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The thing about Torts is that he seemed to thrive on conflict for conflict’s sake. Things can get pretty toxic pretty fast in an environment like that. Especially when other players don’t feel like their team mate is being treated fairly. I guess its a way to unite the room in a common fight, in this case, against the coach. But why would you want to hate your coach? Your leader? Why would you as a coach want your team to hate you or fear you? Respect can be earned through mutual respect. And IMO and experience its the better kind of respect.
I like him, but he is two small and gets crushed in the corners causing him to lose focus. I think they have a couple of young D men in Leigh Valley that can fill the roster for the Flyers. They will also have the 2025 draft and perhaps a trade or two, so I could see him being moved/traded.
And to think, we didnt draft Buium in part because we already have Andrae.
BUndy letting Torts have it over the San Filippo incident(s)
they eat their own once they are fired….
whats he saying? trying to recall that incident and drawing a blank.
The whole Kevin Hayes/Cutter Gauthier incident where SanFilippo said it was a Flyers source saying Hayes was influential in Gauthier’s decision. After that Torts refused to answer questions from San Filippo and that “Silly Podcast”.
I would think the ducks would accommodate and not send him to a team he didnt want to go to.
I just posted that to say that I guess the Flyers could be one of those teams. BUt if he is guaranteed a starting role etc maybe he wouldn’t put Philly on the list. That being said, I wouldn’t want to trade for him.
He has a NTC I think. Why would he want to go to the flyers?
10 team no trade list. So take from that what you will.
I guess I’m not surprised. Do you think Shaw had hopes of being the head coach? Or maybe he didn’t want to be seen as the guy who was foisted on the new staff?
It is interesting the narrative around Torts and Tocchet. Many descriptions have been used to describe the difference between Torts and Tocchet, “bully”, “abusive”, “embarrassing players”, “poor communication”, “constant negativity” etc. Whereas Tocchet is more private with players, clear communication, good relationships with everybody, positive.
I would imagine that kind of environment would also have an effect on the coaches and other staff either directly or indirectly. Tocc and Torts are both tough coaches, it seems like Torts thrived on conflict for conflicts sake. Sometimes it can be good, but I think with today’s athletes it just comes off as superfluous. These guys make millions of dollars, it’s not like the old days when they had to work summer jobs to make ends meet, and a coach could threaten his livelihood in a real way.
Well, it was the worst kept secret in hockey. He’s here. We deal with it. I remember a joke that went something like this.
Who was the only coach who could keep Steven Stamkos under 25 goals? Rick Tocchet.So I went back and did some reading, it looks like Stamkos had very positive things to say about Tocchet in terms of how he developed him as a player and especially rebuilt his confidence after Barry Melrose practically destroyed it.
It will be pretty hilarious if his staff ends up being Recchi and Richardson, just from the standpoint of watching the fan base lose their minds both positively and negatively depending on the “side” you come down on.
One thing for sure is that it seems Tocchet may be old school like Torts, but by all accounts he is the opposite it terms of mentality. Whereas Torts was a negative force, it seems Tocchet is more of a positive force.
So, each old school, but from opposite ends of the spectrum.
He is here for at least 3 seasons so we should just get used to it lol.
He will probably do 1 year contract with the Sens for 5 million per or maybe a 2 year.
Yeah I can’t see Giroux holding them hostage in some sort of contract dispute. It will be an easy negotiation for him to stay.
I, for one, would LOVE to see Giroux come back and finish his career where he spent most of it. Remember when Gagne came back? He wasn’t the same player anymore but he still helped for the short time he was here. Tocchet did, too.
I can’t envision any circumstance where he would want to come back.
Seems the Brady Martin rush has died down, I am starting to see most mocks take Desnoyers to the Flyers. I think I will be ok with that even if Frondell is still on the board. If Hagens is still there I think he needs to be the pick. You need skill and talent and I think Hagens has it in spades.
My order of preference depending on who is there at 6.
Hagens
Desnoyers
Frondell
Martin
O’Brienwhoever coaches this team is in a losing preposition. hire lappy and finish low, despite that not being the plan. flyers lack the talent for whoever the coach to matter much. though would prefer a modern in tune type coach. If Ferschweiler gets hired he clearly wanted the bag of cash. which cant blame anyone.
lappy or shaw my be one of the few coaches who would want the job. So the flyers may not have much of a choice.
This may be true. This team is still far enough away that there is a good chance that whoever gets the job now will just be setting up the next coach in line to reap the benefits. The team may be selling that they are ready to take the next step, and they may even believe that. The problem is most people outside the organization probably don’t see it that way.
Made the transition over. Hello everyone. I’d be okay with Fersch or Woodcroft. Both would bring something different, a little younger too. I would not be okay if Shaw was forced on either, nothing against him.
People are starting to slowly filter over. We have a bad actor here creating accounts using our names from the “other site” and that is getting sorted out slowly.
I am intrigued by Ferschweiler. I like that he was an assistant in the NHL before becoming a successful college coach.
