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Here’s a team of players the Leafs drafted or acquired through the rebuild:
Hyman | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Kadri | Nylander
Verhaeghe | Minten | Cowan
Robertson | Carrick | Brown
Holmberg | GrundstromRielly | Durzi
Sandin | Liljegren
Benoit | Schenn
DanfordWoll | Hildeby
And then there’s the prospects whom the Leafs could have selected with 1st round picks that the Leafs have traded away in deadline day vain…
2019 1st round pick traded for Muzzin: Connor McMichael
2020 1st round pick traded to dump Marleau : Seth Jarvis
2021 1st round pick traded for Foligno: Josh Doan
2022 1st round pick traded to dump Mrazek: Sam Rinzel (Lane Hutson went in the 2nd round so he was “available”)
2023 1st round pick traded for ROR: Otto Stenberg (method of picking Easton Cowan if they didn’t trade Sandin)
2025 1st round pick traded for McCabe: Henry Brzustewicz
2026 1st round pick traded for Carlo: ?
2027 1st round pick traded for Laughton: ?
2028 1st round pick slide: ?How many of them are actually still on the team vs. contributing somewhere else?
Now just imagine if A) the Leafs knew how to draft better outside of the 1st round lottery (especially on defense) and B) knew how to hang on to their own players.
With the Leafs scrambling to find a new GM after Mehta went to New Jersey, the names popping up are interesting.
Mike Gillis should automatically be disqualified. For a “veteran” of the executive world, he has accomplished nothing this franchise should be seeking. He’s been out of a job for a long time and the last time he had a job, he was a loser that was unable to return to the Final. In fact, his team basically crumbled into the disaster it has become today, slowly and painfully. That’s exactly what he would do in Toronto. He’s the worst possible hire and it’s exactly why he’s probably the #1 target.
Mats Sundin is an example of a franchise that has no hope of the future to sell so they turn to sell nostalgia. Sundin might have an eye for talent but leave him as a scout in Sweden. He has no executive experience and he’s better off being associated with the Leafs in a role that has little to no power. Very good player but wrong guy for this job.
Gary Roberts’ name has also appeared. Again, great player but not built to be an executive. He’s a great personal trainer but that’s all he should be hired for.
John Chayka is a name that has been mentioned because he’s a numbers wizard. The same problem I had with Mehta as GM without a legit hockey mind above him would apply to Chayka. I would have no problem hiring him to be the most overpaid assistant GM but this guy can’t be the top of the food chain of hockey related decisions. There would need to be a legit President of Hockey Ops above him.
Chris Pronger is a legit hockey mind, proven winner on the ice with high hockey IQ but probably doesn’t understand the day to day operations of being a GM with contracts and advanced stats or scouting. Pronger is the type of guy you put as VP to Hockey Ops because you want his input but he’s not the best guy to get the day to day workings done. He’s also lightly experienced as an executive.
Ron Francis has freshly quit Seattle after a few years is an example of an experienced executive who could become President of Hockey Ops. He’s the experienced hockey mind in the room who knew what it took to win a Cup on the ice. The team he built in Carolina wasn’t too bad and his connections to guys like Rod Brind’Amour are greatly valuable in the future.
Pridham and Hardy are two guys who work well exactly where they are now. They serve a purpose but not who we need to promote at this moment with much bigger fish out there to hire.
Ross Mahoney is a name that most people don’t know about but would he be a big asset as GM. He’s been the head of scouting for the Capitals for 14 years and an assistant GM for 12 years. The Leafs absolute suck at drafting and developing players and bringing in a guy who understands the draft would be crucial. He’s about to be 70 but with so many young guys in the system, he could run the team for a few years and then the Leafs could promote from within after they’re set on the right track.
Ryan Bowness is another less known name but has been around scouting for awhile. He’s another young guy who has been with the Penguins, Senators and Islanders. Son of Rick, he’s been in hockey his entire life and his drafting record is pretty strong. He’s also been the assistant GM in Ottawa and in Long Island so you’ll have to overpay him to jump ship but he could be a future promotion from within once the Leafs scouting and player development is on track.
President of Hockey Ops: Ron Francis
– Figure head, hockey mind, talks to the media, reports to Pelley, keeps him the fuck away from the team and has a direct connection to Rod Brind’Amour for future recruitment.
VP of Hockey Ops: Chris Pronger
– Learns the ropes as an executive, brings a great hockey mind to decisions being made, knows what a winner looks like on the ice, doesn’t build a pussy ass team.
General Manager: Ross Mahoney
– Runs day to day operations from contracts to trade talks. Understands hockey from the draft outward which is the most important key to success in this rebuild.
Director of Analytics: John Chayka
– Grossly overpay this guy to take the role below GM but give him the chance to be promoted if he succeeds. Runs all the numbers on everything.
