the Dmen taken in the 2010-2019 drafts, i would say there were about 9 or 10 true top pair #1 D out of 32, so roughly a 30% chance.
If you end up with a pretty good D, 2/3/4 range..still good but not worth a #1 pick. Dmen are riskyLeafs got Rielly #5, good player but never a #1
I dont care if they trade down and pick one of the D, but it has to be a sure thing, and thats not possible.
Id offer #1 for say Moritz Seider, stud RHD. had some of the best defensive metrics.
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You know, as a late 50’s Western Canadian and an outsider looking in, it’s somewhat fascinating to watch the Leaf organization over the past 40 years. In recent years, the Shanaplan years, they played some good hockey for y’all but they never accomplished anything of note. Just so many poor decisions and a flawed roster resulted. Now you seem to be between a rock and a hard place, do you start over again or do you continue to chase with a flawed roster.
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here are some stats for Mckenna, it looks like his start in NCAA really brought him back to the pack. But he took off in the 2nd half.
if he stayed in the WHL, I dont think it would even be a discussion who should go #1.All the draft stuff iv consumed (a lot) just says, dont over think this, draft Mckenna
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You know, as a late 50’s Western Canadian and an outsider looking in, it’s somewhat fascinating to watch the Leaf organization over the past 40 years. In recent years, the Shanaplan years, they played some good hockey for y’all but they never accomplished anything of note. Just so many poor decisions and a flawed roster resulted. Now you seem to be between a rock and a hard place, do you start over again or do you continue to chase with a flawed roster.
I think landing the #1 pick makes the decision for them, at least in the short term 2 years (AM contract)
I also think how dire the leafs situation is, is being overstated, its the trendy thing to do right now.the Matthews wants to leave narrative is also softening already, I never bought into it, to me it was just like Mcdavid last year.. they wanted change and to see that the team wants to win.
They can trade Matthews, but will never have a player like him again, and will never get anywhere close to fair value.Berube fired I think for AM was a big part, he stunk and so did AM with him as coach.
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There are a lot of examples in recent years where the #1 pick was not the best player in the draft. Given the Leafs situation, they need to explore trading down and acquiring more assets because the cupboard is so bare and the rebuild is right around the corner.
2010: Hall vs Seguin. Seguin won.
2011: Nugent-Hopkins vs. Landeskog. Landeskog won.
2012: Yakupov vs Everybody else. Yakupov sucked.
2013: MacKinnon vs Barkov. MacKinnon has scored more points and goals but Barkov has more Cups (way better two-way player too).
2014: Ekblad vs. Reinhart. They won Cups together eventually. #3 Draisaitl way more goals and points than both. Florida with the #1, #2 and #4 (Bennett) pick. Leafs should do the same.
2015: McDavid vs. Eichel. Best player in the world is McDavid, no doubt, but Eichel has the Cup and chasing a 2nd this year.
2016: Matthews vs. Laine. Matthews has the best regular season stats but Tkachuk went 6th and he’s got a Cup.
2017: Hischier vs Patrick. Makar went 4th. Clearly the best player from the draft. Heiskanen went 3rd.
2018: Dahlin vs Svechnikov. Quinn Hughes went 7th.The “don’t over think it” idea is exactly what they said about some of these other guys at #1 and we can clearly see which teams got the best players or the “winners”.
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I can see getting a large haul for Matthews, if you look at the California teams. Each one has a good reason to bid large on Matthews. San Jose is about to go the way the Habs did. Draft well for 5 years and stockpile young talent. When it comes together, you’re an instant contender. Matthews would put San Jose into a playoff spot, trending up. They have the #2 pick and add Michael Misa, a good young center, plus another 1st to get it done. This year, Anaheim made a push, and with one more great piece, they could easily see themselves in a Conference final. They too have a number of good, young players on their roster, with Mason McTavish being a player of interest the Leafs should target. A young Center with the grit and determination to put beside a McKenna or Stenberg. Add two first rounders and make the deal. The Kings need to replace their longtime Captain, Anze Kopitar, who retired. To stay competitive with their West Coast rivals, they need to make this deal. Quinton Byfield would be a must, as well as 2 first rounders to make it work. Best deal wins.
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I think landing the #1 pick makes the decision for them, at least in the short term 2 years (AM contract)
I also think how dire the leafs situation is, is being overstated, its the trendy thing to do right now.the Matthews wants to leave narrative is also softening already, I never bought into it, to me it was just like Mcdavid last year.. they wanted change and to see that the team wants to win.
They can trade Matthews, but will never have a player like him again, and will never get anywhere close to fair value.Berube fired I think for AM was a big part, he stunk and so did AM with him as coach.
It’s not overstated. It’s actually understated because people are waking up to how fucked this team is but the Leafs themselves are still stuck in this bullshit PR story about a retool.
It’s not trendy. It’s damn accurate. The Leafs have no farm system, they have no draft capital, they have an aging team with a trash blueline that can’t be fixed. They also have a star player who seems unhappy and rapidly approaching free agency. The last time the Leafs played with that fire, they got 3rd degree burns as we can see Marner leading the playoffs in scoring while the Leafs sit as the 5th worst team in the NHL. Their goalies are generally unhealthy and their depth is non-existent. That’s not trendy thoughts. That’s reality.
Matthews should want to leave. It’s in his best interest to get the fuck out of Toronto ASAP. It’s better for his career, better for his UFA status and probably better for his odds of winning a Cup if he joins a REAL contender. McDavid is not comparable. He went to the Cup Final twice in a row. He has faith in his core guys still. Matthews has nothing in Toronto to fight for anymore. They already ran his best playmaker out of town and clearly the team sucks without him.
Berube was a problem but the Leafs have been through a lot of coaches with no real difference. They all lost when it counted because this group of guys doesn’t work.
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The “don’t over think it” idea is exactly what they said about some of these other guys at #1 and we can clearly see which teams got the best players or the “winners”.
It all depends on the offers for McKenna at #1. If the offers are underwhelming, then you just make the pick. If Vancouver wants to get creative, then make a deal that brings you #3, a top prospect, or an extra #1 pick, this year or next. I could see San Jose dangling their 2nd overall, because they want a star defenseman. They too can see the need to grab the best defenseman in the draft. The Leafs really can’t lose if they trade the #1 for #3 plus a top prospect or another 1st. You either get Stenberg or your choice of the 3 defensemen coming behind San Jose, or getting Stenberg. It just needs to make sense. It’s time the Leafs went full blown mercenary and defrock a desperate team trying to look relevant. Vancouver and Chicago are ripe for the picking. Vancouver, because they need someone to sell to their fanbase as a number 1 overall pick and Chicago who needs to start moving up the standings with Connor Bedard wasting his younger years on a team not in contention.
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The “don’t over think it” idea is exactly what they said about some of these other guys at #1 and we can clearly see which teams got the best players or the “winners”.
It all depends on the offers for McKenna at #1. If the offers are underwhelming, then you just make the pick. If Vancouver wants to get creative, then make a deal that brings you #3, a top prospect, or an extra #1 pick, this year or next. I could see San Jose dangling their 2nd overall, because they want a star defenseman. They too can see the need to grab the best defenseman in the draft. The Leafs really can’t lose if they trade the #1 for #3 plus a top prospect or another 1st. You either get Stenberg or your choice of the 3 defensemen coming behind San Jose, or getting Stenberg. It just needs to make sense. It’s time the Leafs went full blown mercenary and defrock a desperate team trying to look relevant. Vancouver and Chicago are ripe for the picking. Vancouver, because they need someone to sell to their fanbase as a number 1 overall pick and Chicago who needs to start moving up the standings with Connor Bedard wasting his younger years on a team not in contention.
SJ can take one of the D, but i dont see that player making a difference for a few years. looking at the top 10,you can go back to 2020 and maybe 1 Dman has turned into a top pairing D. (Sanderson)
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It’s not overstated. It’s actually understated because people are waking up to how fucked this team is but the Leafs themselves are still stuck in this bullshit PR story about a retool.
I get it. The problem is, they won’t listen. They couldn’t care less about what the fans really think. Oh, sure, they’ll pay lip service as they always have. It’s about money, and nothing but. They need the TV revenue for Rogers Sportsnet. They probably took a whack, when the Leafs were spiraling towards the bottom. Their bottom line screamed, “fix this, we need the money!” Letting Berube go meant losing the equivalent of 2 playoff gates, for his paid out salary. The may get that back, if Berube ends up in Edmonton. In their minds, they make that up if the Leafs go to the playoffs and get swept. They lose huge if the Leafs suck again and miss the playoffs. Of course, a shiny new star player buys them some time and more eyes watching the team. It’s in their interest to just retool, use free agency and make some trades to stay in contention. Championships be damned, just keep the fanbase watching, no matter what. If you believe that they’re going to rebuild, you’d be sadly mistaken. Matts was brought in to be the face of the team, so Rogers and Pelly could hide behind the curtain, while pulling the strings.
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SJ can take one of the D, but i dont see that player making a difference for a few years. looking at the top 10,you can go back to 2020 and maybe 1 Dman has turned into a top pairing D. (Sanderson)
They might be better off trying to trade the pick for a more established D to step in nowI don’t see a team, with a good young defenseman with a for sale sign around his neck. You either gamble, or go into free agency. Of course, a hockey trade could happen, but it’ll take more than the #1 pick to get a top end defenseman. You have to draft them. My thinking is move Matthews, bring back a Misa or a McTavish and a couple of other pieces. The #1 is a lottery ticket. You can move down and gain 2 or 3 good pieces, if you play your cards right. Number 3 gets you a) Stenberg, b)The Top defensive prospect. The rest of the deal gives you a high end prospect for moving down. UG makes some sense on that one. Either way, you still end up with a Grade A prospect and possibly more.
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It’s not overstated. It’s actually understated because people are waking up to how fucked this team is but the Leafs themselves are still stuck in this bullshit PR story about a retool.
I get it. The problem is, they won’t listen. They couldn’t care less about what the fans really think. Oh, sure, they’ll pay lip service as they always have. It’s about money, and nothing but. They need the TV revenue for Rogers Sportsnet. They probably took a whack, when the Leafs were spiraling towards the bottom. Their bottom line screamed, “fix this, we need the money!” Letting Berube go meant losing the equivalent of 2 playoff gates, for his paid out salary. The may get that back, if Berube ends up in Edmonton. In their minds, they make that up if the Leafs go to the playoffs and get swept. They lose huge if the Leafs suck again and miss the playoffs. Of course, a shiny new star player buys them some time and more eyes watching the team. It’s in their interest to just retool, use free agency and make some trades to stay in contention. Championships be damned, just keep the fanbase watching, no matter what. If you believe that they’re going to rebuild, you’d be sadly mistaken. Matts was brought in to be the face of the team, so Rogers and Pelly could hide behind the curtain, while pulling the strings.
That’s up to Chayka and Matthews. If Chayka decides, it’s full rebuild time, what is Pelley going to do? Fire him after just hiring him? And if he does fire him or block his ability to rebuild, the average fan revolts after the rumors leak that Pelley is holding the team back from something a lot of the fans actually want to happen.
Nothing increases franchise value (the thing they actually want, not year to year revenue) more than winning a Cup. The path to that Cup does not run through a bullshit re-tool.
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SJ can take one of the D, but i dont see that player making a difference for a few years. looking at the top 10,you can go back to 2020 and maybe 1 Dman has turned into a top pairing D. (Sanderson)
They might be better off trying to trade the pick for a more established D to step in nowSan Jose and Chicago are way more likely to be looking to acquire current star players like Matthews and Nylander than they are any kind of 18 year old that isn’t a generational talent. This draft has zero obvious, consensus generational talents.
Matthews to San Jose works if the right pieces come back to the Leafs like Smith or Misa + an unprotected 2027 1st and 2nd overall as a starting point. If the Leafs retain 50% salary (which they definitely should) that price increases. That price also increases when other contenders catch wind of the opportunity to get Matthews @ 50% retained.
Nylander could accept a trade to Chicago considering his dad did play there so he might have some familiarity with the market. It’s pretty similar to Toronto in terms of being a total shit city run by morons ravaged by crime and corruption so he might find it exciting and easy to score his nose candy. Chicago could give up #4 + an unprotected 2027 1st round pick and at least one other top prospect or asset.
Leafs then trade down 1st overall with Vanpoover for 3rd overall and acquire 24th overall (JP Hurlbert).
Or trade the 1st from Colorado+ for 25th overall to draft the Ruck twins.
Leafs draft Stenberg #2, Malhotra #3 and Reid or Verhoeff #4.
Plus, Misa (or Smith) and have two 2027 1st round picks that could be lottery picks if San Jose or Chicago fall flat on their faces.
Trade OEL, Tanev (retained), McCabe, Carlo and Tavares at the trade deadline for five 1st round picks.
Acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks.
Knies | Misa | 2027 1st (Chicago)
Stenberg | Malhotra | Cowan
1st (Tavares) | M. Ruck | L. Ruck (JP Hurlbert)
1st (Tanev) | 1st (Bad contract) | 1st (Bad contract)2027 1st (San Jose) | Reid (Verhoeff)
1st (McCabe) | 1st (OEL)
1st (Carlo) | DanfordRebuild. Hard.
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Still have to ice a competitive team. You can have as many first’s as you like, but if you don’t have seasoned pro’s, who can they learn from? It means a struggle for the youth coming in. It’s easy to comprehend, when you do it your head. It’s different, when you have to keep shareholders, media companies who pay the rights fees, and the Season ticket holders. In reality, it’s not doable as long as corporate interests have the hammer. If they could even do half of what you say, it would be a successful rebuild. If I had a choice between Nylander and Matthews, I move Nylander. You can always get more for Matthews a year from now.
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Still have to ice a competitive team. You can have as many first’s as you like, but if you don’t have seasoned pro’s, who can they learn from? It means a struggle for the youth coming in. It’s easy to comprehend, when you do it your head. It’s different, when you have to keep shareholders, media companies who pay the rights fees, and the Season ticket holders. In reality, it’s not doable as long as corporate interests have the hammer. If they could even do half of what you say, it would be a successful rebuild. If I had a choice between Nylander and Matthews, I move Nylander. You can always get more for Matthews a year from now.
