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fans starting to wake a little.
https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7439
It’s even more obvious in the year over year numbers. Lowest attendance in 30 years, except for the lockout year. I think they bought the New Error in Orange until Torts lit a match, threw it in the fuel tank and walked away last year. Without all the Torts drama the focus has shifted back to the on ice product that doesn’t have a Bedard type franchise center to promote/build around and the best young player they have, is hardly playing. But they did get bigger to prepare for that deep run.
Considering how the Flyers are one of the few teams that like to build from the bottom up it is absurd how unproductive they are. That’s multiple flyers coaches/gms who think ND deserves ice time.
Rebuild over without drafting or acquiring a single franchise cornerstone. Flyers roster building at it’s finest.
But this has been a trend for a little while. Since the start of November, the Orange and Black have a 46.31% expected goal share at 5-on-5. That’s the seventh-worst mark in the league, and their 40.00% goal share further outlines the direness of the situation.
The Flyers have done well to survive, sitting at 3–3–2 this month, but they’ve only won a single game in regulation or overtime. When shootouts are out of the equation, this team hasn’t been great recently—the kind of stretch that indicates a long losing streak could be on the horizon.
I still find it hilarious that the Flyers preferred Jett ride the pine in the NHL than playing top minutes in the OHL. Also, Andrae is “earning” his minutes. He more than earned his spot in training camp, especially compared to Jett, yet Jett is the golden boy who could do no wrong. Will their decision making ever improve?
I just looked up Anaheim’s lineup to see where their guys were…interesting.
Chris Kreider — Leo Carlsson — Troy Terry
Cutter Gauthier — Mason McTavish — Beckett Sennecke
Nikita Nesterenko — Ryan Poehling — Alex Killorn
Ryan Strome — Mikael Granlund — Frank Vatrano
Jackson LaCombe — Drew Helleson
Olen Zellweger — Jacob Trouba
Pavel Mintyukov — Ian Moore
Lukas Dostal
There’s a lot of “bold” there!!
*Helleson was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Josh Manson to Colorado.
*Gauthier was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Jamie Drysdale to the Flyers.
*Poehling was acquired by trading Ducks draft pick/player Trevor Zegras to the Flyers.How many are top 5 picks? Top 3? Do the Flyers have a young franchise center on a rookie contract drafted at #2 overall? How many of any of those do the Fleyrs have?
These teams are not the same. Brick by brick my ass. They are a bad team who had little cap space or assets. They rebranded a bad team with several veteran 8 year contracts that hired a fossil abusive coach off his couch so that he could yell at the players and media for 3 years to distract fans. Then proceeded to give out more 8 year contracts. There’s bad with a plan and then there’s the Flyers.
If they could’ve afforded a Kevin Hayes or another Ristolainen in FA, they would’ve. Good news, this offseason they can afford to hand out more 8 year contracts to vets. Brick by brick.
The Blues are another team getting bad defensive results. Teams like that seem to find their checking game and do a nice job stifling the Flyers overly cooperative offensive game. The Flyers need two points here.
Ersson has been just as bad this year as he was last year so limiting shots against will be their only hope. Vlader is holding this team together with duct tape. If Vlader reverts to his career average the Flyers will be in position to draft a potential franchise player. As it is they are only 2 points from being last in the division.
That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.
There’s a balance between short and long term thinking. I suppose the Flyers should be deliberately tanking for a better draft pick next year since they won’t win the cup this year.
They should’ve been selling off anything that didn’t fit a realistic and intentional rebuilding plan. They basically rebranded a poorly constructed capped out team with no assets as rebuilding when in reality they were trying as hard as they could to make the playoffs every year. It’s like saying the guy with $10 in his bank account decided to be responsible and not to buy the fancy new car rather than admitting he didn’t have the money for the down payment but if he did he’d buy the car.
It doesn’t matter what i think they should do. I thought, if they were going to keep Jett up because they were “concerned” with his development, that they would’ve tried to actually develop him at the NHL level rather than bury him on the bench before sending him down as soon as the media found a new shiny object. I think Andrae deserves to be playing full time in the NHL over some other players on the roster who are worse but larger. If you don’t want the kid despite his skill, trade him for whatever you can get. Pretending he has a future with this FO and coaching staff is just insulting. ND, what more can i say, the coaching staff loves this guy.
As long as the Flyers are in a playoff position nobody cares about the long term which i think sums up the front office and most fans alike. The Stanley Cup is just mentioned as a marketing tool rather than something to build towards.
The Flyers foundation is built on quicksand. They are just outside a playoff position but also only 2 points out of last place.
