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Leafs are going to retain 50% salary until 2032 on Nylander lmfao
it gets dumber the more you read
Dumb is believing he’s gonna win a Cup in Toronto by 2032.
A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
Nope, you’re just too retarded to understand the methodology.
Knies can either stay or be traded. He works in both scenarios.
Having their own two 1sts would be better but walking Matthews to UFA status is pure retard behavior that of course you endorse. Keep dreaming that they can re-tool with no prospects, no farm system, no UFAs and Matthews can score 100 goals by himself without Marner to a Cup.
Im not talking about if he approves or not, Babcock is a shit stain of a person. But he also hasnt won anything in the NHL as coach in almost 20 years.
Thinking thats the guy to get them over the hump..is somethingClearly, the idea of him being a shit stain of a person is a woke retard idea you got from bluesky that clearly isn’t true if the players were consulted (they were) and have given the green light.
A quick blog on Mike Babcock and the Oilers:
It’s real. They are considering it. According to several sources, Babcock has spoken directly with owner Daryl Katz.
While Katz would have the ultimate authority, this is a situation where the players would need to be on-board.
According to those same sources, Babcock has met with or spoken to several members of the team’s leadership group. Whatever happened in those meeting(s) was enough to eliminate any potential objection.
It fits with what he’s been whispered about the Oilers since their first-round elimination to Anaheim: that even their core agrees they need a firmer hand on the rudder.
Players hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year. The one day they didn’t was the day they won their Stanley Cup rings. Some coaches serve as a filter to weed out the bitch ass players who aren’t there to compete for a Cup. Maybe Edmonton has a few too many of those the way the Leafs did.
Yup, he hasn’t won a Cup in a very long time but neither has Torts and look where he is now. Coaches don’t just forget how the game works. And not every coach can win on every team. It takes the right mix, the right situation and the right time. Edmonton might feel like they have an accountability problem and they’re bringing in a guy who is going to set them straight.
At the end of the day, your statement about McDavid is retarded. Edmonton knows he’s on a short contract, he’s on a discount and he wants to win a Cup more than anything. If he doesn’t approve of Babcock, he wouldn’t be hired. End of woke story.
no you changed your argument to the team not making it back to the WS. which is what I responded to. thats your lame game.
Even Mariano Rivera blew a game 7 , 2-1 lead to lose the world series.No, you’re either an illiterate retard or a disingenuous sack of shit.
My question was: Do the Jays have an elite closer that they can rely on to win Game 7 of the World Series with a 1 run lead in the 9th inning vs the 9th batter yet?
Your answer is Varland (maybe) because he has 11 saves through June. Hoffman looked like that in June last year too. But he crumbled when it mattered most. So you ain’t got shit to stand on because to be able to rely on a closer is to know he’s a lock. I like Varland, I think he’s doing great so far but that doesn’t mean he’s proven he can go into that situation and get that job done. Closing games in the regular season and closing Game 7 of the World Series are two very different things. Ideally, you’d still want Varland as the set-up guy and a proven elite closer. But the Jays probably won’t be back in that position because they did fuck all to properly retain and add to what they already had going for them.
What purpose does bringing up Mariano Rivera into the discussion serve? To prove my point that if you have an elite closer you’d win 4 out of 5 World Series clinching opportunities? He closed four World Series clinching games but you’ll talk about the one he blew so it makes Hoffman not look so bad? Well, Hoffman is 0-1. Let me know when he wins four. Keep dying on that hill retard.
twelve 1st round picks eh !!!
Oh boy
Me think someone is over exagerating, over evaluating Leafs players and what other teams are willing to give up those late 1st round picks even with 50% retained on some contracts.
Does quantity outweigh quality?Nope. If the Leafs play their cards right, they could get easily twelve 1st round picks worth of value and as many as nineteen if they maximize their opportunities.
