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Guy, he bounced on his own accord. He didn’t want to play here. Boo hoo. Move on. Christ.
Incorrect. Moron fans pushed him as the scapegoat, management walked him out the door and the media, who owns the team, ran narrative cover for it. He did not leave because he preferred to leave. If he wanted to leave earlier, he would have left a long, long time before it got to July 1st. Even on the way out, he facilitated a trade. He could have given them the finger, signed a 4 year deal and been a UFA at 32 all over again. He didn’t do that. The narrative of him “not wanting to play here” is the equivalent of Leafs fans bullshitting themselves into saying “you can’t fire me because I quit” as a massive cope to losing an elite two-way player for basically a dick on a stick.
You’re not happy unless you’re losing.
This statement makes zero sense because this is the biggest loss the Leafs have had since maybe Sittler. You still waiting for Rich Costello to pan out? Did Peter Ihnacak bring the Cup home? That’s a giant L. And you’re the one that’s happy about it, not me. Seems like you’re one of the many that loves it when the Leafs lose which is exactly what they’ll continue to do as they pave paradise and put up a parking lot.
You miss the point about cap hit. If Leafs had paid $14M for Marner, there was no place for improvement elsewhere.
Your claim: Leafs saved cap space by letting go of a two-way 100 point, team leader in career playoff scoring in his prime so they could spend it on better players and/or better areas.
Reality: Vinni Lettieri. Bo Groulx. Travis Boyd. Dakota Mermis. Michael Pezzetta. Steven Lorentz. Nicolas Roy. Matias Maccelli.
They trying to win the Stanley Cup or the Calder Cup?
Unfortunately you and many others miss the point about the cap space. Cap space is irrelevant if there isn’t anybody as good or better to spend it on. Columbus and San Jose has cap space. They can’t do shit with it and they still suck. The Leafs struck out on basically every single major UFA. They signed nobody significant. They got two bullshit wingers in trades. They got a winger who sucks at FOs, has size but doesn’t use it. They got a Finnish Kerfoot who scored 8 goals last year. That’s it. That was their BIG UFA UPGRADE CAP SPACE SPENDING EXTRAVAGANZA.
There was no Bennett. There was no Marchand. There was no Ekblad. There was no Boeser (he sucked balls anyway). There wasn’t a single player added who can bring the Leafs back to Game 7 vs. the Panthers, much less beat them. Nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip.
9 years of this kind of participation is enough to make a move.
So Rielly gets a free pass? Tavares free pass? Nylander free pass? Matthews free pass? Funny because Marner has more career playoff points than all of them, including Tavares despite being 7 years younger than him. Wasn’t Tavares supposed to be the guy who got the Leafs over the hump? But instead he sucked in the playoffs, destroyed the cap and they still brought him back? We need 4 more years of that because he’ll play old, shitty defense and disappear against Florida for half the price? Is that how the Cup is won now? Have worse players who lose you games at lower cap hits?
Marner was the only one of the young core that didn’t have a contract….hence, he was expendable.
Incorrect again. Expendable means garbage players who you can afford to lose because they can be replaced or improved upon. As I already proved to you earlier, they did not replace or improve jack shit. All the Leafs quantifiably worst players are all still on the team. Kampf is still here. So is Jarnkrok. So is a lot of other garbage. There has been no actual improvement. This is a prime example of retarded asset management. Nylander gets the Leafs the biggest return. Tavares is the biggest addition by subtraction. Rielly is the next biggest. Marner had more success vs. the Panthers than all of them, but he’s the one that you deem expendable? That’s just retarded.
They could have let old ass Tavares and his defensive liabilities take a hike after he sucked balls vs. Florida after 7 years of overpayment and underdelivering. Zero accountability on that front. Rielly could have been traded to create more cap space too. Nylander could have been traded although the Leafs could still have managed to keep both him and Marner had they removed other, far less useful, less valuable players. I think they kept Johnny Pajamas just to try and win the PR battle and no surprise, a lot of the sheep fans are buying it.
Letting Marner leave wasn’t about who was expendable. It was about management being so incompetent they took the path of least resistance rather than doing what actually needed to be done to improve the team. Knies got paid but he won’t be as good as he could be without Marner. Same goes for Matthews. Same goes for the PP. Same goes for the PK. Same goes for the entire team. The Leafs got worse but they’re winning the PR battle so can keep selling hopeium and copeium instead of an actual chance to win a Cup.
Their only 0.01% chance of a prayer is McDavid and if he knows what’s good for him, he’ll go to Vegas too before coming to this shit show franchise.
