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December 13, 2025 at 9:41 pm #54706
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantWho says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Closer by committee is retarded. They need an elite closer, end of story.
They can have every leverage setup they want but the final out of Game 7 in the World Series calls for an elite closer and the Jays don’t have one yet. Even the Dodgers, who won, realized that having to use Yamamoto on 0 days rest was not something they wanted to do again. That’s the team they have to beat.
December 13, 2025 at 7:44 pm #54656CanadaCup
ParticipantI started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
December 13, 2025 at 1:07 am #54509Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantI started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
December 12, 2025 at 8:57 pm #54501CanadaCup
ParticipantRogers and Lee
You know who walked a lot of batters last year? Jays relievers. You know who doesn’t walk guys? Rogers and Lee.
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December 12, 2025 at 8:32 pm #54496Mr. Sir
ParticipantRogers and Lee
December 12, 2025 at 3:31 pm #54452WHIPPER
ParticipantYeah, I hear ya
Santander should backup Vladdy at 1st
I would like to see Clase replace StrawAlso, Schreck cometh 🔜
Pinango?Might be a good time to sell high on Lukes
His arm is a total muffin
Varsho choked worse than any Leaf 🤬Holy fuck, he was INCREDIBLE in the outfield. But EVERY time he came up to bat, I was thinking “PLEASE just hit a single.”
December 12, 2025 at 3:19 pm #54445Mr. Sir
ParticipantYeah, I hear ya
Santander should backup Vladdy at 1st
I would like to see Clase replace StrawAlso, Schreck cometh 🔜
Pinango?Might be a good time to sell high on Lukes
His arm is a total muffin
Varsho choked worse than any Leaf 🤬December 12, 2025 at 3:07 pm #54443CanadaCup
ParticipantTrade bait:
Loperfido
Schneider
Straw
Lukes
Santander
Berrios
Little
Bruihl
NanceSantander won’t bring much. I’d rather see if he can turn things around. The other OF’ers probably depend on whether they sign someone (Tucker/Belinger). If they get Tucker, they could move Lukes. If not I’d like to keep a leftie bat.
December 12, 2025 at 3:02 pm #54440CanadaCup
ParticipantI started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Great interview with Ponce. Talks about what a God Ryu is in Korea. His story of the game where he beat Ryu’s strikeout record is very cool. Would love to see this guy succeed here.
December 12, 2025 at 3:00 pm #54439Mr. Sir
ParticipantTrade bait:
Loperfido
Schneider
Straw
Lukes
Santander
Berrios
Little
Bruihl
Nance -
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