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Its a nice story and I can see why teams would want to have Mckenna to market, its an easy sell.
Iv consumed all the draft content I can, and Mckenna seems like a real one, from a good family who values the right things. He also comes off as someone who gives a shit and wants to improve, and like you said has a bit if a chip and something to proveif he does end up on the Leafs my guess is he puts up 50-60 points next season, PP time is a big factor for over/under on that.
The concept of “best player available” should include more than just points. Looking at the entire picture based on more than just scoring, Stenberg is the better overall player because he provides most of the same scoring ability but has a better compete level, players better defense and does more than just score points and float.
The vast majority of these scouting reports disproportionately rely on scoring points. The reality is, we’ve seen the leaders in scoring lose in the playoffs. That includes McDavid and MacKinnon in recent years. That’s not to say they aren’t great players but it shows that even the elite scorers lose. If McKenna isn’t scoring points, he’s usually useless and that’s exactly the problem the Leafs have had with players like Nylander for the past decade. Generally, the elite scorers only win when they blow away their competition with generational scoring that they simply can’t be caught. McKenna isn’t generational which means the rest of his game, which is abysmal, is what will determine if he succeeds or fails when it matters.
Then there’s also Reid who could become the Schaefer, Makar or Hughes of this draft. As a RHD, top pair, offensive D, he could easily be more valuable (despite scoring less points) than McKenna on a winning team. Same with Verhoeff as a top pair, big body, two-way RHD. These other players won’t score the most points but they will have the most ice-time, they will play defense, they will kill penalties, they will QB a PP and so on.
Everybody is so hyper focused on the points McKenna COULD score but they forget how the rest of the game is played and how the rest of the game is what matters in the playoffs. McKenna fits the mold of everything that is wrong with the Leafs current structure of: do well in the regular season, exit in the 1st round.
it just seems very unlikely they Leafs trade down.
Mckenna is going to go #1, and be a nice playmaker for the Leafs which is something they lost when Marner rode his donkey out of townI’m guessing that will be the case. It’s why the price will be high. Vancouver and Calgary want McKenna for more than his hockey ability. Both want an elite talent, Western Canadian, for marketing purposes. Although the other top prospects have very similar worth, they aren’t local in the eyes of the Western Canadian teams. McKenna will be similar to Marner, but in one difference, he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder, if pushed. Marner never had that. He was all skill with no grit to his game. This is where the two players are different. I think Knies gets dealt before McKenna. With Montreal sniffing around, Chicago might want to take a run at him, but it’ll be costly.
Captchas are bullshit!
No, the big difference is that Marner can play elite level defense. McKenna has zero grit to his game. He avoids contact and is physically weak. The only time he showed any kind of “fight” is in a parking lot bar fight.
my best guess I have the Leafs taking Mckenna at 90% and 5% they pick someone else and 5% they trade the #1 pick
The Leafs having a 10% chance at doing the correct thing tracks.
still could happen.
we will not know if choosing McKenna is a mistake. only time will tell.
Damn, Mr. French’s take would be nice about now.It’s a mistake. He’s not a generational player. He’s small. He plays wing. He’s not physical. He can’t play defense.
Absolutely everything about his player profile is the opposite of what the Leafs should want or need. Even in a “win now” mode, he doesn’t keep Matthews here. He doesn’t win you playoff games. And in a “rebuild” mode he gives the Leafs none of the qualities you want from a cornerstone player. He will score points and lose games that matter, that’s what time will tell.
The trade proposal moves Rielly and Nick Robertson to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson.
this potential trade is intriging.
I’d do the trade.
Pettersson and Nylander would be a soft line but very skilled one.
someone like Bunting to get them the puck could work out.Taking one of the most overpaid, overrated players from the worst team in the NHL is a joke, right?
The Sedins are going to keep their Swede boy right where he is. Sundin shouldn’t be that stupid.
Pettersson and Nylander would get obliterated defensively, especially in the playoffs (wouldn’t make it anyway).
I just saw that the Leafs told McKenna is going 1st overall at this upcoming draft
Which would be a mistake. Stenberg is better. Trading down is also better for an extra 1st round pick and taking a top pair RHD like Reid or Verhoeff which the Leafs need much more than another Nylander.
