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Zito putting it all together for the Panthers doesn’t diminish that the team was built around those 2 anchors and it took many years after they were drafted to get where they are. The Flyers haven’t even drafted those players. The clock hasn’t even started on an actual rebuild.
It certainly could happen that the Flyers miss the playoffs again this year, they win the lottery and draft McKenna or finish badly enough to pull a rabbit out of a hat with another 13th or higher pick. We went through all the recent Cup winners, and while they’ve all built their teams a bit differently, they were all built solidly, deep, good sized and a bit nasty.
flyers will easily 99.9% miss the playoffs. flyers have nothing in common with the any recent cup winners.
flyers strategy is completely flawed on how to build a team.
what are they doing differently from the past?
Better utilizing the draft. They’ve had 12 picks in the past three drafts in rounds 1 & 2, including five first round picks. Are they going to hit on every one of those, obviously not, but they’re setting themselves up for better odds by acquiring more picks. They still need a top 3 pick, or two, which they haven’t had, unfortunately. That’s where you start the process. It’s also the most picks they’ve had in rounds 1 & 2 during any three year stretch in their history. I’m hopeful that trend continues.
I am not seeing anything all that different. They accumulated picks because they have been so bad. They will not get a top 3 pick by design; not much has been accomplished by design. That is the problem.
Look at the players they have taken in those rounds. Vanilla as can be with all pretty much having the same skillset. That will not get you anywhere. All depth/complimentary types if they pan out.
<p class=”userway-s15-active” data-userway-s15-styled=”true” style=”font-family: UDF, serif !important; transition: all;”>What was snowdens main role while he was an assistant?
<p class=”userway-s15-active” data-userway-s15-styled=”true” style=”font-family: UDF, serif !important; transition: all;”>What happened to Jason smith?
Smith went back to junior level head coaching. Snowden was Lappy’s bench assistant .
Any bad blood with smith leaving?
Is it any different than you claiming they’ll somehow be harder to play against over and over again? Sounds like a big if to me, but since it fits your narrative, it’s okay, right?
What if Buium isn’t the next Cale Makar but is the next Jamie Drysdale? We can obviously keep tabs on all four of Buium, Perrault, Luchanko and Bonk. We’ll see how that works out but it’s a little early to claim the Flyers are terrible at drafting based on a completely made-up hypothetical future.
what in flahrs track record leads you to believe he is good at drafting? what so much faith?
You’re trying to put the cart before the horse, it’s not a finished product yet. They’re three drafts into a rebuilding process, it’s ridiculous to think they’re going to turn the franchise around in three drafts without having a top five pick in any of those drafts. I completely understand the frustration, I was born in the late 60’s and I’ve been following this team for a long time, quite frankly, it’s been one of the worst run franchises for the past 15 years. They’ve been unable to adapt to a cap era, they’ve always built teams primarily through deals, not drafting. You can’t make good deals if you haven’t drafted well and have some ammunition to get what you want. Even with drafting there’s no guarantees, look at the Leafs, they had some excellent players they drafted but they were way too top heavy and didn’t build a balanced “team”.
I refuse to crap all over what they’re trying to accomplish just because I’m upset with the past, it hasn’t been good, but moving forward, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in a long time.[/quote]
what are they doing differently from the past?
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
Finally, a voice of reason around here. The Flyers are within range of putting a decent, competitive team on the ice for the first time in years. A couple of the choices for opening night fixes, in G and on D, look questionable. Forwards look OK. They have 4 legitimate NHL centers and the Top 4 wingers combined for 95 goals last year. That is enough to go into this season with and hope the D and G band aids don’t fall off.
what range is that? maybe a #8 seed if all goes well.
Personally, I really like where this is headed with the Briere era as GM. He’s only been at it two years, three drafts, plus Torts is now gone, they’ve acquired some nice young players from the draft. This isn’t going to be a quick fix, especially without a few top five picks, but I’m hopeful a few more good drafts they hit on some of these picks and we have some building blocks that start to stack up.
