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So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games.
Dude, come on.
Yes, Matthews was drunk.
Two of his buddies thought it would be funny to sit in the back seat of the security guard’s car.
Then when she over-reacted, Matthews dropped his pants – BUT NOT HIS UNDEREWEAR – to mimic mooning her.
She subsequently looked for $$$$ by threatening to sue – claiming she had PTSD from her military service.
Sorry, but if you can’t handle that incident, you can’t handle being a security guard.
No arrests, police washed their hands of the entire thing.
JFC, are you really bringing this up again? It was a huge nothing burger, followed by a cash grab.
Sounds familiar.
99% huh? McLeod texted all the players in London asking if they wanted to come up to his room to join a 3-way. Most stayed away. A few came up but didn’t participate. 5 did. I think your math is a bit off.
Now you’re being willfully obtuse which is a common tactic among the usual suspects around here. He obviously didn’t literally mean 99%.
There are two sets of decisions, one in court and one by the league and teams.
The judge’s decision came down to her conclusion that EM was not drunk enough or afraid enough to invalidate her consent. The actions of the players was not in question.
The league and teams will decide simply on the basis of their behaviour. Do they believe that behaviour reflects the “highest standards of morality, honesty, fair play and sportsmanship and is not detrimental to the best interests of the team, league and professional hockey” as required in player contracts. I don’t think it’s obvious that Gary says yes. The fact that they’re fairly marginal players shouldn’t matter but probably will. The PA will appeal and who knows how long it might get drawn out. If they are allowed to play will any team sign them?
The NHL has already fucked these guys over by assuming their guilt and pulling them from the NHL while the case was pending. They already trampled over the presumption of innocence. Now they’re going to shit on them again even after they’re found not guilty. You want to talk about “high standards of morality”? That’s a load of shit for morality.
Define “highest standards of morality”. Good fucking luck. That’s a completely vague, subjective standard the NHL can use to fit whatever bullshit box they need it to fit in. It’s slimly, legalese terminology designed just to basically do whatever they want without having an actual definition.
The actions by these players happened SEVEN YEARS ago when they were in their late teens. They aren’t the same people anymore. They haven’t done anything “immoral” since even though that’s a stupid standard to have because morality is vague and different for everyone. There are people who think having children out of wedlock or divorce is immoral. We going to ban all those players? I think it’s immoral to brandish the flag of a group of people who advocate for the sexual mutilation of children and mascaraed it as “gender affirming health care”. Ban them too?
If they were found guilty, there might be an argument for a brief suspension but they were found not guilty. They have been out of the league for a long time. Consider that time served and let them resume their careers. Let the social justice warriors bitch and moan in the dog days of summer and after a week it’ll be forgotten in place of the next woke moral crisis.
Sure, if you’re a piece of shit.
What they did was still very suspect.
Everything about this case wreaks of failure. Two juries were dismissed, judge seemed to bias against the girl, many things were ruled inadmissible.
None of these guys will be signed by the leafs. I know ug loves his rapist and molesters, but sorry bud these sacks of crap arent going to be leafs. So save us the pages of your stupidity.Everything about your argument wreaks of stupidity, bias and adherence to the cult mentality. People like you are why the justice system exists, to protect people from idiots like you.
You wanted them to be guilty, you were wrong so now you’re going to pretend they’re guilty anyway, regardless of the facts and the outcome.
None of these players will help the leafs win…so who cares.
Leafs arent signing them…end of story.
Find something else to whine about.So, being the hypocrite that you are, when Matthews pulls his pants down in public like a drunken idiot, you don’t care because you beLeaf he will help the Leafs win games. But if the players aren’t good enough, ban them for life.
Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
This is kinda my point.. There is nothing to forgive.. The error here was made by
1) The initial police investigation(Which was half assed)
2) Hockey Canada
3) The crown prosecutor that decided to try the case based of a civil settlement that the players didnt even know about.The judge did everything but come out and call her a liar.
These guys had their names dragged through the mud and likely have permanent harm to their reputation when they did nothing wrong but party with the wrong.
The NHL is now saying they are ineligible to play because they has consensual sex with a woman. Guess they will need to shut the league down and suspend 99% of the players. My assumption at this point is consensual sex with a man puts you in a marginalized group and that then makes it ok.
I cannot believe I am on the same side of this argument as UG. I feel dirty.
Actually, being found not guilty and still being suspended makes them a minority group so to remain diverse, equitable and inclusive, they should be allowed to play.
Feels dirty to be correct? You’ll adapt.
Incorrect, they affect media, marketing, therefore, income. The amount of physical people no longer matter.
Yeah, because the Leafs lost billions of dollars, relocated the team and Matthews got traded when he pulled down his pants in public like a drunken loser in front of a female security guard. Oh wait…that never happened because they actually don’t. The building would still be full, ticket prices unchanged. The beers would be too. And the media deal will still be paid, in full. The amount of raging lunatics online (most of which don’t actually drive real revenue except for articles farming rage click bait) no longer matter. All it takes is for some time to pass and they move on to the next thing to rage about like a cat chasing a laser pointer. But yeah, physical people no longer matter, I’m sure the online bots that generate comments to sway the opinions of simpletons will start buying seasons tickets.
