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Hahahaha! I’m not discounting Buium. He may prove to be a great fit in MIN but you’re trashing the team over them selecting Luchanko over Buium when neither has proved anything in the pros . .. oh wait, Luchanko was pretty good in the playoffs for LHV. They were both drafted high enough, they should both have a 90% chance of being NHL regulars. We already have the Buium type Dman here and I would rather have a center than a duplicate of that. This is not complicated.
I am not discounting Luchanko as a player, just as the BPA when the Flyers drafted. Buium was a consensus steal at a position of critical need, outside of the Flyers war room. They even traded out of their spot to avoid taking him. This has the making of when the Eagles selected Reagor over Justin Jefferson because Raegor was a better fit despite JJ being the consensus better talent. Roseman publicly admitted that after that embarrassing screwup he switched from drafting for fit to BPA and it’s worked out pretty well for him. God forbid the Flyers learn anything from the Eagles.
Jett playing in a few AHL playoff games has no bearing on his NHL potential or career. Hopefully he has improved from the shitshow he was when they tried to force him onto the roster last year. The Flyers need him to pan out but even if he does. When does the actual rebuild start? Still no #1 Center, #1 D, #1 goalie. Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
Size matters but exceptional players are exceptions. Is Bobby Brink an exceptional player? I don’t think he is. The center situation is a little better this year and a man deeper with Luchanko if he can pull it off. If not, they might have to scramble at 4C if there’s a long injury or Tocchet just wants to work both Cates and Dvorak into the top 9. If Zegras gets back to a .7 or so PPG level, he’s your number one center. I think he can do a little better. The D still needs work. There are only so many guys in the league that are better than Sanheim. It’s not that long a list.
I highly doubt Brink is going to be an exceptional player. He’s also 5’8″. Buium (6′, 185), who you discount based on size/weight is not small by any measure. He is the same size/weight as other cup winning defensemen such as Makar and appears to have the traits and resume of an exceptional future player, Jett does not. Jett, who is smaller (5’11”) and lighter (180) has the resume a “born to be a flyer” player. Oh no, he fails every metric you declared for being hard to play against and yet you ignore it.
The coach-player relationship between Tippett and the fickle, irascible Tortorella took a downturn over the course of Tortorella’s final calendar year behind the Philadelphia bench. This was true of many Flyers players, not just Tippett. Few players were sorry to see “Torts” go.
Many media members defended Torts player interactions/relationships. York says hi. Over the years there were many discussions on whether players would or did avoid Philly because of Torts and we were assured that it was all overblown, the Players loved Torts. Torts was great! Since Torts declared he didn’t want to be responsible anymore for a poopy roster which he was main force in shaping, the media is like a jilted girl’s best friend telling her all the things she kept quiet about her ex so as not to offend her friend.
Torts was a disaster as a coach/triumvirate GM but he had Comcast shielding him before.
Entering the 2024-25 season, there were high hopes that Tippett could attain his first 30-plus goal season in the National Hockey League. He had job security, starting a new eight-year contract ($6.2 million average annual value). He turned 26 on February 16, and seemed primed for a career-best season.
Tortorella was sometimes to blame for this himself by sending mixed messages: “safe is death” and “I want my offensive players to be aggressive up the ice” until they made an ill-timed turnover or a bad puck support read that ended up in the Philadelphia net.
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Mike Keenan needed the late EJ McGuire to “clean the blood off the walls” (McGuire’s own description), and Tortorella had Shaw do it. Tocchet will say what he feels he needs to be said to a player. However, he won’t do it in front of teammates and he won’t tell the media that today’s players are “young and dumb”.Tip is a one trick pony who needs the perfect situation to do well. He is a limited hockey player and may have already reached his ceiling, if so that contract was premature. Maybe DB should stop handing out 8 year contracts to limited players on a team that is years from contention. Not saying they shouldn’t have resigned Tip but much like Fletch, gave the player Term, Money, and clause.
Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years? It must feel like you are finally free.
In your opinion are the Flyers hard to play against? Torts thought he built a hard to play against team. What is your definition for that cliche?
the real problem starts at the top with ownership. then trickles down layer by layer.