If your goal is to be a bubble team, then yes, that could happen. The foundation of a legit cup contender are the corner stones (esp. on those rookie contracts), which they do not have nor are they doing what is necessary to get them. The players they are getting are not building blocks, they are complementary pieces.
The Flyers FO continuously try to slap a coat of paint on the Flyers without actually fixing the foundation. This is not a slam on the players themselves but until the cornerstones are in place they will all be asked to play above their abilities and that is not a recipe for success.
the flyers do not see it that way; which is hysterical.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA…….Tippett, our 40 goal scorer that never scored 30, needed an empty net to hit 20 this year……he was outproduced by Cutter
miss that jd guy
If and when the Flyers ever get to the current level Florida, Edmonton, and Vegas has attained, I’ll gladly listen to how they built a top-tier defensive corps via free agency. I’m guessing I won’t be hearing of this astounding success for a decade or more, or ever if they keep employing the incompetent because it’s the Flyers way.
And if Zegras and Drysdale show any inkling of improvement, not only will they get a bag of money, they’ll get a maximum term contract as well… it’s how the Flyers operate (just ask Owen Tippett).
Free agency? Some yeah, some draft and some trades. Every way you can acquire a defenseman. That’s how the good teams do it, usually with size and grit. None of FLA’s regular dmen are listed at under 200 lbs. Buium is 185. The Flyers do need to add there but we’ll see what the current corps can do soon enough.
Haha! The old “if that happens, then this will happen” argument. Tippett is the safest bet to have a full and productive season, then Zegras. Drysdale will be a project. It a turnaround doesn’t happen, a project with dwindling ice time.
Your size/weight obsession is getting a little disturbing. While not a FLA panther, Stanley Cup winner and #1 dman Cale Makar is 187 lbs. Size is a plus but skill and determination are the main things and FLA is so much more than just a “big” team as i posted above.
him and the flyers always forget about the talent part you need to win.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.
How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.
Having 5 million extra in cap space is > having Dvorak IMO. Can do many things with that money in season. I do not think the flyers are awful, they are awful. Makes perfect sense if you think forward.
If and when the Flyers ever get to the current level Florida, Edmonton, and Vegas has attained, I’ll gladly listen to how they built a top-tier defensive corps via free agency. I’m guessing I won’t be hearing of this astounding success for a decade or more, or ever if they keep employing the incompetent because it’s the Flyers way.
And if Zegras and Drysdale show any inkling of improvement, not only will they get a bag of money, they’ll get a maximum term contract as well… it’s how the Flyers operate (just ask Owen Tippett).
Free agency? Some yeah, some draft and some trades. Every way you can acquire a defenseman. That’s how the good teams do it, usually with size and grit. None of FLA’s regular dmen are listed at under 200 lbs. Buium is 185. The Flyers do need to add there but we’ll see what the current corps can do soon enough.
Haha! The old “if that happens, then this will happen” argument. Tippett is the safest bet to have a full and productive season, then Zegras. Drysdale will be a project. It a turnaround doesn’t happen, a project with dwindling ice time.
Curious as to what makes you think zegras is the 2nd safest bet to have a full and productive season. What will be a productive season for him? However, it ends up working out it was a no brainer deal to make. They gave up nothing of consequence.
Buim is also what 19/20, he can add weight if need be. That weight can also be an old measure.
Flyers do not fall into that category in bold.
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
Much like their draft picks, the Flyers only seem to make comfortable organizational hires. It’s almost as if they don’t want to look outside of their little bubble as they’re afraid someone not entrenched in the “Flyers Way” might actually tell them what a brain-dead shit show this organization has become.
I’m like you… watched for decades, and never imagined they would fall to the depths they find themselves in now. And I’ll add to that I have zero confidence the people in place right now are the ones who can get things turned around.
not sure how anyone can.