Many people here found ways of brushing it off like it didn’t matter. Why? Because the high and mighty morality police looked the other way when it’s an elite player but won’t afford the same for average players who were not only deemed NOT GUILTY but also have earned a second chance as this entire joke of a trial was for something that happened SEVEN YEARS ago and they’ve never done anything even remotely like that again since while under NHL contract. Matthews did that while under NHL contract at 22 after signing a huge contract and being a new face of the league, not as an 18 year old. But you and many others didn’t call for Matthews to be suspended, traded or ineligible to play. Patrick Kane? Casey Cizikas? Long list of players the SJW should be protesting but don’t. Because they don’t actually matter.
There’s millions of people who watch the Leafs because they love the Leafs and want to see the Leafs win. The same reasons that make millions of blind homers think losing elite players and replacing them with garbage will turn the tide and beLeaf “this is the year” will make them accept giving these players another chance if it improves the hockey team.
Sigh you don’t get it.
Doesn’t matter if YOU forgive them.
A HUGE portion of our population does not.
It’s actually not. It’s a very small, disproportionately loud group of lunatics.
One idea is to sign Carter Hart for a 1 year $1M contract, then trading Stolarz for a package of picks and or prospects. Stolarz is in the last year of his contract and he’s going to want a huge raise. Stolarz was very good last year, but as usual, has injury issues. It could also be his career season and at 31 years old, he may just become Jack Campbell 2.0. Leafs should consider Hart as a backup to Woll, who’ll be the #1 going forward.
Don’t think the Leafs would be willing to roll the dice with the goalie position especially with Woll still being a high risk for injury.
They could sign McLeod, Foote and Formenton as depth players because even if they bust out, you replace them cheap and quick. But if you trade Stolarz, then Woll gets hurt and all the pressure is on Hart to stand on his head? That’s a powder keg waiting to explode.
If and when they’re allowed to play again, Hart would probably prefer Edmonton anyway. It’s his hometown, they’d probably be more willing to take the risk on him given their goaltending issues. The Flyers also have question marks in net and he might just go back to the only organization he’s ever known.
This will be completely unpopular but….People are shitting on these guys because when they were kids they had a girl that wanted to party. 95% of 17-18 year olds would have done the same thing under the same circumstance. The only crime here was the fact that they lost years of salary. This has been a shit show clown circus right from the beginning.
It has nothing to do with “Hockey Culture” Almost any group of young single guys out for a night on the town meet a girl that is looking for some fun with all of them. Happens every weekend in any large city and university or college town in North America.
When this story came out before the trail there was an article that came out that claimed this whole thing got kicked off originally because the girls mom found out what happened. The way it was originally handled by the police and hockey Canada was laughable but the fact that prosecutors decided to pick the case up and re trail it was 100% political and as was seen in the trail the evidence was so week that this should never have even gone to trail.
100% correct. The rush to the moral high ground is virtue signaling which isn’t new or surprising among the usual suspects around here.
She was older than they were, she knew they were famous hockey players, she was down the entire time until she realized she had to come up with a giant lie to cover up the fact she was cheating on her boyfriend. She tried to make herself the anonymous victim, probably explored a way to exploit it for money too by forcing Hockey Canada to get dragged into this mess by paying her a settlement. Luckily, the legal system actually worked and the woke idiot mob didn’t get what they wanted.
Not. Guilty.
These guys are not the same people today they were when this all happened. And they’ll be the absolute last ones to ever try to do anything like this again because their careers and reputations have already been tarnished despite not being guilty.
The NHL literally has players that have killed people (manslaughter) before. Many might not know this but Casey Cizikas killed another kid during a rugby game. Nobody cares.
Despite what some idiots will want to believe, they’re not garbage people (currently) and they’re not garbage hockey players. They definitely have talent, they are in their prime years and they were found not guilty. Whatever circus the media will try to create to get these mouth breathing click bait idiots will go away after a few days. And then it’ll just be about hockey again.
If the Leafs signed these guys, the same morons that pretend they’d be appalled would cheer like 8 year old kids if they scored a playoff goal.
Maybe it’ll play out that way. I’m not arguing one way or the other. I just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as to say not guilty means they’re back. Teams will make their own decisions
There’s going to be a lot of teams that will stupidly blacklist these guys even after the NHL is done railroading them. I think the Leafs should use this opportunity to their advantage rather than be another sheep in the flock once they’re eligible.
They need a bottom-six center who can win FOs. That’s McLeod. Instant upgrade over Kampf. They need a bottom-six winger who can kill penalties, has a good frame and skates fast, younger, cheaper replacement for Jarnkrok. That’s Formenton. They need a big body with a big slapshot for the 3rd pairing and that can be Foote.
All 3 could probably be signed for 1 AAV or less and all 3 are going to have a chip on their shoulder with something to prove, knowing they can’t be irresponsible people without severe backlash.
Being found guilty means they’re not going to jail. The terms of the morals clause doesn’t say anything about criminal convictions – “highest standard of honesty, morality“, etc. If teams don’t think they’re worth the headache, they might impose. Obviously, the PA would intervene on behalf of the players. Yeah unions, amitite?
They pose no risk or headache as they have acted perfectly fine since the accusations were levied. Teams would be stupid to avoid quality hockey players for what would amount to a few days of whining from a bunch of cult minded losers on BlueSky.
The Leafs would be a better team with McLeod, Formenton and Foote and save a lot of cap space too. They’re not guilty and should be allowed to move forward with their lives after years of wrongful persecution and lost opportunity.
Even if deemed guilty in the court of public opinion, it gives them an opportunity to become ambassadors to teach people how not to make the same mistakes.