The almost nine year long Hextall/Fletcher catastrophe is over. That destroyed this team, no question. This is now. The team still has issues but it’s a ton better off than it was.
as I said the real problem starts at the top. the same top that is still in place when those 2 were the GM. that hasn’t changed. replaced scott with another dope who has no business running a sports team.
briere part of fletcher’s staff, no? the amount of felating that briere receives is pure entertainment.
a ton better. god I love flyers fans. most delusional uneducated fan out there.
Torts was the face of the rebuild across both Fletcher and Briere’s tenure until his act wore out, started a fight with York, and told the world the Flyers are fcked. Yet DB still wanted to run it back.
Yea it’s crazy how no matter what crazy thing Torts did, it was excused, old time hockey baby!. Hell now according to some fans the Flyers aren’t even tough to play against despite that being Torts motto for 3 years. These fans would never dare post that when Torts was here though.
It’s going to be the same with DB. In a couple of years.
Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.
Holmgren was the GM for the first few years of the salary cap era. He absolutely did not understand the salary cap and only retired after he traded away every asset and hamstrung the Flyers financially for the next 5 years but yea, they did win a few rounds pretending the salary cap didn’t exist. He was the college kid throwing a party at his parents house but all everyone remembers is the party and not the mess left behind.
https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts
Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!
McDavid isn’t a defenseman either. It was awesome how all those 170 pound FLA Dmen were able to contain McD though. It’ll be interesting to see how Buium fits in Minnesota. The Flyers already had Drysdale for that role, I know that was a bad return in a bad spot, and needed a center more. The draft is done. Luchanko might still make the team this year. The Flyers can still use another guy who can play center.
Never said he was. Your arguments are a bit all over the place. So do you not care about size of forwards now? Is it the size on defense that contained McDavid or was it the defense backchecking like demons? Backchecking is not dependent on being huge. The puck is at ice level for everyone. Does skill matter at all in your world or is everyone Nick Seeler in a 6′ 200lb frame? It seems your position seems to change depending on the post.
Luchanko will definately make the team this year. Ready or not. Look how bad he was last year and they still tried to force him onto the roster. If he didn’t poop the bed so bad he might’ve gotten his 10 games in at least. It’s not like he had a stellar training camp either.
The Flyers could use a franchise center, franchise dman, and franchise goalie. You still haven’t addressed how the Flyers are going to acquire those necessary pieces.
Imagine Sanheim only having to be your #2 or #3 dman. Imagine Coots as your #2 center and Luchanko as your #3 center. Imagine, because that’s the only place you see the Flyers as a good team.
6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.
I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.
Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.
So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.
The Flyers are just going to outwork everyone to the Stanley Cup, talent be damned.
Yes, that’s the answer. Make the Ice Capades fans happy with lots of “puck moving” defensemen and highly skilled, speedy forwards who weigh less than most of the players on the US Women’s National Team. That’s a sure formula for a Cup win.
How about instead working off of a false premise that talent and hard work are mutually exclusive we agree that it takes talent and hard work to win the Stanley Cup?
Connor McDavid may be 6’1″ but he weighs 194, only a few more lbs than Buium and far less than your 200 lb minimum criteria to be on a cup team. Are those 6 lbs why the oilers didn’t win the cup last year? If he was only 5’11 do you not draft him because he’s not 6′ despite his amazing talent?
If you want amazing talent in a 6′ + frame, there’s only one place to get it, the top of the draft, where the Flyers refuse to go.
Barkov never hit UFA. Ekblad never hit UFA, Crosby never hit UFA, McKinnon never hit UFA, and so on and so on. Even Tkatchuk, had to both refuse to sign with the team and another top 5 pick player willing to go to Calgary for the types of players the Flyers do not have. Where do you think the Flyers are going to get these types of Stanley Cup players?
Despite your complaints that the Flyers just need to work harder, that’s exactly what the Flyers have been focusing on the last 3 years. The result :
https://www.nhl.com/news/philadelphia-flyers-relieve-john-tortorella-of-his-duties-as-head-coach
in bold is so comical. yep, not a big talent discrepancy at all.
yeah, maybe I will watch. then I can possibly learn. my guess it will tell me the same thing. flyers are 2000 lightyears away from any point of contention.
that is a truckload of players to move out. flyers can really set themselves up for the future by moving those 2. they have zero interest in moving RR. I hope they re-sign him. shit hope they re-sgin dvorak as well.
