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  • #47278
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Rogers better pony up the cash and make some huge splashes, cause you know the Dodgers are going to.

    Considering they went to the World Series, players should be willing to sign for a chance to win and Rogers should be spending more because ultimately winning would boost their returns.

    They just have to give these players the Vlad structured contract to avoid the retarded Canadian taxes.

    Definitely need a better closer, a left handed staring pitcher would be nice, clear out the Santander types on the team, lock up Bo and add another power bat for good measure.

    75-100 million extra payroll per season, they give themselves ample opportunities to return to the dance and get the job done this time.

    #47417
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Just looking at the UFA list, there are some prime candidates the Jays should be targeting.

    Top of the list, Framber Valdez. He’s from the DR so Vladdy could make some calls. Plan B could be Ranger Suarez. Andrés Giménez could make the calls.

    For a closer, Robert Suarez is available. Another guy Andrés Giménez could help recruit.

    Verlander is out there. Scherzer could obviously come back if he doesn’t retire. Same with Bassitt if he is okay with being a utility guy, part time starter, insurance policy. Could probably also move on from Berrios to open up pay roll for some of these guys.

    Jorge Polanco, another DR guy, could provide the Jays with another power bat, switch hitter too, could probably play anywhere they need to fill gaps 2B/3B/SS. Helps make the Mariners weaker too.

    Trent Grisham is an interesting name. He could play any OF position, has some power, bats left. Nice to pluck him away from another potential playoff foe, the Yankees, too.

    If the Jays make a big splash and get aggressive, they could spend 100 million per year more and they could have a team that looks like this…

    Re-sign Bichette 10 years, 230 million, 23 million AAV.
    Re-sign Bassitt, 2 years, 32 million, 16 million AAV.
    Re-sign Sherzer, 1 year, 15 million.

    Sign LHP – Valdez 6 years, 198 million, 33 million AAV or Ranger Suarez 6 years, 162 million, 27 million AAV.
    Sign Closer – Robert Suarez, 2 years, 34 million, 17 million AAV.
    Sign power infield switch hitter – Polanco, 4 years, 64 million, 16 million AAV.
    Sign power outfield left bat – Grisham, 3 years, 36 million, 12 million AAV.

    This is going by Spotrac valuations. Some may be a bit high, some might be low. They should average out to about the same total but land somewhere in that range considering the Jays are “contenders”.

    Trade: Berrios, Santander, Rodriguez, Garcia (clears roughly 40ish million). Could probably use those guys to bolster the bullpen and bring in some solid options on cheaper contracts.

    That’s a net increase of 89-92 million dollars of pay roll. Call it an even 100 million if they bring in some cheaper bullpen arms or bench utility players in return for the players traded.

    Increase the average ticket price by 25 dollars for 81 home games, that brings in an extra 85 million for 81 home games, just on tickets alone. Just imagine the extra money they’d make if they have another playoff run or win the World Series in the next 3 years.

    That buys the Jays this type of roster.

    1/2 – Gausman – Valdez or Ranger Suarez – Gives the Jays two proven aces, one righty and one lefty.
    3/4 – Yesavage – Bieber – If Yesavage can handle a full season, great, if he can’t, still have Bieber who can be the #3 or #4 guy.
    5 – Scherzer – Bassitt – Lauer – Bullpen game when required – Lots of versatility in this slot, could be situational.

    RP: Bassitt, Lauer, Fluharty, Varland, Hoffman (should not be closer, could maybe be a set-up guy or trade him entirely)
    Closer: Robert Suarez

    OF – LF: Grisham CF: Varsho RF: Barger – Springer
    IF – 3B: Polanco SS: Gimenez 2B: Bichette 1B: Vlad – Clement
    C: Kirk
    DH: Springer

    Bench: Clement (platoons the infield), Lukes, Straw, Heineman, Schneider, Speedy McSliderson (a new speedy pair of legs that knows how to actually slide head first into home plate).

    1. Bichette (R) 2. Grisham (L) 3. Vlad (R) 4. Springer (R) 5. Polanco (S) 6. Kirk (R) 7. Barger (L) 8. Varsho (R) 9. Gimenez (L)

    That’s a significantly improved version of what the Jays already went to extra innings, Game 7 with vs. the Dodgers. The Dodgers will make additions, the Jays can’t stand pat.

    #47539
    ribs1909
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    Dream on loser and bad choices

    #47581
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Dream on loser and bad choices

    Come up with something better dipshit.

    #47615
    ribs1909
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    Dream on loser and bad choices

    Come up with something better dipshit.

    Oh in the fantasy world that you live in where making moves are so easy. I mean hell the GMs never think about your ideas. But if we are playing MLB the Show.

