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All this without Varsho and Santander (who has sucked).
Barger has been a good success so far, hope he continues to be a legitimate 3rd basement.But honestly, Vlad is great defensively….he’s just not where he needs to be offensively yet.
I cant wait to get Vasho back and healthy, he is so fun in CF, and his bat was coming around.
Santandar what a letdown so far. But luckily they haven’t really needed his bat, but when he comes back, lets see that 35hr power in this linueup.Vlad is still leading the team in fwar, just over Clement, like wtf, I was dead wrong on Ernie..I would have dumped him for nothing
BlueJays are an MLB-best 27-10 since Bo Bichette’s pinch-hit, game-winning HR in TEX on May 28.
TOR’s offence has scored 5.76 runs/game in that span, the highest of any team in baseball.All that without the 3 biggest additions doing anything, Santandar, Giminez and Scherzer are like .2 WAR total
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The Jays are fun to watch now a days for sure and they seem to be having fun and gelling (funny how winning will do that) in a way I haven’t seen since probably 2015 or so. I hope they can ride this hot streak and not cool off too much and get some guys (like Varsho and Santy) back and keep this up.
I have friends who I have never even thought were fans let alone gone to a game with sending me messages like “we need to get to a Jays game!”.
So good to see.
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going for 11 in a row, team record is 11 (5 times)
In 2015, they did it twice apparently.
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Well the Jays lost one game…back in the shitter they go.
Vlad is absolutely garbage at baserunning and sliding….$35m…hasnt even hit 15hrs….what a joke.
I think he just needs to relax on the bases, he tries to make things happen and over commits and get picked off. just be smarter, its not hard. calculated risks.
they dont need him to be the hero on bases, just hit the ball hard
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Nice sweep of the SFG, now 3 against the NYY, also fuck the Yankees
Solid win!
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Jays blew that game.
It would be nice if Vlad could hit for power again.Need to take game 3
well they never had the lead in the game, so didnt really blow it. they just didnt complete the comeback..or something
get it back today…cuz fuck the yankees
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I have friends who I have never even thought were fans let alone gone to a game with sending me messages like “we need to get to a Jays game!”. Rob
No you dont and no they arent lol. – AA pretending to be someone else like the waste of skin he is
This trolling attempt is as pathetic as the Yankee’s defense.
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aaaanywho
Jays TDL.. I am guessing they add Pitching. A good RP and maybe a Starter.
They still have Varsho Santandar and Giminez on IR to come back.
Guys coming back is almost like adds via trade! lol
They really have strung together an impressive stretch here and it’s clear they believe in themselves and each other which is fantastic.
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Jays TDL.. I am guessing they add Pitching. A good RP and maybe a Starter.
They still have Varsho Santandar and Giminez on IR to come back.
Trade Santander and go after E Suerez and some bullpen.
Suerez and barger can flip back and forth between 3rd and DH.
Giminez is good defensively, but hurts the team offensively.Varsho is great all around. Miss him
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Jays back on their bullshit, get this out of their system and back to winning all the games ffs
they did it, tried to give the game back.
TDL day.
A few more good RP off the board. Who is left for the Jays Bednar maybe?
a SP Adrian Houser might be an optionadding . I see Mason Miller might be available.. nice to have a pitcher who throws 102-104mph
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Toronto-Cleveland trade will be 1 for 1, source says.
Shane Bieber for Khal Stephen.moves
Im on the fence about this. It could be great or a disaster.
He wont be back until mid August…maybe start him as a long relief arm until he’s 100%.
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Toronto-Cleveland trade will be 1 for 1, source says.
Shane Bieber for Khal Stephen.moves
Im on the fence about this. It could be great or a disaster.
He wont be back until mid August…maybe start him as a long relief arm until he’s 100%.
He has a player option which if he is good he will opt out, if he sucks, the Jays will be stuck paying it for a yearI’m tired of Jays playing it safe. If he gets back to form, their rotation becomes really good for a decent price (maybe 3rd best pitching prospect). The player option means he likely goes to FA. He’s pretty much a rental
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Im on the fence about this. It could be great or a disaster.
He wont be back until mid August…maybe start him as a long relief arm until he’s 100%.
He has a player option which if he is good he will opt out, if he sucks, the Jays will be stuck paying it for a yearits a big hit or miss deal. Former cy young winner. Lots of upside, but giant question mark at this point
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I’m tired of Jays playing it safe. If he gets back to form, their rotation becomes really good for a decent price (maybe 3rd best pitching prospect). The player option means he likely goes to FA. He’s pretty much a rental
are you saying this is the Jays playing it safe? because I think its the opposite. very risky for a decent P prospect
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I’m tired of Jays playing it safe. If he gets back to form, their rotation becomes really good for a decent price (maybe 3rd best pitching prospect). The player option means he likely goes to FA. He’s pretty much a rental
are you saying this is the Jays playing it safe? because I think its the opposite. very risky for a decent P prospect
I like that they’re not playing it safe. Bieber is really good if he’s back and players have earned bringing in a top of rotation guy
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Thats my concern…he could be just a rental.
but thats all baked into the costs in Baseball. if he had term/control he would cost more.
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I’m tired of Jays playing it safe. If he gets back to form, their rotation becomes really good for a decent price (maybe 3rd best pitching prospect). The player option means he likely goes to FA. He’s pretty much a rental
Thats my concern…he could be just a rental.[/quote]
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Yankees loading TF up, SMDH.
I think Jays have one more move. Just traded Wagner for a minor league catcher. Opens up a roster spot.
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Yankees loading TF up, SMDH.
I think Jays have one more move. Just traded Wagner for a minor league catcher. Opens up a roster spot.
I was wondering WTF that was all about, I was worried that Kirk was going to be out long term. Hopefully, there is one more decent bat incoming.
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Yankees loading TF up, SMDH.
I think Jays have one more move. Just traded Wagner for a minor league catcher. Opens up a roster spot.
Or maybe not. Spot for Bieber with guys coming back? Dunno
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Jays get Louie Varland (looks like great stats) and Ty France (meh).
pretty much my thoughts
Varland is not a well known name, but been really good. also have lots of years of control left. odd deal for Minny.
Jays accomplished most of the needs.. 2 upgraded RP, 1 maybe starter.
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More detail on the Jays BP moves. Yankees upgraded a bit more for sure, but this will do also
Toronto’s pen has been more good than great — middle of the pack in both ERA and WAR — and while that’s not a problem, exactly, it’s also a group heavily relying on a pair of breakout arms with almost no track record of this kind of performance, in lefty Brendon Little and righty Braydon Fisher. Free-agent closer Jeff Hoffman has been better than his 4.76 ERA would imply, as a third of his runs allowed came in one bad week-long May stretch, but he’s also not exactly been consistent, either. Throw in the struggles of since-released Chad Green, and injuries that have sidelined the underrated Yimi García, and all of a sudden, Toronto was looking at some real bullpen concerns.
They did not, comparatively, add big names. There’s no Duran, Miller, Doval or Bednar here. Instead, they added Louis Varland, who has posted the quietest 2.02 ERA that absolutely no one outside of Minnesota knows about — mostly because he’s not Duran or Griffin Jax — and hasn’t allowed a homer since April, in no small part because of this kind of velocity boost. That’s mostly about being in the bullpen and not the rotation, as he occasionally has been, but also: He touches 101 mph now.
Louis Varland has been adding velocity like nobody’s business over the last few seasons, and his entire arsenal is playing up now as a result. His four-seamer, sinker, and curveball all grade out as plus pitches in 2025 –– both by run value and Stuff+.
They also added Seranthony Domínguez, who has completely remade himself over the last two seasons, adding a high-quality sweeper last year and dropping his changeup for a splitter this year. To say those pitches have worked out is a bit of an understatement; between the two of them, they’ve allowed eight hits all season long. That’s it — and against righties, who mostly see the sweeper and the 97.7 mph four-seam, he’s allowed a mere .123/.260/.173 line.
Varland and Dominguez won’t move the PR needle like the bigger stars here, and the Jays’ bullpen won’t quite be relief-first in October, like other clubs will be. If this pitching staff is going to succeed, it’s going to be because they have a rotation that just added Shane Bieber to Kevin Gausman, Max Scherzer, Chris Bassitt and José Berríos. But with these two additions, they’re deeper — and a lot nastier, too.
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According to the Athletic, the Yankees were winners at the TDL, and the Jays were losers. They didn’t like that we didn’t pick up a closer.
Ha right on cue
Varland and Dominguez won’t move the PR needle like the bigger stars here, and the Jays
The jays have a closer, so they didnt add another closer, I guess. but they upgraded a decent amount.
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Seems good
Relative to their league, the 2025 Blue Jays have the best strikeout-avoiding offense this *century*.Correlation isn’t causation, of course, but the other teams from the last 25 years that are comparable outliers in terms of their contact ability have fared pretty well…
this Jays team gives me 2015 KCR vibes.
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should the Jays pay Bo 200-250mil?
just hit 3r hr, pay this man his money
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should the Jays pay Bo 200-250mil?
No.
Id do a 5 year $125m.
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No.
Id do a 5 year $125m.
We have a potential Bo replacement coming up.
Keep it short termnot a chance that happens. he gets 200 mil as UFA easy min.
hes 27, 10 years 250 mil would be fine.
it doesnt feel like it, but he leads the entire league in Hits. by a dozen
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not a chance that happens. he gets 200 mil as UFA easy min.
hes 27, 10 years 250 mil would be fine.
it doesnt feel like it, but he leads the entire league in Hits. by a dozen[/quote]
Every yank ball analyst that has been on Sportsnet lately for a hit has said Bo is a $170 – $185m player on the open market.
We dont need Bo for 10 years, plus I think he will probably have a big drop off in about 5 years. Also, we already have anchor of contract in vlad.Id even do 3 years at $28 per.
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Cant get into hockeybuzz. No idea why but cant log in so here I am. Any roomers, news, activity in getting rid of Jamprock and Kampfing? Trying to find anything Leafs related while on vacay but some sites work here and some dont. Most of my apps dont. Anyone help a brother out? Any signings? Max P news?
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Every yank ball analyst that has been on Sportsnet lately for a hit has said Bo is a $170 – $185m player on the open market.
We dont need Bo for 10 years, plus I think he will probably have a big drop off in about 5 years. Also, we already have anchor of contract in vlad.Id even do 3 years at $28 per.
He is going to get 8+ year deal. he is a UFA its his time to get his payday.
here is a good breakdown, projections 173-265 for 8 or 10 years. I guess it just depends how he projects out.
https://jayscentre.com/news-rumors/toronto-blue-jays/bo-bichette-extension-look-like/so far he has been 4.5 rWar /162
so if you project he is a 3 war average over an 8 year deal, that lands in the 216mil range (27m per season)
So i see 200 mil no prob for himhappy to be wrong and he gets 6x20m with the Jays
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Also how did you fruits and gimps change your avatars?