As we saw with what Montreal was willing to pay for Knies at the deadline, the Leafs have a tremendous opportunity to quickly recover assets for individual pieces. It’s very easy to see how the Leafs could do it. The “quantity” would be the opposite of how the Leafs previously built their team. The Leafs had “quality” with 12 million dollar contracts but almost always lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. Meanwhile, a team like Carolina, that builds on “quantity” and great coaching wins a lot of games, a lot of playoff rounds and is in the Cup Final.
For the purpose of this discussion, when I say “1st round pick” it is a means of value. That means it could be a former 1st round pick, a current 1st round pick, a top prospect considered as valuable as a 1st round pick or a young roster player who was a 1st round pick or equal and significant value. For example, Rantanen cost: Logan Stankoven (young roster player equivalent to a 1st round pick in value), conditional 1st in 2026, a conditional 1st in 2028, 3rd in 2026 and 3rd in 2027. That is the same value as three 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks.
Step 1: Commit to a full rebuild. The Leafs don’t own their own 1st round pick for 2027 or 2028. That makes tanking good for Boston and Philadelphia. However, if they use the 2027 regular season as a year to rebuild the value of players, they can start the fire sale half way into the season and finish it off at the deadline for maximum value.
Step 2: Trade Matthews. He’s the biggest chip. If Matthews goes around January, absolutely everybody else jumps ship willingly by the deadline because they know the dance is over.
Step 3: Retain salary on big contracts to increase return. Matthews is incredibly valuable as is but @ 50% retained, that’s extremely valuable to a contender. And if one contender is in on Matthews, multiple others will join the bidding war. The same would happen for Nylander @ 50% retained. Then there are the other pieces over 25 such as OEL, Carlo, Tanev and McCabe. Teams always overpay for depth D at the deadline. The Leafs have four pieces, one of which the Leafs themselves pissed away a 1st and a top prospect to acquire last year.
Step 4: Acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. The Leafs, needing to rebuild, won’t need the cap space until beyond 2030 when all those contracts expire and while all the new prospects are on cheap ELC. Leafs could also continue to take on bad contracts for draft picks as Chayka has done many, many times before to reach the cap floor and increase draft capital. If the Leafs take 3 or 4 bad contracts, that could also add up to more 1st / 2nd round picks as we saw the Leafs pay many times to dump the likes of Marleau and Mrazek. Current examples include Gallagher from Montreal and Hill from Vegas. Both could bring the Leafs an additional two 1st round picks for acquiring bad contracts. By acquiring Hill, the Leafs could also trade Stolarz for something, probably not a 1st but a future piece regardless.
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Matthews 50% retained (6.625 AAV until 2028): Four 1st round picks of value. Matthews, the 50 goal scorer, is already worth four 1st round picks. At 6.625, he’s worth more. With an extension, he’s worth even more. Four 1st round picks is the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE for that type of value. As many as five or even six pieces could be demanded if a bidding war begins.
Nylander 50% retained (5.75 AAV until 2030) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Three 1st round picks. 40 goal, 80 point player for 5.75 is EASILY worth three 1st round picks, maybe more.
Tanev 50% retained (2.25 AAV until 2030) at the TDL: 1st round pick. Players like Tanev go for a 1st every year. Holding 50% of salary reduces cap hit in case of injury and increases return.
OEL at the TDL: 1st round pick + prospect (High value player, low salary)
McCabe at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid more than a 1st for McCabe)
Carlo at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st + Minten)
Tavares at the TDL: 1st round pick (If Laughton = 1st, Tavares would get one easily as a 30 goal, 70 point player and low cap hit). If the team is blown up, Tavares will chase a Cup.Acquire Gallagher + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire Hill + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Acquire another bad contract + 1st round pick for future considerations.
Trade Stolarz for a 2nd round pick.That’s easily twelve (minimum) to fifteen (maximum) 1st round picks for a full tear down fire sale. Trading down at the draft could also get the Leafs an additional 1st round pick.
