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Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThat’s pretty incoherent AA. I have no clue what you’re trying to say. Too much Elderberry Wine me thinks.
As retarded as the real AA is, that’s another retard trying to do a poor parody. Probably Cush_29 or some other total loser retard.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantMarner has done fine in the playoffs with Vegas. The only issue is the quality of teams that Vegas has played so far. Once they get to Colorado, they’re going to get smoked. That team is the deepest team in the NHL. Outside of their average goaltending, the team is stacked. In the East, it’s Carolina’s to lose. They’ve also had a very easy run, to get where they are. Ottawa and Philadelphia are decent teams, but not championship caliber. Once Buffalo and Montreal kill each other, Carolina should easily get to the finals. Once there, Colorado should take them out in 6 games. It’s looking pretty predictable right now.
The Leafs fumbled many “low quality” teams. The Boston teams that the Leafs lost to all the time weren’t THAT good. They just worked harder than the Leafs. The Leafs blew a 3-1 series lead to Montreal. Missed the playoffs losing to Columbus.
Minnesota isn’t finished yet. They might get Colorado to switch goalies and that is their biggest weakness. Any team that stops getting saves, usually falls apart pretty fast. They can only win high scoring games 9-6 so many times.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantIt was classic John Tortorella.
Asked about the play of Mitch Marner in the aftermath of his hat trick in Game 3 on Friday night against the Anaheim Ducks, the fiery Vegas Golden Knights coach decided to take the question in a unique direction.
“You guys don’t see the stuff he does,” Tortorella told reporters Saturday. “People here, people in Toronto, all the people that talk about this guy, they don’t see any of the things that he brings to a game even if he doesn’t score a goal. I’ve known that coaching against him.
“That narrative (that Marner struggles in the playoffs) is a bunch of (expletive). Like I said last night, Mitch doesn’t care. Mitch is a pro. He’s a terrific player, one of the top players in this league and he plays for us.”
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantFun fact: Auston Matthews has never scored 6 playoff goals and 14 playoff points in one playoff run. Just sayin’.
I love how the Marner Derangement Syndrome retards thought Torts being hired in Vegas was going to be a disaster for Marner. Meanwhile, in reality, Torts is praising him as confident and playing with the proper mindset. It’s amazing what encouraging your best players can do instead of blaming them for everything and running them out of town. Marner is playing nearly 21 minutes a night, in all situations (scoring points short handed), 2nd only to Eichel in ice time but leading the league in points and tied for the lead in goals. Eichel is doing his best Matthews impersonation with only 1 goal in the entire playoffs so far. Just imagine if Eichel starts playing up to his maximum potential and Mark Stone, who has also been below his best, knocks it up into a higher gear too.
Also pretty funny seeing Fred Andersen as the #1 playoff goalie thus far with a perfect 7-0 record and .957 SV%. Another guy the Leafs just quit on that is making them look absolutely retarded. Granted, he has played vs. some weak competition so his numbers are probably a bit inflated but he’s once again proving to be fully capable behind a team that doesn’t burden him with making 35-40 saves a night. If only the Leafs knew how to forecheck, backcheck and outwork your opponents.
Vegas won’t win the Cup this year but it won’t be because of Marner. He’s done his fair share of heavy lifting and as we’ve seen with McDavid, one guy doesn’t win a Cup by himself. They’ve struggled with goaltending all year long and while Hart has been better of late, he does allow some shitters. It’s hard seeing anybody beating Colorado this year except maybe Carolina as that appears to be the Final in waiting. Both Colorado and Carolina will win because of their insane depth and/or high pressure style of play.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantGuess who has now had TWO, count them, TWO good games now these playoffs???!
Yup, leads the NHL in goals and points in the playoffs with only two good games.
Pure retard.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantDamn, that Marner, what a trash player. Only had a hat trick and four points. Never shows up in the playoffs.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantThe sad part about Carolina is why are they still there? They’ve been a consistent playoff team for a very long time. If that team were in Quebec City, it would be rampant and the fanbase would be reactionary like the Leafs and Habs fanbases. Bettman is a dwarf and doesn’t understand the Canadian hockey economics. It will never change. They’d rather be in the land of the Confederacy than in the home of hardcore hockey. He worries about places like Atlanta and Phoenix, where there’s been nothing but red ink. So much wasted equalization payments, when they could have a great fanbase. It’s the biggest travesty in sports.
Carolina is still there because they fill a geographical market the league wants for TV ratings. It’s not a big population, there aren’t big corporate sponsors but it’s still valuable for the NHL to be able to broadcast games in that part of the US because even the worst US state is better than pretty much every Canadian province for GDP. The Canadian dollar is weak. The stadium isn’t that big. The population isn’t that big. The corporate dollars aren’t that big and are fleeing Canada at record rates. With the French supremacy mentality, the players are less likely to want to play there with their ownership, fans and media expecting everybody to speak and do things the Quebec French way.