I cant get into HB either. It doesnt recognize my email at all and when I try to create a new account with my old name, it says my old name still exist.
Hasnt been worth the headache yet…maybe come october.
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Let’s not Leaf the Jays boys. Who cares about contracts and AAV. Let’s talk performance and line ups and stories. Like Manoah Yesavage and Beiber starting next 3 bison games. Hyped for it to see what happens and how they can potentially help the team down the stretch. Unfortunately Manoah pooped the bed today but still eager to see how the other two do the next couple of days. Definitely reason to be excited as a Jays fan with reinforcements on the way to the pitching staff.
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I cant get into HB either. It doesnt recognize my email at all and when I try to create a new account with my old name, it says my old name still exist.
Hasnt been worth the headache yet…maybe come october.
Adding an avatar here can be a pain.I can’t even figure out how to add the avatar on HB, it shows me upload it, but as soon as I hit save it disappears?
wtf am I doing wrong? lol
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Vlad <> Matthews – In TO for entire Career
Bichette <> Marner – Leave as UFAVlad <> Matthews – both no shows when it counts.
So far.
Hope that changes
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Let’s not Leaf the Jays boys. Who cares about contracts and AAV. Let’s talk performance and line ups and stories. Like Manoah Yesavage and Beiber starting next 3 bison games. Hyped for it to see what happens and how they can potentially help the team down the stretch. Unfortunately Manoah pooped the bed today but still eager to see how the other two do the next couple of days. Definitely reason to be excited as a Jays fan with reinforcements on the way to the pitching staff.
The Jays have been a great surprise this season and hopefully still have some things up their sleeves.
Nice to see Vlad finally clutch.
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Let’s not Leaf the Jays boys. Who cares about contracts and AAV. Let’s talk performance and line ups and stories. Like Manoah Yesavage and Beiber starting next 3 bison games. Hyped for it to see what happens and how they can potentially help the team down the stretch. Unfortunately Manoah pooped the bed today but still eager to see how the other two do the next couple of days. Definitely reason to be excited as a Jays fan with reinforcements on the way to the pitching staff.
The Jays have been a great surprise this season and hopefully still have some things up their sleeves.
Nice to see Vlad finally clutch.
If Beiber and Yesavage can contribute at good level, watch out. Should be fun down the stretch!
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AppleTV game…..pa fangulo! Rogers just put up their rates for streaming their service and yet a 3rd party gets games going down the stretch during a pennant race.
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Nonsense like this is why I dont feel bad using sites like this https://mlbwebcast.com/
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The Beibs getting the start Friday. Would be huge if he can be a legit starter the rest of the way. Max is starting to heat up also.
SP has been a weak spot.Lauer out of the Pen for now.
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The Beibs getting the start Friday. Would be huge if he can be a legit starter the rest of the way. Max is starting to heat up also.
SP has been a weak spot.Lauer out of the Pen for now.
Not sure i agree Sensie. Thought our SP has been good all year, not great but definitely good enough.
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The Beibs getting the start Friday. Would be huge if he can be a legit starter the rest of the way. Max is starting to heat up also.
SP has been a weak spot.Lauer out of the Pen for now.
Working with six starters allows guys with lots of innings pitched to get a bit of rest. Also becomes a bit of an audition to see how playoff roster gets sorted out.
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AppleTV game…..pa fangulo! Rogers just put up their rates for streaming their service and yet a 3rd party gets games going down the stretch during a pennant race.
Deal with Apple was negotiated by MLB, not Rogers
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AppleTV game…..pa fangulo! Rogers just put up their rates for streaming their service and yet a 3rd party gets games going down the stretch during a pennant race.
Deal with Apple was negotiated by MLB, not Rogers
Pretty sure his point was the Rogers rate hike combined with less content, regardless of who negotiated the apple deal. End of the day Roger’s owns the team and will get money from such a deal, while fans pay more for sportsnet while getting less, then have to pay for apple TV to watch the games. End of the day, fans lose twice in this scenario.
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Deal with Apple was negotiated by MLB, not Rogers
Pretty sure his point was the Rogers rate hike combined with less content, regardless of who negotiated the apple deal. End of the day Roger’s owns the team and will get money from such a deal, while fans pay more for sportsnet while getting less, then have to pay for apple TV to watch the games. End of the day, fans lose twice in this scenario.[/quote]
Welcome to capitalism, corporations get richer for charging more for less.
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They almost blew that game tonight. They were fortunate that they weren’t embarrassed, losing a game that should have been in the bag. There were some suspect coaching moves, in regards to leaving pitchers out there too long. Now they’ve wore out their bullpen. Hopefully, tomorrow’s starter can give them at least 7 strong innings.
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overall decent results from the weekend. Still 5 games up thanks for Boston.
Sweep the 3 against minny, then its Milwaukee for a tough series. all games at home, so thats goodadding this
MGR John Schneider has alerted his 6 Blue Jays starters as a group to be ready for creative twists to a 5-man rotation. With Lauer now Wed. would allow trio vs. Brewers of Bieber, Gausman, Scherzer, with the same 3some at Yankees Sept. 5-7. Extra rest one time would help Berrios
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win 2/3 over Minny, fine Ill take it.
Big series now, Top 2 teams. Go Jays!
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should be interesting this weekend with Milwaukee in town
let’s see how the Jays match up against them.for sure, Love how they lined up the pitching. Beibs, Gaus, MAx
Did Lauer just pitch is way out of the starting lineup? rough night for him
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Fun comeback win, gunna be honest I wasnt sure they would do it
also kind of a Big win since the skanks lost.
If the Jays just go 9-9 from here on out, the Yankees would have to go 13-5 to pass them. The Red Sox would have to go 12-4. Houston would have to go 14-3.
Win 10 games and it’s that much tougher. The Jays are very much in control of their fate here.
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Fun comeback win, gunna be honest I wasnt sure they would do it
also kind of a Big win since the skanks lost.
If the Jays just go 9-9 from here on out, the Yankees would have to go 13-5 to pass them. The Red Sox would have to go 12-4. Houston would have to go 14-3.
Win 10 games and it’s that much tougher. The Jays are very much in control of their fate here.Was at the game last night, it was such a frustrating game until the 9th inning, but they pulled it off. Got pretty exciting fast.
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What a gem pitched by Gausman yesterday.
Beauty!Fun Comeback.
Esp nice since the Orioles are trash
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What a gem pitched by Gausman yesterday.
Beauty!Fun Comeback.
Esp nice since the Orioles are trashcome back #44 of the season.
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Them Jays are going to the post season …. for how many games will they play?
I’m hoping for a lot so I can get to a game, Let’s go Blue Jays!!!
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Ah yes, the Jays are leafing it.
Choking when it countsAs much as in SOME of the games the umpiring has been atrocious (Springer got jobbed on back to back calls the other night and that for sure double probably would have been a huge momentum swing in that game and MAYBE resulted in a different outcome) the Jays have just been terrible at the plate and the pitching hasn’t been able to deliver either. Vladdy is ice cold, same with Kirk etc. They miss Bo’s bat big time but even that may not have been enough to prevent this slide they are in.
Kirk getting gunned out for the final out at 1st from left field was just the icing on the cake last night – so brutal.
Yankee’s getting hot (or Chicago being terrible) hasn’t helped and the Yanks have Baltimore to end the season – wild card spot for the Jays if a very possible / likely scenario.
Could be a pretty short post season sadly. 🙁
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Fuck Apple TV and MLB for screwing the rank and file fans of the Jays. Nobody wants to pay for a subscription to see one game that meant so much in the standings. MLB should have cut Apple TV from games in September. The fans pay for the Sportsnet service and expect to have games down the stretch available to them. I know that they would never see this post, but let it be a lesson to the NHL to not take advantage of the Canadian Hockey fans going down the stretch. I have Prime because I have an Amazon account, but I certainly don’t want to see games over there, especially down the stretch. It’s enough that we have to subscribe to Hockey Night in Canada, TSN and Sportsnet to see the Leafs play during the regular season. The fragmentation of regional sports channels is getting out of hand. See the Buffalo Bills who’ll play on 6 or 7 networks for a 17 Game schedule. Ludicrous!
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Yankees blew a lead and bases loaded with none out in the bottom on the 9th last night – it’s nice not to have to hear/read all the Yankees fans yapping today. lol
Prices for Jays post season tickets are crazy (resale because who was fast enough to get decently priced seats when they went on sale?).
I’m on some text dist. thingy for when the $20 GA tickets go on sale and I’m sure I won’t get any that way either lol.
I have a guy I used to work with who has seasons and he was selling tickets but I was too slow to get anything from him for the ALCS and I’m away for the ALDS.
Much like MLSE if season ticket holders want post season tickets they have to buy the entire set right up to the world series apparently. I locked in for a WS game at a really good price from him, figured it may be a once in a lifetime opportunity if the Jays get there so why not?
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Yankees blew a lead and bases loaded with none out in the bottom on the 9th last night – it’s nice not to have to hear/read all the Yankees fans yapping today. lol
Prices for Jays post season tickets are crazy (resale because who was fast enough to get decently priced seats when they went on sale?).
I’m on some text dist. thingy for when the $20 GA tickets go on sale and I’m sure I won’t get any that way either lol.
I have a guy I used to work with who has seasons and he was selling tickets but I was too slow to get anything from him for the ALCS and I’m away for the ALDS.
Much like MLSE if season ticket holders want post season tickets they have to buy the entire set right up to the world series apparently. I locked in for a WS game at a really good price from him, figured it may be a once in a lifetime opportunity if the Jays get there so why not?
Way to throw out a jinx on them Robert. SMH.
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Way to throw out a jinx on them Robert. SMH.Fuck off AA you mouth breather.[/quote]
Stay Classy, Rob.
How do you feel about being one of the main contributors to the fall of Hockeybuzz, Rob?
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Stay Classy, Rob.
How do you feel about being one of the main contributors to the fall of Hockeybuzz, Rob?
You talking about being classy is pretty funny coming from the guy who has created user names to pretend to be others both here and on HB, challenged someone to a fist fight but only if that person drove to him and just generally posts garbage non stop on whatever forum he’s on.
It’s flattering that you think I have or had that much influence on a website, anyone who has spent any time there knows it’s people like you who drove users away and just annoyed everyone who stayed endlessly. Why aren’t you posting there under your actual username or one of your alts? Are they all still banned?
