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How do I know if I am really who I say I am? – Senstrolltwo
You have to look DEEP inside yourself……..smart ass.
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Since your not actually BIG23QUESTIONS why don’t you tell us who you really are and why you decided to use that user name here? -Cush
23BigQuestions is the imposter. Already msgd you that.- Big23Questions
You messaged me on the other board but did not say that (although it’s entirely possible 23BigQuestions is an imposter) at all.
Feel free to message me on the other board to clarify, you can reply to my PM there and I’ll edit the posts here to clear it up.
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I gets youre mad at it but you will be back there and Marner will be a Leaf again. just watch – FAKEBIG23QUESTIONSSince your not actually BIG23QUESTIONS why don’t you tell us who you really are and why you decided to use that user name here?
People afraid or opposed to moderation are the ones who need to be moderated the most.
Also FYI I got a PM from BIG23Questions on the other board – he said whomever is posting here using his username from HB is an imposter as he tried to register here using it and someone else already had done so.
That’s kinda’ a POS move if true.
I think we know what we see with our eyes and how we feel about it. Here’s the thing I’d have to question – Berube is a take-no-shit coach. He will call out a floater, especially if he needs those buttons pushed. Why didn’t he? He actually doubled down on how much he thought they cared and tried.
I think it’s less about their drive and desire and more about needing an instructor to show them the way. Think about who led these guys? Marleau and Thornton were the shepherds to success. Two guys who won absolutely nothing in the NHL; they did win gold medals in the World Championships or the Olympics, but were largely contributors, not leaders (Thornton did lead Canada to the World Championship gold in the lockout year and led Davos to the Spengler cup in the same year) – and when playing against real NHL peers in the toughest of competition, neither were truly prominent.
Even Tavares, on the Island, had a couple of years of broken down Doug Weight as his mentor, but Weight was largely injured and they didn’t make the playoffs in those years either.
You need someone to show you how and lead the way. Have they really had that? Because if we shouldn’t question their desire and effort, then that has to be it, doesn’t it? – Mokeypuck
You nailed it (IMO) on what is one of the biggest gaps with the Leafs with respect to the ‘vets’ that have been brought in to show the young guys what it takes, how to win. I loved Marleau and Jumbo and love JT but these are 3 guys who never managed to have great TEAM success in the NHL playoffs so should we be surprised the ‘young core of kids’ has now grown into the no longer kids core who can’t?
Making JT captain may have been a mistake but I’m sure it was part of the sales pitch so they had no real reason to not do it if they wanted JT (which nearly everyone did even those slagging him now would have been whining non-stop had the leafs not got him about what a mistake it was to not do so).
Making Matthews captain – I’m not sold on at this point BUT what other options did they have really? Who was a bigger profile player who I would assume many of the team look up to? They probably should have just run with no C for a bit and done the 4 x “A”‘s and given one to Tanev the minute he signed.
I’d be fine with a true blockbuster trade to bring that person into the fold with the Leafs and eventually make them the official captain (while unofficially they are the captain). I’d actually kinda’ like to see it regardless of who is involved (of course I’d judge the trade endlessly for years) but in this day and age you don’t see those often if ever.
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Florida is head and shoulders above just about every team in the league. The Leafs need major upgrades to compete on that level, but there really isn’t much out there in this year’s UFA class that is going to move the needle enough. Marner is gone, but paying him $14M wasn’t going to be the answer either. Next year is likely going to be a step backwards, but I’m curious to see what Tre cooks up.But they aren’t.
Didnt win the division and had the leafs not choked again, they’d be playing the canes. – FakeI disagree with the 2nd statement but maybe it needs context.
Florida has proven (yet again) they ARE heads and shoulders better than Tampa, Toronto, and are doing the same right now to the Canes when it comes to PLAYOFF HOCKEY.
Leafs winning the division was nice, it didn’t change much come round 2 though but it was nice.
The Leafs “choking again’ was sure some of them being extra leafy but also Florida showing everyone the difference between good and great teams when it comes to playoffs.
There has been a team in the Leafs division who is just better built and / or performs better come playoffs than the Leafs for a long, long time, like as long as the Leafs have been back in the playoffs really. Boston, then Tampa, Habs in the bubble, now Florida. The Leafs can’t continue to be the team who keeps saying and/or believing “if only” that one thing had gone right, that one goal had gone in etc. they would be cup champs and they are 99% of the way to a cup final and win it’s just bad luck and officiating that is holding them back.
If they want to become a top 4 team in this league they absolutely must change HOW the roster is constructed / the cap is spread around IMO.
As much as I struggle with it on either end of the logical scale in that, largely for their versatility, I would rather have Marner than Nylander – and they are compared here because of the salary issues – but the fact is that Marner checked out before that series was over and game 7’s response from the hometown put a lid on it. Adjustments are so hard to make mid-series with players, but you can’t help but wonder if Domi swapping with Marner would’ve helped in any capacity. I think no matter who was up there Matthews not finishing on his chances severely limited the top line.