Nah they don’t. Seats are already sold and paid for with a list of thousands to replace anybody that leaves. This idea that the Leafs can’t be bad has already been disproven the last rebuild where they were known to be a trash team for years with the intention of drafting as high as possible. If anybody can afford to absolutely suck and still turn a huge profit, it’s the Leafs.
They can fill the roster with 1-2 year contracts that they offload at the deadline and sprinkle in Marlies to give any of their undiscovered talents a time to prove themselves. They could continue to give Cowan more ice time and even keep Robertson another year or two to see if he can inflate his value so you can trade him down the road for a profit. If anything, a team filled with Marlies, outcasts and rentals would at least give you an honest effort every night even if they do lose in the end.
Literally everything you said about shareholders and media is wrong in this case. The media owns the team. They could easily use that to their advantage to keep the sheep pacified. The shareholders don’t give a flying fuck about year to year revenue (not that it would decrease anyway) in the big picture of investment. They care about long term franchise value. If you buy a house for 1 million dollars, you don’t rely on rent to turn you a profit. The rent keeps the mortgage paid. 10 years down the road, you sell the house for 1.5 million and that’s where the profit comes from. That’s how NHL franchises work. And nothing makes the Leafs more valuable than winning a Stanley Cup.
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https://x.com/SEllisHockey/status/2058265840147968099
Stenberg is doing some impressive stuff with Sweden.
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https://x.com/SEllisHockey/status/2058265840147968099
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Marner played a team high, 23:59 with two more assists in a come from behind victory after they were down 3-0 after the 1st period. Vegas is locking down the best team in the NHL when it matters most.
These idiots that doubted Torts are looking dumber by the day. Vegas is ruthless but they’re effective.
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Domi had surgery and is out indefinitely. So that may solve the domi problem itself
Chayka loves Domi. He’s not going anywhere.
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Chayka loves Domi. He’s not going anywhere.
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Im sure Domi is a fine person to hang out with
he can hang with Chayka up in the box.He will hang with him after the games when he’s done playing.
Love how the retards were raging nobody defended Matthews but are so quick to jettison the one guy that did.
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He will hang with him after the games when he’s done playing.
Love how the retards were raging nobody defended Matthews but are so quick to jettison the one guy that did.
sounds like he wont be ready for the season, and indefinitely leaves to door open for a longer absence.
I dont care if he stood up for him, get better players who do the same but are not disasters defensively but also can contribute more than 30 points.
hes a tweener who is not good enough to play top line with Matthews (or anyone) and not good enough def. to play 3/4 line not to mention to expensive for all that he brings.you like plus minus he was -29. At least JT scores 30 goals and 70 points for his deficiencies
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doing the trading down exercise, I saw this on another website.
Trade the 1st overall pick in previous drafts for 3rd OA plus a late 1st and prospect. etc.
go back and see how it would turn out.spoiler, keeping #1 and taking the best player is the best option for pretty much the last 15 drafts.
clear exceptions are. ignoring all the drafts a D was taken #1, the Leafs biggest “need” by most accounts a dman2020 Jake Sanderson vs Lafreniere
2017 Heiskanen / Makar vs Hischier2023 Just some example, would you rather have Bedard or say, first D picked…Reinbacher and E Cowan plus another depth prospect?
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Domi had surgery and is out indefinitely. So that may solve the domi problem itself
Well, not to go FULL UG on you, it’s only delayed for now.
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doing the trading down exercise, I saw this on another website.
Trade the 1st overall pick in previous drafts for 3rd OA plus a late 1st and prospect. etc.
go back and see how it would turn out.spoiler, keeping #1 and taking the best player is the best option for pretty much the last 15 drafts.
clear exceptions are. ignoring all the drafts a D was taken #1, the Leafs biggest “need” by most accounts a dman2020 Jake Sanderson vs Lafreniere
2017 Heiskanen / Makar vs Hischier2023 Just some example, would you rather have Bedard or say, first D picked…Reinbacher and E Cowan plus another depth prospect?
2019 Jack Hughes or Bowen Byram plus Connor McMichael plus another depth prospectWrong again. There are plenty of 1st overall busts and plenty of recent examples where the best player from the draft was not 1st overall.
2010: Hall vs Seguin. Seguin won.
2011: Nugent-Hopkins vs. Landeskog. Landeskog won.
2012: Yakupov vs Everybody else. Yakupov sucked.
2013: MacKinnon vs Barkov. MacKinnon has scored more points and goals but Barkov has more Cups (way better two-way player too).
2014: Ekblad vs. Reinhart. They won Cups together eventually. #3 Draisaitl way more goals and points than both. Florida with the #1, #2 and #4 (Bennett) pick. Leafs should do the same.
2015: McDavid vs. Eichel. Best player in the world is McDavid, no doubt, but Eichel has the Cup and chasing a 2nd this year.
2016: Matthews vs. Laine. Matthews has the best regular season stats but Tkachuk went 6th and he’s got a Cup.
2017: Hischier vs Patrick. Makar went 4th. Clearly the best player from the draft. Heiskanen went 3rd.
2018: Dahlin vs Svechnikov. Quinn Hughes went 7th.
2019: J. Hughes. Seider has been better at 6th overall. Caufield was 15th overall and has more goals. Boldy was 12th overall and comparable.
2020: Lafreniere. Stutzle (3rd), Raymond (4th) and Jarvis (13th) have all been better players.If the Leafs scouting department is good at what they do, they could easily trade down and get the better combination of players by trading down.
The only way the argument for “keep 1st overall” is if the draft yielded an actual generational talent like McDavid. McKenna is not McDavid. He has serious flaws in his game. Flaws that this franchise has dealt with and failed with in the past. The Leafs would be retarded to repeat the same mistakes again expecting different results.
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sounds like he wont be ready for the season, and indefinitely leaves to door open for a longer absence.
I dont care if he stood up for him, get better players who do the same but are not disasters defensively but also can contribute more than 30 points.
hes a tweener who is not good enough to play top line with Matthews (or anyone) and not good enough def. to play 3/4 line not to mention to expensive for all that he brings.you like plus minus he was -29. At least JT scores 30 goals and 70 points for his deficiencies
Domi is trash defensively. There’s never been a doubt about that. He was -29, Tavares -28 and Knies was -30. Clearly, there’s a problem there defensively with these guys.
The issue is, in either scenario, whether the Leafs retardedly retool or they rebuild, Domi provides a service and a value.
First of all, he actually wants to play in Toronto, which is going to become more and more rare as the team gets worse and worse and Toronto in general becomes a less desirable place to play.
Secondly, he plays hard when the games matter. If the Leafs find themselves back in the playoffs, by some miracle, Domi brings heart and determination that win you important games if used correctly.
Third, he sticks up for his teammates and plays with passion. If the Leafs rebuild, that’s the type of guy you need around the younger players. You also want him to get increased ice time so that A) the team loses and B) the Leafs have a player with some padded stats you can trade at a deadline for draft capital when his contract expires.
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Wrong again. There are plenty of 1st overall busts and plenty of recent examples where the best player from the draft was not 1st overall.
2010: Hall vs Seguin. Seguin won.
2011: Nugent-Hopkins vs. Landeskog. Landeskog won.
2012: Yakupov vs Everybody else. Yakupov sucked.
2013: MacKinnon vs Barkov. MacKinnon has scored more points and goals but Barkov has more Cups (way better two-way player too).
2014: Ekblad vs. Reinhart. They won Cups together eventually. #3 Draisaitl way more goals and points than both. Florida with the #1, #2 and #4 (Bennett) pick. Leafs should do the same.
2015: McDavid vs. Eichel. Best player in the world is McDavid, no doubt, but Eichel has the Cup and chasing a 2nd this year.
2016: Matthews vs. Laine. Matthews has the best regular season stats but Tkachuk went 6th and he’s got a Cup.
2017: Hischier vs Patrick. Makar went 4th. Clearly the best player from the draft. Heiskanen went 3rd.
2018: Dahlin vs Svechnikov. Quinn Hughes went 7th.
2019: J. Hughes. Seider has been better at 6th overall. Caufield was 15th overall and has more goals. Boldy was 12th overall and comparable.
2020: Lafreniere. Stutzle (3rd), Raymond (4th) and Jarvis (13th) have all been better players.If the Leafs scouting department is good at what they do, they could easily trade down and get the better combination of players by trading down.
The only way the argument for “keep 1st overall” is if the draft yielded an actual generational talent like McDavid. McKenna is not McDavid. He has serious flaws in his game. Flaws that this franchise has dealt with and failed with in the past. The Leafs would be retarded to repeat the same mistakes again expecting different results.
missing the point again of course. Trading down to pick a D. that the the Leafs need more ..according to a lot of people.
its not Nugent-Hopkins vs. Landeskog, which is dumb thats basically a toss up. but it would be Nugent-Hopkins vs trading down to #4 to select Adam Larsson. the first D taken, or whoever was the projected top D in the draft.
also, I wouldnt care if my team to RNH or Landeskog, both ended up as good NHLs players. worth the picks. 1000 points for RNHNo team is good enough to know for sure that trading down from #1 to 3 or 4 to select a D is the right move. its way to risky and based on all info..will end up looking really bad
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Well, not to go FULL UG on you, it’s only delayed for now.
I wonder if Domi a had a core surgery simular to what Jarnkrok had and re-aggrevated something.it was a weird. out indefinitely, complications after surgery and likely wont be ready. sounds like someone who may end up ltir.
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missing the point again of course. Trading down to pick a D. that the the Leafs need more ..according to a lot of people.
its not Nugent-Hopkins vs. Landeskog, which is dumb thats basically a toss up. but it would be Nugent-Hopkins vs trading down to #4 to select Adam Larsson. the first D taken, or whoever was the projected top D in the draft.
also, I wouldnt care if my team to RNH or Landeskog, both ended up as good NHLs players. worth the picks. 1000 points for RNHNo team is good enough to know for sure that trading down from #1 to 3 or 4 to select a D is the right move. its way to risky and based on all info..will end up looking really bad
Again, missing the clear examples of guys like Seider, Makar and Hughes NOT going 1st overall in recent years and yet being better than whoever was drafted 1st overall.
This draft could easily be one of those years where the defects with McKenna (small, questionable drive, no defense, winger, one-dimensional) make it much easier for the Leafs to trade down and not regret it as the top end D in this draft are rather strong and provide the Leafs with attributes they don’t have and have struggled to acquire.
McKenna < 3rd + 24th overall or 5th + 26th overall.
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Again, missing the clear examples of guys like Seider, Makar and Hughes NOT going 1st overall in recent years and yet being better than whoever was drafted 1st overall.
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I said 2017 Makar year right in my post? why so dense?
Also, I said ignoring all the drafts a D was taken #1, as they Leafs would have taken a D #1 that year also.
and Dahlin vs Q hughes is close. Both top pair #1, nobody would have traded down from Dahlin to take Hughes that year. so thats a dumb point. besides like I fucking mentioned, that year is excluded because a D was #1 anyway.you just argue for the sake if it, dont care to read or actually have a normal discussion, you have to have an enemy at all times to feel value, its sad
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saw this scouting report.
Scouting Report: Agile, fearless offensive dynamo who can work wonders on the powerplay; owns perhaps the best set of hands in the draft. As with all players in this mold, the slight forward is at his best on the powerplay, capable of single-handedly generating goals. Even strength is the problem, with backchecking the furthest thing from his mind. And at his small size, that willingness to fly into danger may pose injury problems down the road.
worth taking #1?
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McKenna < 3rd + 24th overall or 5th + 26th overall.
That would make sense, or 3rd and a top prospect from last year. Picking 3rd nets you either Stenberg or your choice of the best available defenseman. I’m not sold at San Jose taking another forward, when their need is defense. It appears that #2 or #3 is going to be a defenseman. If the deal is right, you make that trade. I also hear rumors that Nylander is on the block. I wonder if San Jose or Chicago would consider moving #2 or #4 to get a scoring winger.
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McKenna < 3rd + 24th overall or 5th + 26th overall.
That would make sense, or 3rd and a top prospect from last year. Picking 3rd nets you either Stenberg or your choice of the best available defenseman. I’m not sold at San Jose taking another forward, when their need is defense. It appears that #2 or #3 is going to be a defenseman. If the deal is right, you make that trade. I also hear rumors that Nylander is on the block. I wonder if San Jose or Chicago would consider moving #2 or #4 to get a scoring winger.
I just dont think the Leafs trade down. I would want a lot more, like a stupid over payment.
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I said 2017 Makar year right in my post? why so dense?
Also, I said ignoring all the drafts a D was taken #1, as they Leafs would have taken a D #1 that year also.
and Dahlin vs Q hughes is close. Both top pair #1, nobody would have traded down from Dahlin to take Hughes that year. so thats a dumb point. besides like I fucking mentioned, that year is excluded because a D was #1 anyway.you just argue for the sake if it, dont care to read or actually have a normal discussion, you have to have an enemy at all times to feel value, its sad
And again, this is not a generational talent draft. This is one of those years where passing on McKenna isn’t a problem given his clear flaws just like Lafreniere. The Leafs have had players like McKenna before. It failed. It’s doing the same dumbass shit and expecting different results. Stenberg would be harder to pass on as he is actually a complete player so at least he would be a deviation from being enthralled by one-dimensional, small wingers who scored in junior but don’t have the defensive game or the competitive drive to win you the games that matter.
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You have to play the game. If Vancouver, that has a hard on for him, want him, the price is #3 and either another 1st or a top prospect that was probably a 1st last year. In Vancouver, they have tickets to sell and they want to sell the sizzle. Same thing for Calgary. I still think San Jose passes over Stenberg for a defenseman and Stenberg falls to #3. Calgary is a different story, but they have a lot of young talent in the pipeline and you can still draft one of the big 3 defensemen.