Bettman doesn’t give a fuck about you. There are 32 owners he cares about because his job is to maximize their profits and more importantly his job is to maximize franchise value. That means relocation doesn’t make him a dime unless the team is seriously underwater like Phoenix and Atlanta were. Expansion makes the league huge dollars in expansion fees and in raising franchise value. Even teams like Carolina, that probably break even every year, make huge money on year over year franchise value increases. It’s like real estate for billionaires. They buy something for 400 million and 8 years later it’s worth 2 billion. If they made 0 dollars in profits for 10 years, it doesn’t matter because they increased the value in the franchise by 1.6 billion. Then, they can use that high value asset to borrow money against and invest it into other projects. Rinse, repeat.
You also have to have Canadian billionaires (Americans don’t own Canadian teams) that want to own franchises in Canada knowing full well their money is better off invested outside of Canada. The Canadian hockey market is already pretty much maxed out. The biggest cities already have teams and the cities that don’t have teams, probably couldn’t sustain it. The average person in Canada can barely survive these days, they won’t be running out to spend huge amounts of money on season tickets and merchandise on a new team. Another team in the GTA would work if not for the Leafs absolutely always vetoing it because they enjoy their monopoly. But teams in Quebec City, Nova Scotia, Regina; those are really hard to make a reality in Canada right now. Maybe if Brookfield Environmental Scammers weren’t running the country, the Canadian dollar and economy could handle another franchise or two, but right now, they’re fucked like the rest of the country.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantFuck Buffalo. Hated them since 1999. The fans are good but fuck that franchise. Nice jerseys though.
Fuck Montreal too. Hope Carolina steamrolls either one.
Carolina, the team, plays great hockey. Their fans barely exist and even leave the building half empty in double OT of a playoff game. But Brind’Amour runs a great team. They deserve it.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantGoal 1 he overplayed the player behind the goal line and left the eventual goal scorer wide open right in front of the net.
Your analysis is that of a retard.
Goal #1 was not his fault. Hutton and Korczak are the bottom pair D. They play 12 and 10 minutes per game for a reason. They made a mess of the dump in, Hutton went to the wall as Korczak played a reverse poorly leaving Marner stuck trying to cover between the puck carrier behind the net and an open man in front. Hutton was along the boards instead of in front of the net and Stone was caught between two guys on the backcheck.
Goal 2 coasting on the back check but not all his fault.
Goal #2, he was the furthest player from his own net, forechecking deep into the Anaheim zone. The fact that he even got back into the picture is a miracle. Clearly the fault on the 2nd goal was mostly Rasmus Andersson doing his best impression of Morgan Rielly’s puck watching. Doesn’t cover the man. Doesn’t get the puck. Just going in circles. Again, zero fault on Marner.
Goal 3 Brutal pass into the skates of his teammate that bounces to Harkins for the easy empty netter.
Wrong again retard. The pass was not intended for Karlsson AT ALL. It was intended for Eichel on the opposite side of the ice. Karlsson, having missed most of the season, probably didn’t realize he was supposed to let the puck go between his legs and instead kicked it, creating a turnover and an easy empty net. You can literally see Marner pointing at Eichel as Karlsson kicks the puck as if to tell him “No, that pass was for EICHEL, not for you”.
Very good game 1, absolutely brutal game 2.
Very good Game 1 and not to blame for Game 2. Vegas did not play it’s best game and Anaheim had it’s best defensive effort of the entire season. Coach Q is doing a great job. He ain’t no Berube.
The best part is the dry haired glares he gives teammates after he was a big part of the fuck up.
The best part is you exposing yourself as too fucking stupid to know what you’re looking at. More evidence that you have no fucking idea what you’re watching, just blue and white delusions and irrational Marner hatred after getting dumped.
Be interesting to see how effective he is when he plays an actual cup contender like he had to all those years in the Atlantic.
He’s already been very effective, GWG Game 6, point per game, +4, into the 2nd round after year one on a new team, heavily hit by injuries and shit goaltending while Matthews and Nylander are watching the draft lottery, wondering where they’ll be golfing and playing next. Maybe they’ll be joining Marner in Vegas soon.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantNo multiple paragraphs of a Marner update today.
Well he was -3 in a 3-1 loss
Goal 1 he overplayed the player behind the goal line and left the eventual goal scorer wide open right in front of the net.
Goal 2 coasting on the back check but not all his fault
Goal 3 Brutal pass into the skates of his teammate that bounces to Harkins for the easy empty netter.