Kadri + Andersson for Rielly + Carlo + some sweetner
Then get rid of Reaves/Kampf
No chance that happens.
Kadri and Andersson are huge pieces of value to their team. They would expect a way bigger return.
Also, no chance Rielly is waiving to go to Calgary. Vancouver or Seattle, maybe. Not Calgary.
The leafs already have those two named Kampf and Jarnkrok, problem is they don’t score.
The leafs need 40P guys for the bottom end and 4-5 PK forwards, not 6-7.
Yes, whoever has the most average / below average players wins the Cup.
That pussy assed Marner doesn’t need to be around.
Matthews without Marner since 2020-21
25GP, 20G, 18A, 1.58PPG, +7
It was Matthews who was the star buddy, it’s Marner whose points will dive down, not the other way around. He still got 100P this year because he had Knies on his line and JT and Nylander to feed on the PP. fuck sakes you’re dense.
The 29 goal and 58 point player is why the 100 point player got 75 assists.
Ros / Roy / Rob. That’s the Cup winning key.
Increase the dosage.
I won’t lie I’m liking Treliving’s focus atm. Seems a bit more on lines 3 and 4 and not at finding some top six guy to replace Marner which was the point all along.
They got their $7+ million dollar guy to replace Marner already, his name is Knies. The rest will be some nice intelligent moves around forward depth leading up til October is my guess unless there is some sort of no brainer move that comes along.
Imagine a 3rd line with Roslovic, Roy, and Robertson. I wouldn’t mind that line at all.
You’re on fentanyl if you think Knies can replace Marner. I’ll be happy to remind you of that when Knies doesn’t come anywhere close to 100 points and 75 assists.
I like Roslovic fine – but I have to admit that I liked him better in 2021-22 with Columbus – but the opportunity he had there (playing with Laine/Nyquist/Voracek) while Jenner was injured seemed to inspire him. Last year in Carolina he was given a shot with Jarvis and Aho but while his stats were okay, his actual play wasn’t very good – at least not defensively. I’m also not a huge fan of the fact that he’s not a PK option. I’d like to get more guys in that bottom-6 who are defensively sound, battle hard and are effective penalty killers.
I do love how the Leafs management, media and fans ran a guy out of town because he “disappeared in the playoffs”, despite having more career playoff points than everybody on the team, but they’re going to bring in a guy with 3 playoff goals in 45 career playoff games and pretend it’s a good move.
So dismal was Roslovic in the playoffs even the Carolina Hurricanes, the ultimate work by committee team, threw him to the curb to replace him with Ehlers at double the price, another player with playoff numbers that scream meh.
Roslovic is more of the same garbage that guarantees the Leafs will not succeed in the playoffs.
Not sure where this rumor came from, I know it was mentioned in the Hockey News, but it would be one of the dumbest trades made in recent memory.
Discuss!!
Dumb for Calgary, yes. He’s their #1 center. If they trade him now for a pylon like Rielly, they’d be throwing in the towel before the season even started. And they missed the playoffs on a tie breaker. Considering how bad the Flames were when Treliving left (and how bad they’ll be once he’s done destroying this team), I doubt they’d throw him a get out of jail free card.
The only way a trade for Rielly works is if he ends up in Vancouver or Seattle and the Leafs get Jamie Oleksiak or Tyler Myers to plug the hole. It’s the only two places close enough to his hometown that would allow him to consider leaving his settled home of Toronto. But management doesn’t have the balls or the brains to make it work or happen.
Regardless of the worry about puck movement, Rielly absolutely sucks defensively. The Leafs could sign an average LHD (Matt Grzelcyk) and still be better off so long as their D-core wasn’t deployed in a stupid manner like leaning heavy on the top pair such as 25/20/15. The Leafs blueline is old, overrated and unbalanced (not enough real RHD). The only way they’ll make it work (with or without Rielly) is by keeping everybody at roughly the same ice time so nobody has to shoulder too much of the load and having 3LHD/3RHD so nobody has to be out of position.
Knies Matthews Macelli
McMann Tavares Nylander
Domi Roy Jarnkrok
Lorentz Loughton Kampf
Pezzetta1st round exit as a Wild Card team.
You’re making me hope Cowan makes the team more and more and does just fine. I grew up with his aunt and still see her routinely.
Cowan has nothing to do with Marner. He’s on an ELC. Both Cowan and the Leafs would still be better off with Marner and without Rielly and the rest of the garbage they’re keeping.
Congratulations on knowing his aunt.
