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What are peeps thoughts as to what should be added, subtracted, drafted, and anything in between. Figure condense it in one spot.
– What centers will they go after and actually acquire? Would they be dumb enough to trade #6 for a Bo Horvat type of vet center? If Tavares and Duchesne get to free agency do they offer them an overpay on 3/4 year deal?
– Who will they add goalie wise? There is no chance they roll back that group in any way IMO.
– Do they do anything with the defense? Only 4 locks to me in Sanheim, Seeler, York, and JD. Excluding RR as he is out.
Have at it peeps.
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I am not especially optimistic of the Flyers landing a true top-flight center this offseason. I have heard there is interest in Gabe Vilardi, moving him back to center from wing. But how doable it is to acquire him, I do not know.
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If they go the FA route, they will end up with the second coming of Kevin Hayes. Outside of draft picks, what talent do they have to offer other teams via trades that wont weaken them at a position?
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I can see the Flyers trading for Marner’s rights and then offering a max contract. My hope is they acquire a young center with the potential to be #1 someday. If that is via trade or in the draft I am fine with it.
Plenty of vet goalies that fit the Flyers needs I would think.
I am fine with letting the D marinate this season. I am sure they will try to upgrade. Just not sure they have the ammo to get a top tier guy.
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I am not especially optimistic of the Flyers landing a true top-flight center this offseason
I have zero faith they can find that via trade or UFA.
Now the next tier or 2 down they may be able to add talent. The name de jour like Rossi or Zegras would help as clearly they lack talent. Just because you cant add the top #1 center does that mean you dont look to improve with hose 2 or similar players?
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No to Rossi. Can’t have BOTH your projected C1 and C2 (Luchanko) being sub six-foot, when you also have Drysdale, York and possibly Andrae as top six D.
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No to Rossi. Can’t have BOTH your projected C1 and C2 (Luchanko) being sub six-foot, when you also have Drysdale, York and possibly Andrae as top six D.
Think the flyers and flyers fans will be so disappointed when the Jett doesn’t pan out as a #2 center. IMO he won’t.
As far as size what if you had 2 big wingers flanking them? does that change anything? As far as Rossi I am take it or leave mode. Seeing they need talent at sthat spot, he checks that box.
Wish I had faith the flyers can find underutilized or distressed assets to make good deals.
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Bill, do you think the Flyers take a home run swing on McQueen to get that size/skill package, or do you think they are still gun shy over the Patrick debacle and McQueens injury history? If they could be sure he was healthy you can’t pass him up. But the back problem is a problem. NHL.com mock has them taking McQueen.
That being said, out of Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, O’Brien, Martin (I see at least 3, possibly 4 of these 5 being available at 6), who do you think they choose?
If all available my choice is Hagens, he may be smallish but I think his talent level is highest. He is also the one I think will not be there at 6.
Out of the rest I would probably want Desnoyers.
How do you feel about taking a swing on Ryabkin with The Edmonton pick if still available?
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we have a ton of cap space, picks and prospects. they are still going to want to spend and be competitive during TK, Coots and Sanheim’s tenure. That’s just the facts. They are going to want to give these guys more help for a chance to win. They aren’t going to be rebuilding for 5 more years.
we are the second youngest team in the league. I could see the flyers trying to get Bennett and Ekblad to come here for 5 years each. That’s a winning C and D to compliment TK, Coots and Sanheim. You still have youth with Michkov, Foerster, Brink, Drysdale and York among others. Everyone slots in better this way and we’d be no older looking than a team like Dallas who has seemingly found a good mix.
Especially if Florida wins again, they may be happy to move on from those two and they may be willing to come here together for an overpay – which is likely what it will take. Seth Jones had a great game yesterday – I wonder if they see him as the answer moving forward. Ekblad and Bennett certainly fit the “born to be a Flyer” narrative they like to push.
Boeser is another interesting name if you can fit him in. His connection to Tocchet might play a part. Maybe even see if there is a trade to be had for Byram. I could see York going the other way depending on how that relationship is currently.
They are not going to waste away Coots, TK and Sanheim’s careers with their new deals starting. And unless they are in the McDavid sweepstakes next year (there is a 99% chance he stays an Oiler for life) this might be the best team you can put together for the next 5 years while you continue to draft and develop.
There will be some who say “No we aren’t good enough to be signing big name FAs!” Well this is how you’re gonna get better the way we are set up. They aren’t going to keep bottoming out – they are gonna put a team around TK, Coots and Sanheim. 5 years max until their deals near a close. That would be a competitive team while we continue to develop the younger guys and draft.
Any thoughts on available goalies? Any hockey trades that can be made that doesn’t involve signing free agents?
