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MTL has the worst team D in the conference. The Flyers should be able to generate more offense, which has been in short supply except the Zegras line. We’ve also seen them shut down pretty well by teams struggling on D, so no guarantees. Some line juggling coming with Grundstrom moving up to Top 9 and Michkov flipped to Cates and Brink. On the plus side, Risto is back. This is a huge upgrade despite there likely being some rust that has to be played off. If the PP doesn’t pick up, look for him to be added to one of the units. He does have two 20+ PP assist seasons from his BUF days. If the Flyers get two points tonight, that’s 7 in this very tough 6 game stretch they’re wrapping up tonight. Not bad. The schedule over the last 50 games gets easier. Hopefully, that shows up in their results.
The Flyers have gotten five points in the first five games of a tough 6-game stretch against elevated opposition. COL, Vegas and CAR are elite teams in the league. They clearly aren’t there but played every game pretty tough, lost once in regulation and beat the sagging Sharks in the take care of business game. They really miss Foerster. Really exposes a lack of depth up front. They’re fine when they’re healthy, but they aren’t healthy. At least they aren’t NJ, who have gone 6-10 since Hughes went out and he’s still close to a month away. The Flyers have absorbed D injuries a good bit better. Without TF, only the Zegras line was able to generated consistent chances AND, more importantly, results. Say what you want about Zegras but he’s been remarkably consistent and has terrific hands. He’s a great bad pass or loose puck receiver and just keeps going. He’s goals 2 goals, 3 assists and a +3 in 3 games vs. CAR.
– the comprehensive thing again. Was I not clear talking about his career? But hey use 4 years if it makes you feel good.
– facts show flyers and canucks are 2 losing peas in a pod
– comprehension rears its head again. Pretty clear what I asked about MM
– who care what Hughes approved. He didn’t have trade protection. Are you insinuating he didn’t want to come to the tocchet lead flyers who they said will attract players?
Hahahaha! You’re hilarious. Yes, let’s include the Tampa years from more than a decade and a half ago when they were between cups and floundering. What’s his record the last 4 seasons? Hahahaha!
Rutherford said they asked Hughes if he was OK with going to MIN. He was. Derp.
“When Minnesota came along I started talking to them, and they made their offer and talked through it, it was clearly the best one,” Rutherford said. “And so then there was a process of letting the other teams have another chance, seeing if Quinn had interest in going to Minnesota at this point in time, and got to that point and he thought at this time Minnesota would be a good fit for this year. Where it goes from there, that’s up to everybody else. It’s out of our hands.”
https://www.nhl.com/news/vancouver-canucks-move-quickly-to-make-most-out-of-quinn-hughes-trade
you calling anyone an idiot is pure entertainment. you are nothing but a homer suck flyers ass fan. not a hockey fan as you don’t know much. you eat their shit and like it.
– tocchet, like I said, is a losing coach. his record proves that.
– since you have comprehension issues I will say it again. There hasn’t been much diff with the forest or york out of the lineup. as you said again simple.
– yes you talked shit. is the jett still a better prospect in your eyes over buium?
– comprehension again. I said the 2 orginization were shit organizations. that’s a fact. you fluffing your feathers saying the flyers are in a playoff spot and vancouver isn’t doesn’t change that one iota dipshit.
– I dont kow what packages were offered nor did I imply I did. What I simply stated was what they accepted doesn’t mean that was the best offer. that comprehension thing again. Was MM a better piece than rossi or buium? no idea what perrault has to do with the conversation, though logic would tell me if vancouver wanted him the rangers would have no issue sending him packing.
at the end of the day your just a dumb fuck flyers fan who really believes this team is on the path to cup contention. Brick b brick. go flyers.
.609, read it and weep. That’s Tocchet’s record the last 4 seasons for “2 shit organizations.” Which is it? How did Tocchet get that record with not one but 2 “shit organizations” if he’s such a terrible coach? This is how I know how completely ignorant you are: Consistent self-contradiction.
I was busting on the Buium lovers about his atrocious early season minus numbers. I also said he’s a fine prospect with some fine offensive skills . . but he’s still a defensive liability. Today? Buium is the better, he’s in the NHL but still a flawed player. The trade is going to help him. Good D-minded coach in Foote, a team that won’t cut his ice time, like MIN was at times, no matter how many goals against he’s on for. He’s in the NHL and Luchanko isn’t. Get back to me in 1-2 years. Was MM a better piece in what? A trade the Flyers reportedly didn’t do anything other than, maybe, kick the tires on? Again, Hughes OK’ed the trade but hasn’t committed to extending.
Fair assessment especially if the team finally continues to get average to above average goaltending. For me, ideally I would create a third line with Couts and Cates playing together. Of course, the current situation at center does not allow that to happen considering Tocchet’s reluctance to make Zegras a full time center. I would like to see some time in the future Zegras centering and having Foerster as one of his wings. The team gets the dynamic play making ability of Zegras at center with the two way play of Foerster. I just do not believe this current HC has an appetite for playing an offensive minded center. Hard to argue Zegras cannot play center because of faceoffs when Cates is around 43%. Cates plays center because of his defensive awareness at center. Sure seems Tocchet values defensive awareness as a top priority to playing center. I am just not sure a team can truly be elite when a team’s top 3 centers has such a large gap between defensive responsibility to offensive skill. Dvorak has pretty much been stapled next to Zegras the entire season. I find it hard to believe Dvorak would be able to maintain his current offensive production if away from Zegras. Basically, I do not believe a team can be a true contender without at least 1 center being a minimum 60 point player. The current 4 centers do not have that ability even with potentially elite wingers. I am not going to write Luchanko cannot be that player, but it is very much an unknown.