Banned by others I might add not just me when I was a big mean mod who you claim had it out for you all the while you sending me PM’s asking me to team up with you in your epic battle against Joel (who was and continues to school you non-stop). The fact you were trying to get me to side with you just shows how truly desperate and clueless you are.
But sure – you are super classy & everyone should strive to be half as classy as you are.
Thanks for the Friday morning laugh.
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Nice victory today. Can they keep it going? It’s imperative that they win Game 2, putting the Yankees in a position to win out to win the series. They should have saved some of those runs for tomorrow. Hopefully, the pitching stays strong. The Yankees are error prone, so lets see if that rears it’s ugly head going forward. I think the winner of this series goes to the World Series.
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Nice victory today. Can they keep it going? It’s imperative that they win Game 2, putting the Yankees in a position to win out to win the series. They should have saved some of those runs for tomorrow. Hopefully, the pitching stays strong. The Yankees are error prone, so lets see if that rears it’s ugly head going forward. I think the winner of this series goes to the World Series.
no worries they had more runs saved up.
Trey was also okFun couple games so far. hope it continues
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Nice victory today. Can they keep it going? It’s imperative that they win Game 2, putting the Yankees in a position to win out to win the series. They should have saved some of those runs for tomorrow. Hopefully, the pitching stays strong. The Yankees are error prone, so lets see if that rears it’s ugly head going forward. I think the winner of this series goes to the World Series.
and that they did.
Seattle or Detroit?
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Good win, keep it going!
Vladdy clutch now, or somethingIts only taking several years, but Vladdy is finally stepping up when needed.
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Its only taking several years, but Vladdy is finally stepping up when needed.
Clement has been clutch as well.Its also confusing if Schneider is a good manager or bad still
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As a west coast Vancouver Island guy who’s always been a Mariners fan, I’m hoping they can pull it off tonight…GO MARINERS!!
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Interesting thread on how relief pitchers were used
https://x.com/ardenzwelling/status/1980716502295986498?s=61&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
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As a west coast Vancouver Island guy who’s always been a Mariners fan, I’m hoping they can pull it off tonight…GO MARINERS!!
no way jose
Go Fucking Jays, I cant believe they did the thing. down 0-2, down 2-3, and down 3-1 in the 7th.
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It was 10:30pm and my bed time.
Turned off the tv in my office and was going to bed. I changed the channel to the game on the living room tv and BOOM!!!!!!
Springer with a 3 run home run!!!
Good thing I stayed up past my bed time to catch that hit.Go Jays Go!!!!
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Wow this Jays team is unbelievable.
What a trip.The Jays highest paid Stars coming up big over and over. what a time to be alive (Hope the Leafs are taking notes)
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As a west coast Vancouver Island guy who’s always been a Mariners fan, I’m hoping they can pull it off tonight…GO MARINERS!!
Sorry to disappoint, but jump on the bandwagon, we’re going to LA!!! (After two games in Toronto).
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The Jays highest paid Stars coming up big over and over. what a time to be alive (Hope the Leafs are taking notes)
And their lowest paid players are coming through (Trey, Lukas, clement, barger)[/quote]
Barger and Yesavage are going to be superstars, and players are going to want to come to Toronto now, the future is bright. Gaus has been praising Toronto for a while now, now people will see why.I’ll be the first to admit, I was wrong AF. I was calling for Atkins and Shapiro’s heads at the beginning of the season. I think many were. Wild season.
LET’S GO BLUE JAYS!!!
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I guess the “jinx” that the little mouth breathing incel claimed I put on the Jays worked – Jays to the World Series baby!
Bonus for me since my ticket connection came through and I’ll be in the 200 deck for game 1 at face value – because no shot I would drop the type of $ the resale market is asking for even nosebleeds that’s pure insanity!
Tarp Off
Police Horse Ready
Lets Fucking Go!Let’s Go Blue Jays.
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I have to say, I’ve enjoyed watching that Jays run. Must be amazing for the long time fans.
easily the most enjoyable season of sports for me in the last 20 years
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I have to say, I’ve enjoyed watching that Jays run. Must be amazing for the long time fans.
Its been amazing, easily the most fun Ive had watching any Toronto sports steam since the Jays last run in 2015/16.
These Jays are everything leafs fans wish the leafs were.The raptors run was fun as well….but Im not a big fan of watching basketball.
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The jays started the season pretty Meh
26-28 record in 54 gamesThe remaining 108 they went 68-40 (.629)
The Dodgers went 60-48 (.555)Jays run diff in that 108 games +105
Dodgers run diff +78The Dodgers were heavy heavy favorites, I even read someone say this
It’s going to be a miracle to beat the Dodgers
Dodgers shouldn’t have much trouble at allWild..what a dummy
The numbers to me say its a pretty even matchup. no clear fav.
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A wildly entertaining World Series. Seems like every game, something is happening that is either record breaking or never happened before.
Game 7 should be amazingly entertaining. Each team has played “their game” at least once or twice and it all boils down to who can take control with everything on the line.
Going to be a great game to watch.
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Varsho is dead to me
Biggest choke ever
8-9 straight at bats with runners on base and no hits
Not even a sac flyHis glove was a little suspect too in some instances. There were some plays he usually makes that he didn’t.
Manager could have dropped him in the line-up and promoted Clement as he was the hitting machine on the team but wasn’t ever moved higher in the line-up.
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Not too many idiots saying “we don’t need you” to Ohtani anymore.
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Not too many idiots saying “we don’t need you” to Ohtani anymore.
They didnt need him.
They didnt lose because of him.Cope harder. They lost. He won. Obviously, they needed him.
Ohtani / Springer / Vlad / Bo / Lukes / Barger
Then he pitches at least 2 games.
Yeah, having the greatest player of this era and perhaps all-time wins them the World Series. You’d have to be completely retarded not to realize it.
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Ohtani started Game 7 and ultimately, the Dodgers won it, even if he didn’t play his best. The Dodgers also won his record breaking Game 3 performance, which, by itself, would have given the Jays the series in 5 games had it gone the other way.
Ohtani, Yesavage, Gausman, Scherzer / Bieber, Ohtani, Yesavage, Gausman.
Jays win Game 1, Game 3, Game 4 and Game 5 or 7. Yamamoto wins them Game 2 and Game 6 (if there even is one).
Ohtani / Springer / Vlad / Bo / Lukes / Kirk / Barger / Varsho / Gimenez
Lukes LF, Varsho CF, Springer RF/DH
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Not too many idiots saying “we don’t need you” to Ohtani anymore.
No different than booing great opposing players the way that guys like Judge get booed. Plus he’s like the hot girl who dumped you.
And no, the Dodgers didn’t win because of him. The Dodgers won because of a million little things and because they have amazing starting pitchers and an incredible lineup.
Ohtani didn’t beat them but the Jays would have won if they had him just like they would have won if they had Freeman or Smith or Yamamoto or Snell.
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No different than booing great opposing players the way that guys like Judge get booed. Plus he’s like the hot girl who dumped you.
And no, the Dodgers didn’t win because of him. The Dodgers won because of a million little things and because they have amazing starting pitchers and an incredible lineup.
Ohtani didn’t beat them but the Jays would have won if they had him just like they would have won if they had Freeman or Smith or Yamamoto or Snell.
Very different, those idiots saying that to Ohtani were very disrespectful of the best player in the game all because he decided (correctly) not to play in Toronto.
Ohtani didn’t beat the Jays in Game 3? Are you on crack?
The Jays didn’t have a chance at those other guys. They did have one at Ohtani. And they didn’t get him. And the idea that “we don’t need you” is retarded because they obviously did.
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Doesn’t matter how many times you post, or how many different things you find to argue about. You were way off on the Jays. Game 5 of ALCS at best. LOL
No matter how much you cope, the Jays weren’t good enough to get the job done which was ultimately correct.
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
the worst part is, its over and I have to think about the Leafs nowYes the lowly incel only comes on here to whine about everything…even things that dont exist. He loves to pile on the negativity, so he can get attention.
He’s a sad sad little boy.
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
the worst part is, its over and I have to think about the Leafs nowYes the lowly incel only comes on here to whine about everything…even things that dont exist. He loves to pile on the negativity, so he can get attention.
He’s a sad sad little boy.
Google “chronic complainers” lol
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
the worst part is, its over and I have to think about the Leafs nowYou don’t need an expert to realize the Jays were better off with Ohtani and that the statement “we don’t need you” is clearly a retarded one. But keep defending retarded shit, it’s clearly your MO.
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You don’t need an expert to realize the Jays were better off with Ohtani and that the statement “we don’t need you” is clearly a retarded one. But keep defending retarded shit, it’s clearly your MO.
I never said anything about the we dont need you shit. I dont give a fuck about that. its dumb.
The Jays were able to get to the world series and come within inches of winning. ill take it for what is it, a really fun season to watch. would have been great to add Ohtani, but they didnt and managed to do pretty wellyou love to hold up stupid straw man shit and rail on and on about it. always looking for enemies. sad
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
the worst part is, its over and I have to think about the Leafs nowNice move by Bieber. Interesting to see how aggressive Rogers gets this offseason
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Nice move by Bieber. Interesting to see how aggressive Rogers gets this offseason
that was unexpected, but a great start to the offseason. I guess it shows how close the team was, give it another try, why not.
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that was unexpected, but a great start to the offseason. I guess it shows how close the team was, give it another try, why not.
Curious on Bo, sounds like be wants to stay also. Move to 2b would be perfect.[/quote]I just dont want to overpay Bo too much, hes great when healthy most of the time…but hes often injured and is pretty meh on defense.
I hope they go after Tucker for the field, trade Santander, and get another quality starter and shut down closer.
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I just dont want to overpay Bo too much, hes great when healthy most of the time…but hes often injured and is pretty meh on defense.
I hope they go after Tucker for the field, trade Santander, and get another quality starter and shut down closer.
Keep bassitt as a 6th starter and RP.just pay Bo what hes worth, dont need to overpay. if he gets similar offers other places, he prob takes the jays offer to stay. and thats fine.
If hes willing to play 2b, help the team a lot, and it feels like everyone was buying in to that plan.Kyle tucker would be a massive get, but I dont see that.
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that was unexpected, but a great start to the offseason. I guess it shows how close the team was, give it another try, why not.
Curious on Bo, sounds like be wants to stay also. Move to 2b would be perfect.I just dont want to overpay Bo too much, hes great when healthy most of the time…but hes often injured and is pretty meh on defense.
I hope they go after Tucker for the field, trade Santander, and get another quality starter and shut down closer.
Keep bassitt as a 6th starter and RP.[/quote]Bo is likely to be in the $175-200 range. Add another bat to Bo, Vlad and Springer and you’ve got the start of a dominant batting order especially if Barger/Clement continue to develop. Rogers will want to build on what they got this year. “Overpaying” him by $10M or so is less of a problem than taking a step back especially given recent history of coming in second when going after big FA signings.