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I agree that the Flyers need to be focused on using all aspects of the draft, free agency and trades during the off season. For me, the 1st part is the draft, thus I go for either Hagens, Fondell or McQueen (in that order), and if we pick McQueen, we get another C at the 22nd or Edmonton pick. We should go for the fences with the #6 pick. As to the remaining 1st and 2nd rd draft picks, best available pick off the draft board, period. Note: I don’t know how bad the back is for McQueen, so if our MDs feel its a no, then I support it. Otherwise, he could be a killer pick in the long run, like Tage Thompson.
Turing the free agency, I’d like to go after the Rangers K’Andre Miller who they really can’t afford. I’m not sold on Ekblad given his age and where the Flyers are. As to Bennett, if he’s going to play center, then yes if the price is right. Otherwise go the trade route. After that, not really interested in any unrestricted free agents. There are a couple other restricted free agents we could go after, e.g. Dallas, Lightning, etc..
A trade for Isaac Howards rights between the Flyers and Lightning would probably work. He hasn’t signed an ELC yet, and my understanding based on rumors is he wouldn’t mind playing for the Flyers. Another trade I’d go after is Byrum perhaps for York as mentioned above. I’d also see if I could pry LaFraniere away from the Rangers for Tippett, Coutts, and Brink and a 2026 1st Rd pick.
This would be the start to rounding out the team, but would still be 2 years out of really fighting in the playoffs for the cup. Yes, we can get to the playoffs, but if we’re out after the 1st round, that means nothing to me.
just my 2 cents.
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we have a ton of cap space, picks and prospects. they are still going to want to spend and be competitive during TK, Coots and Sanheim’s tenure. That’s just the facts. They are going to want to give these guys more help for a chance to win. They aren’t going to be rebuilding for 5 more years.
we are the second youngest team in the league. I could see the flyers trying to get Bennett and Ekblad to come here for 5 years each. That’s a winning C and D to compliment TK, Coots and Sanheim. You still have youth with Michkov, Foerster, Brink, Drysdale and York among others. Everyone slots in better this way and we’d be no older looking than a team like Dallas who has seemingly found a good mix.
Especially if Florida wins again, they may be happy to move on from those two and they may be willing to come here together for an overpay – which is likely what it will take. Seth Jones had a great game yesterday – I wonder if they see him as the answer moving forward. Ekblad and Bennett certainly fit the “born to be a Flyer” narrative they like to push.
Boeser is another interesting name if you can fit him in. His connection to Tocchet might play a part. Maybe even see if there is a trade to be had for Byram. I could see York going the other way depending on how that relationship is currently.
They are not going to waste away Coots, TK and Sanheim’s careers with their new deals starting. And unless they are in the McDavid sweepstakes next year (there is a 99% chance he stays an Oiler for life) this might be the best team you can put together for the next 5 years while you continue to draft and develop.
There will be some who say “No we aren’t good enough to be signing big name FAs!” Well this is how you’re gonna get better the way we are set up. They aren’t going to keep bottoming out – they are gonna put a team around TK, Coots and Sanheim. 5 years max until their deals near a close. That would be a competitive team while we continue to develop the younger guys and draft.
– May I ask who you are? Player? Management?
– correct they will try to win (peeps need to accept this path) and more than likely fail. Then we will have another new era in a few years after the 2 most recent ones. Question becomes will it be Briere’s 3rd new era or someone else first?
– cant rebuild when it was never torn down. also hasnt been 5 years at all. not even 3.
– 2nd youngest is a flyers talking point. they really aint that young nhl wise. being young doesn’t equate to being good or having “great” young talent.
– why on earth would Bennett and ekblad accept 5 years from a bottom feeding team when they can get 7 or 8? Ask yourself this, if taking 5 years are they likely to go to a winning franchise? it would take a severe overpay as they will have many better options. Then again agents are “calling” danny now that they hired tocchet.
– they do fit the born to be a flyers mantra, 2 guys who will get a great fat retirement pay check.
– they wasted away CC and jakes prime years. So why wouldn’t they “waste” those you mentioned? ex selke is on the way down so he really shouldn’t factor in anything. Shame they wont do what best. They could IMO trade TK and Sanheim to Buffalo and get a very handsom package back.
– they didnt bottom out by design. they bottomed out because of incompetence.
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– May I ask who you are? Player? Management?
boooring
– 2nd youngest is a flyers talking point. they really aint that young nhl wise. being young doesn’t equate to being good or having “great” young talent.
yeah you’re right. just the leading rookie goal scorer, two players that just won the OHL championships and another on a NCAA championship team. Not to mention a pretty damn good young goalie in Zavragin. maybe you’re just not paying enough attention – that will happen if you spend too much time talking to yourself on here daily lol
– why on earth would Bennett and ekblad accept 5 years from a bottom feeding team when they can get 7 or 8? Ask yourself this, if taking 5 years are they likely to go to a winning franchise? it would take a severe overpay as they will have many better options. Then again agents are “calling” danny now that they hired tocchet.