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You have to play the game. If Vancouver, that has a hard on for him, want him, the price is #3 and either another 1st or a top prospect that was probably a 1st last year. In Vancouver, they have tickets to sell and they want to sell the sizzle. Same thing for Calgary. I still think San Jose passes over Stenberg for a defenseman and Stenberg falls to #3. Calgary is a different story, but they have a lot of young talent in the pipeline and you can still draft one of the big 3 defensemen.
At the end of the draft, the reality is, the Leafs still won’t have a generational talent to build the team around whether they draft 1st or trade down. They won’t have a guy who steps into the NHL right away and turns them into a contender again either. They had a zoom meeting with Matthews today, which I thought was a fucking joke. If you’re serious about meeting Matthews, either fly him in or go see him in Arizona. But these meetings need to start being the discussions of where Matthews wants to play next because they need to blow this team up.
The UFA market is terrible. The Leafs have no assets to upgrade through trade either. Hopefully by January, Matthews is playing well individually but the team is doing poorly and everybody involved decides it’s time to trade him and blow up the whole team.
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The free agent market is marginal. There is Darren Radyysh, a right shooting UFA defenseman and Alex Tuch at right wing, also a UFA. Costly, but doable. Moving Nylander for picks and or prospects would alleviate the Cap issue, if you wanted to add one of the two top UFA’s. The Leafs have to look at it like this: Rogers will not tolerate a full tear down. Give it a year and if Matthews wants out, accommodate him. It could happen by the trade deadline. There’ll be opportunities, when free agency opens, if a team is afraid of losing a highly sought RFA via offer sheet, they may need to find some cap space to accommodate the player, see Leo Karlsson in Anaheim. Use your cap space to grab a Mason McTavish in exchange for a lesser asset, since Cap is going to mean a lot to those type of teams. Asset management is the key to the Leafs returning to respectability.
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The free agent market is marginal. There is Darren Radyysh, a right shooting UFA defenseman and Alex Tuch at right wing, also a UFA. Costly, but doable. Moving Nylander for picks and or prospects would alleviate the Cap issue, if you wanted to add one of the two top UFA’s. The Leafs have to look at it like this: Rogers will not tolerate a full tear down. Give it a year and if Matthews wants out, accommodate him. It could happen by the trade deadline. There’ll be opportunities, when free agency opens, if a team is afraid of losing a highly sought RFA via offer sheet, they may need to find some cap space to accommodate the player, see Leo Karlsson in Anaheim. Use your cap space to grab a Mason McTavish in exchange for a lesser asset, since Cap is going to mean a lot to those type of teams. Asset management is the key to the Leafs returning to respectability.
Tuch and Raddysh would be retards to sign with the Leafs. They both are on contenders and had career years. Unless the Leafs grossly overpay them, there is no reason for them to join a garbage team for equal or less money.
Rogers can and will tolerate a rebuild. The tickets will still be sold even if the team was monkeys throwing their own shit at each other.
The only players the Leafs should be acquiring are guys like Adin Hill. Terrible contract with a 1st round pick.
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Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. As long as they have star caliber players, they’ll always retool and not tear it down. With no first rounders of their own, for two years, why bother tearing it down. It should be acquire assets and build the farm system. They didn’t bring Chyka in to not win. He’s there for a more modern look on how the NHL works. The Leafs have been running back retreads and not looking forward. If the Leafs do get David Carle, as Coach, there will be a changing of the guard. A deep retool with other teams prospects works too. They still need to field a competitive team so UFA’s would allow them to move players like Rielly and Nylander and still be relatively competitive. We can’t allow our next two first rounders to rebuild our opponents. We can’t have Boston with another top 5 from us and Philly should be kept out of the top 10 as well.
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Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. As long as they have star caliber players, they’ll always retool and not tear it down. With no first rounders of their own, for two years, why bother tearing it down. It should be acquire assets and build the farm system. They didn’t bring Chyka in to not win. He’s there for a more modern look on how the NHL works. The Leafs have been running back retreads and not looking forward. If the Leafs do get David Carle, as Coach, there will be a changing of the guard. A deep retool with other teams prospects works too. They still need to field a competitive team so UFA’s would allow them to move players like Rielly and Nylander and still be relatively competitive. We can’t allow our next two first rounders to rebuild our opponents. We can’t have Boston with another top 5 from us and Philly should be kept out of the top 10 as well.
Wrong. They had “star” players and are drafting 1st overall. Bad defense, bad goaltending and a tough division can crumble this team quickly.
Why bother tear it down? Because Matthews can walk like Marner did leaving the Leafs with dick on a stick for a huge asset. Yes, they don’t have a 1st round pick but if they blow it up correctly, that won’t matter, they’ll have so many 1st round picks they can draft the entire team in the 1st round in 2 years. Then tank in the 3rd + 4th year and be ready to compete in the 5th year.
They brought in Chayka because he’s the only idiot who said he would try to retool. Chayka’s track record is horrible in trades. So he can try but he will fail and then the Leafs will be forced into a rebuild.
If the Leafs hire Carle as an NHL coach, they’re risking he comes in as a rookie and blows it. When was the last time a coach in his 30s from the NCAA turned a team into a contender overnight?
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Here is Mckenna doc.
https://xcancel.com/SaugaCitySniperHard not to cheer for the kid, nice family. Hope he succeeds in the NHL wherever he lands
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The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
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The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
They cant do a full tear down while not having their 1sts, it doesn’t make sense.
You can trade Nylander now, but I dont see why you would at this point.
over his past 2 seasons he is 90pts /82 and last season was 100 point pace. with a draft pick you pray for a prospect with 80 point potential.
And with him signed to what is a decent value contract, it should take a massive return to move him.Its Rielly for sure, move him yesterday.
Once you know if AM is going to sign again, then you decide.
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I can see moving Nylander, if the package includes a top prospect and at least another 1st rounder. As a winger, he’s easily replaceable with a free agent. Defensemen and centers are another matter. Willy is 29 and he’s at his peak. A contender would gladly move a young asset, if it meant making their team a Cup contender. Leafs should look at Anaheim and see if they could shake Mason McTavish from them, in a Nylander trade. They may get a pick with that trade. That kind of deal makes perfect sense, as McTavish would slot in at 2C with Tavares moving to the wing.
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I can see moving Nylander, if the package includes a top prospect and at least another 1st rounder. As a winger, he’s easily replaceable with a free agent. Defensemen and centers are another matter. Willy is 29 and he’s at his peak. A contender would gladly move a young asset, if it meant making their team a Cup contender. Leafs should look at Anaheim and see if they could shake Mason McTavish from them, in a Nylander trade. They may get a pick with that trade. That kind of deal makes perfect sense, as McTavish would slot in at 2C with Tavares moving to the wing.
then you might as well try to get a top pairing D with Nylander. unlikely, but
Adam Fox would be a top target for me, but he doesnt want to play in Canada? not sure. someone like that
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Celebrini was not considered one of the high end #1 picks.
“Six NHL scouts and executives were polled”
granted not a big sample, but gives an idearanked after Jack hughes
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5367202/2024/04/23/macklin-celebrini-nhl-draft-connor-mcdavid/I think he would rank #2 now after Mcdavid
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The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
If the Leafs gather 10-12 pieces including top prospects, young roster players and 1st round picks, they don’t need their own 1st round picks. Yes, obviously it would be nice to be able to tank and have your own pick but the Leafs can tank for themselves in 2029 and 2030. Yes, Boston and Philadelphia benefit from that but Treliving is a retard and there’s nothing the Leafs can do to change it now. Waiting another 2 years of being a Wild Card team only delays the inevitable and doesn’t win you the Cup either.
The Leafs can’t rely on Woll or Stolarz to be healthy because they’ve never proven to be healthy. It’s always something with them. They’re either hurt or playing like shit. Either way, that’s not solid ground for a contender. The Leafs fighting for 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking is a waste of time. It’s either Stanley Cup or rebuild. There is no middle anymore.
The Leafs defense are dinosaurs. The roster is one of the oldest in the NHL. Injuries are to be expected. They’re old, slow and high risk for injury. Reality is, all the Leafs defense should be the bottom pairing on a contender. These guys are valuable pieces at the trade deadline but as a unit, they don’t work together.
The UFA market yields nobody that moves the needle. UFAs are always overpaid and signed for too long. Two things the Leafs can’t afford to add to the mess. The trade market doesn’t help because Chayka sucks balls at winning trades and the Leafs have nothing to trade to acquire the pieces they need (which aren’t available either) to turn the team round. The only trades the Leafs should be making are to acquire bad contracts like Adin Hill to add more 1st round picks.
The only argument to not trade Matthews and Nylander before the season is to play them long enough to have them increase their value to make the return bigger. But by the trade deadline, they absolutely have to be traded and the team has to be blown apart.
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Celebrini was not considered one of the high end #1 picks.
“Six NHL scouts and executives were polled”
granted not a big sample, but gives an idearanked after Jack hughes
I think he would rank #2 now after Mcdavid
The idiots they polled must have worked for the Leafs and had no clue idea what they were talking about. It’s no surprise the New York Times is full of bullshit polls though.
Celebrini had 32 goals and 64 points and +25 in his draft year in the NCAA.
McKenna had 15 goals and 51 points and -7 in his draft year in the NCAA.
Celebrini was always legit. He also plays C. McKenna isn’t at that level.
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You have to remember, McKenna was a superior talent in junior. He decided to go to the NCAA because he wanted to play against players older than him, that were more polished. He started slow, but turned it on in the second half. He still averaged more than 2 points a game, in a league that’s known for low scoring games. He had an 8 point game in the NCAA, a record that will be hard to break. There’s a reason that many in the know, across the NHL, pick him to be the first overall pick. This is one of these times that you take a player like him and he explodes into a top 10 NHL player going forward. He could also be a 75 point player, which is fine, but not a first overall. A big issue is, do you want to be the GM that passed on this guy and he goes on to set records in points production and wins an Art Ross and the Hart Trophy or the Conn Smythe? It’s a conundrum, but it sure is a good one to have. The alternative was Boston picking at #6. If you watched the final balls dropping at the draft, there was a ball that would have put Winnipeg into the #1 spot but just missed, before #12 ended up in the hopper. If that had happened, Boston would be drafting at #6. It was pure luck and maybe it’s Karma that’s telling them to make that pick. Of course, getting a deal from Vancouver that nets you #3 plus a top end defensive prospect, or another 1st isn’t bad either.
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You have to remember, McKenna was a superior talent in junior. He decided to go to the NCAA because he wanted to play against players older than him, that were more polished. He started slow, but turned it on in the second half. He still averaged more than 2 points a game, in a league that’s known for low scoring games. He had an 8 point game in the NCAA, a record that will be hard to break. There’s a reason that many in the know, across the NHL, pick him to be the first overall pick. This is one of these times that you take a player like him and he explodes into a top 10 NHL player going forward. He could also be a 75 point player, which is fine, but not a first overall. A big issue is, do you want to be the GM that passed on this guy and he goes on to set records in points production and wins an Art Ross and the Hart Trophy or the Conn Smythe? It’s a conundrum, but it sure is a good one to have. The alternative was Boston picking at #6. If you watched the final balls dropping at the draft, there was a ball that would have put Winnipeg into the #1 spot but just missed, before #12 ended up in the hopper. If that had happened, Boston would be drafting at #6. It was pure luck and maybe it’s Karma that’s telling them to make that pick. Of course, getting a deal from Vancouver that nets you #3 plus a top end defensive prospect, or another 1st isn’t bad either.
Alexis Lafreniere scored a lot of points in junior. He was 1st overall. Where are the Rangers now? A high scoring junior, small, one-way winger doesn’t change a franchise.
Small, weak, doesn’t play defense, not a generational talent. He’s not winning any Art Ross, Hart or Conn Smythe trophies. Not happening with McDavid, MacKinnon, Celebrini and many other much better, more elite offensive players in the league for the next 10 years. Even if he does score like crazy, his lack of a two-way game and position of being a winger will always hurt his team just like how Tavares and Nylander score but absolutely suck defensively. McKenna is way more likely to be another Nylander than to be any kind of MVP. Nylander is fine as a one-way winger but we’ve seen that movie before in Toronto and it doesn’t end with a Stanley Cup.
Stenberg is a better overall player at #1 and trading down for another 1st and getting a solid RHD top 5 pick is better too. McKenna isn’t the guy that fixes the Leafs franchise. The Leafs need to draft and build a team with winning a Cup in mind. The days of drafting whoever scores the most but loses when it matters should be over.
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Alexis Lafreniere was not as highly touted. Many believed that it was a poor draft year. Something like Rielly’s year. This draft seems to have 6 really good players at the top. 3 defensemen, 2 wingers and a center. The Leafs have an important couple of decisions to make. Keep the pick and hope for the best, or trade the pick and draft a defenseman and get another 1st rounder or equivalent in return. Vancouver, Chicago and Calgary seem to be the teams that want to play, so go see what each is willing to give up.
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Alexis Lafreniere was not as highly touted. Many believed that it was a poor draft year. Something like Rielly’s year. This draft seems to have 6 really good players at the top. 3 defensemen, 2 wingers and a center. The Leafs have an important couple of decisions to make. Keep the pick and hope for the best, or trade the pick and draft a defenseman and get another 1st rounder or equivalent in return. Vancouver, Chicago and Calgary seem to be the teams that want to play, so go see what each is willing to give up.
Lafreniere didn’t score at the level Mckenna did.
Mckenna last WHL season d-1 season he had an NHLe of 57 points, Lafreniere in his same season QMJHL d-1 was 40
huge difference, even in Lafreniere Draft season his NHLe is 50
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Alexis Lafreniere was not as highly touted. Many believed that it was a poor draft year. Something like Rielly’s year. This draft seems to have 6 really good players at the top. 3 defensemen, 2 wingers and a center. The Leafs have an important couple of decisions to make. Keep the pick and hope for the best, or trade the pick and draft a defenseman and get another 1st rounder or equivalent in return. Vancouver, Chicago and Calgary seem to be the teams that want to play, so go see what each is willing to give up.
