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For those of you comparing McTavish at 22 years old to Benny in his prime, remember when Benny was 22 years old he was putzing around with the Flames putting up 27 pts while McTavish had 52 pts. The epitome of apples to oranges. Again, it’s about a team’s current makeup/needs as to whether #1 center or #1 RD is more needed (not more important).
Teams current needs? For fun let’s say we trade Rinzel or Arty, who in the pipeline even comes close to the ability of either one on the right side defensively? No one so then you immediately create a need for another RDman when you actually have a ton of forwards who one of whom may possibly become that center. No offense but that would be a horrific trade.
Friendly reminder we won 3 SCs without a bonafide second liner.Dots, you’re struggling to keep up buddy. Read it again, slowly this time: “it’s about a team’s current makeup/needs as to whether #1 center or #1 RD is more needed”. Didn’t mention the Hawks, just said “a team’s”. For example (for fun as you say), one could argue Toronto given all the scoring they had up and down the lineup would value a #1 RD over a #1 center. If they traded Matthews for Makar (which would never happen), Toronto would be better off as long as they kept Marner and extended Knies. Sorry Queafs fans, but you’re not getting past Florida to the Cup Final if your top pairing is Rielly/Tanev and some fillers.
For those of you comparing McTavish at 22 years old to Benny in his prime, remember when Benny was 22 years old he was putzing around with the Flames putting up 27 pts while McTavish had 52 pts. The epitome of apples to oranges. Again, it’s about a team’s current makeup/needs as to whether #1 center or #1 RD is more needed (not more important).
Riddle me this, Batman…would the Queafs trade Matthews for a #1 RD?
Nice cherry pick Assman.
Would you trade Rinzel or Lev for any of:
Elis Lindholm, Tage Thompson, Sebastion Aho, Roope Hintz, Dylan Larkin, Nick Suzuki, Ziby, Point, Pettersson, Scheifele, Keller?
Still butthurt about the Hoosiers whooping your Illini lol? Given where Hawks are in the rebuild, no I would not. However, if the Hawks were contending, yes I would trade Arty for Tage Thompson. I’d also happily trade Matthews(#1 center) for Makar(#1 RD).
Then you have whatever combination of Dickinson, Mikh, Foligno, Slaggert, Greene.
All of a sudden we have actual depth and guys you can bounce up and down the line up.
Greene will be playing in Rockford. Not sold that Kyle wants any of the young guys to start the year in Chicago. I think he’s already made up his mind he wants them all starting together in Rockford. Go to CapWages and look at the forward groups for Chicago and Rockford currently. Not one young forward on the Rockford roster is a free agent after this season. The Chicago roster has 5-6 forwards that’ll be free agents and most likely not coming back then Kyle can fill those voids at the TDL by moving young forwards up and sign a couple big name forwards in the summer, then backfill all those young forward spots in Rockford with the next wave of prospects like Kantserov, Vanacker, Spellacy, Pridham, Boisvert, Frondell, etc.
In 2-3 years, you’ll see lesser skilled players like Greene, Slaggert, and Dach be replaced by better younger guys and the group of old vets contracts (Teuvo, Bert, Barkovsky) will expire creating top 6-9 spots for said next wave of prospects. The plan is there to see on paper with an open mind.
I will say this about the current Chicago roster. I don’t see Reichel making it to opening day. They’ll trade him or release him. Then the new whipping boy will be Dachtor.
3rd line looks like Slaggs and Mik with Dickinson. Foligno’s 37 years of age is likely going to be on the 4th line with Dachtor and Laffy.
Assman22
There are more legitimate #1 centers in the league than legitimate #1 RD’s, so I’m going to respectfully disagree. Look at the Leafs, they have Matthews as a #1 center, who’s their #1 RD? Let me say this, they are both very important positions on a hockey team, however as much as I like McTavish, he’s not a #1 center. The Hawks are in an envious position to have possibly two legitimate #1 RD’s, I would run with them for the next ten years.Riddle me this, Batman…would the Queafs trade Matthews for a #1 RD?
Trading a RHD like Arty or Rinzel should get us a bonified #1 centerman plus.
This doesn’t make sense. There’s just as many #1 RD in the league as there are #1 centers. Which is valued more depends on each team’s situation. Hawks have 8-9 NHL d-men but very few blue chip forwards let alone #1 centers. You trade from a position of excess strength to fill the voids of weakness.
Hawks are built through several drafts. Just like Theo did with the Cubs when he selected all dominant bats with his high picks for several years (Bryant, Schwarber, etc), Hawks shored up the blueline and went heavy with high floor speedy forwards. Theo filled the pitching void in free agency just as Kyle will next summer with the UFA forwards. Sharks did the opposite and will look to fill all their blueline deficiencies with free agency as well.It is time to let our imaginations run wild! Bedard-McTavish-Kaprisov on the first line. Get er done KFC!
Burakovsky/Bedard/Kaprisov – FIFO
Necas/Nazar/Moore – 2nd line?
According to Friedman yesterday, Verbeek is not even listening to the calls coming in for McTavish.
If he ever does listen to calls, it’s gonna take a lot more than a basketful of leftover “stuff” that any fan of
the team making the offer would be willing to get rid of.It’s gonna require giving up something that Hawks fans (or fans of any other interested team) do not want to lose.
Good, they should keep him but sign him already and get him in camp. They have some nice younger pieces like Carlsson, McTavish, Gauthier, Sennecke, and McQueen (if he gets healthy). Solberg the d-man they took in the 1st round this year will be solid in a few years. Problem right now is they have a big gap between the top 6 geezers mostly in their mid 30’s and the aforementioned young pieces being in early 20’s mostly. Will likely use all that cap space next summer and lots of big name UFA’s going to new teams with the big increase in the cap.
[/quote]I would not offer Artie or Rinzel, and Crevier and a pick won’t do it. It’s going to take a combination of Reichel, Allan, Kaiser, KK, and a high pick, along with Dickinson with 50% retained, and Verbeek could still say no.[/quote]
I think Verbeek may still have nightmares after re-signing former 1st round pick Zegras two years ago after back-to-back solid 60+ pt seasons then regressed exponentially. McTavish is also a 1st round pick and was from the previous regime. CapWages has his expected AAV to be around $6.7 million. Verbeek had re-signed Zegras in 2023-24 season for $5.7 million.
They just traded Zegras for a 4th liner and two draft picks (2nd and 4th). Ducks look solid with their forwards but their defense is sus. Two vets (one being dumbass Gudas) and 5 rookies and we all know how Q feels about young inexperienced d-men. Murph only played for Q for 1+ season but could see if he’s interested in reuniting as part of a deal. Sure Verbeek would re-sign him as well with all that cap space and Q’s fascination for vet d-men. Murph’s done in Chicago by the TDL regardless so keep Grizz as the vet d-man in this scenario. Hell, give hem Murph and Crevier.