At the same time, the Leafs have been super leaky lately. It could just be a test to see who is leaking information. It could also be to change the way trade negotiations are going. There’s half a dozen scenarios it could be.
You’re missing something. Montreal had all of their first rounders plus 1st rounders they acquired when they did their rebuild.
Let’s go through this point by point to make it really simple for everybody here.
Montreal drafted 1st overall (Slav), 5th overall (Reinbacher) and 5th overall (Demidov) then made the Wild Card and then the Conference Finals. Their best players were not the guys they drafted in the lottery. Those guys will boost them as they develop but they were passengers for the most part. Their best players were Caufield who they drafted 15th (2019), Suzuki (former 13th overall pick) who they got in a trade for Patches and Hutson who they drafted in the 2nd round (2022). Are you following along so far? Okay, good.
So, right now, the Leafs are about to draft 1st overall. If they keep the pick, they have their lottery player. If they trade down, they still have a top 5 pick plus another 1st round pick. They also have Cowan, Knies and Danford in the system under 25. Still following? Good.
If they trade just Matthews and Nylander, they can easily acquire seven 1st round picks worth of value. That means any combination of assets. It could be a top-six player that is under 23 (Will Smith), that means a top prospect ready to jump to the NHL from junior or the NCAA that was a top pick (Misa). That means a lottery pick like 2nd overall from San Jose. That means any combination of those assets. And all of those players can become impact players either right away or within the next 3 years.
Additionally, they could easily acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. They could also easily trade their blueline for 1st round picks (or prospects under 25) at the deadline. All of those assets could be used to draft 18 year olds or they could be trades that bring in players that are already drafted, rookies or young roster players. That means players that can contribute in the NHL right away or within 3 years.
The Habs could control the narrative due to being able to manipulate their positioning in the draft, to fall further down and draft in the top 5. The Leafs don’t have this for the next 2 years. They can’t just bottom out and get a top 5 pick by tanking and playing their AHLer’s.
The sports media owns the Leafs. They can control whatever narrative they want. But it wouldn’t matter anyway because MLSE could dress 20 monkeys throwing shit at each other and the tickets would still all be sold out. The players and the assets the Leafs acquire would NOT automatically drop them to 32nd overall. If they use Matthews and Nylander to acquire young, up and coming roster players or top prospects, those players will be in the NHL immediately. It would be closer to what the Leafs were like when Matthews and Marner were 60-70 point rookie / sophomore players. The Leafs didn’t tank those seasons, they were actually a wild card team.
Those picks are gone.
Yup, they are. That doesn’t mean you have to wait two years while Matthews walks to UFA status to demolish your chances at cashing on his maximum value.
No one’s gifting you a top 5 pick without a substantial piece going the other way.
Who the fuck ever said the Leafs would be given a gift of a top 5 pick? How many times does it need to be said that trading Matthews and Nylander with 50% retained is what you are sending the other way. If Matthews and Nylander got you two top 5 picks in this draft right now plus 5 other 1st round pieces, it’s as if the Leafs are drafting in the lottery three times in one year. Or three times in two years. Whatever combination you want to conjure up, the Leafs are bringing in high value assets for Matthews and Nylander. That’s their draft lottery but all at once, not spread out over 5 years.
Damage control for 2 years in necessary.
The “damage control” is a plan and that plan should be to maximize their draft capital to do a full blown rebuild to add to their under 25 assets. Leafs fans will beLeaf just about anything the media will serve them. They are blue no matter who (like Democrats). It’s the easiest sell job in history if you get the correct returns on your top assets.
Keep those picks later in the draft and deny your conference foes a star player due to fucktard Treliving.
The scenario you keep endorsing walks Matthews to free agency just like Marner. So congratulations, Boston and Philadelphia get shit picks and the Leafs lose their most valuable asset to kick start a major rebuild. And then what comes after that? Then you have to sit there for 3-5 years of bottom feeding and praying you win more lotteries to recover the assets you could have just got by trading Matthews and Nylander at peak value. Boston and Philadelphia could get a top prospect but the Leafs would be swimming with an entire team of 1st round picks in less than 3 years time. Advantage would still be for the Leafs.
The Leafs need to play their cards, this year.
There are no more cards to play. It’s over.
Run Matthews with whoever they draft and Knies.
