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Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.
How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.
Having 5 million extra in cap space is > having Dvorak IMO. Can do many things with that money in season. I do not think the flyers are awful, they are awful. Makes perfect sense if you think forward.
If and when the Flyers ever get to the current level Florida, Edmonton, and Vegas has attained, I’ll gladly listen to how they built a top-tier defensive corps via free agency. I’m guessing I won’t be hearing of this astounding success for a decade or more, or ever if they keep employing the incompetent because it’s the Flyers way.
And if Zegras and Drysdale show any inkling of improvement, not only will they get a bag of money, they’ll get a maximum term contract as well… it’s how the Flyers operate (just ask Owen Tippett).
Free agency? Some yeah, some draft and some trades. Every way you can acquire a defenseman. That’s how the good teams do it, usually with size and grit. None of FLA’s regular dmen are listed at under 200 lbs. Buium is 185. The Flyers do need to add there but we’ll see what the current corps can do soon enough.
Haha! The old “if that happens, then this will happen” argument. Tippett is the safest bet to have a full and productive season, then Zegras. Drysdale will be a project. It a turnaround doesn’t happen, a project with dwindling ice time.
Curious as to what makes you think zegras is the 2nd safest bet to have a full and productive season. What will be a productive season for him? However, it ends up working out it was a no brainer deal to make. They gave up nothing of consequence.
Buim is also what 19/20, he can add weight if need be. That weight can also be an old measure.
Flyers do not fall into that category in bold.
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
Much like their draft picks, the Flyers only seem to make comfortable organizational hires. It’s almost as if they don’t want to look outside of their little bubble as they’re afraid someone not entrenched in the “Flyers Way” might actually tell them what a brain-dead shit show this organization has become.
I’m like you… watched for decades, and never imagined they would fall to the depths they find themselves in now. And I’ll add to that I have zero confidence the people in place right now are the ones who can get things turned around.
not sure how anyone can.
Very well said, and I tend to look at the bright side of things but it’s tough with this franchise and what we’ve been given the last dozen seasons.
Still no 1C, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1D, nor is there one in the system.
Still no 1G, nor is there one in the system.Is it scouting, drafting, or player development? or all of the above? I am in the minority about Buium however, and not because I thought Jett was the better pick/prospect. I think the history with his agent would’ve possibly had the same outcome as CG.
It is all the above and a cumulative effort of other departmental failures. I do not think the flyers hire the right people. Start with “hilf”. He has no business leading a sports franchise. He is a fan boy who IMO is easily manipulated.
They have nothing to sell except the past which shows these guys are not too bright. No new ideas. No new direction. No new concepts. No new anything. It will not change until the team is sold (not likely) or a total purge takes place. Again, not likely.
I never ever thought I would see this franchise end up in the shape it has ended up in. Really sad for someone who has been watching for decades.
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
It’s a strong indicator of top form, out of camp, for Zegras who still has an upside. Health is the only concern. Your claim he isn’t an upgrade over Frost is laughable. The last two seasons, at his injury riddled worst, Zegras put up 88 games 47 points .534 ppg. Frost put up
152 games 78 points .513 ppg. They’re only committed to Dvorak’s overpayment for one year. He won a lottery ticket as a UFA and the Flyers may as well as have spent to the cap this year. I still regret they weren’t able to get a better, and yes, more expensive Dman than Noah Juulsen and maybe spent less on the slot they filled with Dvorak. He’ still an upgrade over Peohling.Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
No. I clearly told you my definition of hard to play against and you substituted your own. You want the broad street bullies? Well you may get them but it’s not the 1970’s anymore. Stanley Cup winners generally have certain things in common. The Flyers have none of those things, nor do they even try beyond some lip service.
Your definition is not the generally accepted definition. Yeah, a hard to play against team is a big team that has mean players who hit people, they’re willing to get nasty in the trenches. What was the last Cup champ that didn’t have that, that built their team around small, skilled guys who get pushed around like shopping carts? The Flyers do have enough legitimate short term questions on D and in goal. The fact they aren’t building in your preferred fashion is of no consequence to me. They’re building in my preferred fashion.
The flyers have been building a team that is “hard” to play against for how many years now? What a success. Wasn’t that accomplished with torts? Whatever the flyers have tried has been a total failure for a decade plus.
Funny how you much like the flyers always leave the most important part out. High end talent. Always the intangibles and other flyers propaganda buzzwords.
They also have legit short- and long-term questions at center. In other words, they pretty need everything.
Who are these big mean hits people and nasty to play against on the flyers currently? Who in the system fits that description?
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Zegras played up to his earlier standards the last couple months. Frost was never a 0.7-0.75 PPG and never will be. Zegras was playing up to that standard. He’s a clear upgrade over Frost and Dvorak is an upgrade over Poehling. The Flyers upgraded half their center position in one trade deadline and off season. How is that terrible and sign of inherent Flyers incompetence?
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
I don’t see the Flyers as taking a chance on Zegras. Maybe health wise, but he’s a legit Top 6 forward who was very good the last two months of last season. The Walker trade at the 23-24 deadline fits. They drafted Nesbitt with that plus another pick. Frost has some value, not so sure about Farabee . . . but that was a rebuilding move too. How wasn’t it?
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