Knies | (Matthews trade) | Cowan
Stenberg (Trade down) | (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (Matthews trade) | 1st (Tavares trade) | 1st (Nylander trade)
1st (Tanev) | 1st (Gallagher bad contract) | 1st round pick (Trade down)1st (Nylander trade) | 1st (Matthews trade)
1st (McCabe) | 1st (Carlo)
1st (OEL) | DanfordWoll
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1st (Hill bad contract)
2nd (Stolarz)That doesn’t even include the Leafs getting a lottery pick if they tank in 2029 and 2030 as well. If they did that, they’d add two more pieces under 25 in less than four years. It also doesn’t include the Leafs signing UFA veterans to short term contracts to fill out the roster and then trading them at the trade deadlines so they remain competitive but aren’t risking the long term cap situation.
It also doesn’t include trading Knies (who I prefer to keep because he’s under 25), who we saw was worth three / four 1st round picks worth of value. If the Leafs traded him as well, that would bring the total up to nineteen total pieces of 1st round pick value. Quite literally, enough pieces to replace every single spot on the roster with a player under 25 and on an entry level contract.
After that process is done, the Leafs could afford to splash on free agents as they’d be scraping the cap floor and they could decide to also trade some of their young pieces for more established players as they move closer to the playoffs.
Rebuild. Hard.
tanking an doing a total rebuild would be a 5-10 year process, not 2 or 3 thats fucking stupid. esp if you trade Matthews and Nylander. and not having their own picks for 2 draft makes it even more idiotic.
Incorrect. It takes 5-10 years if the Leafs wait for Matthews to walk for nothing and start from literal zero. It’s not fucking stupid, Montreal literally just proved you to be retarded by doing it in a short period of time. Not having their own 1sts does hurt, that would have made the process even better but the value they have in Matthews, Nylander plus the rest of the blueline would yield a tremendous amount of under 25 capital.
Montreal as the example is also stupid. You can also use Buffalo who tanked and missed the playoffs for 15 years, they had picks 8, 2, 2, 8, 8, 1, 7, 8, 1, 9, in 10 consecutive drafts. also pacioretty for suzuki happened 8 fucking years ago
So it proves you wrong therefore it’s stupid? Montreal tanked for 3 years, Wild Card, Conference Finals. That’s just facts that prove you wrong. The Suzuki trade is just one of many examples of a team trading their top player for a younger, future core piece of the puzzle. If Patches could get Suzuki, Matthews and Nylander could easily get, at worst, one core piece each in return but probably more with 50% retained and multiple future pieces coming back the Leafs way. It doesn’t take 8 years for that to happen.
Buffalo is an organization of retards like yourself. They fumbled Eichel, Reinhart and just have no fucking idea how to run an organization. Chayka is also a retard who can’t draft or win a trade but the assets the Leafs have are there on the table. They just have to be used correctly.
Take Chicago also, they won in 2015, stumbled around for 5 years, have not made the playoff 6 years in a row and are still not even close to being a fringe playoff team let alone a contender
Blah blah blah, you’re wrong again. You are comparing apples to tire irons. Chicago did not have the benefit of blowing up their team the way the Leafs currently do. The Blackhawks didn’t get any value for Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford etc. They ran their core into the ground to the point where they had ZERO value in return. That’s what forced them into the long rebuild. The exact same retarded rebuild you would be stuck with if you tried to “re-tool” this team into a position where the Leafs get less value for Matthews, Nylander etc.
completely tearing things down and rebuilding takes many years to build back to a competitive playoff team, and they still may not get back to a contender, it also takes a lot of luck and timing.
Wrong. It only takes that long if the Leafs walk Matthews to UFA status like they did with Marner like retards. It does take luck and timing but the Leafs have never been luckier and the time is right. They have a base of Knies, Cowan, Danford, a couple other prospects playing well for the Marlies and a 1st overall pick. Trading Matthews, Nylander and the rest of the pieces of value, especially with retained salary, easily give the Leafs another 10-12 pieces of value. Add to that acquiring 1st round picks for bad contracts and the Leafs could overhaul the entire roster with players under 25 in 3 years.
Now is not the time for the Leafs to tear it down.
Right now is absolutely the best time to tear it down and start over. Re-tooling is objectively retarded.