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seriously, this shit stain is in here now trying to find more people to argue with. I never saw him post once all season about the Jays, now hes here as some fucking expert.
But thats his schtick, not getting enough rage engagement elsewhere so has to expand and go find it.anyways, Great season from the Jays. I have no need to dissect every detail of what went wrong in gm7 or gm6.
the worst part is, its over and I have to think about the Leafs nowNice move by Bieber. Interesting to see how aggressive Rogers gets this offseason
Rogers better pony up the cash and make some huge splashes, cause you know the Dodgers are going to.
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Bo is likely to be in the $175-200 range. Add another bat to Bo, Vlad and Springer and you’ve got the start of a dominant batting order especially if Barger/Clement continue to develop. Rogers will want to build on what they got this year. “Overpaying” him by $10M or so is less of a problem than taking a step back especially given recent history of coming in second when going after big FA signings.
I don’t think that’s going to be a problem any more, at all. Not only did this team make it to the WS and have great vibes, Gaus has been gassing the city up for years now, and Max is now doing the same.
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Rogers better pony up the cash and make some huge splashes, cause you know the Dodgers are going to.
Considering they went to the World Series, players should be willing to sign for a chance to win and Rogers should be spending more because ultimately winning would boost their returns.
They just have to give these players the Vlad structured contract to avoid the retarded Canadian taxes.
Definitely need a better closer, a left handed staring pitcher would be nice, clear out the Santander types on the team, lock up Bo and add another power bat for good measure.
75-100 million extra payroll per season, they give themselves ample opportunities to return to the dance and get the job done this time.
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Just looking at the UFA list, there are some prime candidates the Jays should be targeting.
Top of the list, Framber Valdez. He’s from the DR so Vladdy could make some calls. Plan B could be Ranger Suarez. Andrés Giménez could make the calls.
For a closer, Robert Suarez is available. Another guy Andrés Giménez could help recruit.
Verlander is out there. Scherzer could obviously come back if he doesn’t retire. Same with Bassitt if he is okay with being a utility guy, part time starter, insurance policy. Could probably also move on from Berrios to open up pay roll for some of these guys.
Jorge Polanco, another DR guy, could provide the Jays with another power bat, switch hitter too, could probably play anywhere they need to fill gaps 2B/3B/SS. Helps make the Mariners weaker too.
Trent Grisham is an interesting name. He could play any OF position, has some power, bats left. Nice to pluck him away from another potential playoff foe, the Yankees, too.
If the Jays make a big splash and get aggressive, they could spend 100 million per year more and they could have a team that looks like this…
Re-sign Bichette 10 years, 230 million, 23 million AAV.
Re-sign Bassitt, 2 years, 32 million, 16 million AAV.
Re-sign Sherzer, 1 year, 15 million.Sign LHP – Valdez 6 years, 198 million, 33 million AAV or Ranger Suarez 6 years, 162 million, 27 million AAV.
Sign Closer – Robert Suarez, 2 years, 34 million, 17 million AAV.
Sign power infield switch hitter – Polanco, 4 years, 64 million, 16 million AAV.
Sign power outfield left bat – Grisham, 3 years, 36 million, 12 million AAV.This is going by Spotrac valuations. Some may be a bit high, some might be low. They should average out to about the same total but land somewhere in that range considering the Jays are “contenders”.
Trade: Berrios, Santander, Rodriguez, Garcia (clears roughly 40ish million). Could probably use those guys to bolster the bullpen and bring in some solid options on cheaper contracts.
That’s a net increase of 89-92 million dollars of pay roll. Call it an even 100 million if they bring in some cheaper bullpen arms or bench utility players in return for the players traded.
Increase the average ticket price by 25 dollars for 81 home games, that brings in an extra 85 million for 81 home games, just on tickets alone. Just imagine the extra money they’d make if they have another playoff run or win the World Series in the next 3 years.
That buys the Jays this type of roster.
1/2 – Gausman – Valdez or Ranger Suarez – Gives the Jays two proven aces, one righty and one lefty.
3/4 – Yesavage – Bieber – If Yesavage can handle a full season, great, if he can’t, still have Bieber who can be the #3 or #4 guy.
5 – Scherzer – Bassitt – Lauer – Bullpen game when required – Lots of versatility in this slot, could be situational.RP: Bassitt, Lauer, Fluharty, Varland, Hoffman (should not be closer, could maybe be a set-up guy or trade him entirely)
Closer: Robert SuarezOF – LF: Grisham CF: Varsho RF: Barger – Springer
IF – 3B: Polanco SS: Gimenez 2B: Bichette 1B: Vlad – Clement
C: Kirk
DH: SpringerBench: Clement (platoons the infield), Lukes, Straw, Heineman, Schneider, Speedy McSliderson (a new speedy pair of legs that knows how to actually slide head first into home plate).
1. Bichette (R) 2. Grisham (L) 3. Vlad (R) 4. Springer (R) 5. Polanco (S) 6. Kirk (R) 7. Barger (L) 8. Varsho (R) 9. Gimenez (L)
That’s a significantly improved version of what the Jays already went to extra innings, Game 7 with vs. the Dodgers. The Dodgers will make additions, the Jays can’t stand pat.
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Dream on loser and bad choices
Come up with something better dipshit.
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Dream on loser and bad choices
Come up with something better dipshit.
Oh in the fantasy world that you live in where making moves are so easy. I mean hell the GMs never think about your ideas. But if we are playing MLB the Show.
Trade for Skubal. Rumors are he is available.
Sign Edwin Diaz and AJ Puk (lefty)
May as well get Tucker and re-sign BoTrade for a couple of all stars at the deadline.
I know I know…. unpossible, only your dreams make sense. PS Grisham is a terrible gamble.
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I’d say the idea of signing free agents (especially the ones who have direct ties to current Jays through international play) is a lot less of a fantasy than pulling trades for Skubal and other all-stars.
Spending 100 million extra on pay roll might indeed be the fantasy but the entire run last year was a fantasy so why shouldn’t Rogers indulge their fans with a big investment if they were that close to winning it all? Expecting to win a World Series by running it back with the exact same team, while the Dodgers and other contenders will continue to load up, is the fantasy.
Edwin Diaz and AJ Puk are reasonable suggestions, I just don’t see them as connected or as effective as other options.
Kyle Tucker, because he is the #1 prize and is as great as he is, is going to cost the Jays between 45-60 million a season to sign. He’s a great player. But he’s far away from what the Jays need to improve upon. They already had the #1 offense in the MLB. Signing some reinforcements to protect from regression makes a lot more sense than trying to sign a guy who would be making even more money than Vlad.
Trent Grisham is a gamble, yes and I’d be open to signing any other power hitting left bat out there with this toolbox, but there aren’t that many available. I’d sign Kyle Schwarber but he’s going to cost twice as much and is in the same price zone as Tucker. Do the Jays really need him? It’d be nice but the payroll isn’t unlimited. Some type of cost analysis still needs to be considered.
If maintaining his career high season is the question mark, the Jays coaches have taken literal minor leaguers and made them contributors. Part of that is they caught lightning in a bottle and a bit of luck but if those coaches can stabilize Grisham, you’d be taking a reasonable gamble if his salary comes within a reasonable range.
The Jays could manage with or without Grisham. It’d be a potential upgrade to the ranks. What they definitely need is to retain their core pieces and add an ace lefty and a surefire closer. After that, the rest would be welcomed gravy.
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Would you rather
Kyle tucker 8x35m – 280
Bo bichette 7x27m – 189Tucker
31 hr
103 rbi
140 ops+
273/377/464
5.8 warBo
24hr
95 rbi
121 ops+
294/357/483
4.5 warhttps://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/available/_/year/2026
Spotrac has Tucker at 40 million a season and Bo at 23 million. Schwarber at 25 million is more comparable for price.
If that’s the case, I’d rather take Bo and Schwarber for 8 million more than one Tucker.
Players have also been getting 10+ year deals lately, so less than 10 years seems less likely.
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Would you rather
Kyle tucker 8x35m – 280
Bo bichette 7x27m – 189Tucker
31 hr
103 rbi
140 ops+
273/377/464
5.8 warBo
24hr
95 rbi
121 ops+
294/357/483
4.5 warI could tucker getting 10 years but I dont see Bo getting 10. I think 7 x 27m is pretty accurate.
Bo’s fielding is pretty average and the Jays could easily replace it.
I think its either tucker or Bo plus a quality SP and Bassitt as RP
Maybe the jays sign a cheap bat as well.
Id be fine with signing Tucker and trading for ketel marte depending on cost.I just dont ever want to see Santander play the field again.
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I could tucker getting 10 years but I dont see Bo getting 10. I think 7 x 27m is pretty accurate.
Bo’s fielding is pretty average and the Jays could easily replace it.
I think its either tucker or Bo plus a quality SP and Bassitt as RP
Maybe the jays sign a cheap bat as well.
Id be fine with signing Tucker and trading for ketel marte depending on cost.I just dont ever want to see Santander play the field again.
Santander should bounce back, the thing with him is hes a free 30hr bat they didnt even need to get to the WS. him in the field is tough to watch, but we have been spoiled with the Jays great D.
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Jays sign Dylan Cease to a 7 year $210 deal.
A little high, but hes a good top end pitcher.It’s indeed high. He’s a great pitcher but another right hand. Would prefer they spent the money on a LHP. But if the Jays are going to spend money, great, just keep adding arms and weapons.
Still need a LHP and a closer. Trade Berrios to clear some salary.
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i dont care about 3 years or 10 mil, his stats from 5 years ago dont matter. also never use ERA
Ponce’s massive uptick in stuff is what really got him paid (up nearly 3 ticks to 95.5 MPH average last year), but the command really stands out too. He had a strike rate of 66% or above across all four of his offerings last season
I’m a bit surprised Ponce got 3 years, but I think his kick-change is legit + velo is way up from 2021.
Fun signing for the Blue Jays (who now have a bunch of rotation options).
Cody Ponce (signed by TOR) dominated KBO this season, posting a 30.3 K-BB% across 180.2 IP and winning the triple crown. Since his last MLB outing (PIT, 2021), he has seen a +2 MPH uptick on his fastball and transformed his changeup into an elite offering
Cody Ponce’s 2025 season in the KBO was historically great:
17-1
180.2 IP
1.89 ERA
2.15 FIP
252 K’s
0.94 WHIP
Triple Crown
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good article on Cease
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6855670/2025/12/03/blue-jays-dylan-cease-contract-analysis/
In the end, though, Cease got the deal because the predictive metrics all say he’ll be good, and because he’s been healthy and shown the ability to pitch innings. If he figures out the splitter and becomes more consistent year to year, the Blue Jays might even get a bargain, but the projections bake in all those fluctuations and say it’s a market-rate deal for a top-rate arm.