This year appears to win as many games as possible with the current roster, which is fine to a point. I was hoping for more experimentation with the roster to fit players into different roles, which if successful gets them that much closer to being a true contender. Already mentioned Zegras at center. When healthy, moving Foerster up the lineup away from Cates. Move Michkov back to RW and let him work thru his slump on the side he feels more comfortable on. On the good note, allowing Andrae to stay in the top 4. Hopefully, that continues when Risto returns. Riding Vladar more who has been a career backup.
I am certainly not against trading for high ceiling low floor players. That strategy helped to build the FLA dynasty. Whatever name that can be floated will come with some skepticism whether that player will pan out. Of course, that is the reason they are available and for significantly less compensation for a player of Quinn Hughes skill level.
I like the idea of a dedicated checking line but it seems to have fallen out of favor around the league. Faceoffs are Zegras’ Achilles heel. Yeah, Cates isn’t much better but you want Zegras with the puck. Look how he did last night. Zegras will be a “center” eventually. He’s playing “wing” because they have the Dvorak option and obviously Zegras is the reason CD is having a career year scoring. FLA didn’t really have offensive minded centers with Lundell or Bennett although SB explodes in the playoffs and Barkov is all world at two way play. He’s won 3 Selkes while being close to a career PPG guy. Of course, no Barkov, and some other guys, might mean no playoffs. Can definitely see Foerster and Zegras at some point. Aside from that, not sure where the scoring from the middle is going to come from. Agree about Luchanko. Not sure how well this team handles a lot of experimenting. They didn’t in the first smaller stretch of games with Foerster out when Tocchet did a fair amount of line juggling. On MM, Tocchet seems to prefer guys to not play the off wing. Definitely makes D-zone play along the boards. Same for defensemen. He’ll make exceptions for guys like Foerster or Sanheim. Michkov, not so much. MM does need a more skilled center offensively than Couturier.
lets break it down dip shit.
1. he gets credit for those deals 100%. still doesn’t mean he isnt a putz. lets see where all 3 are by years end. Cant wait for that dvorak ext. Then add tocchet lol. flyers fans are the best. all giddy over a guy with an under .500 coaching record. like he is going to lead them anywhere
Tocchet has a .609 win percentage over the last four seasons. Not complicated.
2. as I said dont see much of a difference and the results and on ice playback that up. please elaborate otherwsie.
They took care of business against weak sisters SJ and BUF but lost once in reg and twice in OT against COL, Vegas and CAR at home. Again, simple.
3. of course they dont have a dman like buium. a guy you have talked shit on all year. now he is hughes lite.
I talked shit about him? Said he was a fine prospect but needs a ton of work defensively. VAN is tanking, so they won’t care any time soon.
4. worst team with hughes. what is your point as would love to hear it.
5. vancouver is not rebuilding. they are doing their version of a flyers rebuild. which will fail, like the flyers “rebuild”. 2 shit organizations with a lot in common.
Check the standings. They’re the worst team in the league and the Flyers are in a playoff spot. The two teams are nothing alike. This is so simple, a small child would understand it.
6. yes it does hamper the return if that is what your dead set on acquiring. how can you say otherwise. common send and business 101. its like not drafting the BPA
7. yes they got what they wanted. doesnt mean there wasn’t better packages out there.
8. yes they could have offered better. Seeing what vancouver received. Do you think MM was a better piece over rossi or buium?
Name one better package that was out there. Do you think the Rags offered Gabe Perrault straight up for Hughes? I’m impressed you can count to eight. What’s it like being the stupidest idiot in any room you enter?
why would they look to trade tippet. damn I cant think of one reason. he is a core player and valuable piece going forward towards winning a cup. what was I thinking.
I dont see much of a diff without york or the forest at this time at all. They do have pieces to make a deal for a top end player; if they become available. you just have to want to part with said pieces. its gonna hurt. I just dont think the putz GM has the nerve to make such a deal.
Vancouver wanting a center only would have hampered their return. any non idiot would see that. dumb way to go about business; though it is vancouver and they are poorly run. I would have offered MM to start then go from there. now buium is hughes lite. love it. guess your mind has changed on him big time. Are you saying the flyers have no one on D or in the system to compare to Buium?
The putz GM’s three big off-season player acquisitions are all having career years so far. Then add Tocchet. Hahaha!
