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Get a bit of an Alexis Lafreniere feeling from McKenna. McKenna is tiny, he can’t play defense, his effort has been shit at times, especially when things get tough from what I saw at the WJC. Seems to be a runner up despite everybody saying he’s the best player on the ice and a scoring machine. I’ve seen that movie before in Toronto. It doesn’t end well.
Stenberg isn’t that much bigger (20lbs heavier though) but his stats from the SHL show he put up more points than H. Sedin, Backstrom, Carlsson and Lindholm at 18 and he can play two-way hockey. He also comes from a pretty solid hockey family, his dad played pro in Sweden, his older brother is about to be a full time NHLer with St. Louis and his younger brother is also a top prospect for his age. Could be a little bit of Swedish Staal brothers going on here. Question mark with him is how well he can play on the smaller ice but he did play pretty good on smaller ice at the WJC and won the Gold.
If the Leafs don’t trade down, Sundin may be the swing vote to go Swedish on this one and I wouldn’t blame him. I don’t think either one of them are guaranteed superstars in the NHL. Neither one makes the Leafs a contender overnight and both should probably continue development rather than jump directly into the NHL and play 82 games.
But trading down for a RHD like Chase Reid or Keaton Verhoeff would be very nice. Both look like they could fill a huge gap in the Leafs prospect pool as either mobile, offensive D or huge, two-way D with a big shot from the point. That plus another good asset whether it’s a late 1st round pick or a multitude of picks could help restock the Leafs farm system which is pretty much empty. Just don’t think anybody is desperate enough for McKenna to trade that much to move up.
The only teams that could make it work is the Rangers or the Canucks. They both have top 5 picks and a late 1st round pick. Considering the Leafs don’t have their own 1st in the next two drafts, getting another 1st to trade down a couple spots and still end up with a solid RHD top prospect would be a good deal.
Cap ceiling is confirmed up to 104 million per year. Cap floor is 76.9 AAV. Max salary is now 20.8 AAV.
Trade Rielly to Van for Petterson if Van Retains 2mil
add remove whatever makes it feel more evenEw. No.
Sundin should only bring the good Swedes. The shit ones can stay in Vanpoover.
Unfortunately, I think Matthews gets you none of those packages. Constant injuries, and a contract way out of line with his performance diminishes that return significantly. I still think he has to go.
The LA proposal would be the closest but I would be thrilled to get Byfield and 1 first, nevermind 2.
This is incorrect.
Matthews still has insane value. The majority of contenders would throw the Leafs all kinds of future picks, prospects and young roster players to acquire him. It makes A LOT of sense to trade Matthews at the 2027 draft for maximum value. A realistic return on Matthews would be very, very good. Here are the reasons why.
Any team that acquires Matthews would only have to pay him 450K in real dollars. Yes, that’s right, 450K for one of the best snipers of this generation. With Matthews’ salary being almost entirely upfront signing bonuses, whatever team acquires Matthews will pay him next to nothing in real dollars. Additionally, if the Leafs retain 50% of his cap hit (who cares, they would be rebuilding if they trade him anyway) then his cap hit will be an absurd 6.625 AAV. And then, if all of that wasn’t already good enough, whatever team acquires him has the time to negotiate an 8 year extension which he might finally accept as he exits his prime years. This allows any team that acquires him to “go for it” with Matthews making peanuts in real dollars and a 50% cap hit discount for 1 year as a rental and/or add him long term with time to make the space for him to fit.
Now imagine a scenario where Utah, Anaheim, LA or San Jose want Matthews to contend with the big boys in the West and the other big boys in the West find out about that. Do you think Colorado could move 6.625 AAV to acquire Matthews, even as a 1 year rental? Same goes for Dallas, Minnesota, Vegas and Edmonton. You could have 6-8 teams in the West throwing offers at you left, right and center, all trying to out bid the other contenders in the West. And then, you might have some insane offer from one or two teams in the East if a contender wants to make a huge splash like Carolina.
If you look at what Rantanen got (Stankoven (under 23 roster player), two 1sts and two 3rds), Matthews could easily get that as an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM and probably get way more through a bidding war and contract retention is 50%.
I think two 1st round picks, a bluechip top prospect and a young (under 23) roster player is fair value for Matthews with a 6.625 cap hit and exclusive rights to negotiate an 8 year extension. Basically, four 1st round picks which would be standard value for a high value player signing an offer sheet as an example.
Leafs could do the same with Nylander by retaining 50% of his salary. If the Leafs are rebuilding, the cap hit will help them reach the floor and his new team will get Nylander for 5.75 AAV which again makes him insanely valuable to a contender who would have to pay a premium for that kind of talent and the reduced cap hit. Another minimum of three 1st round pick level assets.
Leafs really dont have a choice now but to try and get back to the playoffs.
I am not convinced Matthews wants out, and I understand if he wants to be on a team that is going for it.I think you keep him (and Nylander) for this coming season and see how it plays out. And if you cant sign AM, you move him after the season or TDL whatever.