And this year is also a poor draft year in terms of not having a generational talent at #1. I think McKenna scores more than Lafreniere but all the same deficiencies exist. Small, winger, one-way player, no defense, not a franchise or generational talent. Like I said, if McKenna can score in the NHL, he’s another Nylander. We’ve already seen that movie and we see how it ends.
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Woll Rielly and NylanderSamuel Ersson, prospect Alex Bump, and Philadelphia’s 2026 second-round pick for Woll + a 2026 fifth-round pick is a rumor I read.
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most drafts do not have a generational talent. Mcdavid was the last one and he has yet to win a cup.
I think teams can still win a cup with non generational players. just a guessIt’s true, most drafts don’t which means when you have a draft that doesn’t, trading down can be advantageous because having multiple picks (especially when the Leafs have so few) is better.
Generational players almost always eventually win a Cup. That’s always Plan A. But the teams that win without one usually have a foundation of players that play a certain way in the playoffs. McKenna doesn’t fit that mold. Stenberg does.
The Leafs need to be drafting with the mindset of players that play correctly when it matters. They’ve gone down the road of “best player available” with clear defensive flaws (Nylander) and it hasn’t worked. Time to change the priorities.
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Woll Rielly and NylanderEw, no. Nylander with 50% retained is worth more than that by himself.
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It’s true, most drafts don’t which means when you have a draft that doesn’t, trading down can be advantageous because having multiple picks (especially when the Leafs have so few) is better.
Generational players almost always eventually win a Cup. That’s always Plan A. But the teams that win without one usually have a foundation of players that play a certain way in the playoffs. McKenna doesn’t fit that mold. Stenberg does.
The Leafs need to be drafting with the mindset of players that play correctly when it matters. They’ve gone down the road of “best player available” with clear defensive flaws (Nylander) and it hasn’t worked. Time to change the priorities.
Mckenna would not be coming to the Leafs as a savoir, like in the past. they have AM, WN and Knies..also JT. as vets already in place. not many #1 picks get that.
Bedard is on an island, still . and hes about to get paid.Nylander was #8 pick, not the same. they could have taken ehlers, and he has all the same questions and critisims, now hes on a team going to the finals. the BS cant win with them nonsense…Leaf fans have seen it over and over
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Mckenna would not be coming to the Leafs as a savoir, like in the past. they have AM, WN and Knies..also JT. as vets already in place. not many #1 picks get that.
Bedard is on an island, still . and hes about to get paid.Nylander was #8 pick, not the same. they could have taken ehlers, and he has all the same questions and critisims, now hes on a team going to the finals. the BS cant win with them nonsense…Leaf fans have seen it over and over
Any player drafted 1st overall by the Leafs will be viewed as the savior. It’s just how this retarded market works.
Also, Matthews only has 2 years left. McKenna isn’t good enough to change the position of the team to force Matthews to stay any longer than he already has. Nylander doesn’t move the needle either. In fact, if they draft McKenna, they’re better off trading Nylander because having two players with the same deficiencies only kills the Leafs in the playoffs. Tavares is a dinosaur, trash defensively, doesn’t win you a Cup either on his trajectory. And the defense is also ancient and trash. Unfixable via trade with no assets. UFAs have failed to fix that problem in the past and will continue to not be the solution currently either.
In no realistic scenario do the Leafs become an actual contender by adding McKenna. The belief that this core can win only delays the inevitable.
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Rielly finally open to accepting a trade. Too little, too late but it better not cost the Leafs draft capital to trade him. Totally not worth it at this point. Just play him less.
He’s still an NHL defenseman. Many teams look at the mess of the Maple Leafs and think they can rehabilitate him. There will be teams that’ll try to lowball the Leafs. A small bidding war could occur. Teams like Vancouver, San Jose and possibly Edmonton may be interested. Some could be for players, others for prospects or draft picks. I could see him getting traded for a second rounder, or a trade like Darnell Nurse. He could also be part of a larger deal with a goaltender on the move. Maybe Rielly and Stolarz to Philly for the Leafs 1st rounder could be doable. Philly needs goaltending and defense, who knows? My best bet is San Jose, that’s on the cusp of being a playoff team and have no decent draft capital on defense in their system. My guess is San Jose drafts a defenseman at #2 but needs a stop gap until the prospect is NHL ready. Rielly fits the bill. The Patrick Marleau influence could be at play here, since he played with Rielly.
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Rielly finally open to accepting a trade. Too little, too late but it better not cost the Leafs draft capital to trade him. Totally not worth it at this point. Just play him less.
He still controls where he goes with his NMC
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Rielly finally open to accepting a trade. Too little, too late but it better not cost the Leafs draft capital to trade him. Totally not worth it at this point. Just play him less.
He’s still an NHL defenseman. Many teams look at the mess of the Maple Leafs and think they can rehabilitate him. There will be teams that’ll try to lowball the Leafs. A small bidding war could occur. Teams like Vancouver, San Jose and possibly Edmonton may be interested. Some could be for players, others for prospects or draft picks. I could see him getting traded for a second rounder, or a trade like Darnell Nurse. He could also be part of a larger deal with a goaltender on the move. Maybe Rielly and Stolarz to Philly for the Leafs 1st rounder could be doable. Philly needs goaltending and defense, who knows? My best bet is San Jose, that’s on the cusp of being a playoff team and have no decent draft capital on defense in their system. My guess is San Jose drafts a defenseman at #2 but needs a stop gap until the prospect is NHL ready. Rielly fits the bill. The Patrick Marleau influence could be at play here, since he played with Rielly.
Rielly absolutely sucks. His contract only makes him significantly worse.
Teams won’t lowball the Leafs because they won’t be interested at all. There absolutely will never be a bidding war for Rielly. That’s just delusional.
A return that includes a pylon like Nurse is worthless to the Leafs. Absolutely no chance the Flyers give the Leafs a 1st for an often injured back-up and a pylon on D. Not happening.
Marleau has absolutely no influence on bringing in Rielly. San Jose’s problem is PREVENTING goals which Rielly is a net negative.
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He still controls where he goes with his NMC
by playing less, will decrease his value if he’s still on the team come next season.We have seen hundreds of NTC / NMC get waived. Yes, he controls where he lands. But the worse the Leafs get, the better many other alternatives seem.
Seattle makes a lot of sense in terms of a landing spot. Would happily take Vince Dunn in return or literally any 4th liner or mid round pick.
He’s played more than enough to show what he is and what he isn’t. Everybody knows what he’s worth and it’s next to nothing. As the cap goes up, his contract is less of an issue.
If none of the places Rielly wants to play want him then his value is already worthless. Playing him less probably increases his value because it gives him less time to show how garbage he is on defense and he isn’t a threat on the PP anymore either. The important part is to not give up anything to get rid of his contract. Either he sits and rots or he goes for something that isn’t a negative.
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I hope the can move Rielly to the San Jose and try to get the 2nd over all pick. Hey I’m not saying straigh for that pick. It would be a package deal of course.
Vancouver would great if the Leaf can pry Hronek from them for him as part of the deal.Absolutely no chance either event happens.
San Jose needs D for their rebuild, not another liability. There is no chance even a “package” with 2nd overall is included for Rielly. None.
Again, Vancouver is the worst team in the NHL in a full rebuild. Rielly sucks but he doesn’t want to play for a team that sucks. Nobody does. Again, no chance he goes to Vancouver or that Vancouver gives up their best D-man for him either.
These are both blue and white dreams.
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Woodcroft NOT being interviewed by the Leafs according to Friedman.
At this point, they should just promote Gruden from within and throw a stupid amount of money at Carle to take over the Marlies. Carle is super comfortable at Denver U but if the Leafs broke the bank to get him into the professional ranks with the eventual pathway to promotion, it would benefit the franchise greatly. It also gives Gruden the chance to work with the same guys he’s been developing and would go well with the rebuild that they should be pursuing.
Right now, the Leafs just need a place holder coach. They’ve been through so many coaches at this point, it’s just moving chairs on the Titanic. There isn’t a coach out there that can prevent this ship from sinking.
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Habs looking Leafish tonight. Soon be doing the handshake line. They played like true pretenders. Too many smurfy players to get the job done. It shows that brawn and discipline continues to rule the NHL playoffs.
Montreal got outplayed in every series but managed to get lucky when it mattered. Game 7 vs. Tampa Bay, 2 goals on 9 shots, both of them basically miracle goals that 99/100 don’t go in. Against Buffalo, again, they played vs. two goalies because Buffalo has two back-ups and both shat the bed at one point or another. Montreal survived on a lot of PP goals and luck. Against Carolina, they stole a win because the Hurricanes had been off for almost two weeks waiting for an opponent. Then basically got swept after that in every metric, barely able to put together 20 shots in most games.
All that being said, Montreal was the youngest team in the playoffs and finished with 106 points. So long as management is diligent, they will only get better from here as their prospects continue to develop and their young roster players also start to peak. I highly doubt they would be able to reel in a UFA like McDavid in two years time but if the Habs swing a deal for more strength up the middle and figure out their goaltending situation, Montreal will be a serious contender within the next 5 years.
Montreal’s rebuild wasn’t perfect but the Leafs could learn a lot from them. Montreal traded Pacioretty for Suzuki. Then, from there, tanked a few times, drafted well and now are reaping the benefits from it. If the Leafs can do the same with Matthews + Nylander, they could be exactly where Montreal is right now but a lot better off considering the number of individual assets they have to sell. It’s a matter of having the right people making the trades (Chayka sucks at trades so he ain’t that guy) and the right people at the draft table (Chayka’s draft record is also trash so he ain’t that guy either).
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Leafs are talking to Judd Brackett to be an assistant GM.
He ran the last 5 drafts for the Wild.
2021 – Wallstedt 20th overall. Looks to be a solid goalie but still a rookie. Carson Lambos played 1 game, drafted 26th overall. Might be a late bloomer but hasn’t produced much yet.
2022 – Ohgren 19th overall. Traded for Hughes. Yurov 24th overall, 73 games played.
2023 – 0 NHL games so far.
2024 – Zeev Buium 12th overall. Only has played 76 NHL games so far, traded for Hughes.
2025 – 0 NHL games so far.Prior to working the the Wild, Brackett was with the Canucks from 2008 to 2020, first as an amateur scout from 2008-2015.
2008 – Cody Hodgson 10th overall. Not a terrible player but not anywhere near the best pick at 10th.
2009 – Jordan Schroeder 22nd overall. Same as Hodgson, not terrible but not the best pick. Kevin Connauton 3rd round.
2010 – Only had 4th round pick or lower. Only one player played one single NHL game.
2011 – Nicklas Jensen 29th overall (Rakell went 30th). Frankie Corrado 76 NHL games.
2012 – Brendan Gaunce 26th overall (Skjei 28th, Pearson 30th). Ben Hutton 147th overall 575 games.
2013 – Horvat 9th overall. Shinkaruk 24th overall. Horvat was a home run, Shinkaruk was a strikeout with Theodore going 26th, Hartman 30th.
2014 – Virtanen 6th overall. Huge bust. Jared McCann at 24th was a good find. Demko 36th overall was also a good find. Forsling in the 5th round. A steal had he not been traded.
2015 – Boeser 23rd overall. Pretty good. Gaudette 149th overall played 367 games.Then as the Director of Amateur Scouting from 2015-2020.
2016 – Juolevi 5th overall. Bust. Keller going 7th and M. Tkachuck going 6th overall and playing on the Knights with Juolevi. Nobody else in this draft played more than 64 games.
2017 – Petersson 5th overall. Not a total bust but not what you want from a 5th overall pick.
2018 – Quinn Hughes 7th overall. Steal of the draft.
2019 – Podkolzin 10th overall. Hoglander 40th overall. Both okay NHLers but nothing great.
2020 – 0 NHL games played by any draft picks.Considering Vancouver has been pretty much dog shit for years now, his drafting didn’t exactly help pull them out of a rebuild as they are still deep in it. His drafting in Minnesota looks like it has some highlights but again, nothing that screams elite drafting either. Not exactly a part of a drafting system that has produced a Cup winner either. Don’t really see how this guy is any kind of improvement over what they currently have running the draft or his work being worthy of a promotion.
Hopefully he doesn’t get the job.
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tifwiw, but its out there that Brackett didn’t want to take Juolevi, that was Bennings pick.
Also wanted Boldy over PodkolzinI guess if you are not he GM or have final say, you can only give you input.
Overall lots of changes. better than doing nothing
His draft record isn’t that good overall but if the rumor is that he only made the good picks and none of the bad ones it’s rather convenient. I guess Benning picked Hughes too then.
Better than doing nothing is still not as good as hiring the best people possible. It’s another typical Maple Leafs hire.
Meanwhile, Tampa Bay got Jack Pridham fresh off a Memorial Cup for a 3rd round pick. That’s “doing something”. Guess the Leafs can’t trade and sign the kid after they fired his dad.
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San Jose seems like a logical landing spot for Rielly.
They only have 3 D signed for next season and 1 rfA?Its just what could the Leafs extract from SJ?
I think its something reasonably decent, I dont think he is a cap dump.San Jose would be pretty retarded to take Rielly, even if they do need guys on D. They’d be likely to attack the UFA market before they add pylons like Rielly.
Also, Rielly can’t play D and San Jose needs guys to prevent goals and Rielly causes goals against rather frequently.
I don’t care where he ends up but I’d say Seattle is a place he would land because it’s close to Vancouver without being a terrible team.
Vince Dunn for Morgan Rielly is the type of trade that the Leafs might be able to get away with. Just take a bad expiring contract and give Rielly a new place to go to.
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His draft record isn’t that good overall but if the rumor is that he only made the good picks and none of the bad ones it’s rather convenient. I guess Benning picked Hughes too then.
Better than doing nothing is still not as good as hiring the best people possible. It’s another typical Maple Leafs hire.