Very good game 1, absolutely brutal game 2.
The best part is the dry haired glares he gives teammates after he was a big part of the fuck up.
Be interesting to see how effective he is when he plays an actual cup contender like he had to all those years in the Atlantic.
Nylander and Matthews have looked great in the playoffs this year.
Unholy_Goalie
Participantlistening to Chayka in interviews, he sounds better than what you heard from Treliving.
Low bar I know. but Ill take it at this pointNothing much will happen until the draft and free agency. I’m still a proponent of taking the best player available, which the consensus pick being McKenna. The issue with trading down, you get into a scenario like 2016. The first overall pick, Matthews vs the second overall pick, Lainie. Same could be said about 1984, when Lemieux went first overall and Kirk Muller went number 2. Take the first pick and bank it as a cornerstone of your franchise. If you Fuck around, you find out.
McKenna is not the consensus #1 pick. He’s not McDavid, he’s not MacKinnon, he’s not Matthews, or Crosby or Ovechkin or even Celebrini. He’s not a generational superstar player. There is plenty of debate and merit behind taking Stenberg over McKenna because he plays a more complete game. That’s exactly why this is a good scenario to trade down if possible.
McKenna could just as easily become Alexis Lafreniere or Nico Hischier or Juraj Slafkovsky or Taylor Hall. Not terrible players but not the best player from their draft either. And in every one of those scenarios, had those teams traded down, they could have picked a better player plus gained assets. It’s up to the scouting department to make that expert analysis and see the value.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantI feel a lot better these last few days, from just HOPING we can hang out to the 5th overall to knowing that we’re getting a really solid player (regardless of who we choose). I lean towards McKenna. Yeah, he’s on the small side, but he’s 18 and is likely still growing and will fill out. Biggest thing is he’s not a pussy like Matthews/Nylander/Marner.
I heard talk of trading Knies now that we’ll (likely) have McKenna. Fuck that, Knies is a stud, and he’s got 3″ and almost 60lbs on Gavin. We need both.
McKenna absolutely plays like a pussy and he’s definitely built like one in NHL terms. His drunken street fight doesn’t change how he plays on the ice. All the things retards accuse Marner of not doing is how McKenna plays the game. He’s a small, perimeter player who avoids contact and the dirty areas of the ice. Also, when a player refuses to play defense, it’s usually because they’re either lazy or a pussy or both. On that front, neither Matthews nor Marner play like a pussy defensively because they actually get back and defend which requires extra effort, determination and discipline. Nylander and McKenna are floaters who hope they can score one more than their opponents can and usually it ends with them losing when it matters.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantI agree its just risky to get cute and trade down or pick another player #1 like one of the Dmen.
from the sounds of it, this is a bit stronger draft overall, at least top 10. but no clear #1 no brainer which makes it toughthis is good….but just words for now
John Chayka on the resources available to him as Leafs GM: “The directive from Edward Rogers to me is to do whatever it takes to win a Stanley CupIt’s actually not that risky to trade down if done for the correct reasons. In 2017, Nolan Patrick was “the guy”. Until he wasn’t and the Devils picked Hischier. Turns out, they were both wrong because Makar went 4th and Heiskanen went 3rd. It’s up to the scouting department to gather as much information as possible and make the right pick. If the Devils had traded down to 4th and taken Makar, that’s a “risk” that turns into Stanley Cups.
That’s a blatant PR line. If the directive really was to do whatever it takes to win a Cup, they would have never hired Chayka and Sundin as the pair to do it nor would Pelley be the one hiring them.
Unholy_Goalie
Participanttrading down.
Nylander got too much time left on his contract to retain %50 even with the cap going up 104M but could also be used to reach the cap floor.I think they would have very little interest in trading down. They also don’t have another 1st to trade. Unless they trade their 1st for next year which could be a lottery pick because they could suck again so they would either not give it up or top 5 protect it.
Nylander is signed until 2030. 50% retained for an extra 1st or a top prospect is worth it. Leafs won’t need the cap space until 2030 anyway if they blow up the team. The floor would be way over 80 AAV by then.
Unholy_Goalie
ParticipantChicago would be my prevered trading partner if possible.
For trading down to or for trading Matthews and Nylander?
They already have Bedard and have tanked multiple times. Don’t think they care enough about McKenna or Stenberg to trade up. Also, they probably want to push to make the playoffs so they’d be more likely to trade for established guys like Matthews and Nylander than another 18 year old.
I think if the Leafs retain 50% on Matthews and Nylander, they could create a huge bidding war. Every single contender would be throwing the farm at us for either one for a cap hit under 7 AAV.
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