Having #1 pick changes a lot
The division is even stronger now. Making the playoffs is a pipe dream. Matthews does want to “go for it” but the Leafs don’t have anything to trade to change the team. UFAs won’t fix this team, they won’t want to sign here without a massive overpayment and the Leafs have already made that mistake too many times to count.
Matthews should want out and the Leafs should want to move him too. It’s what is best for both parties. Matthews just needs to have one good season to rebuild his value and then he should be gone. Nylander should be right behind him out the door for all the same reasons but less valuable given his obvious flaws of never playing defense.
I see the pedo is on here with his xbox NHL 26 trade suggestions.
Get back to reality, loser.I think Stenberg is the better option, or trade down for a dman and get an extra pick.
The leafs arent trading matthews unless he says he wants out.
I see FakeAOC is still a complete libtard.
Matthews should want out and the Leafs would be way better off trading him than running out the last two years of his deal being mediocre. They need a rebuild and Matthews needs a new team. He’s become Phil Kessel. Leafs need the future assets more than they need one guy who can’t win a Cup by himself. Same goes for Nylander.
If the Leafs had a GM who knew how to win trades, they could rebuild this team by 2031.
Rebuild 2031:
2026: Trade down with NYR or VAN (hopefully they’re retarded). Draft Verhoeff and Hurlbert. Both go back to develop for 2-3 years.
2027: TDL: Carlo and OEL for one 1st round pick each. Rebuild Matthews and Nylander value. Finish 9th.
2028: TDL: McCabe, Tanev, Tavares, Matthews (50% retained) and Nylander (50% retained) for least seven pieces (1st round picks, top prospects, young roster players).
2029: Tank, lottery pick.
2030: Tank, lottery pick.2031-2033:
Knies | Lottery 2030 | Top Prospect (Nylander Trade)
Hurlbert | Top Prospect (Matthews Trade) | 1st round pick (Matthews Trade)
Cowan | 1st round pick (Tavares Trade)| 1st round pick (Tanev Trade)
1st round pick (Roy Trade) | 1st round pick (McCabe Trade) | 1st round pick (Carlo Trade)Lottery 2029 | Verhoeff
1st round pick (Nylander Trade) | 1st round pick (Matthews Trade)
1st round pick (OEL Trade) | DanfordYou know as well as I do, Pelly isn’t going anywhere. We’re stuck with this clown for years to come. The way it’s set up, Chayka does what Pelly says and Sundin is the wing man that puts out fires. The way it’s set up, when the team is going nowhere again next year, the Coach gets it first. Two year from now, if the team isn’t making moves towards a playoff spot, Chayka gets the gas chamber. Pelly stays untouched. He’s purely the Head of the politburo and can only be taken out via an internal power-struggle. It’s going to be a gut-wrenching year coming up. At least Boston and Florida got fucked for a change.
Pelley’s job isn’t that safe. The average fan knows he’s an idiot and all non-Rogers media says it openly too. Rogers could fire him tomorrow if he fails at his job and public sentiment is strong enough. If the team still sucks next year, people boo, throw jerseys on the ice, ticket sales dip, ratings drop, general mood among fans is negative like it was yesterday etc. he could get fired within the next year or two. If Matthews wants out, the owners will be pissed and probably blame him for that too because even the owners know that if the best player leaves, there’s hell to pay.
Pelley is too face forward and involved to escape hiding behind Chayka. If Chayka fails, Pelley is done making major decisions in hockey even if he doesn’t get fired from his position, the owners could put somebody in charge of hockey that doesn’t have to answer to Pelley.
You know what else totally sucks? Losing this years draft pick and Boston picking at #6. No first rounder and no top prospect for rebuilding. It would have meant trading Matthews and Nylander for picks and a minimum 7 year rebuild. No prospects in the system, probably forfeiting another top 5 pick to Philadelphia next year. The team would have flatlined next year, with still no top prospect in the system. Now, they have one. Would they have gotten the 1st overall in 2028? The odds say no. Ask Vancouver who now picks 3rd this year, with the worst record in hockey. The retool starts now.
Yes, it does suck however this just kicks the can down the road. To rebuild properly, the Leafs were better off punting this pick and the 2027 pick and then going full rebuild 2028-2030 after trading Matthews and Nylander at the 2027 draft. That allows you to recover maximum value for Matthews and Nylander and it allows the Leafs to draft players in consecutive years so that the core develops, grows and builds the team together. A rebuild takes 5-7 years anyway but if you do it in consecutive years, the age of the players is closer together and lowers the risk of the early draft picks becoming UFAs or too old before the final pieces come together.
The retool will lead to mediocrity and a half ass rebuild especially with Pelley and his band of idiots running the team.
Last hope is that Matthews refuses to return and forces the dominoes to fall so both he and Nylander get traded ASAP as I laid out earlier.
I really wish you would stop using that word.
Absolutely not happening. Perfectly good word. No need to become a woke bitch over words. Don’t see you crying about anybody saying idiot or moron and yet they’re just as “offensive” as retard because they were also used in classifying the mentally challenged.
Yeah they are missing so many picks, the only real way to “rebuild” even is to trade Matthews and Nylander in their prime when the cap is about to go up and they can be afforded. I just don’t see any hope that they can re-tool and compete now or rebuild with so few young assets now or in the near future.
They have nothing at all on defense. It needs a complete overhaul.
Yup, the “rebuild” works better if you have picks after you trade all your best players. But tanking with no picks is worthless. And the Leafs would need at least 3 straight years of lottery picks plus a huge haul for Matthews and Nylander (another 4-5 1st round picks) to rebuild this team correctly.
They’re fucked. They have no clear path to a retool or a rebuild and it seems pretty obvious they are hellbent on running this shit team back until Pelley gets fired.
OK, there is a reason that McKenna is the consensus number 1 pick. The Leafs have to take the best player available, regardless of position. The Leafs have too many holes and have to start filling them. The Leafs do have Colorado’s first rounder next year. If the Leafs can finish in the middle of the pack, Boston gets to pick around 15 or 16. Still, the Leafs have that 1st via the Roy trade. The Leafs goaltending is good. 4 NHL caliber goaltenders on the Leafs and the AHL. The Leafs can also go into free agency and grab a player like Tampa’s Raddysh. A healthy Tanev, McCabe and OEL, plus Carlo give them a decent top 4. If their health stays good, they can compete for a playoff spot, beating out the likes of Boston and Ottawa. Rielly has to be gone, no if’s and’s or buts. The Leafs also need a healthy Matthews, Knies and Nylander. There needs to be another top 6 forward added to make them competitive. Next year could be a breakout year for Cowan. Health is what is important and maybe it’s time to hire Gary Roberts as their health and fitness coach. With a top end prospect in the mix, next year could go OK, if the injury bug stays away. They do have a goaltender surplus so there could be players incoming, or draft picks for next year. Now is not the time to move the top draft pick, unless it’s for a top 3 and a first the year after next. It’s about asset management and addition through subtraction. I’m not sold on the head coach.
McKenna is not the consensus #1 pick. There are plenty of people saying Stenberg is the better overall player because he can actually play two-way hockey and played pro in Sweden with good offense too. Plus, the Sundin factor. He might go with the Swede. Also, the priority is always placed on Canadian players to be the #1 pick in the Canadian sports media, now more than ever. But there are other options. Looking at how Hughes and Makar are dominating the Avs vs. Wild game right now, you could easily argue Reid is the #1 pick if he can be a game breaking offensive RHD.
Do you think they regret taking Hischier or Patrick over Heiskanen or Makar in 2017?
The Colorado 1st round pick will probably be 30th or worse. That’s a long term depth player. If the Leafs trade down, they can fill the cupboard faster and still get a top prospect.
Leafs goaltending is A) not good and B) not healthy or reliable. One injury away from being a lottery team again.
Winning the lottery *should* lead to trading Matthews and Nylander, and proceeding with an actual rebuild, hopefully getting a franchise D (somehow) and replenishing a few picks.
What will happen is they will try to re-tool and continue to make a mess of it.
There is no way this team is better than ANY other team in the Atlantic. I am not sure they are even close to anyone.
A retard would read this and ask you if you are Steve Simmons.
But you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, because they can’t tank again until 2029, this rather fucks things up.
iv never seen anyone say that. why do you keep saying it. nobody is thinking 1 player fixes a team.
a #1 pick in your hand is better than 2 unknowns. they werent rebuilding yet anyway.Having #1 gives a lot more options and opens lots of interesting possibilities, if they chose to go that route
A generational player can fix a team especially if it was on the blueline where the Leafs need the most help. McKenna isn’t that guy. Wrong skill set, wrong position, wrong player.
Their options are to rebuild or to not rebuild. This will only push them further down the road of retool which will fail and delay the inevitable.
If they had given Boston this pick and the Flyers the next one, they could have traded Matthews at the 2027 draft and gone on a consecutive run of tanks. This only disrupts the rebuild unless they trade down and fire sale the team which they won’t do because Pelley thinks they can retool.
There is literally zero downside to having the first overall pick.
The downside is if they make an error on how to manage it which the Leafs almost always do.
This management team of inexperience and retards will find a way to fuck it up as the previous one did during the Matthews era.
Marner is also a massive vagina with zero grit or physical game. McKenna is breaking people’s jaws in the bar at night. I’ll take that any day over a guy who won’t even hit anyone with his purse.
Marner is winning games for Vegas while the Leafs are shit without him. You’re too retarded to actually watch the games where he wins battles along the boards and goes to the front of the net.
Let’s see McKenna try that shit on guys NHL sized and not some drunk random idiot. Won’t happen because he’s a midget by NHL standards and unlike Marner plays ZERO defense.