Meanwhile, Tampa Bay got Jack Pridham fresh off a Memorial Cup for a 3rd round pick. That’s “doing something”. Guess the Leafs can’t trade and sign the kid after they fired his dad.
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Leafs – Mckenna
SJ – Reid
Van – MalhotraIf it does, would you offer Knies for #4 to try and grab Stenberg #4?
I really like knies, but I think his value at the moment is a bit higher than his actual value or on ice impact. He can still get better of course.
Tough call.But Stenberg should go 1 or 2 imo
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Generally people attribute the draft picks to the GM. he was a Dubas pick etc.
i dont pretend to know shit about people behind the scenes, and nobody on these sites do, some just pretend harder than others.It’s not that hard to have connections to the inside especially when an organization has so many people employed on the inside. The NHL circle is a small one but the sheer number of people around them is significant. I’m one degree of separation away from Dubas and that isn’t super uncommon.
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Iv seen a lot of Mock drafts go
Leafs – Mckenna
SJ – Reid
Van – MalhotraIf it does, would you offer Knies for #4 to try and grab Stenberg #4?
I really like knies, but I think his value at the moment is a bit higher than his actual value or on ice impact. He can still get better of course.
Tough call.But Stenberg should go 1 or 2 imo
Nah, trade Matthews and Nylander instead. Rebuild hard.
Knies is under 25. If Hyman scored 50 after he left, Knies could become the next premier power forward somewhere else but he’s young enough that if the Leafs sell hard enough, they could turn the team around and make Knies useful before he exits his prime.
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San Jose would be pretty retarded to take Rielly, even if they do need guys on D. They’d be likely to attack the UFA market before they add pylons like Rielly.
Also, Rielly can’t play D and San Jose needs guys to prevent goals and Rielly causes goals against rather frequently.
I don’t care where he ends up but I’d say Seattle is a place he would land because it’s close to Vancouver without being a terrible team.
Vince Dunn for Morgan Rielly is the type of trade that the Leafs might be able to get away with. Just take a bad expiring contract and give Rielly a new place to go to.[/quote]
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If San Jose is a moron to trade for Rielly, wouldn’t that also make Seattle a moron as well?
I’d think Seattle would need a sweetner to take on Rielly 4yrs vs. 1 year of Dunn.Because San Jose is an easier sell to UFAs than Seattle so they’re more likely to be able to pull in quality players. They’re less likely to have to settle for a shit D like Rielly with other options available. Rielly won’t be traded until every other option is exhausted and teams get desperate. San Jose is less likely to get desperate for an anchor contract and a bad D.
Seattle on the other hand is run by idiots. They just added Melinda Gates as part of ownership. They don’t give a fuck about winning a Cup. They’re just trying to win the woke Olympics. And Rielly would fit in perfectly. Again, to a team like Seattle, adding Rielly gives them a guaranteed player for 4 more years at 7.5 AAV. Any UFAs they hope to add would cost them much, much more than that as they’d have to grossly overpay to get somebody to live and play in Seattle much like the Leafs have to grossly overpay players to sign in TO.
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cannot wait to see the epic gangbang back at carter hart’s hotel room after the golden knights win the cup. you think marner will get in line for some action?
no matter who wins, the leaf nation will either have to watch marner lift the cup or andersen lift the cup.
i really wish we’d get our shit together and take back the cup from that gang of pedos south of the border. americans have had their kiddy-diddling hands all over our fucking cup for too long.
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cannot wait to see the epic gangbang back at carter hart’s hotel room after the golden knights win the cup. you think marner will get in line for some action?
no matter who wins, the leaf nation will either have to watch marner lift the cup or andersen lift the cup.
i really wish we’d get our shit together and take back the cup from that gang of pedos south of the border. americans have had their kiddy-diddling hands all over our fucking cup for too long.
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Soon the playoffs will be over. This playoffs have been very underwhelming. The Habs series’ seem to be the best, because they had lots of overtime and a pair of 7 game series. So really, the best hockey was played in the Atlantic division. In the last few years, I’ve called the Atlantic the division of Hell. It takes a lot to get out of the division. The Habs rode a hot goalie and took out two contenders and had nothing left, after Carolina had a vacation with Ottawa and Philly as their opponents. The West was the weaker of the two conferences so I’m not sure how to handicap this final.
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Soon the playoffs will be over. This playoffs have been very underwhelming. The Habs series’ seem to be the best, because they had lots of overtime and a pair of 7 game series. So really, the best hockey was played in the Atlantic division. In the last few years, I’ve called the Atlantic the division of Hell. It takes a lot to get out of the division. The Habs rode a hot goalie and took out two contenders and had nothing left, after Carolina had a vacation with Ottawa and Philly as their opponents. The West was the weaker of the two conferences so I’m not sure how to handicap this final.
Carolina has played at such a high level all year that yes, they got lower seed teams but they took care of business. They didn’t choke. They made playoff teams look like they didn’t even belong in the playoffs. Carolina would have beat Buffalo no differently than they beat Montreal or anybody else in the East. Everybody wants to pretend like the West was weak but the reality is, Colorado was the top seed and got SWEPT. They beat Minnesota and Minnesota beat Dallas. Anaheim and Utah were not bad teams and Vegas beat them both. These are two untraditional markets fighting for the Cup but the teams are two great teams and it’s going to be a great Final to watch.
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There could be misdirection at work here. Get everyone sniffing over there, while your making your move over here. It maybe someone off the board.
The Leafs have interviewed at least 15 people because they’re looking for anybody that can buy into this re-tool bullshit.
Clearly, there is no misdirection except for how this franchise is being run.
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Gallagher on the block. If a 1st round pick comes with him, Leafs should be on it.
Could do the same with Adin Hill. I’m sure there’s a bunch of bad contracts out there that could come with draft capital attached.
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But would Gallagher want to play in Toronto is the question.
He does have some trade protection after all.He had 7 goals in 77 games for 6.5 million. His contract is so bad and he’s so bad he won’t have too many options. The Leafs can offer him ice time to rebuild his value and continue his career after this contract ends. They could also make him a deadline rental to a playoff team to give him a chance to play in the playoffs and get more draft capital.
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But would Gallagher want to play in Toronto is the question.
He does have some trade protection after all.He had 7 goals in 77 games for 6.5 million. His contract is so bad and he’s so bad he won’t have too many options. The Leafs can offer him ice time to rebuild his value and continue his career after this contract ends. They could also make him a deadline rental to a playoff team to give him a chance to play in the playoffs and get more draft capital.
yeah that’s fine but he will go where his trade protection will alow him to go.
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That Montreal offer for Knies🤨
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He had 7 goals in 77 games for 6.5 million. His contract is so bad and he’s so bad he won’t have too many options. The Leafs can offer him ice time to rebuild his value and continue his career after this contract ends. They could also make him a deadline rental to a playoff team to give him a chance to play in the playoffs and get more draft capital.
I agree. His contract is putrid, but that makes it good for extracting draft capital. Let him play in the bottom 6, somewhere were Domi would usually play. Some team, at the trade deadline, might need someone to fill out the bottom 6 for a playoff run. You eat what’s left of half of his salary and take on a second rounder or a prospect. Force the Habs to offer up a first rounder to get rid of him and voila! He turns into a 1st and a 2nd rounder for the rebuild.
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That Montreal offer for Knies
The other prospect better be named Reinbacher or Hage, not EngstronZharovsky, ? and 2 1st
Should hire Treliving just to fire him again for that retarded bullshit. Saved by 1 minute.
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yeah that’s fine but he will go where his trade protection will alow him to go.
And he is so shit that his options are limited to very few teams. He wouldn’t block a trade to a team if they promise ice time.
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Larkin would cost too much for the Leafs to acquire. Unless it’s for someone like Rielly, then it’s not worth it.
Larkin hates missing the playoffs so he isn’t coming to Toronto. He’s already willing to ditch his hometown team for playoff hockey so the Leafs aren’t even a consideration.
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The failed Knies trade confirms that Treliving is a total retard. Like far, far worse than anybody could have imagined when he was first hired. Beyond JFJ levels of retard. It also tells us that the Leafs have some very high value assets. If a team, at the deadline was willing to trade basically three (or four) 1st round picks worth of value for Knies based on his potential, just imagine the return for proven players like Matthews and Nylander could get with 50% retained. If the Leafs blow this team up, they could accumulate the largest amount of draft capital we’ve ever seen in a rebuild.
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Pretty strange that Chayka flew to the Yukon to meet McKenna but can’t go to Arizona to meet Matthews. You’d think that Matthews would have been front and center the day they hired Chayka.
Hopefully it’s a sign of a rebuild but the Leafs are retards so it probably won’t go the right way.
It’s funny how almost everyone excoriated the Leafs when they hired Sundin and Chayka. After Pelley stepped into the background, I haven’t really seen any major faux pas by the new Management team. It seams like they’re doing their due diligence in regards to front office moves and how they’re trending towards some of their more senior players. If they do indeed move Rielly for assets, then you have to call it a win. The cap space would make it more viable to take on bad contracts. Let’s see who they do hire for head coach. I’m hoping a young, teaching coach gets hired, and start developing the assets that the do have and will acquire. You can have an accelerated rebuild, if you make a series of good moves and overturn most of your roster. The issue is the two 1st rounders that will come back and haunt the Leafs, if they do get down in the bottom 10 spots.
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It’s funny how almost everyone excoriated the Leafs when they hired Sundin and Chayka. After Pelley stepped into the background, I haven’t really seen any major faux pas by the new Management team. It seams like they’re doing their due diligence in regards to front office moves and how they’re trending towards some of their more senior players. If they do indeed move Rielly for assets, then you have to call it a win. The cap space would make it more viable to take on bad contracts. Let’s see who they do hire for head coach. I’m hoping a young, teaching coach gets hired, and start developing the assets that the do have and will acquire. You can have an accelerated rebuild, if you make a series of good moves and overturn most of your roster. The issue is the two 1st rounders that will come back and haunt the Leafs, if they do get down in the bottom 10 spots.
That’s because the playoffs aren’t over yet. There’s literally nothing for anybody to do. They can’t fuck anything up if they haven’t actually done anything.
The only thing they should be doing is plotting the total tear down and rebuild.
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I get that the playoffs haven’t finished, but getting the coaching staff set up should be paramount before the draft. You can make deals with teams finished with the playoffs. If a team has a UFA that you want to acquire, you dangle a player to get permission to speak with the UFA. If you can acquire them, you can sign them before anyone else gets a chance.
These fucking captcha’s are driving me nuts today.
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Congratulations to the Marlies. Heading off to the Calder Cup. Watched that game and they worked their asses off to get to the finals. I liked Danford’s game tonight. He was solid.
Again, this team needs to rebuild. Promote John Gruden, give a few of the Marlies a chance next year and tear it down.
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Again, this team needs to rebuild. Promote John Gruden, give a few of the Marlies a chance next year and tear it down.
Why this doesn’t work. They don’t own their own 1st rounders for the next 2 years. Bottom out and the Flyers and Boston get to draft top end talent in the first round. Guess what, you’ll be lining up against those two teams 7 or 8 times during the regular season. Did you see, the other day, when the Leafs shipped off a 1st to Carolina to take on the Marleau contract? Guess who they got, Seth Jarvis. So why would you want to subject this at a grander scale going forward? What if both years, they give up top 3 picks? Do you not think that this won’t haunt them? It’s a travesty to go down that road. Yes, you can make trades to get more draft picks, sign free agents to quasi replace those top assets that you must trade for a rebuild. The Leafs can’t allow their team to go to the bottom of the NHL for the next two years. Unless you can find a way to trade for your own 1st rounders, a total rebuild can’t occur. Just more years of wandering in the desert. See the Buffalo Sabres and their 15 years out of the playoffs. Rogers will not allow this to happen, so you might as well get used to a rebuild on the fly.
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Again, this team needs to rebuild. Promote John Gruden, give a few of the Marlies a chance next year and tear it down.
Why this doesn’t work. They don’t own their own 1st rounders for the next 2 years. Bottom out and the Flyers and Boston get to draft top end talent in the first round. Guess what, you’ll be lining up against those two teams 7 or 8 times during the regular season. Did you see, the other day, when the Leafs shipped off a 1st to Carolina to take on the Marleau contract? Guess who they got, Seth Jarvis. So why would you want to subject this at a grander scale going forward? What if both years, they give up top 3 picks? Do you not think that this won’t haunt them? It’s a travesty to go down that road. Yes, you can make trades to get more draft picks, sign free agents to quasi replace those top assets that you must trade for a rebuild. The Leafs can’t allow their team to go to the bottom of the NHL for the next two years. Unless you can find a way to trade for your own 1st rounders, a total rebuild can’t occur. Just more years of wandering in the desert. See the Buffalo Sabres and their 15 years out of the playoffs. Rogers will not allow this to happen, so you might as well get used to a rebuild on the fly.
Wrong, it does work. It guarantees maximum value for your highest valued assets. Would it be better if they also had their own picks? Absolutely. But if the Leafs pull in twelve 1st round picks from blowing up the team and adding bad contracts, it mitigates whatever Boston and Philadelphia get from the Leafs 1st round picks. It’s much more important to maximize the return on Matthews than it is to worry about what happens to the 1st round picks that are already long gone.
The reality is if the Leafs go down this retard retool plan, it leads to delaying the inevitable to the point where their highest value assets are lost for low value (like Marner).
The Leafs could be back in contender status in 3-4 years if they sell hard enough and the team would be filled with guys under 25 and on ELC which gives them a lot of flexibility with trades, free agents and contract extensions.
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The Leafs could be back in contender status in 3-4 years if they sell hard enough and the team would be filled with guys under 25 and on ELC which gives them a lot of flexibility with trades, free agents and contract extensions.
