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The Jays are fun to watch now a days for sure and they seem to be having fun and gelling (funny how winning will do that) in a way I haven’t seen since probably 2015 or so. I hope they can ride this hot streak and not cool off too much and get some guys (like Varsho and Santy) back and keep this up.
I have friends who I have never even thought were fans let alone gone to a game with sending me messages like “we need to get to a Jays game!”.
So good to see.
Reading some pretty interesting opinions and takes on here today which is a nice change from the non-stop whining about the Leafs and Marner’s divorce from one person.
IMO saying the state tax (the lack thereof) isn’t a big advantage might be partially right it may not be HUGE but I don’t see how you can deny it being an advantage. If you look back at say the past few years one of the teams from these states has won or been in the finals so (again IMO) that extra cap space has allowed them to perhaps bring in more impactful players in the off season and TDL. And yes, some of them have been masters at using LTIR to assist in this regard and now it seems the Panthers have developed the ‘take less to keep the band together’ culture which is a huge advantage for them. I have said it before but they are more and more like the Bruins were when we all just shook our heads at guys going or staying there for less (except Florida has 2 cups now).
Lots of online discussion everywhere about the cap and players wanting to play in Florida now because they are good. I also see a lot of Panthers fans immediate response to anyone who dares mention the tax break or LTIR games be “Florida is just better run than other teams, nobody was coming here when we sucked”.
Yes they have a GM who has made some great moves, who also has benefitted from the tax break (and culture now because the GM can’t be the hero for guys like Bennett and Marchand taking less to stay – the players did that) and yes no stars wanted to play there when they sucked. Minus being insanely overpaid at the time as Monkey pointed out they did with BOB.
Question – have the Florida Panthers spent to the cap ceiling every year since the cap was introduced? I mean it’s easy to say you sucked because no star players wanted to play there but if you weren’t spending to the max maybe it was that? I thought I would be able to easily find the answer to which teams spent to the cap ceiling vs floor year by year but my google-fu failed me today.
Oh and last thing – someone (sorry don’t recall who) was saying Bettman must go due to one of the many things we all hate about how this league works. One important thing to remember is he is essentially just the face and voice of the board of governors and has very little individual power with the types of things we hate (i.e. taxes differing team to team due to location).
Big changes like addressing that type of issue go to the BOG and they vote and then send the weasel out to be the face and voice of the BOG decision. Don’t get me wrong Bettman is a weasel and I hate his stupid smirking face but he doesn’t really make a lot of the decisions we hate.
If you want to blame anyone blame the BOG and the most powerful person on that board – Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins who is the chairman of the board & owner of the Bruins.
I’m having major issues on my mobile device regardless of which browser I use.
It simply won’t let me log in at all but no issues doing so on my laptop.
This is fairly recent (last 2 weeks or so), before it would log in but log me out if I clicked a link at all to any forum, thread etc. but if I refreshed the page when logged out it would then show me as logged in.
Now I just can’t even log in.
Weird.
lumping Marner with JT contract to make it look better is amazing. The entire discount is from JT, so that makes marner look better. thats so on brand fur dummies
So true.
just over $4m for a player that didn’t play on the top line with a top center or Marner and was still just under a ppg (0.9866) for the reg season and 0.53ppg in the playoffs is a pretty good deal. You weren’t going to get any player like that for that cost on the open market.Only an idiot would hate it
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100% agree.
Was off on vacation for a week and didn’t crack open the laptop once just read all the goings on etc. on my phone.
I’m not sure what’s worse UG’s constant whining like the little bitch he is about things that can’t change or that are just plain flat out made up bullshit or trying to use this site on a mobile phone.
I used to be able to log in on my phone but can’t even do that anymore. lol
The Habs deal with Dobson is a steal. The Habs are on the move up the standings. When you get the best player in the trade, you usually win. The Habs have a good young core in place and with Dobson in the fold, their defense is as good as the Leafs. Leafs window is only open for a couple of more years, with Ottawa, Montreal and Detroit making their move in the Atlantic.
This quote button is like an early Christmas in July!
True the Habs definatley got the best player in this deal right now and it’s not even close. Determining if this is a steal of a deal for them, a fair deal or a bad deal (unlikely IMO) will take years to really figure out since you don’t know what you have in a draft pick for years.
Windows open and close, I’m not convinced the quick ‘rebuild’ vs a complete one isn’t going to be something more and more teams figure out how to do but really it comes down to if players will sign deals that allow teams to do so.
Habs gave up 2 x 1st round picks this year (16 and 17 overall) + an NHL player (Emil Heineman) just to get Dobson so it will be interesting to see over the years who wins this trade. Cush 29
To me Montreal is already a winner, and the Isles “could” be as well. Montreal already have an impressive cupboard of prospects. To trade the potential of the 16th and 17th pic for an established, and barely entering his prime 1st pairing D. is just what the Docotor ordered for Montreal.
Should the Isles use those pics to move up in the draft and they acquire the player they want, they could be winners as well if said prospect ends up being solid.
The potential for a win/win is pretty high.
I know you want to view this trade as a W for the Habs but let’s not forget Dobson was a -16 last year and before you say “he was on a terrible Islanders team” he was +12 the year before on that same terrible team. I have no idea why as I don’t watch the Islanders but you have to wonder why to some degree. Maybe last year was a blip, Habs fans will be hoping so but the pressure will ramp up for this kid now coming to Montreal riding a newly signed 9.5M contract per year.
As a neutral observer IMO neither team is a winner (or loser) in this yet. That won’t be clear until Dobson starts to play with the Habs and the Islanders get their new winger onboard and playing and make their draft picks (and to your point they pan out or don’t) we just really don’t know yet.
I don’t disagree from a strategy perspective this is a deal that makes sense for Montreal but it’s a risk (as is any trade).
I wounder if the Habs parted ways with one of there 1st round picks
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Worth it IMO1st off FYI everyone if you click “quote” on the person you are replying to it seems to now quote them and open up a reply which is awesome!
2. Not sure if it’s worth it (yet). The 2 x 1st round picks + a player that people are perhaps underestimating is a big price for an RFA IMO.
The player the Habs traded was Emil Heineman – 23 year old Sweedish winger who is 6’2 and 200 lbs and scored 10 goals last year. He could grow into a nice player for the Islanders.
Like I said this will an interesting one to see how each team faired in this trade over the years.
If the Leafs had traded 2 x top 20 1st round pics & that player for Dobson with the extension you just know many Leaf fans and for sure non-leaf fans would be screaming it was an overpayment! I actually think this one is a bit of a wash right now and both teams feel like they won.
