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You have to remember, McKenna was a superior talent in junior. He decided to go to the NCAA because he wanted to play against players older than him, that were more polished. He started slow, but turned it on in the second half. He still averaged more than 2 points a game, in a league that’s known for low scoring games. He had an 8 point game in the NCAA, a record that will be hard to break. There’s a reason that many in the know, across the NHL, pick him to be the first overall pick. This is one of these times that you take a player like him and he explodes into a top 10 NHL player going forward. He could also be a 75 point player, which is fine, but not a first overall. A big issue is, do you want to be the GM that passed on this guy and he goes on to set records in points production and wins an Art Ross and the Hart Trophy or the Conn Smythe? It’s a conundrum, but it sure is a good one to have. The alternative was Boston picking at #6. If you watched the final balls dropping at the draft, there was a ball that would have put Winnipeg into the #1 spot but just missed, before #12 ended up in the hopper. If that had happened, Boston would be drafting at #6. It was pure luck and maybe it’s Karma that’s telling them to make that pick. Of course, getting a deal from Vancouver that nets you #3 plus a top end defensive prospect, or another 1st isn’t bad either.
Celebrini was not considered one of the high end #1 picks.
“Six NHL scouts and executives were polled”
granted not a big sample, but gives an idearanked after Jack hughes
I think he would rank #2 now after Mcdavid
The idiots they polled must have worked for the Leafs and had no clue idea what they were talking about. It’s no surprise the New York Times is full of bullshit polls though.
Celebrini had 32 goals and 64 points and +25 in his draft year in the NCAA.
McKenna had 15 goals and 51 points and -7 in his draft year in the NCAA.
Celebrini was always legit. He also plays C. McKenna isn’t at that level.
The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
If the Leafs gather 10-12 pieces including top prospects, young roster players and 1st round picks, they don’t need their own 1st round picks. Yes, obviously it would be nice to be able to tank and have your own pick but the Leafs can tank for themselves in 2029 and 2030. Yes, Boston and Philadelphia benefit from that but Treliving is a retard and there’s nothing the Leafs can do to change it now. Waiting another 2 years of being a Wild Card team only delays the inevitable and doesn’t win you the Cup either.
The Leafs can’t rely on Woll or Stolarz to be healthy because they’ve never proven to be healthy. It’s always something with them. They’re either hurt or playing like shit. Either way, that’s not solid ground for a contender. The Leafs fighting for 8th place and a 1st round ass kicking is a waste of time. It’s either Stanley Cup or rebuild. There is no middle anymore.
The Leafs defense are dinosaurs. The roster is one of the oldest in the NHL. Injuries are to be expected. They’re old, slow and high risk for injury. Reality is, all the Leafs defense should be the bottom pairing on a contender. These guys are valuable pieces at the trade deadline but as a unit, they don’t work together.
The UFA market yields nobody that moves the needle. UFAs are always overpaid and signed for too long. Two things the Leafs can’t afford to add to the mess. The trade market doesn’t help because Chayka sucks balls at winning trades and the Leafs have nothing to trade to acquire the pieces they need (which aren’t available either) to turn the team round. The only trades the Leafs should be making are to acquire bad contracts like Adin Hill to add more 1st round picks.
The only argument to not trade Matthews and Nylander before the season is to play them long enough to have them increase their value to make the return bigger. But by the trade deadline, they absolutely have to be traded and the team has to be blown apart.
Celebrini was not considered one of the high end #1 picks.