The Leafs could be back in contender status in 3-4 years if they sell hard enough and the team would be filled with guys under 25 and on ELC which gives them a lot of flexibility with trades, free agents and contract extensions.
That’s not possible, if you’re giving up top 5 picks 2 years in a row. What makes it any different to sell their top players, namely Woll, Matthews and Nylander? That doesn’t get you 12 picks, at most 5 or 6 and those picks won’t be in the top 10. Sure, you could swap out a couple of your defensemen, like OEL and McCabe and you might get a couple of picks in the later part of the first round. Is that going to get you over the top in 3 or 4 years? Not a chance. You have to keep Knies, so he’s really the only untouchable. Their best bet is swapping players like Cowan for a player like Mason MccTavish. Cowan is going to become a great second line winger, however a McTavish will become a pretty decent second line center. Positional players are important. Building from the Goal outwards. The Leafs have the assets in goal, with or without Woll or Stolarz. The real kicker is finding decent free agents to keep the team afloat for the next 2 years, then they can actually bottom out and grab some top 10 picks. I’m not against moving the 1st overall for the 3rd overall, if it nets a top prospect or another 1st round pick in the top 15. The tearing it down to the foundation and expecting a rebound in 3 to 4 years would be all but impossible. My thoughts are to make your trades, get your draft capital, backfill through free agency and deny the Bruins and Flyers top end transitional players that you’ll spend 20 years competing against. Better to let them pick around 20 and get serviceable players and not star players. You’re beating yourself going forward to allow this to happen. It’s only due to abject stupidity that the Leafs have found themselves in this position. There is a bigger picture here. You can’t be the cause of strengthening your Conference foes, just to tear it down for 4 years and expect a roster of players under 23 to take you to the playoffs. It’s unsustainable.
No, it’s very possible. You might be living under a rock but Montreal drafted 1st, 5th then 5th overall again then last year were a wild card team. This year, Conference Final. Did they play that well? No, absolutely not but they went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in 3 years. That wasn’t a re-tool, it was a full rebuild. Why? Because they offloaded their top talent (Pacioretty for Suzuki as an example) and they went for the rebuild through the draft, despite going to the Cup Final only 5 years ago.
And again, giving up their own draft pick sucks but it means jack shit if they have 12 other 1st round picks that they gather from trading Matthews and Nylander. If the Leafs traded Matthews and Nylander right now for one top 5 pick each plus multiple other 1st round picks and young roster players, the loss of their own 1st round pick is mitigated 5 times over. Boston getting a top 5 pick or Philadelphia getting a top 5 pick means fucking nothing compared to getting four times that for Matthews and Nylander. It’s night and day.
So, again, Boston gets 5th overall because of the Leafs while the Leafs get an entire new roster of 1st round pick players under 25. I’ll take the brand new roster under 25 and laugh all the way to the bank. The alternative, you deny Boston and Philadelphia 5th overall, Matthews walks as a UFA for nothing in return and the Leafs are absolutely fucked in the ass for the next 5-7 years trying to rebuild the hard way.
Again, this team needs to rebuild. Promote John Gruden, give a few of the Marlies a chance next year and tear it down.
Why this doesn’t work. They don’t own their own 1st rounders for the next 2 years. Bottom out and the Flyers and Boston get to draft top end talent in the first round. Guess what, you’ll be lining up against those two teams 7 or 8 times during the regular season. Did you see, the other day, when the Leafs shipped off a 1st to Carolina to take on the Marleau contract? Guess who they got, Seth Jarvis. So why would you want to subject this at a grander scale going forward? What if both years, they give up top 3 picks? Do you not think that this won’t haunt them? It’s a travesty to go down that road. Yes, you can make trades to get more draft picks, sign free agents to quasi replace those top assets that you must trade for a rebuild. The Leafs can’t allow their team to go to the bottom of the NHL for the next two years. Unless you can find a way to trade for your own 1st rounders, a total rebuild can’t occur. Just more years of wandering in the desert. See the Buffalo Sabres and their 15 years out of the playoffs. Rogers will not allow this to happen, so you might as well get used to a rebuild on the fly.