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i dont care about 3 years or 10 mil, his stats from 5 years ago dont matter. also never use ERA
Ponce’s massive uptick in stuff is what really got him paid (up nearly 3 ticks to 95.5 MPH average last year), but the command really stands out too. He had a strike rate of 66% or above across all four of his offerings last season
I’m a bit surprised Ponce got 3 years, but I think his kick-change is legit + velo is way up from 2021.
Fun signing for the Blue Jays (who now have a bunch of rotation options).
Cody Ponce (signed by TOR) dominated KBO this season, posting a 30.3 K-BB% across 180.2 IP and winning the triple crown. Since his last MLB outing (PIT, 2021), he has seen a +2 MPH uptick on his fastball and transformed his changeup into an elite offering
Cody Ponce’s 2025 season in the KBO was historically great:
17-1
180.2 IP
1.89 ERA
2.15 FIP
252 K’s
0.94 WHIP
Triple Crown
MVPI believe in Pete Walker, he’ll get these guys to produce. Still hoping they manage to keep Bassitt as a long reliever option, with the possibility of filling in if there’s injuries in the rotation. Can’t imagine Berrios is long for this team.
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i dont care about 3 years or 10 mil, his stats from 5 years ago dont matter. also never use ERA
Ponce’s massive uptick in stuff is what really got him paid (up nearly 3 ticks to 95.5 MPH average last year), but the command really stands out too. He had a strike rate of 66% or above across all four of his offerings last season
I’m a bit surprised Ponce got 3 years, but I think his kick-change is legit + velo is way up from 2021.
Fun signing for the Blue Jays (who now have a bunch of rotation options).
Cody Ponce (signed by TOR) dominated KBO this season, posting a 30.3 K-BB% across 180.2 IP and winning the triple crown. Since his last MLB outing (PIT, 2021), he has seen a +2 MPH uptick on his fastball and transformed his changeup into an elite offering
Cody Ponce’s 2025 season in the KBO was historically great:
17-1
180.2 IP
1.89 ERA
2.15 FIP
252 K’s
0.94 WHIP
Triple Crown
MVPKorea is not the MLB. It’s not even Japan. It’s probably not even AAA. It’s a bit of a risky move but if the Jays don’t care about spending money anymore it’s a decent risk to take.
Berries is on the block so that will clear some salary space.
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Korea is not the MLB. It’s not even Japan. It’s probably not even AAA. It’s a bit of a risky move but if the Jays don’t care about spending money anymore it’s a decent risk to take.
Berries is on the block so that will clear some salary space.
but the velo, spin rate, movement, pitches etc everything thats measured applies to MLB.
nobody expects him to put up the same numbers, MLB hitters are better. but you can still predict based on his pitches tracked in Korea
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I believe in Pete Walker, he’ll get these guys to produce. Still hoping they manage to keep Bassitt as a long reliever option, with the possibility of filling in if there’s injuries in the rotation. Can’t imagine Berrios is long for this team
Would be nice to see Bassitt and Scherzer return but it depends if they want to be starters or are okay with being relievers. Or a hybrid.
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No to Tucker and Bregman
In Popkins and Walker we trust 💙
yes to Tucker, why wouldnt you want a 5 win player.
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No to Tucker and Bregman
In Popkins and Walker we trust 💙
Yes to tucker for the right price, but not at the expense of Bo (unless they get Marte). Tucker has a 4.5 WAR, jays need quality OF.
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Tucker is good, not great
We already have 7/8 outfielders
40m for him is ridiculous
I would take Bo and a closer for that 💰Tucker is a significant upgrade on any OF the Jays have.
Tucker is basically Vlad statistically with the Bat, actually slightly better
Career
Tucker – Vlad
ops 865 v 861
ops+ 140 v 136
slg 507 v 495
hr/162 31 v 30its wild how close they are career wise.
but Tucker is 5.8 War/162 vs vlad 4.3He would pretty much be the Jays best player
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Tucker is good, not great
We already have 7/8 outfielders
40m for him is ridiculous
I would take Bo and a closer for that 💰Speaking of closers, Edwin Diaz is headed to… you guessed it… The fucking Dodgers.
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No to Tucker and Bregman
In Popkins and Walker we trust 💙
Yes to tucker for the right price, but not at the expense of Bo (unless they get Marte). Tucker has a 4.5 WAR, jays need quality OF.
Sliding that left handed bat between Springer and Vlad would be pretty sweet. Love Bo but I think if they can only do one, Tucker is a better fit. Tucker replaces Lukes and Clement goes to 2nd with Bam Bam at 3rd. Defensively, it’s not close between Bo and Tucker.
So, get both
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Sliding that left handed bat between Springer and Vlad would be pretty sweet. Love Bo but I think if they can only do one, Tucker is a better fit. Tucker replaces Lukes and Clement goes to 2nd with Bam Bam at 3rd. Defensively, it’s not close between Bo and Tucker.
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Jays doing fuck all to address the closer situation. Probably should get on that before all the best options are gone.
Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
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Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
Not really though.
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Passing on a 3 year, $69M deal for Diaz isn’t doing fuck all. They’re plenty of good options available
Not really though.
lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
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lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
Pot meet kettle. You’re wrong, as usual putz. And I am very often correct, much more than you that is for certain. The only thing you do correctly is suck off the government dick.
The Jays have a great opportunity to go back to the World Series. The Jays need to address the closing position and the best options have started to disappear to their direct competition. So what if they’re expensive to sign? There should be no more pinching pennies. The Dodgers aren’t going to avoid spending money. Moneyball is not the game to play now.
That’s not to say they can’t pull something off but their options are dwindling by the day. They need to continue to be aggressive.
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lol. Not knowing shit has never stopped you from having such strongly held opinions. It just stops you from ever being right.
Pot meet kettle. You’re wrong, as usual putz. And I am very often correct, much more than you that is for certain. The only thing you do correctly is suck off the government dick.
The Jays have a great opportunity to go back to the World Series. The Jays need to address the closing position and the best options have started to disappear to their direct competition. So what if they’re expensive to sign? There should be no more pinching pennies. The Dodgers aren’t going to avoid spending money. Moneyball is not the game to play now.
That’s not to say they can’t pull something off but their options are dwindling by the day. They need to continue to be aggressive.
Moneyball? Nobody’s been more aggressive than the Jays so far and they’re far from done. They’re plenty of good relievers left and paying Diaz that kind of money would make getting Bo and/or Tucker that much more difficult. Unlike the last couple of years, they’re actually the favourites to get the big guns. Even the Dodgers have limits on their spending. They’re apparently interested in Tucker but not willing to go more than 3 years. Advantage Jays.
Some of these signings are going to take a while and outcomes are far from certain. But the Jays have made good moves so far and are likely to make more.
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Moneyball? Nobody’s been more aggressive than the Jays so far and they’re far from done. They’re plenty of good relievers left and paying Diaz that kind of money would make getting Bo and/or Tucker that much more difficult. Unlike the last couple of years, they’re actually the favourites to get the big guns. Even the Dodgers have limits on their spending. They’re apparently interested in Tucker but not willing to go more than 3 years. Advantage Jays.
Some of these signings are going to take a while and outcomes are far from certain. But the Jays have made good moves so far and are likely to make more.
The Jays don’t need relievers. They need an elite, guaranteed closer. Those are two, very different things. At least two have signed and they weren’t with the Jays. One of them was with the Dodgers. They already beat the Jays without a closer. Advantage, still Dodgers.
The Dodgers don’t need Tucker. They could run back the same team and still win the World Series. The Jays still haven’t secured the players that got them to the big stage. That’s a problem.
The Jays should be investing at least 80-100 million in their roster. Yes, they got another RHP starter. Great, but they didn’t need Cease. They had good starting pitching. The problem was the bullpen. Where is the LHP? Where is the closer? Where is the extension for Bo? The cost of an elite closer should not matter. It was literally the difference between winning and not winning a World Series and their #1 priority.
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jfc, ranty mcangry is now flooding my Jays thread. great
The Jays 100% needed a starter, its not just about 1 season. Cease is projected to be their best Starter but a decent margin.
its December, calm the fuck down. There is a ton of time between now and September.Oh it’s YOUR thread. LOL.
It’s nice they added a strong starter but it wasn’t a priority. I would have preferred a lefty because the Jays rotation doesn’t have one and that’s probably going to become a problem but Cease is a great pitcher. But looking at their run, the starting pitching wasn’t the #1 priority. I don’t have a problem with signing Cease but I do have a problem with it if the Jays spend big money on something that is not their #1 priority while their best options for their #1 priority fall off the board. They probably should have signed an elite closer first and Cease 2nd. Or 3rd, after retaining the key pieces that got them to the dance in the first place.
Diaz, Williams, Suarez, Helsley, Pagan and Finnegan, all off the board. Who can the Jays say is an elite closer still available to sign that they can plug into the 9th inning of a World Series game, with a lead, and confidently say, this game is over? Remember, the goal is to get somebody BETTER than Hoffman and it looks like most of those guys if not all of them are already gone and one of them went to the Dodgers, who already beat the Jays without a closer. Imagine now.
They need to trade Berrios ASAP, get an elite closer, a LHP starter, find a way to convince Bassit and Scherzer to run it back as role players and lock in Bo (or effectively replace him). This is like all the years the Leafs did fuck all on July 1st and hearing people say “it’s still only July 12th” and then watching them fall off a cliff.
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I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
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I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Great interview with Ponce. Talks about what a God Ryu is in Korea. His story of the game where he beat Ryu’s strikeout record is very cool. Would love to see this guy succeed here.
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Trade bait:
Loperfido
Schneider
Straw
Lukes
Santander
Berrios
Little
Bruihl
NanceSantander won’t bring much. I’d rather see if he can turn things around. The other OF’ers probably depend on whether they sign someone (Tucker/Belinger). If they get Tucker, they could move Lukes. If not I’d like to keep a leftie bat.
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Yeah, I hear ya
Santander should backup Vladdy at 1st
I would like to see Clase replace StrawAlso, Schreck cometh 🔜
Pinango?Might be a good time to sell high on Lukes
His arm is a total muffin
Varsho choked worse than any Leaf 🤬Holy fuck, he was INCREDIBLE in the outfield. But EVERY time he came up to bat, I was thinking “PLEASE just hit a single.”
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Rogers and Lee
You know who walked a lot of batters last year? Jays relievers. You know who doesn’t walk guys? Rogers and Lee.