Pointless. They already shat the bed last year and the division is only getting younger, faster and stronger. The Leafs throwing an overhyped rookie into the 1st line and praying for a miracle is exactly how you ruin a top prospect which is precisely what the Leafs are masters of doing. Time to change that pattern of failure, not repeat it expecting different results.
Try and salvage a playoff spot, or at least be in contention and keep that pick from being the next Tukka Rask, or Dougie Hamilton.
Yeah right, playoffs. Nice fantasy. Again, you can put your wasted energy in trying to spite your rivals but it only hurts the Leafs more. It only delays the inevitable and it only lowers the value of the players. Keeping Matthews long enough into the season to boost his value (January) is the maximum he should be kept for.
It’s stupid to kill yourself for the vultures to pick your dried bones.
What’s stupid is expecting this team to be any different or any better with no realistic UFA options, no trade options and no major changes. It’s over. It’s time to blow it up. They have nothing left to keep the Titanic from sinking; it’s already smashed the iceberg.
Besides, MLS&E will never allow it, due to needing playoff ratings.
False. MLSE needs to create a winner. A 1st round exit means fuck all to them and fuck all to the fans. It’s time to get serious about making sacrifices to be champions. And it starts with blowing up this team and starting over. This team will end up rebuilding, it’s just a question of will they trade their assets now and do it the easy way or will they run their players into UFA status and have to do it the long, slow, retarded way you yourself suggest they have no interest in doing.
I have no real thoughts on Babcock. I know someone who played for him, and they liked it. You however seem confused was Babcock and A-hole for putting Marner in that position or was Marner a snitch?
Babcock is a total asshole but that’s his job and that’s how he squeezes the most out of every player. Michael Jordan was a world class asshole but he won at all costs. Marner was caught in the middle of his mind games as a teenager. It’s called inexperience.
Two – two. Best of 3. Whoever wins game 5, wins the series. It’s going to be difficult to win 2 straight.
Vegas won’t win with Eichel missing that many chances. He’s playing like Matthews.
I was reading this trade proposal:
The Maple Leafs would send Knies, Jacob Quillan, and a 2nd-rounder to Chicago, and get back the No. 4 pick (Reid if available), plus Oliver Moore and Kevin Korchinski.
I don’t know man. It would be hard for me to trade Knies as I see him as a Kreider type player.
Trading Knies could really help fix the Leafs blue line.Trading Matthews and Nylander would really help fix the Leafs blueline with a full rebuild.
Yep Marner cowered like a little bitch when he spoke to Babcock about his team mates
Oh this is rich. The entire woke world says Babcock is the evil oppressor and now you got the bright idea to call, then 19 year old Marner, a cowering bitch for compiling a list of his teammates based on work ethic and feeling bad about it. You’re a special kind of retard.
I hope they Hire Babcock that a nice circus to watch. I doubt he would help the team win any more then the last coach. its the GMs building the team that sucks
he would be the 7th coach for Mcdavid. 7 coaches in 12 seasons. he should help Mcdavid out the doorCoaching is half the problem in Edmonton as they have zero goaltending and every coach out there doesn’t go far without goaltending. That’s the real problem.
If McDavid goes out the door, it will be for more than one reason. He’s been a part of every major decision they make so he’s not faultless in the process. Retard Leafs fans praying he comes to Toronto will be in for a rude awakening when he prefers winning a Cup over dealing with blue and white retards every day. By time he’s a UFA, the Leafs will have nothing to offer him that he actually wants.
Tear down and rebuild in 3 years hahaha
just absolute nonsenseretain 50% on Nylander for 6 years lol
like every 1st round pick will be an NHLer lol
they wont get top 5 picks, they will all be 15-32You’re clearly too stupid to read what “1st round pick” worth of value means, trying to pretend the entire process is just drafting 18 year old, 1st round picks.
Montreal just went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in how many years?
But that’s unpossible! Maybe it’s impossible for a Leafs GM or their fans to figure it out but it’s possible.
Where did Montreal get Hutson? 2nd round. Caufield? 15th overall. Suzuki? 13th overall, acquired for Patches (Matthews and Nylander are WAY more valuable).
Cowan? Late 1st round pick. Same with Danford. Knies? 2nd round pick. Leafs have a 1st overall pick this year they can turn into a top 5 pick and another 1st.
You’re literally just too retarded to understand.