That’s not possible, if you’re giving up top 5 picks 2 years in a row. What makes it any different to sell their top players, namely Woll, Matthews and Nylander? That doesn’t get you 12 picks, at most 5 or 6 and those picks won’t be in the top 10. Sure, you could swap out a couple of your defensemen, like OEL and McCabe and you might get a couple of picks in the later part of the first round. Is that going to get you over the top in 3 or 4 years? Not a chance. You have to keep Knies, so he’s really the only untouchable. Their best bet is swapping players like Cowan for a player like Mason MccTavish. Cowan is going to become a great second line winger, however a McTavish will become a pretty decent second line center. Positional players are important. Building from the Goal outwards. The Leafs have the assets in goal, with or without Woll or Stolarz. The real kicker is finding decent free agents to keep the team afloat for the next 2 years, then they can actually bottom out and grab some top 10 picks. I’m not against moving the 1st overall for the 3rd overall, if it nets a top prospect or another 1st round pick in the top 15. The tearing it down to the foundation and expecting a rebound in 3 to 4 years would be all but impossible. My thoughts are to make your trades, get your draft capital, backfill through free agency and deny the Bruins and Flyers top end transitional players that you’ll spend 20 years competing against. Better to let them pick around 20 and get serviceable players and not star players. You’re beating yourself going forward to allow this to happen. It’s only due to abject stupidity that the Leafs have found themselves in this position. There is a bigger picture here. You can’t be the cause of strengthening your Conference foes, just to tear it down for 4 years and expect a roster of players under 23 to take you to the playoffs. It’s unsustainable.
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The Leafs could be back in contender status in 3-4 years if they sell hard enough and the team would be filled with guys under 25 and on ELC which gives them a lot of flexibility with trades, free agents and contract extensions.
That’s not possible, if you’re giving up top 5 picks 2 years in a row. What makes it any different to sell their top players, namely Woll, Matthews and Nylander? That doesn’t get you 12 picks, at most 5 or 6 and those picks won’t be in the top 10. Sure, you could swap out a couple of your defensemen, like OEL and McCabe and you might get a couple of picks in the later part of the first round. Is that going to get you over the top in 3 or 4 years? Not a chance. You have to keep Knies, so he’s really the only untouchable. Their best bet is swapping players like Cowan for a player like Mason MccTavish. Cowan is going to become a great second line winger, however a McTavish will become a pretty decent second line center. Positional players are important. Building from the Goal outwards. The Leafs have the assets in goal, with or without Woll or Stolarz. The real kicker is finding decent free agents to keep the team afloat for the next 2 years, then they can actually bottom out and grab some top 10 picks. I’m not against moving the 1st overall for the 3rd overall, if it nets a top prospect or another 1st round pick in the top 15. The tearing it down to the foundation and expecting a rebound in 3 to 4 years would be all but impossible. My thoughts are to make your trades, get your draft capital, backfill through free agency and deny the Bruins and Flyers top end transitional players that you’ll spend 20 years competing against. Better to let them pick around 20 and get serviceable players and not star players. You’re beating yourself going forward to allow this to happen. It’s only due to abject stupidity that the Leafs have found themselves in this position. There is a bigger picture here. You can’t be the cause of strengthening your Conference foes, just to tear it down for 4 years and expect a roster of players under 23 to take you to the playoffs. It’s unsustainable.
No, it’s very possible. You might be living under a rock but Montreal drafted 1st, 5th then 5th overall again then last year were a wild card team. This year, Conference Final. Did they play that well? No, absolutely not but they went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in 3 years. That wasn’t a re-tool, it was a full rebuild. Why? Because they offloaded their top talent (Pacioretty for Suzuki as an example) and they went for the rebuild through the draft, despite going to the Cup Final only 5 years ago.
And again, giving up their own draft pick sucks but it means jack shit if they have 12 other 1st round picks that they gather from trading Matthews and Nylander. If the Leafs traded Matthews and Nylander right now for one top 5 pick each plus multiple other 1st round picks and young roster players, the loss of their own 1st round pick is mitigated 5 times over. Boston getting a top 5 pick or Philadelphia getting a top 5 pick means fucking nothing compared to getting four times that for Matthews and Nylander. It’s night and day.
So, again, Boston gets 5th overall because of the Leafs while the Leafs get an entire new roster of 1st round pick players under 25. I’ll take the brand new roster under 25 and laugh all the way to the bank. The alternative, you deny Boston and Philadelphia 5th overall, Matthews walks as a UFA for nothing in return and the Leafs are absolutely fucked in the ass for the next 5-7 years trying to rebuild the hard way.
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tanking an doing a total rebuild would be a 5-10 year process, not 2 or 3 thats fucking stupid. esp if you trade Matthews and Nylander. and not having their own picks for 2 draft makes it even more idiotic.
Montreal as the example is also stupid. You can also use Buffalo who tanked and missed the playoffs for 15 years, they had picks 8, 2, 2, 8, 8, 1, 7, 8, 1, 9, in 10 consecutive drafts. also pacioretty for suzuki happened 8 fucking years ago
Take Chicago also, they won in 2015, stumbled around for 5 years, have not made the playoff 6 years in a row and are still not even close to being a fringe playoff team let alone a contender
completely tearing things down and rebuilding takes many years to build back to a competitive playoff team, and they still may not get back to a contender, it also takes a lot of luck and timing.
Now is not the time for the Leafs to tear it down.
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twelve 1st round picks eh !!!
Oh boy
Me think someone is over exagerating, over evaluating Leafs players and what other teams are willing to give up those late 1st round picks even with 50% retained on some contracts.
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If quantity outweighed quality then the unhinged retard would be the most valued and cherished poster here but the reality is that he is simply the human shit stain on this site that wont’ shut the fuck up and vomits absolute garbage opinions and takes endlessly.
It’s really unfortunate that those who ‘run’ this site apparently doesn’t have the sack or desire to ban his stupid ass, and this place continues to spiral downward and has less and less actual decent hockey conversation on it as a result.
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tanking an doing a total rebuild would be a 5-10 year process, not 2 or 3 thats fucking stupid. esp if you trade Matthews and Nylander. and not having their own picks for 2 draft makes it even more idiotic.
Incorrect. It takes 5-10 years if the Leafs wait for Matthews to walk for nothing and start from literal zero. It’s not fucking stupid, Montreal literally just proved you to be retarded by doing it in a short period of time. Not having their own 1sts does hurt, that would have made the process even better but the value they have in Matthews, Nylander plus the rest of the blueline would yield a tremendous amount of under 25 capital.
Montreal as the example is also stupid. You can also use Buffalo who tanked and missed the playoffs for 15 years, they had picks 8, 2, 2, 8, 8, 1, 7, 8, 1, 9, in 10 consecutive drafts. also pacioretty for suzuki happened 8 fucking years ago
So it proves you wrong therefore it’s stupid? Montreal tanked for 3 years, Wild Card, Conference Finals. That’s just facts that prove you wrong. The Suzuki trade is just one of many examples of a team trading their top player for a younger, future core piece of the puzzle. If Patches could get Suzuki, Matthews and Nylander could easily get, at worst, one core piece each in return but probably more with 50% retained and multiple future pieces coming back the Leafs way. It doesn’t take 8 years for that to happen.
Buffalo is an organization of retards like yourself. They fumbled Eichel, Reinhart and just have no fucking idea how to run an organization. Chayka is also a retard who can’t draft or win a trade but the assets the Leafs have are there on the table. They just have to be used correctly.
Take Chicago also, they won in 2015, stumbled around for 5 years, have not made the playoff 6 years in a row and are still not even close to being a fringe playoff team let alone a contender
Blah blah blah, you’re wrong again. You are comparing apples to tire irons. Chicago did not have the benefit of blowing up their team the way the Leafs currently do. The Blackhawks didn’t get any value for Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford etc. They ran their core into the ground to the point where they had ZERO value in return. That’s what forced them into the long rebuild. The exact same retarded rebuild you would be stuck with if you tried to “re-tool” this team into a position where the Leafs get less value for Matthews, Nylander etc.
completely tearing things down and rebuilding takes many years to build back to a competitive playoff team, and they still may not get back to a contender, it also takes a lot of luck and timing.
Wrong. It only takes that long if the Leafs walk Matthews to UFA status like they did with Marner like retards. It does take luck and timing but the Leafs have never been luckier and the time is right. They have a base of Knies, Cowan, Danford, a couple other prospects playing well for the Marlies and a 1st overall pick. Trading Matthews, Nylander and the rest of the pieces of value, especially with retained salary, easily give the Leafs another 10-12 pieces of value. Add to that acquiring 1st round picks for bad contracts and the Leafs could overhaul the entire roster with players under 25 in 3 years.
Now is not the time for the Leafs to tear it down.
Right now is absolutely the best time to tear it down and start over. Re-tooling is objectively retarded.
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twelve 1st round picks eh !!!
Oh boy
Me think someone is over exagerating, over evaluating Leafs players and what other teams are willing to give up those late 1st round picks even with 50% retained on some contracts.
Does quantity outweigh quality?Nope. If the Leafs play their cards right, they could get easily twelve 1st round picks worth of value and as many as nineteen if they maximize their opportunities.
As we saw with what Montreal was willing to pay for Knies at the deadline, the Leafs have a tremendous opportunity to quickly recover assets for individual pieces. It’s very easy to see how the Leafs could do it. The “quantity” would be the opposite of how the Leafs previously built their team. The Leafs had “quality” with 12 million dollar contracts but almost always lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Meanwhile, a team like Carolina, that builds on “quantity” and great coaching wins a lot of games, a lot of playoff rounds and is in the Cup Final.
For the purpose of this discussion, when I say “1st round pick” it is a means of value. That means it could be a former 1st round pick, a current 1st round pick, a top prospect considered as valuable as a 1st round pick or a young roster player who was a 1st round pick or equal and significant value. For example, Rantanen cost: Logan Stankoven (young roster player equivalent to a 1st round pick in value), conditional 1st in 2026, a conditional 1st in 2028, 3rd in 2026 and 3rd in 2027. That is the same value as three 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks.
Step 1: Commit to a full rebuild. The Leafs don’t own their own 1st round pick for 2027 or 2028. That makes tanking good for Boston and Philadelphia. However, if they use the 2027 regular season as a year to rebuild the value of players, they can start the fire sale half way into the season and finish it off at the deadline for maximum value.
Step 2: Trade Matthews. He’s the biggest chip. If Matthews goes around January, absolutely everybody else jumps ship willingly by the deadline because they know the dance is over.
Step 3: Retain salary on big contracts to increase return. Matthews is incredibly valuable as is but @ 50% retained, that’s extremely valuable to a contender. And if one contender is in on Matthews, multiple others will join the bidding war. The same would happen for Nylander @ 50% retained. Then there are the other pieces over 25 such as OEL, Carlo, Tanev and McCabe. Teams always overpay for depth D at the deadline. The Leafs have four pieces, one of which the Leafs themselves pissed away a 1st and a top prospect to acquire last year.
Step 4: Acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. The Leafs, needing to rebuild, won’t need the cap space until beyond 2030 when all those contracts expire and while all the new prospects are on cheap ELC. Leafs could also continue to take on bad contracts for draft picks as Chayka has done many, many times before to reach the cap floor and increase draft capital. If the Leafs take 3 or 4 bad contracts, that could also add up to more 1st / 2nd round picks as we saw the Leafs pay many times to dump the likes of Marleau and Mrazek. Current examples include Gallagher from Montreal and Hill from Vegas. Both could bring the Leafs an additional two 1st round picks for acquiring bad contracts. By acquiring Hill, the Leafs could also trade Stolarz for something, probably not a 1st but a future piece regardless.
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Matthews 50% retained (6.625 AAV until 2028): Four 1st round picks of value. Matthews, the 50 goal scorer, is already worth four 1st round picks. At 6.625, he’s worth more. With an extension, he’s worth even more. Four 1st round picks is the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE for that type of value. As many as five or even six pieces could be demanded if a bidding war begins.
Nylander 50% retained (5.75 AAV until 2030) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Three 1st round picks. 40 goal, 80 point player for 5.75 is EASILY worth three 1st round picks, maybe more.
Tanev 50% retained (2.25 AAV until 2030) at the TDL: 1st round pick. Players like Tanev go for a 1st every year. Holding 50% of salary reduces cap hit in case of injury and increases return.
OEL at the TDL: 1st round pick + prospect (High value player, low salary)
McCabe at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid more than a 1st for McCabe)
Carlo at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st + Minten)
Tavares at the TDL: 1st round pick (If Laughton = 1st, Tavares would get one easily as a 30 goal, 70 point player and low cap hit). If the team is blown up, Tavares will chase a Cup.Acquire Gallagher + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire Hill + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire another bad contract + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Trade Stolarz for a 2nd round pick.That’s easily twelve (minimum) to fifteen (maximum) 1st round picks for a full tear down fire sale. Trading down at the draft could also get the Leafs an additional 1st round pick.
Knies | (Matthews trade) | Cowan
Stenberg (Trade down) | (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (Matthews trade) | 1st (Tavares trade) | 1st (Nylander trade)
1st (Tanev) | 1st (Gallagher bad contract) | 1st round pick (Trade down)1st (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (McCabe) | 1st (Carlo)
1st (OEL) | DanfordWoll
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1st (Hill bad contract)
2nd (Stolarz)That doesn’t even include the Leafs getting a lottery pick if they tank in 2029 and 2030 as well. If they did that, they’d add two more pieces under 25 in less than four years. It also doesn’t include the Leafs signing UFA veterans to short term contracts to fill out the roster and then trading them at the trade deadlines so they remain competitive but aren’t risking the long term cap situation.
It also doesn’t include trading Knies (who I prefer to keep because he’s under 25), who we saw was worth three / four 1st round picks worth of value. If the Leafs traded him as well, that would bring the total up to nineteen total pieces of 1st round pick value. Quite literally, enough pieces to replace every single spot on the roster with a player under 25 and on an entry level contract.
After that process is done, the Leafs could afford to splash on free agents as they’d be scraping the cap floor and they could decide to also trade some of their young pieces for more established players as they move closer to the playoffs.
Rebuild. Hard.