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I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
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I started it, its my thread
A top end starter was 100% a need. Gausman and Bieber are UFA after 2026, and you cant wait and see who might be available next year, if you dont have those 2 and Berrios turning into a pumpkin. it doesnt look great.
Great move to jump the market and get a top end starter for many yearsThey dont need to trade Berrios ASAP, they can and might but no rush.
I dont see Bassit coming back to be a bit role player, he will get 2-3 year offers, hes a dog and teams will love him.
my concern level is almost zero
Worrying about what comes after 2026 is pretty irrelevant compared to the opportunity the Jays have before them. They should be all-in in making 2026 the year they return to the World Series. What happens after that can be dealt with when the time comes.
This is less to shit on Cease, who is a great pitcher and signing but it was not the fatal flaw that cost the Jays a World Series.
Now, the Jays have signed another reliever who is not a closer, Tyler Rogers, like they did with Ponce, instead of just ponying up the money to sign an elite closer with Sportsnet saying they won’t be looking at pitchers anymore and are focusing on position players. That’ll be a big mistake if they put themselves in a position where they bring back Hoffman to be the closer or just sign another Hoffman to make the same mistakes again.
Your concern should be a lot higher than zero because these moves could be the difference between holding a lead in the 9th inning of Game 7 and losing another World Series.
Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
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Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Closer by committee is retarded. They need an elite closer, end of story.
They can have every leverage setup they want but the final out of Game 7 in the World Series calls for an elite closer and the Jays don’t have one yet. Even the Dodgers, who won, realized that having to use Yamamoto on 0 days rest was not something they wanted to do again. That’s the team they have to beat.
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Who says Hoffman is the closer or that the Jays even go with a single, predetermined closer? More teams are going with a committee of trusted high leverage who go in where the matchups are most advantageous. That sure seems to be the way they’re putting together their bullpen – hardthrowers, funky delivery, play around the edges types. Remember, Rogers doesn’t give up HRs. He induces soft contact which works well with a good defensive team.
Closer by committee is retarded. They need an elite closer, end of story.
They can have every leverage setup they want but the final out of Game 7 in the World Series calls for an elite closer and the Jays don’t have one yet. Even the Dodgers, who won, realized that having to use Yamamoto on 0 days rest was not something they wanted to do again. That’s the team they have to beat.
yeah, it’s not end of story. Having an elite closer is obviously better if there are no other considerations. But there are other considerations, like having a budget. At the start of the offseason, Jays needed to address pitching – starting and relievers – and add at least one bat. Going into next season with the same lineup except no Bo was not an option.
Adding Diaz $69M along with Cease and others might have priced them out of Tucker/Bo. He was never really an option. They were in on Suarez but were outbid. I’d rather have Rogers and go with using your top leverage guys based on best matchups than lose out on adding a serious bat or two.
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What a fun add Rogers is. Cimber was also a fun pitcher to watch.
Not a big SO pitcher, but gets outs. behind a strong defensive team will be a good one.
Tyler Rogers has been in 158 games the last two seasons and given up a total of 11 non-intentional walks.my concern level is even lower now.
its dec 15th. Jays have knocked off a good chunk of their needs.
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Miller time 👍💙
how bout
Jays get Mason Miller
SD gets Teidman, Lauer, Bowden Francis, Arjun Nimala
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King/Stanifer for Tiedeman👍
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Pass on tucker if he wants $418 over 11.
Sign Bo 5years – $150m
Sign Bellinger 5 years – $150m
Grab another relievergive me tucker, I dont care about the number
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Not if it means losing Bo and not signing another bat/reliever.
Apparently the Jays have just over $600m to spend, half has already been spent.
Bo, Bellinger, reliever better than tucker imo.Unless its Tucker and Bo….well then go with that.
Tucker is the best player available, if you can get him..do it.
the reliever can be figured out after, make a trade (Miller!), but also a lot can happen with relievers over 162 games, its easier to trade for them. there are always elite closers available at the deadline.
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Pass on tucker if he wants $418 over 11.
Sign Bo 5years – $150m
Sign Bellinger 5 years – $150m
Grab another relieverHe may want that kind of $ but there’s a lot of talk that his market isn’t as strong as was assumed. My guess is that both Tucker and Bo have indicated that they’ll check back in with the Jays before signing anything. I’m not sure that the team has a specific budget right now but will have to go to Rogers if they get something with one or both lined up. I’m sure the bean counters have a pretty good idea of what having a contending means both for team and media revenues. Also, a lot of $ (and talent come off the books next year. Not a bad idea to collect new talent when the team is attractive to FAs.
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Kyle Sucker
Cody SmellingerHard pass
Run it back baby!
Would rather see them win
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Jays do another thing! Okamoto
Probably takes them out of resigning Bo and maybe signing tucker.
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Probably takes them out of resigning Bo and maybe signing tucker.
I think it reduces the chances a little on Bo, but I guess have to make the moves when they present themselves.
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I think it reduces the chances a little on Bo, but I guess have to make the moves when they present themselves.
projects around 2.5 war, 22-27 hr. .800 ops. solid bat addition[/quote]Due to this being the 2nd year the Jays have gone over the luxury tax, they will be charged an additional 30% on top of their current $279m payroll.
If they add Bo or tucker, they will be charge another 60% on top of the 30% because they will exceed the threshold by $60m.This years Jays team could cost over $500m.
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Due to this being the 2nd year the Jays have gone over the luxury tax, they will be charged an additional 30% on top of their current $279m payroll.
If they add Bo or tucker, they will be charge another 60% on top of the 30% because they will exceed the threshold by $60m.This years Jays team could cost over $500m.
Something will have to give.
Berrios is out the door?They have to get rid of Santander and Berrios, that clears a lot of space to sign somebody more useful.
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Due to this being the 2nd year the Jays have gone over the luxury tax, they will be charged an additional 30% on top of their current $279m payroll.
If they add Bo or tucker, they will be charge another 60% on top of the 30% because they will exceed the threshold by $60m.This years Jays team could cost over $500m.
Something will have to give.
Berrios is out the door?yeah, right now to sign someone like Bo or Tucker it 90% tax
Tucker is a better positional fit at this point. But they would need some moves
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Do the Jays have an elite closer that they can rely on to win Game 7 of the World Series with a 1 run lead in the 9th inning vs the 9th batter yet?
No?
Fantastic.
only 7 months to figure it out. panic!
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Do the Jays have an elite closer that they can rely on to win Game 7 of the World Series with a 1 run lead in the 9th inning vs the 9th batter yet?
No?
Fantastic.
only 7 months to figure it out. panic!
In fairness, the Dodgers didn’t have that either, and they just won the world series back to back. We’ll be fine. Let Ross cook.
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In fairness, the Dodgers didn’t have that either, and they just won the world series back to back. We’ll be fine. Let Ross cook.
Ya I’m sure the Jays can trot out another Yamamoto on 0 days rest after 90+ pitches and get a close too, right?
Dodgers didn’t have it and still spent good money to lock one up. They’re actually thinking ahead.
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In fairness, the Dodgers didn’t have that either, and they just won the world series back to back. We’ll be fine. Let Ross cook.[/quote]
Ya the Jays were inches away from winning the World Series (heck one bad call away) all without their best hitter for 95% of the playoffs… but yet its time to panic, end of the world blah blah blah.
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Things are quiet atm in Jays Land, but reading about how the Red sox top target was Cease and how Bregman called thier buff and signed with the cubs is good off season stuff.
my gut feeling meters for Bo/Tucker going to the Jays
Tucker 50%
Bo 20%Bo isnt worth $300m…specially as he will be a 2nd basement within a year.
Tucker; if he signs with the Jays it will be for too long and too much.
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Things are quiet atm in Jays Land, but reading about how the Red sox top target was Cease and how Bregman called thier buff and signed with the cubs is good off season stuff.
my gut feeling meters for Bo/Tucker going to the Jays
Tucker 50%
Bo 20%Bo isnt worth $300m…specially as he will be a 2nd basement within a year.
Tucker; if he signs with the Jays it will be for too long and too much.
If he signs with the dodgers or mets, it will be short term but a higher aav with opt outs.I think the Jays miss out on both.
and maybe overpay for bellinger.Bo is drawing his line in the sand at 300 million because Vlad got 500 million. If he signs for 300 million over 12-15 years, it could be manageable. Spotrac has his value at 23 million per year so it’s not that far off but maybe they can talk him down a bit because they were so close to winning and how many friends he has on the team.
Tucker might be worth it on a short term deal that pays him big upfront while the Jays window is wide open. Spotrac has him at 39 million per year. If the Jays are willing to spend 39 more million, they might be better off with multiple players than just Tucker, especially because they still need a starting LHP and an elite closer.
If they can move Hoffman, Santander and Berrios for only prospects, that clears a lot of salary, about 35.5 million. I’d rather have Bo (plus another player) or Tucker for that 35.5 million than Santander, Berrios and Hoffman.
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I dont know that you could get anything at the moment for Santander or Berrios, and there is no point trading Hoffman and creating another hole you need to fill.
SS Xander Bogaerts signed for 1 years and 280m, and that hasnt worked out great.
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I dont know that you could get anything at the moment for Santander or Berrios, and there is no point trading Hoffman and creating another hole you need to fill.
SS Xander Bogaerts signed for 11 years and 280m, and that hasnt worked out great.
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I dont know that you could get anything at the moment for Santander or Berrios, and there is no point trading Hoffman and creating another hole you need to fill.
SS Xander Bogaerts signed for 11 years and 280m, and that hasnt worked out great.
I just think now that they signed Okamoto, Bo is a tougher fit than TuckerYou don’t have to “get” anything for them, you just have to clear their salary for prospects and picks and spend the money on better players.
Hoffman needs to be replaced regardless. He’s not good enough. I’d rather replace him now, you would rather replace him later. Either way, he can’t be the closer anymore. He already cost us one World Series, they should not put him in a situation to cost us another.
Bo looks closer to signing with Philadelphia which means an offer to Tucker is around 40-50 million per year to compete with the offer that the Mets gave him.
By clearing 35 million in salary, the Jays can be more competitive with making that offer. Or, they can solidify the team in other ways.
Framber Valdez is still out there to be signed. Even Nestor Cortes as a distant Plan B now that Ranger Suarez has gone to the BoSox, would be good to add along with bringing back either Scherzer or Bassitt as insurance for Yesavage if he has rookie troubles. I’d rather spend 35 million on a starting LHP (or pitching depth) than on Santander and Berrios if they can’t reel in Tucker or re-sign Bo.
Imagine this rotation:
Cease, Valdez, Gausman, Bieber and Yesavage with Scherzer or Bassitt alternating with Yesavage or as the 6th man and bullpen.
