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I was reading this trade proposal:
The Maple Leafs would send Knies, Jacob Quillan, and a 2nd-rounder to Chicago, and get back the No. 4 pick (Reid if available), plus Oliver Moore and Kevin Korchinski.
I don’t know man. It would be hard for me to trade Knies as I see him as a Kreider type player.
Trading Knies could really help fix the Leafs blue line.Tear down and rebuild in 3 years hahaha
just absolute nonsenseretain 50% on Nylander for 6 years lol
like every 1st round pick will be an NHLer lol
they wont get top 5 picks, they will all be 15-32You’re clearly too stupid to read what “1st round pick” worth of value means, trying to pretend the entire process is just drafting 18 year old, 1st round picks.
Montreal just went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in how many years?
But that’s unpossible! Maybe it’s impossible for a Leafs GM or their fans to figure it out but it’s possible.
Where did Montreal get Hutson? 2nd round. Caufield? 15th overall. Suzuki? 13th overall, acquired for Patches (Matthews and Nylander are WAY more valuable).
Cowan? Late 1st round pick. Same with Danford. Knies? 2nd round pick. Leafs have a 1st overall pick this year they can turn into a top 5 pick and another 1st.
You’re literally just too retarded to understand.
Tear down and rebuild in 3 years hahaha
just absolute nonsenseretain 50% on Nylander for 6 years lol
like every 1st round pick will be an NHLer lol
they wont get top 5 picks, they will all be 15-32Leafs are going to retain 50% salary until 2032 on Nylander lmfao
it gets dumber the more you read
Dumb is believing he’s gonna win a Cup in Toronto by 2032.
A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
Nope, you’re just too retarded to understand the methodology.
Knies can either stay or be traded. He works in both scenarios.
Having their own two 1sts would be better but walking Matthews to UFA status is pure retard behavior that of course you endorse. Keep dreaming that they can re-tool with no prospects, no farm system, no UFAs and Matthews can score 100 goals by himself without Marner to a Cup.
A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
twelve 1st round picks eh !!!
Oh boy
Me think someone is over exagerating, over evaluating Leafs players and what other teams are willing to give up those late 1st round picks even with 50% retained on some contracts.
Does quantity outweigh quality?Nope. If the Leafs play their cards right, they could get easily twelve 1st round picks worth of value and as many as nineteen if they maximize their opportunities.
As we saw with what Montreal was willing to pay for Knies at the deadline, the Leafs have a tremendous opportunity to quickly recover assets for individual pieces. It’s very easy to see how the Leafs could do it. The “quantity” would be the opposite of how the Leafs previously built their team. The Leafs had “quality” with 12 million dollar contracts but almost always lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Meanwhile, a team like Carolina, that builds on “quantity” and great coaching wins a lot of games, a lot of playoff rounds and is in the Cup Final.
For the purpose of this discussion, when I say “1st round pick” it is a means of value. That means it could be a former 1st round pick, a current 1st round pick, a top prospect considered as valuable as a 1st round pick or a young roster player who was a 1st round pick or equal and significant value. For example, Rantanen cost: Logan Stankoven (young roster player equivalent to a 1st round pick in value), conditional 1st in 2026, a conditional 1st in 2028, 3rd in 2026 and 3rd in 2027. That is the same value as three 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks.
Step 1: Commit to a full rebuild. The Leafs don’t own their own 1st round pick for 2027 or 2028. That makes tanking good for Boston and Philadelphia. However, if they use the 2027 regular season as a year to rebuild the value of players, they can start the fire sale half way into the season and finish it off at the deadline for maximum value.
Step 2: Trade Matthews. He’s the biggest chip. If Matthews goes around January, absolutely everybody else jumps ship willingly by the deadline because they know the dance is over.
Step 3: Retain salary on big contracts to increase return. Matthews is incredibly valuable as is but @ 50% retained, that’s extremely valuable to a contender. And if one contender is in on Matthews, multiple others will join the bidding war. The same would happen for Nylander @ 50% retained. Then there are the other pieces over 25 such as OEL, Carlo, Tanev and McCabe. Teams always overpay for depth D at the deadline. The Leafs have four pieces, one of which the Leafs themselves pissed away a 1st and a top prospect to acquire last year.
Step 4: Acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. The Leafs, needing to rebuild, won’t need the cap space until beyond 2030 when all those contracts expire and while all the new prospects are on cheap ELC. Leafs could also continue to take on bad contracts for draft picks as Chayka has done many, many times before to reach the cap floor and increase draft capital. If the Leafs take 3 or 4 bad contracts, that could also add up to more 1st / 2nd round picks as we saw the Leafs pay many times to dump the likes of Marleau and Mrazek. Current examples include Gallagher from Montreal and Hill from Vegas. Both could bring the Leafs an additional two 1st round picks for acquiring bad contracts. By acquiring Hill, the Leafs could also trade Stolarz for something, probably not a 1st but a future piece regardless.
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Matthews 50% retained (6.625 AAV until 2028): Four 1st round picks of value. Matthews, the 50 goal scorer, is already worth four 1st round picks. At 6.625, he’s worth more. With an extension, he’s worth even more. Four 1st round picks is the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE for that type of value. As many as five or even six pieces could be demanded if a bidding war begins.