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A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
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A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
Nope, you’re just too retarded to understand the methodology.
Knies can either stay or be traded. He works in both scenarios.
Having their own two 1sts would be better but walking Matthews to UFA status is pure retard behavior that of course you endorse. Keep dreaming that they can re-tool with no prospects, no farm system, no UFAs and Matthews can score 100 goals by himself without Marner to a Cup.
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Leafs are going to retain 50% salary until 2032 on Nylander lmfao
it gets dumber the more you read
Dumb is believing he’s gonna win a Cup in Toronto by 2032.
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Tear down and rebuild in 3 years hahaha
just absolute nonsenseretain 50% on Nylander for 6 years lol
like every 1st round pick will be an NHLer lol
they wont get top 5 picks, they will all be 15-32You’re clearly too stupid to read what “1st round pick” worth of value means, trying to pretend the entire process is just drafting 18 year old, 1st round picks.
Montreal just went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in how many years?
But that’s unpossible! Maybe it’s impossible for a Leafs GM or their fans to figure it out but it’s possible.
Where did Montreal get Hutson? 2nd round. Caufield? 15th overall. Suzuki? 13th overall, acquired for Patches (Matthews and Nylander are WAY more valuable).
Cowan? Late 1st round pick. Same with Danford. Knies? 2nd round pick. Leafs have a 1st overall pick this year they can turn into a top 5 pick and another 1st.
You’re literally just too retarded to understand.
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I was reading this trade proposal:
The Maple Leafs would send Knies, Jacob Quillan, and a 2nd-rounder to Chicago, and get back the No. 4 pick (Reid if available), plus Oliver Moore and Kevin Korchinski.
I don’t know man. It would be hard for me to trade Knies as I see him as a Kreider type player.
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I was reading this trade proposal:
The Maple Leafs would send Knies, Jacob Quillan, and a 2nd-rounder to Chicago, and get back the No. 4 pick (Reid if available), plus Oliver Moore and Kevin Korchinski.
I don’t know man. It would be hard for me to trade Knies as I see him as a Kreider type player.
Trading Knies could really help fix the Leafs blue line.Trading Matthews and Nylander would really help fix the Leafs blueline with a full rebuild.
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Montreal just went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in how many years You’re missing something. Montreal had all of their first rounders plus 1st rounders they acquired when they did their rebuild. The Habs could control the narrative due to being able to manipulate their positioning in the draft, to fall further down and draft in the top 5. The Leafs don’t have this for the next 2 years. They can’t just bottom out and get a top 5 pick by tanking and playing their AHLer’s. Those picks are gone. No one’s gifting you a top 5 pick without a substantial piece going the other way. Damage control for 2 years in necessary. Keep those picks later in the draft and deny your conference foes a star player due to fucktard Treliving. The Leafs need to play their cards, this year. Run Matthews with whoever they draft and Knies. Try and salvage a playoff spot, or at least be in contention and keep that pick from being the next Tukka Rask, or Dougie Hamilton. It’s stupid to kill yourself for the vultures to pick your dried bones. Besides, MLS&E will never allow it, due to needing playoff ratings.
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You’re missing something. Montreal had all of their first rounders plus 1st rounders they acquired when they did their rebuild.
Let’s go through this point by point to make it really simple for everybody here.
Montreal drafted 1st overall (Slav), 5th overall (Reinbacher) and 5th overall (Demidov) then made the Wild Card and then the Conference Finals. Their best players were not the guys they drafted in the lottery. Those guys will boost them as they develop but they were passengers for the most part. Their best players were Caufield who they drafted 15th (2019), Suzuki (former 13th overall pick) who they got in a trade for Patches and Hutson who they drafted in the 2nd round (2022). Are you following along so far? Okay, good.
So, right now, the Leafs are about to draft 1st overall. If they keep the pick, they have their lottery player. If they trade down, they still have a top 5 pick plus another 1st round pick. They also have Cowan, Knies and Danford in the system under 25. Still following? Good.
If they trade just Matthews and Nylander, they can easily acquire seven 1st round picks worth of value. That means any combination of assets. It could be a top-six player that is under 23 (Will Smith), that means a top prospect ready to jump to the NHL from junior or the NCAA that was a top pick (Misa). That means a lottery pick like 2nd overall from San Jose. That means any combination of those assets. And all of those players can become impact players either right away or within the next 3 years.
Additionally, they could easily acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. They could also easily trade their blueline for 1st round picks (or prospects under 25) at the deadline. All of those assets could be used to draft 18 year olds or they could be trades that bring in players that are already drafted, rookies or young roster players. That means players that can contribute in the NHL right away or within 3 years.
The Habs could control the narrative due to being able to manipulate their positioning in the draft, to fall further down and draft in the top 5. The Leafs don’t have this for the next 2 years. They can’t just bottom out and get a top 5 pick by tanking and playing their AHLer’s.
The sports media owns the Leafs. They can control whatever narrative they want. But it wouldn’t matter anyway because MLSE could dress 20 monkeys throwing shit at each other and the tickets would still all be sold out. The players and the assets the Leafs acquire would NOT automatically drop them to 32nd overall. If they use Matthews and Nylander to acquire young, up and coming roster players or top prospects, those players will be in the NHL immediately. It would be closer to what the Leafs were like when Matthews and Marner were 60-70 point rookie / sophomore players. The Leafs didn’t tank those seasons, they were actually a wild card team.
Those picks are gone.
Yup, they are. That doesn’t mean you have to wait two years while Matthews walks to UFA status to demolish your chances at cashing on his maximum value.
No one’s gifting you a top 5 pick without a substantial piece going the other way.
Who the fuck ever said the Leafs would be given a gift of a top 5 pick? How many times does it need to be said that trading Matthews and Nylander with 50% retained is what you are sending the other way. If Matthews and Nylander got you two top 5 picks in this draft right now plus 5 other 1st round pieces, it’s as if the Leafs are drafting in the lottery three times in one year. Or three times in two years. Whatever combination you want to conjure up, the Leafs are bringing in high value assets for Matthews and Nylander. That’s their draft lottery but all at once, not spread out over 5 years.
Damage control for 2 years in necessary.
The “damage control” is a plan and that plan should be to maximize their draft capital to do a full blown rebuild to add to their under 25 assets. Leafs fans will beLeaf just about anything the media will serve them. They are blue no matter who (like Democrats). It’s the easiest sell job in history if you get the correct returns on your top assets.
Keep those picks later in the draft and deny your conference foes a star player due to fucktard Treliving.
The scenario you keep endorsing walks Matthews to free agency just like Marner. So congratulations, Boston and Philadelphia get shit picks and the Leafs lose their most valuable asset to kick start a major rebuild. And then what comes after that? Then you have to sit there for 3-5 years of bottom feeding and praying you win more lotteries to recover the assets you could have just got by trading Matthews and Nylander at peak value. Boston and Philadelphia could get a top prospect but the Leafs would be swimming with an entire team of 1st round picks in less than 3 years time. Advantage would still be for the Leafs.
The Leafs need to play their cards, this year.
There are no more cards to play. It’s over.
Run Matthews with whoever they draft and Knies.
Pointless. They already shat the bed last year and the division is only getting younger, faster and stronger. The Leafs throwing an overhyped rookie into the 1st line and praying for a miracle is exactly how you ruin a top prospect which is precisely what the Leafs are masters of doing. Time to change that pattern of failure, not repeat it expecting different results.
Try and salvage a playoff spot, or at least be in contention and keep that pick from being the next Tukka Rask, or Dougie Hamilton.
Yeah right, playoffs. Nice fantasy. Again, you can put your wasted energy in trying to spite your rivals but it only hurts the Leafs more. It only delays the inevitable and it only lowers the value of the players. Keeping Matthews long enough into the season to boost his value (January) is the maximum he should be kept for.
It’s stupid to kill yourself for the vultures to pick your dried bones.
What’s stupid is expecting this team to be any different or any better with no realistic UFA options, no trade options and no major changes. It’s over. It’s time to blow it up. They have nothing left to keep the Titanic from sinking; it’s already smashed the iceberg.
Besides, MLS&E will never allow it, due to needing playoff ratings.
False. MLSE needs to create a winner. A 1st round exit means fuck all to them and fuck all to the fans. It’s time to get serious about making sacrifices to be champions. And it starts with blowing up this team and starting over. This team will end up rebuilding, it’s just a question of will they trade their assets now and do it the easy way or will they run their players into UFA status and have to do it the long, slow, retarded way you yourself suggest they have no interest in doing.
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here are the combine results (top 10) in each category
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https://x.com/ByronMBader/status/2064738576622039352?s=20
As iv said before, i think if Mckenna stayed in the WHL, he would have put up silly numbers and had a higher NHLe
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As iv said before, i think if Mckenna stayed in the WHL, he would have put up silly numbers and had a higher NHLe
going to be fun on draft nightThere is really only a couple of scenarios if you move the first pick. Our 1st to Vancouver for pick 3 and a second first (24th overall), this year. It could also be a top draft pick from a year ago. Second Scenario is Calgary. The Flames 1st (6th Overall) and Calgary’s first next year.
If it’s Vancouver, it gives the Leafs a shot at Stenberg, if the Sharks take a defenseman, or the Leafs get the best defenseman in the draft. If it’s Calgary, they still get a shot at one of the top 3 defensemen, or Malhotra slips to 6 and they gain the best Centre in the draft. Either scenario gets you a second first rounder, or a top end prospect.
Food for thought.
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Marlies/Wolves for the Calder Cup is going to run a week past the NHL playoffs. I don’t know why they’re not going to telecast those games on our Cable sports packages. TSN has 5 channels, Sportsnet 6. They could at least use the Toronto area market to show those games. Of course we get the World Cup stinking up the dial, as well as the dismal Jays. Such a lost opportunity for MLS&E to promote one of their franchises, even if it’s for a week to 10 days only.
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Marlies/Wolves for the Calder Cup is going to run a week past the NHL playoffs. I don’t know why they’re not going to telecast those games on our Cable sports packages. TSN has 5 channels, Sportsnet 6. They could at least use the Toronto area market to show those games. Of course we get the World Cup stinking up the dial, as well as the dismal Jays. Such a lost opportunity for MLS&E to promote one of their franchises, even if it’s for a week to 10 days only.
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Get IPTV. You’ll see everything you could dream of watching including high school table tennis in 4K.
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Get IPTV. You’ll see everything you could dream of watching including high school table tennis in 4K.
I’ve been watching ONTV on the computer. It’s not the best quality, but it’ll do in a pinch. I’m an audio/videophile so it would be nice to watch it on my top end television.
One more Carolina goal might put an end to the game tonight.
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It appears that Carolina’s Captain may steal Mitch Marner’s Conn Smythe trophy. It’s going to take a lot for Vegas to come back in this series. Vegas appears to be grinding down. They’ve played many more playoff games than Carolina and the constant grind of the playoffs is taking it’s toll. I figure Carolina will take them in game 6, probably in overtime. Carolina has out chanced them in this series and the young goaltender seems to be stealing the show. The first 10 minutes of game 6 will tell the story. Vegas will throw everything at them in period 1. If it’s tied or Carolina is ahead, Vegas is toast.
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It appears that Carolina’s Captain may steal Mitch Marner’s Conn Smythe trophy. It’s going to take a lot for Vegas to come back in this series. Vegas appears to be grinding down. They’ve played many more playoff games than Carolina and the constant grind of the playoffs is taking it’s toll. I figure Carolina will take them in game 6, probably in overtime. Carolina has out chanced them in this series and the young goaltender seems to be stealing the show. The first 10 minutes of game 6 will tell the story. Vegas will throw everything at them in period 1. If it’s tied or Carolina is ahead, Vegas is toast.
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It’s pretty simple right now; Eichel is getting beat and Carter Hart has a .854 SV% giving up 4 goals every single game. I don’t care what team you are, you’re not winning a Cup when your #1 center can’t win a FO, has only 2 goals in the entire playoffs and your goalie is giving up 4 goals a game making only 85% of the saves. Vegas needs Eichel to stop playing like Matthews and some saves from Hart. Karlsson seems to have broken his arm so he’s done for the series and Carolina getting 5 PPs while Carolina only gets called for pucks over the glass helps a lot too.
Full credit to Carolina, they’re playing out of this world, Rod has them running through walls and the puck luck has been on their side when historically it hasn’t been.
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Correct course of action
Trade: Matthews Nylander Tavares Joshua Lorentz Domi Rielly OEL Carlo Tanev McCabe Stolarz and Woll
Absorb a few bad contracts for more assets
Go Leafs Go
100% correct.
Tyler Seguin, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Ondrej Palat, Jordan Greenway, Brendan Gallagher and Adin Hill are all candidates for the Leafs to acquire a bad contract + a 1st and other draft capital.
If the Leafs used their cap space to acquire 6 first round picks for them, it would be a huge success.
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Marlies at Wolves, Game 1 of the Calder Cup Championship. Sportsnet 360 at 8PM.
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Fuck This CaptchaThe Marlies may be the last hockey team standing, with the Cup possibly being won by Carolina tonight. Let’s hope that Carolina wins it, Marner gets shut out, then Leafs Nation can give a big sigh of relief. It’s been tough on the Leafs Nation, with the Habs getting to round 3 and almost making it to the finals…..a no-no for us Original Six Centurians. Then having to deal with the Mercenary, Marner, possibly winning the Cup and the Conn Smythe. Freddie did us a favor and parachuted out of the crease, so we can put that one to bed as well. OK Jordan Staal…you’re up!
I spend more time fucking around with these ridiculous Captchas than reading or posting on this site. It’s not like it’s a banking site, or moderated for content site, so why give us this bullshit to deal with????
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The Marlies may be the last hockey team standing, with the Cup possibly being won by Carolina tonight. Let’s hope that Carolina wins it, Marner gets shut out, then Leafs Nation can give a big sigh of relief. It’s been tough on the Leafs Nation, with the Habs getting to round 3 and almost making it to the finals…..a no-no for us Original Six Centurians. Then having to deal with the Mercenary, Marner, possibly winning the Cup and the Conn Smythe. Freddie did us a favor and parachuted out of the crease, so we can put that one to bed as well. OK Jordan Staal…you’re up!