Wrong, it does work. It guarantees maximum value for your highest valued assets. Would it be better if they also had their own picks? Absolutely. But if the Leafs pull in twelve 1st round picks from blowing up the team and adding bad contracts, it mitigates whatever Boston and Philadelphia get from the Leafs 1st round picks. It’s much more important to maximize the return on Matthews than it is to worry about what happens to the 1st round picks that are already long gone.
The reality is if the Leafs go down this retard retool plan, it leads to delaying the inevitable to the point where their highest value assets are lost for low value (like Marner).
The Leafs could be back in contender status in 3-4 years if they sell hard enough and the team would be filled with guys under 25 and on ELC which gives them a lot of flexibility with trades, free agents and contract extensions.
Edmonton looking at Babcock for coach. Sounds great.
another tire fire for fans to look at and away from the Leafs.I cant imagine that would work out well for Edmonton and specifically Mcdavid.
You’d have to be pretty retarded to believe the Oilers would hire a coach McDavid doesn’t approve of at this stage of his career.
the correct answer a normal person would post is.. Wow I was wrong. Varland has been amazing
but you shift goal posts instead…cuz not a normal personA literate person would understand Game 7 in the World Series but you missed that part.
Varland has proven he can close some regular season games for a stretch. Hasn’t proven what was set as the goal.
Nice try though, keep practicing your hooked on phonics, maybe you’ll understand one day.
Id give Varland a shot, he seems ok
Too bad the rest of the team won’t be able to make it back to where it would matter.
At least there will be a little more traffic. I’m sure it picks up, once the Playoffs end and the draft gets closer. Free Agency will happen and by the 15th of July, this site will barely move due to summer and all. At least it’s not going to be a morgue in here, since the Leafs won the draft lottery and there’s hope for a brighter future. Besides, the Marlies are also doing great things. Sure, it’s not NHL hockey, but the young players like Cowan and Danford are shining brightly. Learning to win at every level is important for development. Cowan has won it all in Junior, in London. Danford has been close in his time in the OHL. Two decent players that should be good, NHL caliber players for the next 10 years. Cowan as a second line winger and Danford as a 2nd pairing defenseman. Nothing wrong with that, for 2 late 1st rounders.
Now just imagine if the Leafs had another twelve 1st round picks to work with to add to that shallow pool of prospects.
I have said on a couple of occasions that Marner is playing better on a second line, not being a first line PP guys and away from intense pressure. You know tha because you spend countless hours going back to quote people from weeks ago so you can try and prove you are right. Kind of pathetic how much time you have to write novels worth of idiotic comments and call people kindergarden level names. If you were not so disrespectful of others I would almost show empathy as to how lonely you must be to hate the world so much. (Do not give me the show respect to earn respect BS. Someone who never argues with you asked you to stop using your favourite word and you went off on them for a couple of paragraphs)
And you were wrong as you usually are. Marner is 2nd in ice time. This “2nd line” player bullshit is a exactly that, a bunch of bullshit. Marner plays the hard minutes in all situations. You create excuses to protect the blue and white bubble world of delusion you live in because you’re a retard. If you can’t handle the word retard it’s probably because you’re retarded.
Speaking of stupid things being said:1.Freddie is great Leafs are so dumb for letting him go. Yep so great the last 2 rounds. O goals against in the third period and OT of game 3.
Andersen, once again, proved your dumbass wrong. He entered the Stanley Cup Final with the best stats among goalies. He did exactly what retards like you said he couldn’t do; perform in the playoffs. Is he playing well vs Vegas? Nope. But that’s not the point. He’s still, to this day, better than every other goalie they’ve tried to replace him with. Again, another example of retards like you running a guy out of town for perceived playoff failures slapping you across the face with a cock of truth. You and the Leafs fail again. Proven fact.