Ponce, Rogers, Lauer, Fluharty, Varland and Hoffman also in the bullpen plus adding a real closer (maybe you can find a way to get one for Santander and/or Berrios).
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I dont know that you could get anything at the moment for Santander or Berrios, and there is no point trading Hoffman and creating another hole you need to fill.
SS Xander Bogaerts signed for 11 years and 280m, and that hasnt worked out great.
I just think now that they signed Okamoto, Bo is a tougher fit than TuckerYou don’t have to “get” anything for them, you just have to clear their salary for prospects and picks and spend the money on better players.
Hoffman needs to be replaced regardless. He’s not good enough. I’d rather replace him now, you would rather replace him later. Either way, he can’t be the closer anymore. He already cost us one World Series, they should not put him in a situation to cost us another.
Bo looks closer to signing with Philadelphia which means an offer to Tucker is around 40-50 million per year to compete with the offer that the Mets gave him.
By clearing 35 million in salary, the Jays can be more competitive with making that offer. Or, they can solidify the team in other ways.
Framber Valdez is still out there to be signed. Even Nestor Cortes as a distant Plan B now that Ranger Suarez has gone to the BoSox, would be good to add along with bringing back either Scherzer or Bassitt as insurance for Yesavage if he has rookie troubles. I’d rather spend 35 million on a starting LHP (or pitching depth) than on Santander and Berrios if they can’t reel in Tucker or re-sign Bo.
Imagine this rotation:
Cease, Valdez, Gausman, Bieber and Yesavage with Scherzer or Bassitt alternating with Yesavage or as the 6th man and bullpen.
Ponce, Rogers, Lauer, Fluharty, Varland and Hoffman also in the bullpen plus adding a real closer (maybe you can find a way to get one for Santander and/or Berrios).
Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
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Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
right on Santander and Berrios, you clear space but you pay just as much for a team to take them.
the Mets 50m offer really doesnt mean a lot unless you know the details, deferrals and opt outs.Would I want the Jays to go 10 years on Tucker? yes, I dont care. I just want to see them win a WS
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Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
Nah, they wouldn’t. Both are serviceable players and there are plenty of teams out there that can’t reel in UFAs who could take them to fill out their roster.
Santander has hit 40 home runs and 100 RBI just a year ago as a switch hitter. He’s getting pushed out of his spot to bring in Tucker otherwise he’d be in the line-up with the hope he can bring power. Somebody would roll the dice on him.
Berrios is still a starter too, easily 10-15 wins with 120+ strikeouts. Again, he’s getting pushed out of the line-up because they’re making upgrades, not because he’s terrible.
Both players can be moved rather easily. It’s not like they’re both trash players with 40 million per year left on their deals.
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Jays would have to eat a big chunk of salary to move Santander or Berrios which kind of defeats the purpose.
Passan reporting that Jays willing to go to 10 years for Tucker. Gonna come down to whether he wants to lock in or roll the dice on a shorter term deal. I don’t think any insider has the answer to that. Hope is that he dislikes the FA experience and just wants to decide where he’s going to ride out his career.
right on Santander and Berrios, you clear space but you pay just as much for a team to take them.
the Mets 50m offer really doesnt mean a lot unless you know the details, deferrals and opt outs.Would I want the Jays to go 10 years on Tucker? yes, I dont care. I just want to see them win a WS
Rogers seems to have made a business decision that turning Jays into a powerhouse makes sense. I’ve read that they plan to merge Jays with MLSE and then sell off some minority positions in the new entity. 2025 Blue Jays willing generate much more value from those sales than 2024 Jays. Management believes long term Tucker helps with that.
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Neither Bo n’or tucker are worth the money.
See ya later and good riddance.So if Bo doesn’t hit that home run in Game 7, the Jays have no chance to win that game. Losing him and not replacing him makes the Jays worse.
But then, to make it worse, Tucker, who is even better than Bo, joins the team that is already better than the Jays and stole away the guy pegged to replace Bo’s bat.
Not only did the Jays get worse, the Dodgers got significantly better when they were already the better team that won the World Series just like when they signed and elite closer and the Jays did not.
“Worth the money” means doing whatever it takes to beat the Dodgers and the Jays “overpaying” would have been worth the money to remain competitive. What happened today makes the Jays significantly less competitive to win the World Series. They could still be a great team, still go back to the World Series but the Dodgers would still beat them in the end.
Winning the World Series is “worth the money”. This is as retarded as Jays fans thinking they didn’t need Ohtani. They obviously did and still do.
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Neither Bo n’or tucker are worth the money.
See ya later and good riddance.So if Bo doesn’t hit that home run in Game 7, the Jays have no chance to win that game. Losing him and not replacing him makes the Jays worse.
But then, to make it worse, Tucker, who is even better than Bo, joins the team that is already better than the Jays and stole away the guy pegged to replace Bo’s bat.
Not only did the Jays get worse, the Dodgers got significantly better when they were already the better team that won the World Series just like when they signed and elite closer and the Jays did not.
“Worth the money” means doing whatever it takes to beat the Dodgers and the Jays “overpaying” would have been worth the money to remain competitive. What happened today makes the Jays significantly less competitive to win the World Series. They could still be a great team, still go back to the World Series but the Dodgers would still beat them in the end.
Winning the World Series is “worth the money”. This is as retarded as Jays fans thinking they didn’t need Ohtani. They obviously did and still do.
Jays are a better team than when they started last season. Gausman, Cease, Bieber, Yesavage, Ponce is a significant upgrade over Gausman, Scherzer, Bassitt, Berrios and Francis. Bullpen is much better.
Jays were ranked 22nd going into last season. They upgraded during the season. They’re top 5 now and they’ll upgrade during this season. They need a bat and potentially a closer depending on how bullpen plays out until the deadline.
With Tucker Dodgers are on a different level but paying $60M with opt outs after years 2 and 3 makes no sense for the Blue Jays. He’s not worth anything close to that (Judge is $40, Soto is $51). They need someone who’s going to be around for a while.
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Jays are better than they started last year but not better than the Dodgers. And that’s what actually matters.
Yesavage is still a rookie, he’s an unknown until he plays an entire season and hitters learn more about him. So to call him an improvement over Scherzer is a leap taken by a Homer. They should bring back Scherzer or Bassitt as insurance for this very reason.
Ponce hasn’t pitched in the MLB in a very long time. There’s no guarantee he’s any better than Scherzer, Bassitt or even a quality starting pitcher in the MLB either.
A full season of Bieber and Cease will make a difference but not having an elite closer will hurt them when it matters most. Also, no starting LHP which is a problem.
The Jays offense is not better without one of the best hitters in the MLB. Losing Bo is a big blow to the offense. And the Jays had a lot of guys play above their head last year. Replication of that is very difficult without any significant replacements.
The Jays are still a good team but they couldn’t beat the Dodgers before, they won’t be able to beat them now either. They lost the offseason arms race. The goal is to win the World Series. The Jays might still be better than everyone else but they’ll still be 2nd place to the Dodgers. That’s the issue.
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the Jays signed Okamoto who projects to have pretty much the same value as Bo. for 1/3 the price. They are projected as the #2 team.
No team was going to out spend the Dodgers, Word is Jays offered 350m/10 for Tucker, took their shot.the Jays have to worry about the Dodgers only if both make it back to the world Series, which is extremely unlikely, also its January. a ton happens between now and October.
What the teams are at the moment is now that you will have 6 months from now.Its should be another fun season
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the Jays signed Okamoto who projects to have pretty much the same value as Bo. for 1/3 the price. They are projected as the #2 team.
No team was going to out spend the Dodgers, Word is Jays offered 350m/10 for Tucker, took their shot.the Jays have to worry about the Dodgers only if both make it back to the world Series, which is extremely unlikely, also its January. a ton happens between now and October.
What the teams are at the moment is now that you will have 6 months from now.Its should be another fun season
Okamoto projects to be the AL hits leader as a rookie? I doubt it. I’m glad they finally signed a Japanese prospect but he’s unknown until he proves otherwise which is a gamble to rely on him to replace a proven star player.
Why not offer that deal to Bichette? I don’t blame them for not getting Tucker, I wouldn’t take 10 years in Toronto either but Bichette they could have locked in with that same offer. He wanted 300 million and that’s how they could have kept him.
Is it as unlikely as the Panthers and the Oilers meeting in the Final two years in a row? If the Jays run into them again, it’s another loss and that’s what they needed to prepare for. If they are built to beat the Dodgers, they can beat anybody. But now, there’s serious doubt.
A lot can still change but most of their best options have disappeared. The Jays are going to need a lot of guys to play above their ahead again. That’s the part that is unlikely.
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the Jays signed Okamoto who projects to have pretty much the same value as Bo. for 1/3 the price. They are projected as the #2 team.
No team was going to out spend the Dodgers, Word is Jays offered 350m/10 for Tucker, took their shot.the Jays have to worry about the Dodgers only if both make it back to the world Series, which is extremely unlikely, also its January. a ton happens between now and October.
What the teams are at the moment is now that you will have 6 months from now.Its should be another fun season
No its January 20th, we have to whine that the Jays didnt want to pay ridiculous prices for players who arent worth the money.
Good off season so far for the Jays, most active of any team.
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No its January 20th, we have to whine that the Jays didnt want to pay ridiculous prices for players who arent worth the money.
Good off season so far for the Jays, most active of any team.
Still need another batAgain, “ridiculous prices” and “worth the money” is whatever it takes to compete with the Dodgers.
I’ll make this as simple as possible for your retarded brain.
Dodgers beat the Jays in the World Series. Dodgers got better. Jays got worse. Dodgers win World Series rematch. Jays lose again.
If the Jays want to win the World Series and take full advantage of their current opportunity, that requires spending “ridiculous” money because if they win, it will always be “worth it”.
Or, do what Toronto loves to do best, come in 2nd place and pretend they don’t need Ohtani or any of the best players.
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Okamoto projects to be the AL hits leader as a rookie
no, thats dumb
they both project to be around 2.5 war 120ops+, so the same on field Value. Bo needed to play 2b also to really make sense for the Jays which also reduces his value
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Jays are spending ridiculous money on payroll already.
3rd highest in the league plus a huge luxury tax penalty on top of that.
Jays improved their staring pitching
Jays improved their Relief pitching
If Santander gets back to hitting a minimum 30hrs and Oka hits at least 19 HR’s, their batting will have improved as well.But Im sure, some will still whine
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Jays are spending ridiculous money on payroll already.
3rd highest in the league plus a huge luxury tax penalty on top of that.