Let’s face it the 2LW was an achillies heel for this team. Holmberg was -6 at 5v5 in that series. That’s double the next closest (Tavares, Laughton, Lorentz and Carlo were all -3) and it’s been one because they don’t have the money to put it there. They need a 2C and then to move JT to the wing. They also will need a top-6 RW; I do think that because he’s a shooter, they could keep Nylander and Matthews apart and find a different RW.
Rielly may suck defensively, but he was only -1 and was on for more goals for than any other player on the team. I want him gone more than I want to keep him, but he’s not absent when the playoffs arrive. He’s just not physical. He’s never changing, but god I wish he could just put his body in front of the other team’s players rather than only his stick. – Monkey Puck
IF you had a choice between either Marner or Nylander with no salary or contract info on the table and were just picking the player you thought was the ‘best’ player I can understand the thought process behind Marner over Nylander for sure – nobody sane can deny Marner is a better overall contributor to a team since he plays so well defensively. It’s about what your team has already and what your team needs I guess but I do see your point and could agree with it if the ‘other factors’ aren’t considered like salary expectations, contract, mental toughness, ability to deliver in high pressure situations etc.
It’s all but written in the stars, Marner will leave and much like Kadri win a cup somewhere else and good for him but you can’t equate that to ‘if the Leafs kept him it would mean he could have done it here’ IMO.
Same as Kadri was not the player here he has been since leaving, nor Hyman etc. Some players need to go to a new team to grow and thrive, especially those who play for their ‘hometown team’ from the minute they get into the league until they leave or sometimes just where they are drafted to and start to learn how to be a pro vs a new team (i.e. Sam Bennett who never got more than 18 goals in Calgary & was a minus player every year and is now a guaranteed 20 or 25 goal scorer and a + player year over year in Florida). Coaches, systems, pressure from location, age, maturity etc. all play such big factors into a players performance.
If (when) Marner goes I want to see Willy at least start on L1 with Matthews, IMO he deserves it and if he’s better suited to line 2 because they can find an equal or better RW for L1 then that’s fine.
Agreed 2LW has been a revolving door of failure for the most part, they need to solidify that spot once and for all and if you don’t get a hard nosed L2 Centre it needs to be a 2LW with bite, snarl or whatever you want to call it who can score and grind. A tough thing to find for sure – essentially you want another Knies.
Reilly I agree with you fully on. I’d love to move on from him but I think the Leafs are stuck with him but I’m also not sure they can change him into what we all want him to be sadly.
LMFAO, MLSE came up with the Fan Access Program, (FAP). You can’t beat it.
You can’t make this shit up. – Whipper
It’s funny and linked to the app and lets you enter draws for stuff and get discounts etc. I signed up early enough and actually got a nice free Leafs T-shirt (that won’t see the light of day until after the Cup is awarded now and perhaps not even until the fall). lol
Now that Shanny is gone, next up Marner?
This isn’t about who anyone wants to go / stay between 88 or 16, it’s about what can happen, what is realistic and ‘doable’.
Shanny was likely the one who who would have been all in on re-signing Marner and I think others in the organization aren’t willing to, and Berube is kinda’in that group.
I don’t think Berube will say it’s about a specific high end but soft player (as we know the Leafs have a few) but he will say we need more of things they don’t have and the only way to get those things is to change the people / cap distribution.
If they were going to move on from Nylander wouldn’t they have done so before they signed him to an 8 year deal? I guess they could try to move Willy but why would he agree to waive his full no trade deal? That makes zero sense – he knows if he stays Marner is likely gone and he will get bumped up to L1 to play with Matthews and get more ice time and more points.
We can (should) be mad at the players for their performances or lack thereof but the reality is there is blame for the current situation on a few folks but the bulk of it is the absolute stubborn and arrogant moron they just fired in Shanny.
Shanny who brought in an experienced GM and coach and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Dubas and Keefe. Seriously an inexperienced coach or GM is ok if the other one is experienced but both being green to the NHL was a mistake.
The fact they didn’t give Marner the 8 or 8.5 x 8 his camp apparently wanted in 2019 and decided to wait out the season which cost them 3 to 3.5M per year, 2 less years AND resulted in them giving Marner a NTC for the last 2 fucking years of his deal (which in itself was insane when usually it’s the last year).
Then Shanny shit cans Dubas, brings in Tre and ties his hands by telling him he can’t move Marner.
Imagine the haul the Leafs would have got by trading Marner before the NTC kicked in?
Now all they can likely do is re-sign him and continue to have a horrifically unbalanced roster that won’t become a top 4 team or let him walk for nothing.
Fuck you Shanny, you fucked this team and it’s fan base over with your arrogance and belief you knew better than everyone else.
They aren’t letting Marner walk.
He’s already left the relationship.- Atomic Wedgie
I never mentioned Marner specifically, I don’t want to upset any specific poster here……. 😉
That being said I agree with you in his own mind he’s already at the club, grinding on a new team and his Leaf wedding ring is sitting at home on the dresser.