But yea the Flyers are worried about Risto and winning an extra game in December 2025 vs having someone like a young franchise center Connor Bedard who is setting records for the Blackhawks or a projected franchise dman like Buium playing 20 min/night for the Wild.
There’s players you build the team around for the next 10 years and there’s the Flyers way where you go down with the ship never thinking past the current season. The Flyers are just so much smarter than the NHL that everyone should be copying them instead of pretty much ignoring them. They think they are still a destination team rather than a knockoff of the Buffalo Sabres.
As far as Risto and Bonk are concerned it’s all academic. Are we sure they are ever going to play again or what Bonk’s injury even is?
It sure would be nice to have a Connor Bedard player on the Flyers. Hell, even a Cutter Gauthier might be the best forward on the Flyers if he had actually been treated as well as Jett has been and on a rookie contract and not on an 8 year expensive contract the next GM will have to deal with moving.
Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.
It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.
Risto gets paid to fill a roster spot. If he’s more effective than whoever he replaces, likely Juulsen, how is that bad for the team when that happens? None of where he was drafted, what scoring numbers he put up in Buffalo, what the Flyers gave up to get him, how often he’s injured or what his contract is matters.
Ghost hasn’t played here in a half a decade and has moved four times since. Not sure how focusing on everything other than how this year’s team is doing is even marginally interesting or relevant.
That’s very simplistic. If all you care about is winning a game in November that nobody will remember, sure. If your goals are more long term like say building a Stanley Cup roster, it absolutely matters. The short term thinking that has doomed the Flyers front office for years.
Just imagine when Risto and Bonk come back.
Risto’s return will be a good thing but he’s missed so much time. It was supposed to be 6 months and the surgery was in March. We’re two months beyond that and no firm return date yet. He was the Flyers second best Dman last year. Assume he’s up to date on all the systems/watch tape stuff and his cardio is OK since it’s his arm that’s the issue.
Not expecting anything from Bonk this year, but what the hell did he do to himself? Upper body without surgery needed. It’s been two months plus. Everybody was commenting on the bulk gain. I hope he didn’t injure himself pushing things in the gym. Unforced error if that’s what happened.
Risto has missed 50% of his games since the start of 2023. He’s lost an entire season’s worth of games and not gotten above 20 pts since he joined the Flyers 5 years ago. He reinvented himself as a 3rd pair dman, when healthy, who now excels at not being asked to do a lot.
It’s great that Risto has reinvented himself as a defensive defenseman, when available, while still being paid to be the franchise/PP QB defenseman, for him. Him and his 9 PP points in 4 years. Ghost has had 90 PP points in that time frame and we wonder why the Flyers PP has sucked.
There has been no news on Risto or Bonk in a month. The last update on both was at least 5 to 6 weeks suggesting it could go on even longer. Do we have proof of life on either player? Very reminiscent of Ellis.
he now has 6 points in 5 games: that’s nothing special. dont ever see him being a big point producer at the nhl level. they better hope him or nesbitt becomes a legit 2nd line center. Not a flyers 2nd line center.
That’s 6 more points than he scored in 2 years with the Flyers. I mean how is your only stat in the NHL 4 SOG after 2 years? How dumb do you have to be to keep promoting this guy as having deserved to make the team when he keeps looking like dog poop on the ice? The current coach didn’t even try to develop him despite the articles talking about the Flyers being worried about his development, just let DB get his PR moment in and then back to the minors.
Hope in one hand and etc, etc. see which fills up first.
Just glad the AHL is an option next year so the Flyers don’t feel the need to protect their helpless 1st round pick from being to good to play in juniors but not good enough to actually see the ice as a professional.
Good for Jett. It’s nice to see him get some positive press for his play on the ice. He’s where he belongs. Next year he’ll play in the AHL and in a year or 2 he’ll most likely challenge for a 3rd line spot.
At least next year when he “makes the team” they can send him to the AHL without all the hand wringing and woe is me bull. If Cutter had gotten the Jett treatment from DB he’d be the Flyers leading scorer.
Reason 1 for Frustration: Michkov Isn’t Struggling
There’s a popular idea right now that Michkov is struggling. This is used to justify his anemic 14:49 of average ice time, a figure that has been steadily declining. But those “struggles” are exaggerated, if not totally fabricated.
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Keep in mind, the Flyers have a 39.29% goal share (outscored 17–11) at 5-on-5 during this span when Michkov isn’t on the ice. The team is actually kind of depending on him, despite the limited usage.Yet the 20-year-old has gotten more scrutiny than anyone else on the roster.
