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Fair enough, there was also Trevor Linden who put up good numbers back in the day before Keenan & Messier ran him out of town. So that gives you a total of two 1C’s developed by Vancouver in 50+ years, not good enough. Hopefully CM & Cootes excel in the new system, they both seem to have good character.
Yeah, it’s been really dismal regarding getting a star first line center, however, they haven’t really put themselves in a position to do that because they won’t bottom out AND they draft so poorly. You can win a Cup many ways but historically speaking, teams who build through the middle of the ice win…a lot!
History tell us the Canucks can’t draft/develop a 1C. Wait and poach Celebrini ond/or Bedard in 5 years.
I just don’t think it’s that simplistic, also, they drafted Henrik Sedin. Whether people like him or not, he was a #1 center. Do you know how many times the Canucks have drafted top three in the entry draft? NINE times in 56 seasons, and four of those were in their first four seasons. So, since 1974 they’ve drafted five times in the top three of the first round, there’s a reason they’ve never won the Stanley Cup, it’s because across multiple ownership and management groups they refuse to rebuild a championship team through the draft.
Between 2003 and 2006, four drafts, the Penguins had four top three picks and they won three Stanley Cups because of it. Sure they got lucky in 2005 but their last place finish in 2004 gave them the best odds to win the 2005 draft and take Crosby. San Jose just had three drafts in the top two, Celebrini, Misa & Stenberg, they also took Will Smith 4th overall in 2023. Again, luck was involved but so was being bad as a team. Until the Canucks embrace being bad and catch some luck, nothing is going to change.
Fair enough, there was also Trevor Linden who put up good numbers back in the day before Keenan & Messier ran him out of town. So that gives you a total of two 1C’s developed by Vancouver in 50+ years, not good enough. Hopefully CM & Cootes excel in the new system, they both seem to have good character.
History tell us the Canucks can’t draft/develop a 1C. Wait and poach Celebrini ond/or Bedard in 5 years.
I just don’t think it’s that simplistic, also, they drafted Henrik Sedin. Whether people like him or not, he was a #1 center. Do you know how many times the Canucks have drafted top three in the entry draft? NINE times in 56 seasons, and four of those were in their first four seasons. So, since 1974 they’ve drafted five times in the top three of the first round, there’s a reason they’ve never won the Stanley Cup, it’s because across multiple ownership and management groups they refuse to rebuild a championship team through the draft.
Between 2003 and 2006, four drafts, the Penguins had four top three picks and they won three Stanley Cups because of it. Sure they got lucky in 2005 but their last place finish in 2004 gave them the best odds to win the 2005 draft and take Crosby. San Jose just had three drafts in the top two, Celebrini, Misa & Stenberg, they also took Will Smith 4th overall in 2023. Again, luck was involved but so was being bad as a team. Until the Canucks embrace being bad and catch some luck, nothing is going to change.
We are in the era of assets accumulation never can have enough. Habs are a great team to copy. SJ has some scary good draftees.
Team identity wise I like the Canes & Habs. Size wise VGK & TB & Washington. Speed & heart & top mgmt building the culture. Abby be the proving grounds & beginning for prospects to hit the NHL at full speed. MM installing systems. Players in top condition & strength going through walls for each other.
Yes, the Canucks are in the early, very early, stages of asset accumulation, there’s probably three more years of drafting before they start to see some cumulative results. The worst thing they could ever do is deviate from the program/path they’re on. If it happens organically, fine, but don’t push it. Malhotra looks to be a fine second line center guy with his skill-set, Cootes is more of a Mike Peca third line guy for me, and that’s perfectly fine, but they still need a superstar center if they plan on winning a Stanley Cup sometime in the future.
History tell us the Canucks can’t draft/develop a 1C. Wait and poach Celebrini ond/or Bedard in 5 years.
We are in the era of assets accumulation never can have enough. Habs are a great team to copy. SJ has some scary good draftees.
Team identity wise I like the Canes & Habs. Size wise VGK & TB & Washington. Speed & heart & top mgmt building the culture. Abby be the proving grounds & beginning for prospects to hit the NHL at full speed. MM installing systems. Players in top condition & strength going through walls for each other.
Yes, the Canucks are in the early, very early, stages of asset accumulation, there’s probably three more years of drafting before they start to see some cumulative results. The worst thing they could ever do is deviate from the program/path they’re on. If it happens organically, fine, but don’t push it. Malhotra looks to be a fine second line center guy with his skill-set, Cootes is more of a Mike Peca third line guy for me, and that’s perfectly fine, but they still need a superstar center if they plan on winning a Stanley Cup sometime in the future.
We are in the era of assets accumulation never can have enough. Habs are a great team to copy. SJ has some scary good draftees.
Team identity wise I like the Canes & Habs. Size wise VGK & TB & Washington. Speed & heart & top mgmt building the culture. Abby be the proving grounds & beginning for prospects to hit the NHL at full speed. MM installing systems. Players in top condition & strength going through walls for each other.
No rush on the EP front that will work itself out. He’s going nowhere til the season begins & a team comes calling. The NMC hurdle can be gotten around as RJ’s next biggest GM test.
Too bad all my spamming on HB 2years ago didn’t get his ass moved out then. We probably all be bitching now about what a bad trade it was if he had proved me wrong lol
I did ignore him last year. I thought he was a great helping the rebuild. If your top centre is producing at his level you can be pretty sure you will lose. I do want a bottom 3 finish again next year and I think another bad year of him leading the way you will finish at the bottom.
Expecting Demko to be injured again pretty much guarantees a bottom 3 team. The young D cannot pick up the slack. The PK still league bottom til major changes get improvement. Canucks would have to outscore most of their problems. Lastly plenty depends on MM & his staff installing systems & a team identity. Add it all up & I expect a bottom 5 or worse.
The right “team identity” should displace EP40.
I did ignore him last year. I thought he was a great helping the rebuild. If your top centre is producing at his level you can be pretty sure you will lose. I do want a bottom 3 finish again next year and I think another bad year of him leading the way you will finish at the bottom.
Expecting Demko to be injured again pretty much guarantees a bottom 3 team. The young D cannot pick up the slack. The PK still league bottom til major changes get improvement. Canucks would have to outscore most of their problems. Lastly plenty depends on MM & his staff installing systems & a team identity. Add it all up & I expect a bottom 5 or worse.