Don’t see a difference? Thanks for telling us all you don’t know what you’re looking at. No, the Flyers clearly don’t have a young Dman with Buium’s one way upside. His defense? VAN was the worst team in the league with Hughes. They’re rebuilding now. Their window closed fast, as some of them do. MM for JH? Gone where from there? As usual, you have nothing. Vancouver wanting a center did not hamper their return. They got what they wanted. Of course, you keep babbling about how bad the Flyers are yet are now claiming they had the pieces to best MIN’s offer. Peak snowy day comedy.
then your fn blind. we clearly musty watch diff games.
one thing will hold that up, danny boy loves his roster. he is torn on whether to trade owen fucking tippet. shot cates is probably untouchable. let that sink in. again its rare those types become available
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They’re not looking to trade Tippett. Why would they? They don’t have the depth to put together a package for a very top guy at center or D. You see the difference in the team without just Foerster or York.
would love to know what he offered for hughes; if anything. IMO unless Vancouver was dead on a center, flyers could have beat that package.
VAN wanted a center in the package. That should have been clear to any non-idiot. Also, they clearly wanted a Hughes-lite Dman to attempt to replace Hughes’ minutes. I literally laid this out on Dec. 9. Don’t see anything to indicate Briere got beyond the tire kick. What was your best Hughes offer? Keep in mind, it’s not a lock Hughes extends. Rutherford said he approved the trade, that’s it.
There is an abundance of forwards currently on the roster who would be ideally slotted on a third line if they were a cup contender. Here’s my list- Cates, Dvorak, Couts, Brink, Grebenkin, and Tippett. Would not even mind players like Couts and Grebenkin sliding down to 4th line and really be able to roll 4 good lines. I would assume if this season is about “being in the mix for playoffs”, next season should be in the playoffs, no excuses. Seems logical.
The issue with a big package going the other way in a trade is I disagree about any great abundance for the Flyers anywhere, at least at the moment, and certainly at center and D. I think the roster looks pretty good and the Flyers, to me, look like a solid level just below elite team . . . when they’re healthy. That’s a pretty dodgy proposition. Having said all that, I think the Flyers will hold on and make the playoffs this year, just that they’re a year or two away from being able to put together an offer some team that needs to deal an elite center or Dman can’t refuse.
It does make me wonder if the Flyers have the assets to really compete to trade for the few times an elite talent under 30 becomes available. The far more likely situation seem to be a Zegras situations become available and hope Briere can hit. Young, underachievers relative to their draft status seems to be the menu. Right now, Flyers will probably be shopping in the Owen Power and Brad Lambert profile aisles. If this is the case, Martone and Michkov need to turn out to be elite wingers. Going to be a real kick in the groin if Briere extends a 30 year old Dvorak coming off a career year to start “we’re ready to compete in Summer ’26”. We’ll see what happens, but with the cap significantly increasing over the next few years, the very few times a Hughes type player becomes available for trade, there will be a significant increase amount of suitors to compete against then when the cap was relatively flat.
They clearly don’t NOW. MIN was in a unique position and they took advantage. They upgraded their D slot a ton with Hughes over Buium, Ohgren has a ways to go, they opened a hole at center but there was apparently some friction with Rossi, plus the pick and that package checked every box for VAN. I wouldn’t wring my hands over it. They seem to like Byram from BUF but GM Adams job looks tenuous. Lambert isn’t an answer. He’s regressed badly now into his 3rd pro year, he’s not short but he’s slight, D is an issue. Don’t need to see any moves any time soon. If they fall out of the race, which looks increasingly unlikely, they can still dump. If not, they can add but impossible to tell right now what they might need. Injury dependent.
Not really shocked the did the deal now, but I can’t help but wonder how many low-ball offers they received as it’s no big secret Hughes had no intention to re-sign there.
While Hughes is no doubt the best player in the trade, I like that Vancouver appears to have strengthened weaknesses on their roster (long term) and, believe it or not, actually got bigger on their blue line.
VAN was the worst team in the league with Hughes but they got very good young players in return, have pending UFAs they can still deal for futures and can continue the tank for the first overall pick. They did fine under the circumstances.
I’m shocked VAN did the deal so fast, but they got a haul, really everything I figured they would have wanted. Young center, Dman, prospect AND pick. MIN threw the kitchen sink at this deal and got it done.
nah called facts. just look at tocchets coaching record.
flyers being so bad for so long they get excited at the wind blowing, I guess.
how those 4 players making out since that outlier year?
.621 hockey propped up b shootout wins. brick by brick
Bad takes are not facts. Hahahaha. Look at VAN’s record without Tocchet, it’s .403! Look at the .621 win pct with him here. That record is “propped up” by the rules of the game during the regular season. Same rules for everybody, only two teams in the entire east have better records. Those are actual facts.
called an outlier.
Tocchet hasn’t limited Dvorak or Zegras, wasn’t limiting Foerster and hasn’t limited a team that is playing .621 hockey. It’s called blogger bullshit.
Tocchet has only won one playoff series as a bench boss across nine seasons (excluding this one): with the Vancouver Canucks in 2024. That team, mind you, had a 103-point center, an 89-point center, a Norris Trophy-winning defenseman, and a Vezina Trophy finalist between the pipes. There’s an argument to be made that his system limits ceilings.
I understand a lot of people want to write about hockey but if Tocchet’s systems limit ceilings, how did all that happen in Vancouver?
