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Never said Tocchet was roadkill, I compared roadkill as an improvement to what Torts was doing. 15 points takes the Flyers from last in the division to making the playoffs (using last year’s numbers). Are you predicting the Flyers make the playoffs? That would also be more points than Vancouver had last year, do you view the Flyers as having a better roster than Vancouver?
I posted an article earlier which talked about Tocchet’s coaching history and reasons for concern which came to the conclusion that Tocchet being the catalyst you want him to be is more wishful thinking than proven track record. You never really addressed the points made in that article. Until you do, it sounds more like you want to believe rather than having an actual reason to believe.
Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and again he can’t do any worse than the last guy. He’s supposed to be a great communicator with the players which is a world of difference from the coach who would bench the captain of the team without telling him why.
I’m predicting the Flyers will be noticeably better this year. Individually and as a team. There were teams out west that were more than a level below the Flyers last year. Starting to hear a bit how truly awful things were in ANA, even though they had 4 more points, for example. That makes things a little difficult to compare points over conferences. Everybody out west feasted on NSH, SJ and CHI. 91 points wouldn’t have gotten you into the playoffs out west and it was a fluke it did in the east. Vancouver has way better goaltending! Lankinen or Demko, if healthy, are both better than anything the Flyers have. Ideally, Vladar is our Lankinen.
“Everyone” is not pessimistic about the job Tocchet will do. Zegras wins them a couple or more games. Vladar over the two Russian catastrophes wins them a couple or more games. Tocchet’s coaching wins them a couple or more games. Five points for each upgrade gets them a 15 point increase.
Does having Juulson (less irreplaceable RR) in your top 6 to start the year lose you any games?
Does having a new coach/staff in the beginning of the season and learning his “system” lose you any games?
speaking of cliff
nice try cliff
thought you were done? why are you posting?
thought you were done posting? now go to confession.
work on repairing your marriage.
lol you say this to everyone, you da man cliff
thought you were done posting? what happened? any good info you can share from the tidy bowl man?
speaking of cliff, spoke with him not too long ago, he will be back in the next month or so.
Why they refused to move RR when they had the chance just show more incompetence.
lol you’re the new cliff. This is your life now. you da man
thought you were done posting? now go to confession.
work on repairing your marriage.
no they get judged on an individual basis. not a package.
facts hurt for flyers fans. it is a fact they stink. how can one argue otherwsie.
Based on all publicly available information. Pedigree, traits, track record, projections, etc. The Flyers chose poorly. Is that future 100% written in stone? No, but for the love of god I wish some fans would have a basis of opinion that’s more than just wishful thinking.
at the end of the day IMO the flyers do not value talent first or not the #1 reason to draft a player. might not even be in their top 2.
I listed 16 horrible facts from last season. None of which is in dispute including the general consensus that Tocchet’s hiring is more wishful thinking by the Flyers and that’s all you got out of it?
Five of your horrible facts mention Torts specifically and a lot of the rest were a direct result of HIS tenure. THIS JUST IN: Torts is gone. How can anyone in their right mind claim Tocchet isn’t an upgrade over Torts? And I don’t care that Torts won a cup in 2004. A general consensus over what they think will happen and not what actually will happen? That’s all you got. Last season was last season. Even I’m saying Drysdale needs to clean it up on D or hope he can hold onto a 3rd pairing role and Brink will be pushed out by somebody bigger sooner rather than later. Do you disagree with that in terms of this coming season? Who else is the problem?
Upgrade in coaching. Upgrade in goal. Upgrades at center. No doubt 100% they can go form 4th worse to 7th worse. That is progress.
Go flyers. Go new era of orange part duex.
brink or any player needs to be pushed out by someone more talented. not someone just bigger.
Why they refused to move RR when they had the chance just show more incompetence. RR is a solid bottom pair defenseman. Hopefully, they re-sign him to a 2 year ext as briere says would be a big hole if they move him. Beyond laughable. I get the GM speak though when it comes to the flyers don’t think that is the case.
