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ParticipantMarner could have been a hero had he signed for reasonable amount (my gawd Kaprisov deal is horrible), quit whining and truly showed up in the playoffs.
But he did neither.
How good and physical the leafs will be remains to be seen…only the results in April will matter. But for 9 years it wasnt working with this core. Things had to change. They did.
Some need to move on, let it go. This isnt marner’s dads leafs anymore…..marner ran away.Question is, with how old and injury prone the leafs seem to be….can the full team survive the full season? Can matthews be the matthews of 3 years ago?
The 3rd line does look great though.I will say it quickly, Marner has talent, I know this, but he’s a whiner and I won’t miss him at all on the leafs. There’s my opinion, the end.
What I do think will be the shock for leaf fans this year is getting used to having a bottom six that actually is good again for the first time in over a couple f’n decades. They haven’t had this since before the rebuild and it’s why I think some leaf fans are still panicking about this type of restructuring. They either don’t remember how this is the more effective way to build a team or they aren’t old enough to have ever seen it, at least not on the leafs.
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ParticipantMcdavid will take a home town discount
with the Leafs
How do the leafs dump Matthews to pull it off is the main question.
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ParticipantSo like I said, you have no real argument (only excuses) for why Tavares, Nylander and Rielly are still on the team with Berube as head coach because they all absolutely suck defensively and provide zero physicality or two-way play.
Nor should they be. Line 2 is not the defensive line of the top 6, nothing unusual for a team, and a non defensive d man who is a 50P threat at $7.5? That doesn’t bother me either.
I know you love the guy but Marner is a crybaby, and he’s been one since he’s been here in London. Talented as hell sure, but he’s also a big ass whiner. I genuinely hope that playing in a less intense market will be better for him, southern Ontario is not where he belongs.
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ParticipantMust be why Tavares, Rielly and Nylander were removed from the team. Oh wait, that’s the sound of that argument imploding.
He was worth much more than what they offered. Just because he was willing to take a form of discount doesn’t mean he was going to take a total discount.
Ok I’m giving JT the pass now, the old vet is still damn near a PPG and he signed nice and cheap deal to make up for signing for what turned out to be too much. Please keep in mind it wouldn’t have seemed to be that high if that Covid lockdown didn’t happen either. Him being a little high at the first year or two of his contract isn’t abnormal in this league, problem is due to that 2 year lockdown on the cap he never escaped it so he always seemed too high. The guessed thinking when it was offered would have been that cap should have been at least his salary higher when his contract ended.
Rielly… the on and off light switch? Come on man you know what year is coming up lol
Nylander has been climbing at what he’s good at so let’s just hope that continues. He’s a speedy ass offensive threat that keeps the opposition on their toes. They know that even if they have the puck if they accidentally give it up and he’s on the ice watch out cause he could take off with it because he doesn’t play a physical D and they know it. So that is Nylander’s defence, sticking inside the opposition’s head.
When it comes to Marner it’s unfortunate but his demand obviously had to do with take home, which meant more than $13.5, which was all the leafs were willing to offer cap wise. So if take home meant that much to him, he had to choose a team in a lower taxation location.
As for the other comment about Ford lol, and lol again, I was waiting for you to say that. Just saw him on the news chatting in the hammer about video cameras getting used more, is that guy ever going to learn how to talk? lol
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Marner would have stayed for less than 16.And this fantasy about Berube’s style is a myth. Marner played two way hockey. Nothing changed before, during or after Marner.
Berube wants fast/physical north south hockey and he said it himself. As for Marner staying for less, he was offered less and he said no.
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ParticipantMaybe the budget will include more injection sites. That’s always a guarantee to fix everything.
Send them to a government paid hotel room. Works every time.
Avoid this man…
For instance for roughly $250K plus homes
Canadian federal government taxation: 33%
American federal government taxation: 37%Ontario Conservative government taxation: 20.53%
Alberta Conservative government taxation: 15%Ford is the iffy one atm who needs someone to go chat with him.
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ParticipantEvery city needs to do this. Round them up and send them all to one dystopian shit hole like Barrie that is already ruined. Problem solved.
They’re trying to clean it up, parking for free would help but that won’t happen, the parks still do well since thankfully they’re at the river and they’re large enough to be able to ignore the iffy folk.
The rest of London is doing great, just the core that sucks. The east end is iffy but it always was but even businesses and people do well there still. I’m in the old south end and it thrives, and the north and west are newer/growing and thriving. Maybe the idea of having the busses all meet downtown for people to change from one to another is a bad one? Who knows.
The city does seem to be focusing the police on street dwellers a lot more lately tho, getting them into the overnight dwellings and “insisting” a bit more strongly. It’s getting noticed. We’ll see how it works out on cost tho.
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ParticipantThank god the Leafs didn’t overpay to keep Marner like this.
The fact there is only one poster who spews his garbage on here daily about how the Leafs should have overpaid Marner (who by the way didn’t want to stay anyway) simply shows the vast majority of Leaf fans are fine with the Leafs not making this same type of mistake with Marner.