I spend more time fucking around with these ridiculous Captchas than reading or posting on this site. It’s not like it’s a banking site, or moderated for content site, so why give us this bullshit to deal with????
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Pretty obvious McKenna to the Leafs. Cannot believe there is talk Stenberg might drop to Chicago at 4.
what if the Leafs traded Knies for that 4th over all pick?
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what if the Leafs traded Knies for that 4th over all pick?
There has to be a sweetner. Knies is a known commodity, whoever goes 4th in the draft is not. Maybe an addition of a late 1st rounder, or a good prospect could make that happen. Besides, other teams might do a better deal for Knies, if he’s put into the market.
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Pretty obvious McKenna to the Leafs. Cannot believe there is talk Stenberg might drop to Chicago at 4.
what if the Leafs traded Knies for that 4th over all pick?
I think the Leafs would take a D.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/three-team-first-round-pick-trade-just-got-more-complicated/ar-AA25vMfe
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I think the Leafs would take a D.
I think so too.
this would also be a multi piece deal.
like Knies, Quillam,2026 2nd rnd pck for the 4th over all 2026, Oliver Moore (F) and Kevin Korchinski (D)
Leafs go on to draft Keaton VerhoeffI’d rather keep the 2nd rnd pck and they can keep Moore
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Yeah, they would need to take a defenseman at #4. It depends who takes what with the 2 and 3 picks. I still think there needs to be other moving parts to make that deal work with Chicago. Maybe a 1st rounder, top 10 protected from the Hawks, the next year. We could offer a second rounder with Knies to get that deal done. We could even flip them Robertson instead of the 2nd.
Leafs should also re-sign Scott Laughton for the 4th line.
Lets hope that we make the playoffs or just barely miss, so we can start offloading those owed draft picks. The Leafs can’t do a proper retool without their own picks.
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p.s. UG must be in his crypt for the weekend, or his Borg cubicle.
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The order in which the D get selected seems to be pretty fluid. Reid seems to be the near consensus 1st D off the board at the moment.
I have been impressed with Albert Smits, but he is definitely mostly rated bottom end of top 10. Carels seems to be ranked higher than Verhoeff in most recent drafts but who knows what order they get taken in.
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Scott Laughton will get about 5M cap hit over 4 year me think.
I’d have him as the 3rd line centerMcKenna (Leafs)
Ried
Malhotra
Verhoeff (Leafs)
Stenberg5 AAV x 4 for a 32 year old with 12 goals and 20 points. That’s retarded.
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what if the Leafs traded Knies for that 4th over all pick?
Then Matthews requests his ticket out of town immediately and the rebuild goes full blast.
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So no points and -4 in games 5-6. LOLZ. Here comes the name calling and blame shifting.
I’ll say it. Mercenary Marner, you get your just reward. I might have thought differently about you, but you couldn’t keep your mouth shut. I think that Carolina deserved this Championship. Their defensive play was astounding. Such discipline. Vegas has a lot of sleaze on their roster. Marner and Eichel were mercenaries. Hart was blacklisted, but Vegas brought him in anyway. Torts was also a sleaze merchant. It proves that the Eastern Conference is the dominant Conference. All that’s left is the Calder Cup and hope that the Marlies makes us proud. Then the draft and free agency. Almost summer time. I’m guessing there’s some incoming from AA and UG. Maybe some antibuse is in order for these two. Too much of the Marner cool-aid in their veins. Maybe some humble crow pie is in order. In reality, I don’t mind debating with AA and UG. They do make some good arguments, but they’ll be bombastic after this, I’m sure.
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So no points and -4 in games 5-6. LOLZ. Here comes the name calling and blame shifting.
How many playoff points did Nylander, Matthews and Tavares have this year? Oh right, you’re too retarded to accept that reality.
Marner led the playoffs in scoring while the Leafs were one of the worst teams in the NHL. But you let me know when Matthews, Nylander and/or Tavares make the Cup Final and lead the NHL in playoff scoring. Make sure you hold your breath until it happens too.
Hart giving up 4 goals a game for 5 out of 6 games and Eichel having 2 playoff goals is how any team loses a Cup Final vs. a team as good as Carolina. Carolina was the favorite for good reason. They’re the best coached team in the NHL, they play a relentless style of hockey and they finally got over the hump after years of failure. They deserved it. Vegas played great but when you have key players injured, your #1 center being completely useless in the face-off dot, missing wide open nets and your goalie not keeping you in games, it’s only a matter of time before a team like Carolina takes full advantage of it.
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So no points and -4 in games 5-6. LOLZ. Here comes the name calling and blame shifting.
I’ll say it. Mercenary Marner, you get your just reward. I might have thought differently about you, but you couldn’t keep your mouth shut. I think that Carolina deserved this Championship. Their defensive play was astounding. Such discipline. Vegas has a lot of sleaze on their roster. Marner and Eichel were mercenaries. Hart was blacklisted, but Vegas brought him in anyway. Torts was also a sleaze merchant. It proves that the Eastern Conference is the dominant Conference. All that’s left is the Calder Cup and hope that the Marlies makes us proud. Then the draft and free agency. Almost summer time. I’m guessing there’s some incoming from AA and UG. Maybe some antibuse is in order for these two. Too much of the Marner cool-aid in their veins. Maybe some humble crow pie is in order. In reality, I don’t mind debating with AA and UG. They do make some good arguments, but they’ll be bombastic after this, I’m sure.
Captcha bullshit, take a hike!!!
Kool-Aid drinking is BeLeafing the Leafs are better off without Marner and Marner proved it because the proof is clear. One led the playoffs in scoring, the other was one of the worst teams in the NHL. Much like McDavid the last two years leading the playoffs in scoring, unfortunately, one player can’t win you a Cup by himself anymore. But that doesn’t mean those individuals aren’t still great players, they’re just on the losing team. Carolina wanted Marner and if he went there instead of Vegas, he’d be a Cup winner. Is Carolina stupid for wanting Marner? Clearly, they were vindicated in wanting him too. They’d probably have won 16 in a row if they had Marner.
There is zero “sleaze” on Vegas. Hart was not guilty. Maybe you became a Dummycrat over this series but not guilty means not guilty. Nothing wrong with Torts either, he’s exactly the type of coach that got Vegas to the Final dance and exactly the type of coach the Leafs refused to hire for years that got huge results in a short period of time. Eichel’s career would be over if he stayed in Buffalo and did whatever bullshit surgery they wanted him to do. He escaped Buffalo and saved his career, no different than Reinhart. Both won a Cup too. Eichel just didn’t show up for this one. This “mercenary” bullshit is a retarded narrative you’ve come up with. I guess that’s why Tavares is going to retire a career loser because he’s a “mercenary” too.
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And, to think, Marner would likely have a cup if he hadn’t screwed the trade for Rantanen.
That must feel nice.
Wouldn’t matter because all the retarded haters would be saying how he only won because he joined the best team, which is what they said when he went to Vegas and it looked like they were the favorite after sweeping Colorado.
At the end of the day, the truth is simple; the Leafs made very bad mistakes and their retarded fans, instead of blaming the team, blame the players that are successful when they leave.
Losers since 1967 and it isn’t an accident anymore.
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You missed the shot of Hart wearing the Western Separatist tee shirt, I guess. No matter. No Habs, no Marner winning. A pretty good end to the season. Mitch can continue to be a circus performer in Vegas with Cirque du Soleil. Maybe Bieber can give him a lift home on his private jet. I’m pretty sure that he’s not injured. Excuses incoming……
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You missed the shot of Hart wearing the Western Separatist tee shirt, I guess. No matter. No Habs, no Marner winning. A pretty good end to the season. Mitch can continue to be a circus performer in Vegas with Cirque du Soleil. Maybe Bieber can give him a lift home on his private jet. I’m pretty sure that he’s not injured. Excuses incoming……
Captcha nonsense.
And? So what? There is an entire party of Quebec Separatists because it’s the only way they get what they want. People in Alberta want to stop subsidizing retarded radical environmentalists so they have to put some pressure on Libtards to make them pay attention to who pays the bills in this country. You really have become a bit of a Dummycrat lately.
Mitch will continue to have success while the Leafs will continue to be an embarrassment to their history.
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I see Brady and Matthew Tkachuk are at the Whitehouse MMA event tonight, sporting their Gold Olympic medals around their necks. I wonder if Auston was there too? Quite a show. I watched this, then turned it over for the 3rd period of the Cup game. Still, one more match to go. Quite a day for the Donald. His 80th Birthday, this event and signing off on a peace treaty with Iran. A pretty good day’s work if I say so myself. For those who hate on this man, he’s the most consequential President that I’ve seen in my lifetime. The World is a safer place with him in the Whitehouse.
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I see Brady and Matthew Tkachuk are at the Whitehouse MMA event tonight, sporting their Gold Olympic medals around their necks. I wonder if Auston was there too? Quite a show. I watched this, then turned it over for the 3rd period of the Cup game. Still, one more match to go. Quite a day for the Donald. His 80th Birthday, this event and signing off on a peace treaty with Iran. A pretty good day’s work if I say so myself. For those who hate on this man, he’s the most consequential President that I’ve seen in my lifetime. The World is a safer place with him in the Whitehouse.
Captchas are an invention of the Left.
Stop bitching about captchas, they’re a necessary evil to stop spam bots from filling every thread with garbage advertising posts like they do on Hockeybuzz.
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And? So what? There is an entire party of Quebec Separatists because it’s the only way they get what they want. Alberta wants to stop subsidizing retarded radical environmentalists so they have to put some pressure on Libtards to make them pay attention to who pays the bills in this country. You really have become a bit of a Dummycrat lately.
Mitch will continue to have success while the Leafs will continue to be an embarrassment to their history.
I think that I know a little more on this topic than you do. I was there as a riding association President who fought against the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords. I’ve been researching and writing about the beginnings of Separatism, in Quebec, for the last year. There is nothing in common with the Alberta Separatist movement. Quebec was about culture and a tinge of revenge against losing New France to England. I saw Charles de Gaulle make his famous speech, in Montreal, in 1967. I also saw the failed return of the British North American Act, in 1982, that spawned a Constitution that is not fulfilled. Quebec never signed it. Alberta, Saskatchewan and for the most part British Columbia are under represented in Ottawa and if this isn’t rectified soon, it may actually come to pass. Besides, the Americans have dibs on Canada, thanks to the Ogdensburg Accord. That accord expires in 2039. Currently, this Accord is on hold due to the Canadian government not living up to their Defense spending. It was signed in 1940, in a little town in Upper New York State called Heuvelton. King George VI, Winston Churchill, MacKenzie King and Franklin Roosevelt signed this document.
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Wow, what a blood match at UFC 250. One of the better matches that I’ve seen. Now controversy.
No controversy. Topuria shouldn’t have even been allowed to fight the 4th round. The doctor called off the fight and they basically forced him to change his mind. Then the corner threw in the towel to save Topuria from permanent, life altering damage.
What a huge upset. That was amazing. Trump and Melania were very in to that fight. Rocky Balboa shit!
Topuria was too small to try and win that type of slugfest. He was better off trying to wrestle and submit Gaethje. Gaethje was in his head and Topuria fought a stupid fight.
Fantastic event, very entertaining, great fights, great finishes and a tremendous success despite everybody trying to stop it or talk shit about it.
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Topuria was too small to try and win that type of slugfest. He was better off trying to wrestle and submit Gaethje. Gaethje was in his head and Topuria fought a stupid fight.
Fantastic event, very entertaining, great fights, great finishes and a tremendous success despite everybody trying to stop it or talk shit about it.
I totally agree on that. It should have been stopped, but someone got to the doctor to keep it going. It also gave Topuria an opportunity to get his breath. He did come out for the first minute and made a fight out of it, but those rib shots crumpled him. Gaethje’s speech after the fight was epic! Pure Americana. I’m sure the kale eaters out there will whine and complain about the testosterone event. All I can say to them is: Fuck you and enjoy your favorite month, losers!
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The end result with the Leafs getting the #1 pick after not getting Full value for Mitch is as good an outcome as I could have hoped for.
they got Roy which they flipped for 2027 1st and 2026 5th.Mckenna/Stenberg a 1st and 5th out of a wasted season
#1 pick doesn’t make the Leafs a contender again nor does it provide the Leafs with a legit cornerstone piece either especially if they waste it on McKenna who only gives the Leafs more of the same style of play that has lost them so many playoff series.
Also, means no 1st in 2027, no 1st in 2028 and one bad move away from Matthews leaving town.
Leafs are worse off as a contender and need to start a full rebuild all because they ran Marner out of town.
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The horse has finally been beaten to death…….
Dead like the Leafs chances at winning a Cup any time soon.
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#1 pick doesn’t make the Leafs a contender again nor does it provide the Leafs with a legit cornerstone piece either especially if they waste it on McKenna who only gives the Leafs more of the same style of play that has lost them so many playoff series.
Also, means no 1st in 2027, no 1st in 2028 and one bad move away from Matthews leaving town.
Leafs are worse off as a contender and need to start a full rebuild all because they ran Marner out of town.
the #1 pick doesnt have to make them an immediate contender, I know you like straw man arguments.
Most #1 picks come to a team thats pretty weak that doesnt have many other good players, and they are expected to be the star immediately. thats not the case here.they dont have thier own 1st in 2027 but they do have a 1st (thanks Mitch).
The Matthews wants to leave stuff has gone cold. It was fluff to begin with. Doing a full rebuild and yes, he would likely want to leave. makes sense. But thats not what is going to happen.
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they dont have thier own 1st in 2027 but they do have a 1st (thanks Mitch).
That 2027 pick to Philly is top 10 protected according to the NHL.
the 2027 avs pick is also top 10 protected.
going to be interesting to see how this all plays out
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