Capologist: Brandon Prindham
– Keeps the Leafs under the cap, gives him more time to prove he can be promoted.
Assistant GM / GM of the Marlies: Ryan Hardy
– Continues to run the Marlies with the addition of more prospects for player development. Given the opportunity to be promoted from within in time.
Director of Scouting: Ryan Bowness
– Attacks the draft, rebuilds the Leafs farm system, another future candidate for promotion.
Tanking Head Coach: Craig Berube.
– Tanks the team but builds accountability.
Future Real Head Coach 2029: Rod Brind’Amour.
– Takes over the team of the future and runs them like a machine.
Janitor: Mike Gillis
– Fucks off and is never hired by the Leafs.
If the Leafs were to grossly overpay this executive team (5+ million each, 30-40 million total which you can take away from the roster while you rebuild), I don’t think any one of them would refuse that type of money, regardless of their role. That to me is a team of hockey minds, executives and professionals that can turn this franchise around with a proper rebuild.
Trade Matthews and Nylander at the 2027 draft. Trade everybody else over 25 at the deadline / the draft. Tank in 2028. Tank in 2029. Offer McDavid max money in July 2029. Sign Brind’Amour as head coach.
That’s the rebuild plan.
I take it he too shit for St. Louis.
I take it he too shit for Pittsburg also eh!..Well, let’s take a quick look at all the facts then…
Pittsburgh first traded him for Kessel when the Leafs started the rebuild. Leafs got one of the fastest skaters in the NHL who showed he could score 10-15-20 goals and 30-40 points. Pittsburgh gave up a 1st to get him back from the Leafs, which was pretty stupid on the Leafs part because they should have just kept the small, speedy winger instead of trying to draft another one for no good reason. Then, Pittsburgh lost him on waivers to St. Louis and St. Louis lost him on waivers to Edmonton. Pittsburgh looks like a typical Dubas playoff team, about to get knocked out quick. And St. Louis is in shambles, ready to rebuild. So if those two teams didn’t see value, it’s no surprise considering the results. Edmonton has put his skills to good use.
Still, one of the fastest skaters in the NHL, playing in a bottom-six role at 1.3 AAV, I’d rather have him than Robertson who is tiny, can barely skate and doesn’t seem to be improving either. Or Jarnkrok. Or Joshua. I’m not going to pretend he’s Verhaeghe, but it just seems like the players the Leafs discard seem to still provide value while their replacements in Toronto fall flat on their face like Maccelli and Roy trying to replace Marner.
Like I’ve said before, if the Leafs had kept the players they drafted or acquired during their rebuild, their team would be better off today than what they did.
Here’s a team of players the Leafs drafted or acquired through the rebuild:
Hyman | Matthews | Marner
Knies | Kadri | Nylander
Verhaeghe | Minten | Cowan
Robertson | Carrick | Brown
Holmberg | GrundstromRielly | Durzi
Sandin | Liljegren
Benoit | Schenn
DanfordWoll | Hildeby
And then there’s the prospects whom the Leafs could have selected with 1st round picks that the Leafs have traded away in deadline day vain…
2019 1st round pick traded for Muzzin: Connor McMichael
2020 1st round pick traded to dump Marleau : Seth Jarvis
2021 1st round pick traded for Foligno: Josh Doan
2022 1st round pick traded to dump Mrazek: Sam Rinzel (Lane Hutson went in the 2nd round so he was “available”)
2023 1st round pick traded for ROR: Otto Stenberg (method of picking Easton Cowan if they didn’t trade Sandin)
2025 1st round pick traded for McCabe: Henry Brzustewicz
2026 1st round pick traded for Carlo: ?
2027 1st round pick traded for Laughton: ?
2028 1st round pick slide: ?How many of them are actually still on the team vs. contributing somewhere else?
Now just imagine if A) the Leafs knew how to draft better outside of the 1st round lottery (especially on defense) and B) knew how to hang on to their own players.
the jays are 22 games into the Season, thats the equivalent of 11 games for the Leafs season, so if it were the leafs I would think its also pretty early in the season.
The bullpen isnt shit…if you pay attention to more than the jays
Some Bullpen stats
K/9 Jays are 4th 10.20
ERA 22nd
xERA 11th
FIP 12th
xFIP #1 3.14 (very good)
WAR 12thwhen the FIP is much lower than ERA thats a good sign things are going to get better and even out.
I hadnt look at the stats yet and thats encouraging.Varland has been wicked
Varland, Fisher and Rogers have a combined era of like .50 in 34 inningsAnd with all that fancy stats, still lost 7 of 13 losses.
Hoffman absolutely sucks balls as a closer when it matters. Cost them a World Series and needs to be replaced ASAP.