As for Noah2 he is what he is a 6/7. Though he will get the benefit of the doubt because of the coach. Grans should be in that spot or someone else who may actually have a future with this team.
“Remember how hard the Flyers/Comcast media pushed Torts “fictional” accountability and being “hard to play against” (old time Flyers hockey!). Get ready for the same, the savior has arrived, media push. Pushing Tocchet’s openness and accessibility just as hard as they promoted Torts combativeness and disregard for modern hockey with the same level of realistic analysis, none. Remember how much we were told the players loved Torts and to not look behind the curtain. Tocchet’s going to be promoted as the Dali Lama. They have a product to sell, it’s entertainment to make money, hockey is what happens during the commercials.”
I stopped following the Flyers Torts’ first two seasons. The franchise was clearly in the toilet. He kept the doors open, I suppose. That’s the best I can say about him. Watched last year and the team was still bad in most respects but there were players who showed something and I like the off season changes. Maybe if you had taken time away from the Flyers at their truly incompetent bottom, you wouldn’t be so bitter, angry and irrational. Pro tip: Zegras is going to deliver the goods and his presence in the Top 6 is going to help every line.
love JD
The two aren’t remotely comparable.
The best comp will be the package of Buium and Perrault against Bonk and Luchanko but it’s way to early to judge. Of course, you already made your judgment: Flyers Suck!
no they get judged on an individual basis. not a package.
facts hurt for flyers fans. it is a fact they stink. how can one argue otherwsie.
Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ?
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
Tocchet liked the opportunity better than his other offers. They wanted him back in VAN. But, of course, you know more about hockey than Tocchet, so I’ll defer to you. Hahahaha! Bottom line: You can’t even read a winning percentage stat. I’ve gone back and forth with you a couple months now and see no evidence you have any idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hockey. You just regurgitate every misguided hockey cliche you’ve heard over the last several years. Monkey hear, monkey repeat.
no you cant as you don’t even know what stat your posting fucking dope.
Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ?
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
Tocchet liked the opportunity better than his other offers. They wanted him back in VAN. But, of course, you know more about hockey than Tocchet, so I’ll defer to you. Hahahaha! Bottom line: You can’t even read a winning percentage stat. I’ve gone back and forth with you a couple months now and see no evidence you have any idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hockey. You just regurgitate every misguided hockey cliche you’ve heard over the last several years. Monkey hear, monkey repeat.
He liked the 25 plus million that no other team even came close to offering you fn dope. Then a job for life.
What’s that old saying. I have forgotten more about hockey this you will ever know. Funny how you rarely answer any questions thrown your way.
Enjoy sucking the flyers cock. Your like that chic who will continue to do it no matter what when called upon
His career is underwhelming. Below .500z Accept it slap nuts.
How did last season go in Vancouver?
You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own math. He’s .516 with two less than optimum opportunities out of three. How did last season go in Philadelphia with Torts? Which genius coach should the Flyers have replaced Torts with?
Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ? Remove the shootout wins.
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.
He has a losing coaching record does he not?
Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations
He had a .608 win percentage in Vancouver. He actually got Phoenix to the playoffs. I know that doesn’t satisfy your lofty standards.
His career is underwhelming. Below .500z Accept it slap nuts.
How did last season go in Vancouver?
wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.
what is his career coaching record as a head coach?
So of you’d prefer Torts, why not just say it?
How is Tocchet’s HC record terrible? He’s gotten better results as his opportunities got better.
2 yrs TBL NHL 148 53 69 26 132 .446
4 yrs ARI NHL 290 125 131 34 284 .490 9 4 5 .444
3 yrs VAN NHL 200 108 65 27 243 .608 13 7 6 .538
Career 638 286 265 87 659 .516 22 11 11 .500I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.
He has a losing coaching record does he not?
Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations
