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They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
Sarcasm Monday! Hahahaha! They dodged a bullet when Krug nixed the Sanheim deal. They’d be even worse if that went down. Not sure what the thinking was. Aside from that, things haven’t been flashy, not like the bold strikes Holmgren made even when he took over as GM mid-season 06-07. That turnaround was astonishing, they were in the finals in three years. That’s clearly not happening here but I do see some fundamental things being done right.
24th on goals, 28th GAA, 29th differential, PP 30th, PK% 20th, s/gp 28th, sv% 32nd. They lost 500 SOG last year from the previous year.
The Flyers were not a good puck possession team last year. Their metrics show they deserve to be a bottom feeder team. The best thing you can say about them is that their historically bad PP (and they are in the record books for being the worst in the league for 3 years straight) is no longer the worst, just god awful. The fundamentals you speak of, don’t exist. It’s the dreaded “eye test” i guess.
A real GM would’ve fired Rocky. There was literally nobody worse in the league and he was untouchable. Hell Torts was only let go after Torts crossed the line with York and then told the world that he had no interest in coaching another game for the team. Even then DB lamented how much he wanted Torts back.
Briere made many many mistakes from the Gauthier debacle (regardless of how people feel about CB, the Flyers were bush league in how they demonized the kid). To the Flyers not realizing the difference between man-to-man defense vs zone when they evaluated/traded for Drysdale. To allowing Torts to dictate that the Phantoms can do whatever the hell they want system wise because he dgaf. Bribing Fedotov to come over with a large NHL contract, Kolosov handling, goalie handling in general.
The mistakes are legion and that’s just a few. Last season was a poopshow from start to finish but DB didn’t do much until Torts forced his hand publicly. How many other teams in the NHL intentionally start the season shorthanded on defense? Others have mentioned more. We’d be here all day if we listed everything.
this does not get mentioned at all. he flat out said he wanted to bring him back.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
Yes, it is not last year. They have done very little to improve upon that to me. Took a chance on a young player who has upside. That is it.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
Here is where we disagree. There really was never any rebuild. There is no valid argument to show otherwise.
I don’t want to be entertained. I want them to build a perennial contender. Which they are not doing. Finishing 8th worst in the league but being “entertaining” doesn’t cut it.
Sad thing is I am more entertained these days watching them lose and continue to spin on the hamster wheel. This is what they have turned me into!!!
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Don’t think they have taken the right approach at all
What exactly would the right approach be? Give me 3 to 5 really bad decisions made since Briere took over at GM.
They are the gold standard. team is in pretty much the same spot since boy wonder took over.
Ranked 6th out of how many rebuilds? Either way, his grades seem overly generous for a team that finished last in their division, and here’s why I think that way…
Overall Rebuild Grade B What exactly has been rebuilt? I still don’t see a heck of a lot of high-end talent in the pipeline. You’d think finishing outside the playoffs each of the past 4 seasons would have netted a couple of exciting prospects, but alas, there’s only Porter Martone to show for their woes.
Overall Roster C+ This may be the only realistic grade on this list, though I’d drop it just based on the below-average defense and the abysmal goaltending.
Prospect Pool A- This one puzzles me. With the exception of Michkov (who’s already on the NHL roster) and Martone falling into their laps, where does such a high rating come from? There’s no top defenseman nor is there a top center in the system, and we all know the Flyers goaltending prospects have been mostly disappointing for 3 1/2 decades now.
Head Coach & General Manager B Really don’t get this one either. The trades Briere has made have pretty much been no-brainers. There are other trades he should have made, but like the two GMs before him, there just doesn’t seem to be any creativity in trying to improve the roster with the few assets that could fetch something of significance (more than late round draft picks) in return. And don’t get me started on continuing the tradition of making the “safe pick” (outside of Michkov & Martone, has there been any attempt to swing for the fences?). As for the HC, where’s the hot goaltender to bail him out? Tocchet’s record without one is more of what the Flyers have experienced over the past 4 seasons. A .448 career winning percentage is not overly inspiring to me (and don’t use the “bad teams” excuse because that’s what he’s inheriting in Philly).
I’ve watched this team for far too long to think they’re setting themselves up for success right now. All I’m seeing is an unwillingness to learn from the repeated mistakes of the past decade.
agree with solid points.
Don’t think they have taken the right approach at all
Can’t rebuild something that was never built. Flyers are so far away from cup contention it is sad.
Some of those grades are generous to me.
“but the difficult work is in the rearview mirror for Briere”
How the hell is the difficult work in the rear view mirror.
