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With all the talk of if the Leafs are ‘worse’ without Marner is lacking a clear definition of what the person asking the ? views as ‘worse’.
I would be more than fine if the Leafs are “worse” if that definition of worse means the Leafs don’t win the division, end up with say 10 less points in the regular season, hell maybe more so long as they make the playoffs and go 3 or more rounds routinely.
I don’t care about regular season points at all, nor winning a division anymore.
If being “worse” as scoring and getting points = having a more balanced team that is actually built for playoff success sign me up for them being worse.
For the most part, I think Tre has done quite well considering what was left after Dubas’ departure. He’s completely retooled the back end, and the tendies are looking nice! Now he’s got a little bit of breathing room to play with the forwards with Shanny gone and likely having more leash.
The Carlo trade was a beauty, I can see how the Laughton trade has an odor to it, but he’s still got another year to turn it around.
Can we please stop talking about trading Rielly?!?! Mark my words, he will play out 100% of his contract in a Leaf uniform. He’s a terrible player, makes WAY too much money for what he brings, and has full trade protection. “He needs a change of scenery, someone will take a chance on him.” Bullshit! Nobody is touching that guy unless the Leafs retain 50% and throw in a sweetener or take a crap contract back.
Please, God, Tre, prove me wrong. – Whipper
Agreed on Tre re-tooling the back end nicely and the situation between the pipes being good to great currently (despite the HB blog from Ek noting Toronto as a team who is interested in Demko if Van retains. Why would the Leafs have any interest in that? The only way would be a bigger deal where goalies are included IMO).
BIG TIME AGREE on Rielly. I’m almost as tired of reading about how Rielly would agree to be moved just because it’s closer to where he is from as I am of reading how terrible JT is and that he shouldn’t be brought back regardless. Pretending like JT isn’t a legit decent option at 2C on many team or can’t be shifted to the wing is insane. The guy wants to stay, can produce, is a monster still in the faceoff dot and will take a haircut – why the fuck wouldn’t you bring him back?
JT and Rielly aren’t why this team can’t get it done.
Look harder at the players who will be paid top dollars next year and were this year if you want to know why – AM, WN and MM specifically.
Blaming the 2nd pairing D man who is for sure overpaid or the 2nd line C who was also overpaid this year as the why vs the guys making 13.25, 11 and 10.9 each (the last one who will want what 13, 14M to stay?) and are supposed to be in their prime and to major firepower up front who collectively shit the bed in games 4,5 and 7 (and even then needed the goalie to pitch a shut out in game 6 and only were responsible for 1 of the 2 goals) is insanely stupid.
For two months of O’Reilly and Acciari they gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gaudette and Abramov; for eleven games of Foligno they gave up a 1st and 2 4ths.
I’m not saying that makes the Laughton look any better right now – a bad trade is a bad trade, even if there are worse ones – but I am saying that Laughton still has time here to make that trade worthwhile. – MonkeyPuck
Hard not to agree with you on giving Laughton more time and also hard not to cringe looking back at what was given up for the pure rentals in O’Reilly and Acciari and Foligno.
At least Tre got term on his trades where we moved his 1st round pick.
I’m not saying he’s worth that much.
But I think a team will go overboard and offer close to 10M for Sam Bennett.
With the cap going up, some GMs will go completely insane with spending this summer. – Scabby
10M for Bennett is a no for me. Still have Dave Bolland / Wendel Clarkson PTSD.
Both those “hometown boys” were supposed to be what the Leafs lacked, make them tougher, knew how to win etc.
Change the DNA feels like a GM who wants to say make a major change with respect to the players on the roster but knows he can’t say that.
The Leafs / Tre are saying all the right things about Marner because they have to make an offer but Tre did say something lie Mitch has a say in all this and it’s not just the Brad show.
To me that’s setting the table so the narrative when Marner walks is not just “Leafs let him walk” and can be more “we couldn’t come to an agreement”.
They want Mitch to take some blame if/when he leaves – rightfully so IMO.
Getting rid of Reilly the 2nd pairing Dman or the former captain who is a 2nd line C on many teams in the league and a 2nd line winger or 3rd line c on any team who will take a big haircut to come back isn’t changing the DNA.
Did you also read that he wants to go the Habs.
Are the Leafs on his 15 team no trade list? -dmntedI read the article if that’s what your asking and yes it was mentioned that Frank Servalli said in a perfect world he’d like to go home and join the Habs. I also factored in it’s Frank Servalli who says alot of shit and hopes some of it sticks and becomes true. lol
I think Servalli is a bit of an idiot with very little real inside info to be honest.
No clue who is on his 15 team list – Leafs for sure could be on there but the sudden move or willingness to move (again if true) makes me think after being so successful in Vegas he sees that Nashville may not be cup competitive for awhile and he wants to jump to a team he feels is closer to being a cup contender.
Guess we will see – you watch Florida will get him….sigh.
Read a yahoo sports article today saying Jonathan Marchessault is willing to waive his no trade to be moved. He’s got 4 more years at 5.5M per and is 34 and will be 35 come December (he’s 3 months younger than JT).
Is he a possibly 1st/2nd line RW replacement for Marner (L2 if Willy moves to L1)?
Wonder what it would cost to get him out of Nashville?
This may also help set the bar for a JT re-up but cheaper on a home town discout.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/former-golden-knights-forward-reportedly-204137482.html
Really? Because that’s factually inaccurate.
UGNo its not. I know you dont like facts but marner had 1 assist in the final 4 games against the panthers and 2 assist in the final 3 games against Ottawa.
For $11m he disappears when games count.
In 2023 he had 1 assist in the final 3 games against boston
In 2022 he had 1 assist and 1 goal in the final 3 games against Florida…he showed up for one game
In 2021 he had 2 assist in the final 3 games….technically final 4 games against tampa
In 2020 he had 1 assist in the final 3 games….technically final 4 games against Montreal
Horrible stats for an $11m player….even worse for if he wants $13mThese are facts. So what was previous said was FACTUALLY correct.
Once again…you are not. – FakeBang on but we all know Uggie no likey the facts.
And as Whipper said trying to paint the picture that Marner was anything other than pedestrian (at best) in the final 4 games vs Florida is an absolute lie, when you layer in he was paid 10.9 M it’s a travesty. And (because we all know the deflection, goal post moving and whataboutisms are coming) the rest of the core also shit the bed in games 4-7.
That being said to post endlessly in multiple threads ripping on JT saying he was why they lost, the absolute worst because he didn’t score more all the while JT makes a whopping 100K more than Marner AND plays on L2 without the benefit of an AM and Knies with less minutes but cry over and over that they can’t afford to let Marner go is so funny it’s almost sad.
One 4 foot pass that required zero playmaking ability really where AM goes and rips one home – that same pass could have been made by anyone, and I mean anyone on the roster. Anyone puffing up their chest and trying to say the “Primary assist on the GWG” was some huge accomplishment is kidding themselves.
Marner’s GWG was a seeing eye shot off a screen he floated from the half wall, it was a ‘throw it on net and hope for good things” which worked – his teammates put up a great screen for him and it’s something Marner (and the other skilled players) needed to do more of – shoot the fucking puck through traffic and look for greasy playoff goals.
How anyone can claim ANY of the core was good enough in games 4-7 is wild.