The Flyers are just going to outwork everyone to the Stanley Cup, talent be damned. That’s the message Torts and the Flyers have been peddling the last 3 years. It’s crazy how the Flyers and their fans are the only people who know this secret. That’s why they’ve been so successful. Just don’t let the rest of the league know.
::facepalm::
Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.
6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
Worst goaltending in the league mixed with a defense that ranked 29th out of 32 teams, and the only significant additions/changes were Dan Vladar & Noah Juulsen…
Counting on a goalie who’s never played more than 30 games in an NHL season (and will most likely be counted on to play closer to 40 or more than 30) with a career save percentage under .900 combined with a bad defense whose only addition is an AHL/NHL tweener doesn’t seem like much of an improvement plan to me. The old band aid on a severed arm cliche comes to mind.
Just shows how much of the Torts “myth” is a media creation, a Comcast production. They produced the shit out of that playoff run 2 years ago when they didn’t beat a division opponent for 3 months. He makes for good tv, not good hockey.
Not really an enigma. It will be bad. Maybe not as bad as last year but bad. No place to go but up really.
Briere panicing and trying to save the playoff run 2 years ago really backfired with that (relatively) huge contract sitting in the AHL this year.
@ yes its me 2050
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. For me they are headed down the right direction, you just have to continually build until you get the right combination of players, that’s a slow process. The Oilers had what, five 1st overall picks and they still haven’t won the Cup. From 2010 to 2015, inclusive, Florida drafted 3rd, 23rd, 2nd, 1st & 11th overall and it still took them eleven years after they drafted Barkov 2nd overall to get the right combo of players and coach. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong. They need to draft a #1 center though, or trade for one. All that being said, this is nowhere near a finished product, they just started.
The Oilers have been in the Stanley Cup final the last 2 years though so they are contenders. They just need to be better at building the rest of their roster to get over the hump. This keeps getting lost as it seems everyone wants instant gratification. Drafting the corner stone player starts the process, it doesn’t finish it. You don’t draft someone and think that the next year you are going to win a Stanley Cup. It will be years after the player is drafted and even then there is no guarantee. It takes sacrifice from the team to be able to draft those players. Do people think the Flyers, in a year or 2, are going to draft a McDavid or Crosby in the 2nd or 3rd round and the Flyers will be good to go? Lol
Also, let’s be clear, DB thought the Flyers roster was on the upswing last year before they pooped the bed. He spent the last 2 years getting rid of players Torts didn’t like and getting players he did before Torts gave him the 2 fingered salute on the way out of town. He’s announced they are done getting rid of players and are now in buy mode. For all those vaunted draft picks and rumors that the Flyers had plenty of ammo to move up to get a franchise player, it was never going to happen. Teams just don’t trade away the shot to get the franchise player who could be a corner stone for 20 years for quantity.
DB doesn’t know how to build a quality team but he’s got one of the best PR firms in the world with Comcast backstopping him. And unlike Fletcher, he’s media friendly so that buys him time. You don’t think he’s going to Fletcher this team and “bias for action” as soon as he has money especially after announcing their in buy mode? They are capped out now and will be capped out next year when DB is done. He may or may not make better choices than Fletcher but one thing is for sure true franchise centers and true franchise defensemen hitting FA are about as rare as top 3 draft picks being traded.
I hope they miss the playoffs for the next three years, and continue to sell off players to acquire picks at the deadline, that’s how you rebuild through the draft. You lose, a lot! San Jose is gonna be an absolute wagon of a team, they’re losing a lot, but drafting really well…be the Sharks!!
DB already announced that they are in buyer mode so i wouldn’t count on it.
flyers will easily 99.9% miss the playoffs. flyers have nothing in common with the any recent cup winners.
flyers strategy is completely flawed on how to build a team.
The Flyers continue to build on a foundation of quicksand and are always scratching their heads and are always surprised at the results.