Jays improved their staring pitching
Jays improved their Relief pitching
If Santander gets back to hitting a minimum 30hrs and Oka hits at least 19 HR’s, their batting will have improved as well.But Im sure, some will still whine
For some, that’s their whole schtick. Jays are going to be fun to watch this year, can’t wait till they get going.
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The Jays lost out on Bo, Tucker and Bellinger so the Jays won’t be able to outscore their problems next year. So Plan B is just going to have to be to outpitch everybody.
Step one, trade Berrios. With the money he is making, you could bring back Bassitt or Scherzer and with some luck, maybe both.
Scherzer is starting to look like a “wait and see” signing. The Jays could cut to the chase and lock him in now, or they could wait and risk losing him later. I’d rather reel him in now because he’s like an extra pitching coach for Yesavage to be around as he plays a full season for the first time in the MLB. That, alone, would be worth the contract.
Next, they should take the money they were willing to spend on Bo / Tucker and bring in Valdez who is a big impact lefty that the Jays really need. Get Vlad Jr. to spin some D.R. magic. If the Jays end up losing one of Gausman or Bieber next year, they can rely on still having an elite lefty long term. The same logic was applied for signing Cease. Cease, Valdez, Gausman (or Bieber), Yesavage is still a strong long term rotation.
Cease, Valdez and Gausman are your guaranteed starters then Bieber, Yesavage, Scherzer and Bassitt can platoon between 4th, 5th, 6th and the bullpen. Bieber is coming off Tommy John, Yesavage is a rookie, Scherzer is old and Bassitt is up there in age too. A lot more teams, including the Dodgers, have used 6 man rotations to keep their arms fresh and healthy. The Jays would be wise to do the same. Keep the older guys fresh and give Yesavage room for error. For the playoffs, the best 3 guys start and the rest hit the bullpen, just like they did last year.
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Bellinger was never coming to Toronto and it doesnt look like the Jays wanted Bo back specially at that price.
Bo was never a power hitter but the Jays could miss his average. He wasnt great a D so that is easily replaceable.
If Vladdy and santander have better reg and Oka simply hits for average and brings in 15 – 20 homeruns, that is already an improvement on Bo.With Gausman, bieber, Cease, yesavage, ponce, berrios along with Lauer and Francis, their starting pitching is set and able to succeed with through injuries.
I’d like to see another bat as other players could have down years.
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Bo might only be a 1 year deal with NYM.
Makes sense for Bellinger to go back to NYY, he is suited for their silly stadium.
I really wish the Jays got/would get Mason Miller ..would be so fun to watch 104mph
I really wish the Jays got/would get Ohtani but I was told we don’t need him.
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Bo might only be a 1 year deal with NYM.
Makes sense for Bellinger to go back to NYY, he is suited for their silly stadium.
I really wish the Jays got/would get Mason Miller ..would be so fun to watch 104mph
Yup. In his presser he didnt seem to keen on staying past one year.
Its the mets, so they have a way of choking, we’ll see.I dont think the Jays will be adding anymore big salary unless they move some salary out. The “extra” money allocated for Tucker will probably go back into their coffers.
Maybe add another cheap RP, or a Brendan Donovan trade?Great off season for the Jays though. Hopefully they get another bat.
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Yup. In his presser he didnt seem to keen on staying past one year.
Its the mets, so they have a way of choking, we’ll see.I dont think the Jays will be adding anymore big salary unless they move some salary out. The “extra” money allocated for Tucker will probably go back into their coffers.
Maybe add another cheap RP, or a Brendan Donovan trade?Great off season for the Jays though. Hopefully they get another bat.
It really was. No point in comparing our offseason to the Dodgers, they just do whatever TF they want. Compared to just about every other team in the league, the Jays killed it. Run with this team, see what needs to be tweaked around the trade deadline, then target guys to fill those holes.
It takes a lot of things to go your way to get to the big show, and a lot went right for the Jays last year. Hopefully, they can spark that magic again for another run.
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It really was. No point in comparing our offseason to the Dodgers, they just do whatever TF they want. Compared to just about every other team in the league, the Jays killed it. Run with this team, see what needs to be tweaked around the trade deadline, then target guys to fill those holes.
It takes a lot of things to go your way to get to the big show, and a lot went right for the Jays last year. Hopefully, they can spark that magic again for another run.[/quote]
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It really was. No point in comparing our offseason to the Dodgers, they just do whatever TF they want. Compared to just about every other team in the league, the Jays killed it. Run with this team, see what needs to be tweaked around the trade deadline, then target guys to fill those holes.
It takes a lot of things to go your way to get to the big show, and a lot went right for the Jays last year. Hopefully, they can spark that magic again for another run.
The Dodgers beat the Jays. The Dodgers beat the Jays in the offseason. Why will the World Series result be any different? The Jays need to do more if they expect to actually win this time. It’s basic.
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Unless you pay to have all stars at every position which only one team in the league does.
And only one team wins. Such a Canadacuck. Maybe the Dodgers will share the World Series with the Jays if they ask nicely since “only one team” can invest in the best players available. No, retard, only one team is WILLING to spend more money to win. The Jays spend money but don’t want to go all the way. They could take the money they wanted to give to Tucker and give it to another top player. But they won’t. And that’s why the Dodgers won last time and why they will next time too.
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pitchers and catchers report to spring training Tuesday February 10
in case anyone celebratesGood to hear.
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ok then
Jon Heyman
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Jays are among several teams that have interest in top free agent starter Framber Valdez,
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and I have learned
@nypostsportsExcellent news. As I said, great to target the lefty weapon with the money they were willing to spend on bats.
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what a pile of loser energy this unhinged goalie guy is, just a miserable online life.
go Jays! should be another fun season.
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what a pile of loser energy this unhinged goalie guy is, just a miserable online life.
go Jays! should be another fun season.
Loser energy sounds a lot more like how the Jays lost out to the Dodgers in offseason improvements.
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what a pile of loser energy this unhinged goalie guy is, just a miserable online life.
go Jays! should be another fun season.
Truly a pathetic basement dweller, whines about everything. His parents must have hated him…or they’re douches like him.
Valdez seems like a shitty person, that stunt he did with his rookie catcher simply shouldnt happen. I dont think the Jays really went all in on valdez, they simply kicked tires and ultimately he got really overpaid.
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Truly a pathetic basement dweller, whines about everything. His parents must have hated him…or they’re douches like him.
Wrong again libtard but keep trying to insult me instead of sticking to the topic at hand; the Jays lost out again.
Valdez seems like a shitty person, that stunt he did with his rookie catcher simply shouldnt happen.
Another woke ass take, typical for you libtard.
I dont think the Jays really went all in on valdez, they simply kicked tires and ultimately he got really overpaid.
If they weren’t in on him for real, they don’t care about winning enough. They needed an elite lefty. They got nothing.
With how high the Jays payroll currently is you’d have to be a moron to think they were going to add another $40m to it for position they are already really good in.
Trade players to save money like Berrios. Keep apologizing for the owners to spend less when it’s obvious they not only need to spend more but they really needed an elite lefty and an elite closer.
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I didnt see any posts here about Santander being of any value to the Jays this season, he was to be dumped.
So yeah, of course now he is a loss to the Jays. *wanking motion*also they Jays did try to sign other bats, doesnt always work out.
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I didnt see any posts here about Santander being of any value to the Jays this season, he was to be dumped.
So yeah, of course now he is a loss to the Jays. *wanking motion*also they Jays did try to sign other bats, doesnt always work out.
Yes, he should have been dumped and replaced with a healthy bat. Or a starting lefty. Or a closer (still don’t have a great one).
Now the Jays have neither. That wanking motion is what you’re so accustomed to with this failure of an offseason to stay competitive with the Dodgers. Keep wanking though.
They tried and they failed.
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Santander out for 5-6 months. Great that the Jays didn’t get that extra bat. Saved money though, that’s more important.
Shut your fucking retarded mouth you jackoff, nobody wants to hear your retarded takes and constant negativity about everything.
JFC you are a loser.
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Shut your fucking retarded mouth you jackoff, nobody wants to hear your retarded takes and constant negativity about everything.
JFC you are a loser.
Retard Ranger mad again? Must be hard to emotionally regulate those 23 brain cells and 23 accounts.
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Shut your fucking retarded mouth you jackoff, nobody wants to hear your retarded takes and constant negativity about everything.
JFC you are a loser.
Retard Ranger mad again? Must be hard to emotionally regulate those 23 brain cells and 23 accounts.
Far from mad you shit stain on society – just telling you that nobody wants to hear your retarded takes about the Jays or Leafs but you’re clearly too fucking stupid to understand that.
Not surprisingly, retards gunna’ retard.
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Yes, he should have been dumped and replaced with a healthy bat. Or a starting lefty. Or a closer (still don’t have a great one).
Now the Jays have neither. That wanking motion is what you’re so accustomed to with this failure of an offseason to stay competitive with the Dodgers. Keep wanking though.
They tried and they failed.
hey look at that the Jays trade for a LH bat with some power.
nice buy low deal on Jesus Sanchez, maybe they can unlock a bit more power like with Barger.*waits for loser reply complaining about stupid shit
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hey look at that the Jays trade for a LH bat with some power.
nice buy low deal on Jesus Sanchez, maybe they can unlock a bit more power like with Barger.*waits for loser reply complaining about stupid shit[/quote]
This seems like a good trade for the present. He averages 14 – 18 HR’s per season, he’s an upgrade defensively, he’s cheap (1.3 WAR) and under control for a bit.
Loperfido wasnt may not have gotten as much playing time now but in the future could become something decent (Current WAR is 0.6).Good trade for the Jays.
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This seems like a good trade for the present. He averages 14 – 18 HR’s per season, he’s an upgrade defensively, he’s cheap (1.3 WAR) and under control for a bit.
Loperfido wasnt may not have gotten as much playing time now but in the future could become something decent (Current WAR is 0.6).Good trade for the Jays.
Sanchez has 20hr /162
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Mad Max is back. Good insurance policy considering Berrios is a wild card, Bieber is already injured, Yesavage is a rookie, Ponce hasn’t played in the MLB in years…so…kind of needed another option if some of the other question marks turn out to be busts.
I think Max is pretty much finished as an elite starter (probably not even average) but what he brings for Yesavage’s development is worth every penny. Max had a lot of things to deal with in his career so if he can impart that wisdom to avoid those speed bumps on Yesavage, it’s a great signing.
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Max is back. Noice. Not sure how much value he will add on the field, but i dont care about that. Its great to see him with the team
Agreed – I’m happy he’s back even if his presence (beyond the benefits for the younger pitchers) is just for the entertainment value of seeing him fired up on the bench or mound when Schnider comes to try and pull him from a game. lol
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