“Six NHL scouts and executives were polled”
granted not a big sample, but gives an idearanked after Jack hughes
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5367202/2024/04/23/macklin-celebrini-nhl-draft-connor-mcdavid/I think he would rank #2 now after Mcdavid
I can see moving Nylander, if the package includes a top prospect and at least another 1st rounder. As a winger, he’s easily replaceable with a free agent. Defensemen and centers are another matter. Willy is 29 and he’s at his peak. A contender would gladly move a young asset, if it meant making their team a Cup contender. Leafs should look at Anaheim and see if they could shake Mason McTavish from them, in a Nylander trade. They may get a pick with that trade. That kind of deal makes perfect sense, as McTavish would slot in at 2C with Tavares moving to the wing.
then you might as well try to get a top pairing D with Nylander. unlikely, but
Adam Fox would be a top target for me, but he doesnt want to play in Canada? not sure. someone like that
I can see moving Nylander, if the package includes a top prospect and at least another 1st rounder. As a winger, he’s easily replaceable with a free agent. Defensemen and centers are another matter. Willy is 29 and he’s at his peak. A contender would gladly move a young asset, if it meant making their team a Cup contender. Leafs should look at Anaheim and see if they could shake Mason McTavish from them, in a Nylander trade. They may get a pick with that trade. That kind of deal makes perfect sense, as McTavish would slot in at 2C with Tavares moving to the wing.
The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
They cant do a full tear down while not having their 1sts, it doesn’t make sense.
You can trade Nylander now, but I dont see why you would at this point.
over his past 2 seasons he is 90pts /82 and last season was 100 point pace. with a draft pick you pray for a prospect with 80 point potential.
And with him signed to what is a decent value contract, it should take a massive return to move him.Its Rielly for sure, move him yesterday.
Once you know if AM is going to sign again, then you decide.
The Leafs won’t be contenders overnight. They can’t possibly get better with a tear down without their own 1st rounders. Are you OK with giving Boston and Philadelphia a top tier first rounder over the next 2 years? If you tear it down, that’s exactly what will happen. In that same time period, as the Leafs rebuild, those two franchises will also be better thanks to the Leafs tear down. It’s better to try and retool and acquire first round picks and prospects with other teams draft capital. I’m all for moving Nylander for picks. I’m also good with scraping half of the defense and back filling them with our own prospects and a UFA that would be better than what we had. On the goaltending front, one year ago, the Leafs made it to the second round of the playoffs. It wasn’t the offense that got them there. It had to do with solid goaltending. The Leafs goaltending isn’t as bleak as you make them out to be. Last year was an injury prone year with their goaltenders being hurt, off and on, plus many of their key players also sidelined for long stretches of the season. Nylander and Matthews missed time, as did McCabe plus Tanev barely played. This team does need to move half of it’s roster but I’m guessing that about 7 or 8 will actually move. A couple of free agent signings and some addition through subtraction is in order. Nylander and Rielly need to be moved this off season.
Here is Mckenna doc.
https://xcancel.com/SaugaCitySniperHard not to cheer for the kid, nice family. Hope he succeeds in the NHL wherever he lands
Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. As long as they have star caliber players, they’ll always retool and not tear it down. With no first rounders of their own, for two years, why bother tearing it down. It should be acquire assets and build the farm system. They didn’t bring Chyka in to not win. He’s there for a more modern look on how the NHL works. The Leafs have been running back retreads and not looking forward. If the Leafs do get David Carle, as Coach, there will be a changing of the guard. A deep retool with other teams prospects works too. They still need to field a competitive team so UFA’s would allow them to move players like Rielly and Nylander and still be relatively competitive. We can’t allow our next two first rounders to rebuild our opponents. We can’t have Boston with another top 5 from us and Philly should be kept out of the top 10 as well.
Wrong. They had “star” players and are drafting 1st overall. Bad defense, bad goaltending and a tough division can crumble this team quickly.
Why bother tear it down? Because Matthews can walk like Marner did leaving the Leafs with dick on a stick for a huge asset. Yes, they don’t have a 1st round pick but if they blow it up correctly, that won’t matter, they’ll have so many 1st round picks they can draft the entire team in the 1st round in 2 years. Then tank in the 3rd + 4th year and be ready to compete in the 5th year.
They brought in Chayka because he’s the only idiot who said he would try to retool. Chayka’s track record is horrible in trades. So he can try but he will fail and then the Leafs will be forced into a rebuild.
If the Leafs hire Carle as an NHL coach, they’re risking he comes in as a rookie and blows it. When was the last time a coach in his 30s from the NCAA turned a team into a contender overnight?