Nylander 50% retained (5.75 AAV until 2030) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Three 1st round picks. 40 goal, 80 point player for 5.75 is EASILY worth three 1st round picks, maybe more.
Tanev 50% retained (2.25 AAV until 2030) at the TDL: 1st round pick. Players like Tanev go for a 1st every year. Holding 50% of salary reduces cap hit in case of injury and increases return.
OEL at the TDL: 1st round pick + prospect (High value player, low salary)
McCabe at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid more than a 1st for McCabe)
Carlo at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st + Minten)
Tavares at the TDL: 1st round pick (If Laughton = 1st, Tavares would get one easily as a 30 goal, 70 point player and low cap hit). If the team is blown up, Tavares will chase a Cup.Acquire Gallagher + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire Hill + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire another bad contract + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Trade Stolarz for a 2nd round pick.That’s easily twelve (minimum) to fifteen (maximum) 1st round picks for a full tear down fire sale. Trading down at the draft could also get the Leafs an additional 1st round pick.
Knies | (Matthews trade) | Cowan
Stenberg (Trade down) | (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (Matthews trade) | 1st (Tavares trade) | 1st (Nylander trade)
1st (Tanev) | 1st (Gallagher bad contract) | 1st round pick (Trade down)1st (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (McCabe) | 1st (Carlo)
1st (OEL) | DanfordWoll
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1st (Hill bad contract)
2nd (Stolarz)That doesn’t even include the Leafs getting a lottery pick if they tank in 2029 and 2030 as well. If they did that, they’d add two more pieces under 25 in less than four years. It also doesn’t include the Leafs signing UFA veterans to short term contracts to fill out the roster and then trading them at the trade deadlines so they remain competitive but aren’t risking the long term cap situation.
It also doesn’t include trading Knies (who I prefer to keep because he’s under 25), who we saw was worth three / four 1st round picks worth of value. If the Leafs traded him as well, that would bring the total up to nineteen total pieces of 1st round pick value. Quite literally, enough pieces to replace every single spot on the roster with a player under 25 and on an entry level contract.
After that process is done, the Leafs could afford to splash on free agents as they’d be scraping the cap floor and they could decide to also trade some of their young pieces for more established players as they move closer to the playoffs.
Rebuild. Hard.
tanking an doing a total rebuild would be a 5-10 year process, not 2 or 3 thats fucking stupid. esp if you trade Matthews and Nylander. and not having their own picks for 2 draft makes it even more idiotic.
Incorrect. It takes 5-10 years if the Leafs wait for Matthews to walk for nothing and start from literal zero. It’s not fucking stupid, Montreal literally just proved you to be retarded by doing it in a short period of time. Not having their own 1sts does hurt, that would have made the process even better but the value they have in Matthews, Nylander plus the rest of the blueline would yield a tremendous amount of under 25 capital.
Montreal as the example is also stupid. You can also use Buffalo who tanked and missed the playoffs for 15 years, they had picks 8, 2, 2, 8, 8, 1, 7, 8, 1, 9, in 10 consecutive drafts. also pacioretty for suzuki happened 8 fucking years ago
So it proves you wrong therefore it’s stupid? Montreal tanked for 3 years, Wild Card, Conference Finals. That’s just facts that prove you wrong. The Suzuki trade is just one of many examples of a team trading their top player for a younger, future core piece of the puzzle. If Patches could get Suzuki, Matthews and Nylander could easily get, at worst, one core piece each in return but probably more with 50% retained and multiple future pieces coming back the Leafs way. It doesn’t take 8 years for that to happen.
Buffalo is an organization of retards like yourself. They fumbled Eichel, Reinhart and just have no fucking idea how to run an organization. Chayka is also a retard who can’t draft or win a trade but the assets the Leafs have are there on the table. They just have to be used correctly.
Take Chicago also, they won in 2015, stumbled around for 5 years, have not made the playoff 6 years in a row and are still not even close to being a fringe playoff team let alone a contender
Blah blah blah, you’re wrong again. You are comparing apples to tire irons. Chicago did not have the benefit of blowing up their team the way the Leafs currently do. The Blackhawks didn’t get any value for Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford etc. They ran their core into the ground to the point where they had ZERO value in return. That’s what forced them into the long rebuild. The exact same retarded rebuild you would be stuck with if you tried to “re-tool” this team into a position where the Leafs get less value for Matthews, Nylander etc.
completely tearing things down and rebuilding takes many years to build back to a competitive playoff team, and they still may not get back to a contender, it also takes a lot of luck and timing.
Wrong. It only takes that long if the Leafs walk Matthews to UFA status like they did with Marner like retards. It does take luck and timing but the Leafs have never been luckier and the time is right. They have a base of Knies, Cowan, Danford, a couple other prospects playing well for the Marlies and a 1st overall pick. Trading Matthews, Nylander and the rest of the pieces of value, especially with retained salary, easily give the Leafs another 10-12 pieces of value. Add to that acquiring 1st round picks for bad contracts and the Leafs could overhaul the entire roster with players under 25 in 3 years.
Now is not the time for the Leafs to tear it down.
Right now is absolutely the best time to tear it down and start over. Re-tooling is objectively retarded.
