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Did you also read that he wants to go the Habs.
Are the Leafs on his 15 team no trade list? -dmntedI read the article if that’s what your asking and yes it was mentioned that Frank Servalli said in a perfect world he’d like to go home and join the Habs. I also factored in it’s Frank Servalli who says alot of shit and hopes some of it sticks and becomes true. lol
I think Servalli is a bit of an idiot with very little real inside info to be honest.
No clue who is on his 15 team list – Leafs for sure could be on there but the sudden move or willingness to move (again if true) makes me think after being so successful in Vegas he sees that Nashville may not be cup competitive for awhile and he wants to jump to a team he feels is closer to being a cup contender.
Guess we will see – you watch Florida will get him….sigh.
Read a yahoo sports article today saying Jonathan Marchessault is willing to waive his no trade to be moved. He’s got 4 more years at 5.5M per and is 34 and will be 35 come December (he’s 3 months younger than JT).
Is he a possibly 1st/2nd line RW replacement for Marner (L2 if Willy moves to L1)?
Wonder what it would cost to get him out of Nashville?
This may also help set the bar for a JT re-up but cheaper on a home town discout.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/former-golden-knights-forward-reportedly-204137482.html
Really? Because that’s factually inaccurate.
UGNo its not. I know you dont like facts but marner had 1 assist in the final 4 games against the panthers and 2 assist in the final 3 games against Ottawa.
For $11m he disappears when games count.
In 2023 he had 1 assist in the final 3 games against boston
In 2022 he had 1 assist and 1 goal in the final 3 games against Florida…he showed up for one game
In 2021 he had 2 assist in the final 3 games….technically final 4 games against tampa
In 2020 he had 1 assist in the final 3 games….technically final 4 games against Montreal
Horrible stats for an $11m player….even worse for if he wants $13mThese are facts. So what was previous said was FACTUALLY correct.
Once again…you are not. – FakeBang on but we all know Uggie no likey the facts.
And as Whipper said trying to paint the picture that Marner was anything other than pedestrian (at best) in the final 4 games vs Florida is an absolute lie, when you layer in he was paid 10.9 M it’s a travesty. And (because we all know the deflection, goal post moving and whataboutisms are coming) the rest of the core also shit the bed in games 4-7.
That being said to post endlessly in multiple threads ripping on JT saying he was why they lost, the absolute worst because he didn’t score more all the while JT makes a whopping 100K more than Marner AND plays on L2 without the benefit of an AM and Knies with less minutes but cry over and over that they can’t afford to let Marner go is so funny it’s almost sad.
One 4 foot pass that required zero playmaking ability really where AM goes and rips one home – that same pass could have been made by anyone, and I mean anyone on the roster. Anyone puffing up their chest and trying to say the “Primary assist on the GWG” was some huge accomplishment is kidding themselves.
Marner’s GWG was a seeing eye shot off a screen he floated from the half wall, it was a ‘throw it on net and hope for good things” which worked – his teammates put up a great screen for him and it’s something Marner (and the other skilled players) needed to do more of – shoot the fucking puck through traffic and look for greasy playoff goals.
How anyone can claim ANY of the core was good enough in games 4-7 is wild.
I’m so relieved.
Thank you for your service.
I was talking to the reasonable adults in this place, so clearly not you.
Confirmed (if anyone cares) User 23BigQuestions HERE is the actual poster from HB (with the handle there Big23Questions) as he messaged me on HB just now.
How do I know if I am really who I say I am? – Senstrolltwo
You have to look DEEP inside yourself……..smart ass.
lol
Since your not actually BIG23QUESTIONS why don’t you tell us who you really are and why you decided to use that user name here? -Cush
23BigQuestions is the imposter. Already msgd you that.- Big23Questions
You messaged me on the other board but did not say that (although it’s entirely possible 23BigQuestions is an imposter) at all.
Feel free to message me on the other board to clarify, you can reply to my PM there and I’ll edit the posts here to clear it up.
No chance
I gets youre mad at it but you will be back there and Marner will be a Leaf again. just watch – FAKEBIG23QUESTIONSSince your not actually BIG23QUESTIONS why don’t you tell us who you really are and why you decided to use that user name here?
People afraid or opposed to moderation are the ones who need to be moderated the most.
Also FYI I got a PM from BIG23Questions on the other board – he said whomever is posting here using his username from HB is an imposter as he tried to register here using it and someone else already had done so.
That’s kinda’ a POS move if true.
I think we know what we see with our eyes and how we feel about it. Here’s the thing I’d have to question – Berube is a take-no-shit coach. He will call out a floater, especially if he needs those buttons pushed. Why didn’t he? He actually doubled down on how much he thought they cared and tried.
I think it’s less about their drive and desire and more about needing an instructor to show them the way. Think about who led these guys? Marleau and Thornton were the shepherds to success. Two guys who won absolutely nothing in the NHL; they did win gold medals in the World Championships or the Olympics, but were largely contributors, not leaders (Thornton did lead Canada to the World Championship gold in the lockout year and led Davos to the Spengler cup in the same year) – and when playing against real NHL peers in the toughest of competition, neither were truly prominent.
Even Tavares, on the Island, had a couple of years of broken down Doug Weight as his mentor, but Weight was largely injured and they didn’t make the playoffs in those years either.