2. Extra pressure to play in Toronto is BS. LOL now it’s the fans fault all the guys you like left. You are the most negative person I have ever come across, especially when it comes to the Leafs, but I aam pretty sure no Leaf player has ever left because you your stupidity/negativity. PS people liked Hyman, they just didn’t want to give him the contract he received because it will not end well. (Yes the type of contract you have bitched about in the past)
Negative when it comes to the Leafs management which has only proven itself to be incompetent and proven me to be right yet again. People didn’t want to pay Hyman but they fell over themselves cheering for Tavares. Which one scored 50 and went to the Cup Final? Retards like you were explaining away the final years of Tavares’ contract, rationalizing the idea that he would win so many Cups prior to the end of his deal that it wouldn’t matter. But Hyman’s contract wouldn’t “end well”. Look at that, the average retard Leafs fan (you) was wrong again.
3.Draft Verhoeff #1. Has any hockey expert suggested this. (And no you have proven countless times you are not)
Again, another lie. The idea is to trade down, acquire more draft capital and take somebody like Verhoeff or Reid lower in the top 5. But with you being retarded, I guess expecting you to be able to read is asking a bit much from you.
4. You were banned from one site because you are a terrible person online, and the traffic on this one has dwindled to a handful of people who only post periodically because they are tired of your incessant BS. Do you not realize this or do you just not care at all and will be an asshole no matter the cost to others?
Banned from a site for being too right, too often and upsetting sensitive retarded pussies like you. The traffic doesn’t exist on this site or the old one because it’s a dying format that doesn’t offer any value to most people. The only thing anybody should be tired of is retards like you living in a blue and white delusion which is why woke, dumbass, sensitive bitches stop posting.
It really sucks your such an attention whore that you need to post on blog whose team causes you so much anger and negativity. Guess it is the Leafs’ fans faults.
It really sucks that retard fans like you create such a terrible environment for the actual guys that matter; the great players and yet create a beautifully soft landing for the pieces of shit who deserve to be run out of town; the retarded management teams that destroy this franchise and guarantee it can’t win a Cup for 59 years.
Marner left because he is a bitch. This isn’t junior hockey UG, get over it!!!!!
Marner left because the franchise, the media (which owns the franchise) and retards like you disproportionately blamed him for their problems and promptly ran him out of town. The Leafs run their team like a junior hockey team which is why they absolutely suck on the ice and why Marner is in the Cup Final, leading the playoffs in scoring, playing like a great player.
My apologies to the handful of people on here for the many paragraphs this post will lead to.
If you want to really apologize, apologize for posting such retarded bullshit and stop living in a blue and white delusion of Marner derangement syndrome.
i think matthews should bail. it kills me to say it. greatest sniper in leafs history and we don’t know what to do with him. may as well let him go.
larkin wants out of detroit. kinda feels similar except matthews is a glutton for punishment. we don’t deserve matthews.
free agent class this year sucks. i’m not optimistic.
He should because it benefits him and the Leafs equally. The Leafs can retain 50% of his salary so whatever team he lands on has better odds to do well in the playoffs. He also has the chance to sign an 8 year extension with his new team. And the Leafs get a boatload of draft capital. Matthews can win a Cup but he can’t do it in Toronto with the dog shit they’ve surrounded him with. He’s another Kessel but the Leafs should be able to get a much, much bigger return.
UFAs have never helped the Leafs reach the final goal in fact it usually ruins the Leafs team like Tavares did. The Leafs have no assets to make a trade and Chayka has lost more trades than he’s won so the guy doing the trading isn’t capable of improving this team through trades. The Leafs simply don’t have what it takes to contend nor do they have the tools or the opportunity to change that fact. Their one chance is blow it up and rebuild. In that manner, they can give themselves enough picks to create a foundation on cheap ELC contracts.
Congratulations to the Marlies. Heading off to the Calder Cup. Watched that game and they worked their asses off to get to the finals. I liked Danford’s game tonight. He was solid.
Again, this team needs to rebuild. Promote John Gruden, give a few of the Marlies a chance next year and tear it down.