    Trade for Skubal. Rumors are he is available.
    Sign Edwin Diaz and AJ Puk (lefty)
    May as well get Tucker and re-sign Bo

    Trade for a couple of all stars at the deadline.

    I know I know…. unpossible, only your dreams make sense. PS Grisham is a terrible gamble.

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by ribs1909.
    #47657
    Unholy_Goalie
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    I’d say the idea of signing free agents (especially the ones who have direct ties to current Jays through international play) is a lot less of a fantasy than pulling trades for Skubal and other all-stars.

    Spending 100 million extra on pay roll might indeed be the fantasy but the entire run last year was a fantasy so why shouldn’t Rogers indulge their fans with a big investment if they were that close to winning it all? Expecting to win a World Series by running it back with the exact same team, while the Dodgers and other contenders will continue to load up, is the fantasy.

    Edwin Diaz and AJ Puk are reasonable suggestions, I just don’t see them as connected or as effective as other options.

    Kyle Tucker, because he is the #1 prize and is as great as he is, is going to cost the Jays between 45-60 million a season to sign. He’s a great player. But he’s far away from what the Jays need to improve upon. They already had the #1 offense in the MLB. Signing some reinforcements to protect from regression makes a lot more sense than trying to sign a guy who would be making even more money than Vlad.

    Trent Grisham is a gamble, yes and I’d be open to signing any other power hitting left bat out there with this toolbox, but there aren’t that many available. I’d sign Kyle Schwarber but he’s going to cost twice as much and is in the same price zone as Tucker. Do the Jays really need him? It’d be nice but the payroll isn’t unlimited. Some type of cost analysis still needs to be considered.

    If maintaining his career high season is the question mark, the Jays coaches have taken literal minor leaguers and made them contributors. Part of that is they caught lightning in a bottle and a bit of luck but if those coaches can stabilize Grisham, you’d be taking a reasonable gamble if his salary comes within a reasonable range.

    The Jays could manage with or without Grisham. It’d be a potential upgrade to the ranks. What they definitely need is to retain their core pieces and add an ace lefty and a surefire closer. After that, the rest would be welcomed gravy.

    #50013
    senstrolltwo
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    Would you rather
    Kyle tucker 8x35m – 280
    Bo bichette 7x27m – 189

    Tucker
    31 hr
    103 rbi
    140 ops+
    273/377/464
    5.8 war

    Bo
    24hr
    95 rbi
    121 ops+
    294/357/483
    4.5 war

    • This reply was modified 3 days, 5 hours ago by senstrolltwo.
    #50036
    Unholy_Goalie
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    Would you rather
    Kyle tucker 8x35m – 280
    Bo bichette 7x27m – 189

    Tucker
    31 hr
    103 rbi
    140 ops+
    273/377/464
    5.8 war

    Bo
    24hr
    95 rbi
    121 ops+
    294/357/483
    4.5 war

    https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/available/_/year/2026

    Spotrac has Tucker at 40 million a season and Bo at 23 million. Schwarber at 25 million is more comparable for price.

    If that’s the case, I’d rather take Bo and Schwarber for 8 million more than one Tucker.

    Players have also been getting 10+ year deals lately, so less than 10 years seems less likely.

    #50149
    Fakepartofme
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    Would you rather
    Kyle tucker 8x35m – 280
    Bo bichette 7x27m – 189

    Tucker
    31 hr
    103 rbi
    140 ops+
    273/377/464
    5.8 war

    Bo
    24hr
    95 rbi
    121 ops+
    294/357/483
    4.5 war

    I could tucker getting 10 years but I dont see Bo getting 10. I think 7 x 27m is pretty accurate.
    Bo’s fielding is pretty average and the Jays could easily replace it.
    I think its either tucker or Bo plus a quality SP and Bassitt as RP
    Maybe the jays sign a cheap bat as well.
    Id be fine with signing Tucker and trading for ketel marte depending on cost.

    I just dont ever want to see Santander play the field again.

    #50152
    senstrolltwo
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    I could tucker getting 10 years but I dont see Bo getting 10. I think 7 x 27m is pretty accurate.
    Bo’s fielding is pretty average and the Jays could easily replace it.
    I think its either tucker or Bo plus a quality SP and Bassitt as RP
    Maybe the jays sign a cheap bat as well.
    Id be fine with signing Tucker and trading for ketel marte depending on cost.

    I just dont ever want to see Santander play the field again.

    Santander should bounce back, the thing with him is hes a free 30hr bat they didnt even need to get to the WS. him in the field is tough to watch, but we have been spoiled with the Jays great D.
    assuming hes healthy, I think he has a good season.

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