You need someone to show you how and lead the way. Have they really had that? Because if we shouldn’t question their desire and effort, then that has to be it, doesn’t it? – Mokeypuck
You nailed it (IMO) on what is one of the biggest gaps with the Leafs with respect to the ‘vets’ that have been brought in to show the young guys what it takes, how to win. I loved Marleau and Jumbo and love JT but these are 3 guys who never managed to have great TEAM success in the NHL playoffs so should we be surprised the ‘young core of kids’ has now grown into the no longer kids core who can’t?
Making JT captain may have been a mistake but I’m sure it was part of the sales pitch so they had no real reason to not do it if they wanted JT (which nearly everyone did even those slagging him now would have been whining non-stop had the leafs not got him about what a mistake it was to not do so).
Making Matthews captain – I’m not sold on at this point BUT what other options did they have really? Who was a bigger profile player who I would assume many of the team look up to? They probably should have just run with no C for a bit and done the 4 x “A”‘s and given one to Tanev the minute he signed.
I’d be fine with a true blockbuster trade to bring that person into the fold with the Leafs and eventually make them the official captain (while unofficially they are the captain). I’d actually kinda’ like to see it regardless of who is involved (of course I’d judge the trade endlessly for years) but in this day and age you don’t see those often if ever.
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Florida is head and shoulders above just about every team in the league. The Leafs need major upgrades to compete on that level, but there really isn’t much out there in this year’s UFA class that is going to move the needle enough. Marner is gone, but paying him $14M wasn’t going to be the answer either. Next year is likely going to be a step backwards, but I’m curious to see what Tre cooks up.But they aren’t.
Didnt win the division and had the leafs not choked again, they’d be playing the canes. – FakeI disagree with the 2nd statement but maybe it needs context.
Florida has proven (yet again) they ARE heads and shoulders better than Tampa, Toronto, and are doing the same right now to the Canes when it comes to PLAYOFF HOCKEY.
Leafs winning the division was nice, it didn’t change much come round 2 though but it was nice.
The Leafs “choking again’ was sure some of them being extra leafy but also Florida showing everyone the difference between good and great teams when it comes to playoffs.
There has been a team in the Leafs division who is just better built and / or performs better come playoffs than the Leafs for a long, long time, like as long as the Leafs have been back in the playoffs really. Boston, then Tampa, Habs in the bubble, now Florida. The Leafs can’t continue to be the team who keeps saying and/or believing “if only” that one thing had gone right, that one goal had gone in etc. they would be cup champs and they are 99% of the way to a cup final and win it’s just bad luck and officiating that is holding them back.
If they want to become a top 4 team in this league they absolutely must change HOW the roster is constructed / the cap is spread around IMO.
As much as I struggle with it on either end of the logical scale in that, largely for their versatility, I would rather have Marner than Nylander – and they are compared here because of the salary issues – but the fact is that Marner checked out before that series was over and game 7’s response from the hometown put a lid on it. Adjustments are so hard to make mid-series with players, but you can’t help but wonder if Domi swapping with Marner would’ve helped in any capacity. I think no matter who was up there Matthews not finishing on his chances severely limited the top line.
Let’s face it the 2LW was an achillies heel for this team. Holmberg was -6 at 5v5 in that series. That’s double the next closest (Tavares, Laughton, Lorentz and Carlo were all -3) and it’s been one because they don’t have the money to put it there. They need a 2C and then to move JT to the wing. They also will need a top-6 RW; I do think that because he’s a shooter, they could keep Nylander and Matthews apart and find a different RW.
Rielly may suck defensively, but he was only -1 and was on for more goals for than any other player on the team. I want him gone more than I want to keep him, but he’s not absent when the playoffs arrive. He’s just not physical. He’s never changing, but god I wish he could just put his body in front of the other team’s players rather than only his stick. – Monkey Puck
IF you had a choice between either Marner or Nylander with no salary or contract info on the table and were just picking the player you thought was the ‘best’ player I can understand the thought process behind Marner over Nylander for sure – nobody sane can deny Marner is a better overall contributor to a team since he plays so well defensively. It’s about what your team has already and what your team needs I guess but I do see your point and could agree with it if the ‘other factors’ aren’t considered like salary expectations, contract, mental toughness, ability to deliver in high pressure situations etc.
It’s all but written in the stars, Marner will leave and much like Kadri win a cup somewhere else and good for him but you can’t equate that to ‘if the Leafs kept him it would mean he could have done it here’ IMO.
Same as Kadri was not the player here he has been since leaving, nor Hyman etc. Some players need to go to a new team to grow and thrive, especially those who play for their ‘hometown team’ from the minute they get into the league until they leave or sometimes just where they are drafted to and start to learn how to be a pro vs a new team (i.e. Sam Bennett who never got more than 18 goals in Calgary & was a minus player every year and is now a guaranteed 20 or 25 goal scorer and a + player year over year in Florida). Coaches, systems, pressure from location, age, maturity etc. all play such big factors into a players performance.
If (when) Marner goes I want to see Willy at least start on L1 with Matthews, IMO he deserves it and if he’s better suited to line 2 because they can find an equal or better RW for L1 then that’s fine.
Agreed 2LW has been a revolving door of failure for the most part, they need to solidify that spot once and for all and if you don’t get a hard nosed L2 Centre it needs to be a 2LW with bite, snarl or whatever you want to call it who can score and grind. A tough thing to find for sure – essentially you want another Knies.
Reilly I agree with you fully on. I’d love to move on from him but I think the Leafs are stuck with him but I’m also not sure they can change him into what we all want him to be sadly.