Great game by Edmonton, of course, Kapanen with 2 goals. Too shit for Toronto though.
Anaheim is going to be dangerous one day but they play too loose vs a team like Edmonton. Coach Q will fix it. Another guy who the Leafs can’t hire, of course.
Carolina up 2-0. Good. Fuck Ottawa. That was a bullshit overturned goal. Hockey Gods rewarded Martinook with the GWG that was taken away from him.
Also, it’s been said many times before but teams should have the option to take either the PS or the PP. Most teams would take the PP, depending on the player and more teams would score more goals because PP% is usually higher than PS%.
As good as Carolina is though, half the building being empty during 2OT during the playoffs is an absolute disgrace. They’re like the opposite of the Leafs who absolutely suck but the building is full. That team deserves better fans and Leafs fans deserve a better team. It’s an injustice.
the AL east projected wins for 4 of the 5 team 82, 82, 82 and 81
lots of season left.
Like the Leafs?
the Jays were 2 games under .500 on May 27, 2025
over a month from now. 54 games into the season.
thats 33 games from now.ill wait a little longer
And again, even if it goes like it did last year, the bullpen isn’t good enough. I’d be willing to cut the bats slack and the starters have been good to great with an boost coming when they get healthy. But the bullpen was shit, the bullpen remains shit and the bullpen will continue to be shit unless they make upgrades or serious changes sooner rather than later.
lol you are the most miserable human. like just insufferable.
no wonder you fall for every rage algorithm. just loves the misery. cant function without itSays the bitch raging all day because somebody dares to state the obvious flaws in the Jays.
good sign, stuff will even out of over 160 games.
Kazuma Okamoto has been devastated by breaking balls so far. He’s got a .186 xBA against them and is whiffing at them more than 41% of the time… But he hit one for a home run yesterday.
dont let doomer boomers rage and shit their pants over over tiny thing
And none of that will matter when the bullpen and the closer blow every tight game or great start.
Jays are worse now than they were last year at this point. But sure, they’ll win 65% of the rest of their games and their bullpen will blow game 7 again in the 9th inning to the Dodgers again.
The mets suck, but are spending 80 million more than the Jays on thier roster this season. Spending doesnt mean you win
also what the fuck are you talking about, the Jays are in the top 5 of money spent. 3 of the top 5 spending teams are 7-15, 8-13 and 8-13
the records dont mean much at this point.and yes I refuse to address all your dumb comments. way too dumb
Because the Mets spent money poorly and sucked, they didn’t spend to keep a winning formula together. Two different things retard.
Spending money on what the Jays knows what works (keeping last years team together) and improving it works because they watched it work. Now they’re in dead last. Obviously, they didn’t do enough to fix the needs the team had which you continue to ignore like a dipshit.
Jays don’t win when they pinch pennies. They aren’t Tampa Bay. And Tampa Bay doesn’t win the World Series either when they do succeed on a tight budget. Moneyball is a story but it doesn’t win.
You refuse because they make you look retarded.
Bo Bichette so far, worse than any Jays hitter this season.
-.4 WAR
1 HR
.54 OPS+
217/255/283/538its a choice to complain about missing Bo.
replacement Bats Okamoto or Sanchez, doing better than that.its a long season. can we not fill this thread with the worst posts possible. like its hard to imagine reading dumber shit than I just read
As usual, you take one piece of the post and ignore the rest of the truths that slap you across the face.
Has Bo been playing great? Absolutely not. But the Mets suck. Bo fits into this line-up and this team and it obviously wasn’t a fluke he led the league in hits or was near the leaders for years in Toronto. His 9 RBI and 20 hits would be welcomed to this team. In fact, those numbers would probably be a lot better in the Jays line-up considering how many batters they have stranded.
Okamoto should not have been expected to “replace” him. They should have signed both. And Sanchez could still be a utility player as he is listed as a LF so he could play anywhere and still contribute. This is not about one or the other. It’s about ADDING and getting AHEAD.
You keep talking about spending money like you are Rogers pinching pennies. Sorry dipshit but spending wins in the MLB and the Jays are last in the division because they refused to keep spending with the big boys. You don’t mention jack shit about how trash the Jays bullpen and closer have been. Why would you? Makes you look like a retard.
And before you cry about injuries to mostly starting pitchers, the starting pitching hasn’t been the issue. The Jays have got 1 win out of 9 starts with Gausman and Cease on the mound. That’s trash.
The dumb shit you read is what you post yourself. The idea that this Jays team is alright is retarded. They’ve lost more games by this point than they did last year and they were pretty bad to start last year. The bigger the hole they have to dig out of, the less likely it is they make it anywhere near where they did last year. They are way behind and it’s because they refused to strengthen the team properly despite bringing in record playoff revenue.