And to preemptively respond to the “Marner left because of the fans, media, crime blah blah blah” – suck it up buttercup. Marner is the poster child for spoiled, soft kids. He has been told his entire life he was special and better than everyone else and when he wasn’t he took his ball and ran away to somewhere new where they told him what he wanted to hear.
Great player but spoiled brat.
If he was a pro athlete in a single person sport with the talent he has he may have had far more success but he’s not built to be a team player and it became more and more obvious as his time in Toronto came to an end.
Oh Marner would have cost a fortune to stick around for the $7.5 mill take home he gets in Nevada. In Ontario (and yes they are paid game by game so I’m keeping this very simple but it’s a truth) to get that he’d have to be making $16 mill. With advertising and only taking on 43 games in Ontario sure it would be closer to $15 but still, $13.5 in Toronto does not get him even close to what he now earns in Vegas.
Most importantly the leafs are a more well rounded team playing a more physical game. Yes Berube adjusted his coaching style last year because who the fuck wouldn’t when you have Marner in the lineup but both him and the GM weren’t going to continue that style unless Marner signed the deal that they drew the line on, and Marner didn’t.
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ParticipantMinnesota Wild dropping huge cash AND term on a 28 year old who will be 37 when his 17M per year contract ends and who has never scored 50 goals in a single season is a pretty ballsy move for sure.
Mc Jesus will get 18M per year or more now guaranteed.
Minnesota is a highly taxed state, nearly the same as Alberta total (46.5% in Minnie and 48% in Alberta, still better than Ontario’s 53.53% thanks Dougie) so I’m guessing that’s why it was so high. Still it’s over a $9 mill take home, I know it’s not the nicest place to live but damn, $2 mill more of a take home than Marner to keep him there? Yikes.
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ParticipantI recently ate at “The Squire”? across from the arena when I was in London with the kids for the Korn concert. Downtown was looking rough….or so it seemed…maybe all the construction?
Oh no, downtown London is garbage, even McDonald’s left. Basically anything outside of the arena and Covent Garden Market block is drug user world… sure there is a couple decent spots if you can handle going down there but a lot of people just won’t.
The city needs to figure out how to get the junkies and homeless (both the good and bad ones) out of the area if they ever truly hope for the city core to come alive again.
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ParticipantELC contract years will start being used up because he’s 20, yes, but it wouldn’t if he was still 18 or 19. But he still has never played pro hockey yet. As I have said elsewhere, Nylander, as a rookie, only last 22 games after 2/3 years playing pro level hockey at his age. Cowan needs top-six minutes in the AHL. Playing 8 minutes in the NHL is a waste of his development time, even if it isn’t wasting his contract years.
Ahhhh ok so by waste of a year you’re simply talking about how he’s being used, ok got it. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Maybe the Leafs are quite simply in the now or never mode. Prospect and pick depth is notably weak, and where will this team be when Matthews’ contract is up? The backend will be notably older, same with their starter, JT isn’t leaving, so use whatever is best now. I mean why build the kid up in the minors? To have some core basically around Nylander, Knies, and him if Matthews chooses to leave? If that does happen having that kid with experience would likely make him more tradeable as he’d be at least in the middle six by then anyways. It will be rebuild time.
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I don’t know what’s going on either lol
Quick FYI, ELC contract years still get used up in the AHL. So Cowan gets a new contract in 2028 one way or another. Looked into that last night and that’s how it works. Leafs or Marlies has zero to do with his current contract.
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ParticipantHey Everyone,
I have changed the title of this forum for the upcoming season.
Thanks for letting us know, and I will never dispute the Keymaster! ????????
Cheers Mike
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Participantthe Leafs have cut a good chunk of there roster.
they are mostly the Marlies playersSeems like they’ve pretty much have their roster pretty much decided so long as nothing severe happens over the next few days. The starting lineup is supposed to get Thursday’s game (according to the media) and what is leftover will cover Saturday’s. Be interesting to see what happens after that. Who gets moved, who gets put on waivers, etc.
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That’s a FANTASTIC price for the guy who lead the league in SV% the last two years.Tendies are locked up for the next few years, D is too (granted, they’re a little long in the tooth), and we have 16-18M to bring in some (A?) nice pieces next year.
In Brad and Woll and Stollie we trust!
The D is a bit older but not ancient either so I’m not worried about them for a couple of years so long as the forwards backcheck decently they should be fine.
I like the goalie signing, not too long and not too expensive so it fell within what I felt was reasonable for him.
I’m liking that Cowan is looking like he made the team at least to start the season too, people might be freaking out that he should be starting in the AHL in a top 6 roll but that’s not how things tick for that guy, even for the Knights he started off in a bottom six roll and worked his way up. With him he might be too good for the AHL and he simply won’t develop anything down there. He might simply be one of those types who needs to develop in the NHL by working his way up the lineup. I’ll even give UG credit tho, there is still a concern here and that’s how well this kid will last over an entire pro season, 4th line minutes should help that, but we shall see.
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