I want 5 years. And I already said it would take an overpay. You’re either agreeing with me or you have a reading comprehension issue. which is it?
– they wasted away CC and jakes prime years.
they tried to put a team around them. it wasn’t good enough. probably briere’s fault.
– ex selke is on the way down so he really shouldn’t factor in anything.
-how many years does he have left? lol
– they didnt bottom out by design. they bottomed out because of incompetence.
irrelevant. next…
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– you are mentioning players who haven’t even played a pro game yet. that does not factor into any youngest team equation. Those players you mention every other nhl team pretty much has equivalent prospects. None of which will be on the team next season. Here is some info for you, the flyers prospects are nothing special.
– what you want and what will happen are way off base. it will take more than an overpay. it will take a severe overpay with the full 7 years. see the differences?
– it is irrelevant that they didn’t bottom out by design but because of incompetence?
– flyers love fans like you and appreciate your support.
– briere has shown next to nothing so far.
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– you are mentioning players who haven’t even played a pro game yet. that does not factor into any youngest team equation. Those players you mention every other nhl team pretty much has equivalent prospects. None of which will be on the team next season. Here is some info for you, the flyers prospects are nothing special.
Zavragin – playing pro in the K at 19 years old with a .917 SV% in 43 games.
Bump – “He was named to the All-NCHC First Team, and NCHC Forward of the Year. During the championship game of the 2025 NCHC Tournament against Denver, Bump scored two goals, including the game-winning goal in double-overtime, to help Western Michigan win their first NCHC tournament championship in program history. He was subsequently named the Frozen Faceoff MVP.”
Barkey – team-voted captain, back to back OHL championships including 184 pts in 114 games in the regular season; 47 pts in 28 playoff games during those two years.
Bonk – alternate captain and led the league in plus minus.
The fact that these guys aren’t even on the team yet proves my point. we are still the 2nd youngest team and getting younger. not every team has these players. pay attention.
– briere has shown next to nothing so far.
again, you’re not paying attention. you’re here too much talking to no one.
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I like Vilardi, but have a hard time trading significant assets for a player who has played 70 plus games only once in his career. Bennett is another player I like, but to add another middle six forward to this roster makes me little sense. The only player that I hope they try and acquire is Marner. Michkov and Marner on opposite half boards would be dynamic on the PP. Marner is over a PP/game player in the regular season and .9 pts/game in the playoffs. Getting him out of TOR may do wonders for his postseason production, which is pretty good anyway. I have no issue moving Tippett and/or TK to create a winger spot in the top 6 for him. With all that being written on Marner, I do not expect the Flyers to show any interest in trying to pursue him. I don’t think they are bold enough to try such a move. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
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Keep this in mind during free agent talk. Some teams are in states that don’t have an income tax:
Florida
Tampa
Vegas
Nashville
Dallas
SeattleEvery little bit matters to the players and the cap.
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I like Vilardi, but have a hard time trading significant assets for a player who has played 70 plus games only once in his career. Bennett is another player I like, but to add another middle six forward to this roster makes me little sense. The only player that I hope they try and acquire is Marner. Michkov and Marner on opposite half boards would be dynamic on the PP. Marner is over a PP/game player in the regular season and .9 pts/game in the playoffs. Getting him out of TOR may do wonders for his postseason production, which is pretty good anyway. I have no issue moving Tippett and/or TK to create a winger spot in the top 6 for him. Wit
that’s good to know as marner is head and shoulders better than both !!!however the flyers ae not inclined to move either of those players. that is the problem.
the flyers will have to overpay to get any worthwhile free agent to play for this team. if your going to overpay might as well do it for legit top end talent. that is where the focus needs to be. do not think that is the route they want to go. Do not think marner would have much interest in the flyers anyway.
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dumb as a stump you are.
it’s personal attacks like this that ruined Hockey Buzz and made every conversation stray from hockey talk, @bill-meltzer
just wait until the racist rhetoric starts with him…
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it’s personal attacks like this that ruined Hockey Buzz and made every conversation stray from hockey talk, @bill-meltzer
just wait until the racist rhetoric starts with him…
you shouldn’t be into who I am giving skins to its none of your business.
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Athletic Mock Draft had Flyers Picking O’Brien at 6.
Schaeffer
Misa
Frondell
Desnoyers
Hagens
O’Brien
McQueen
MartoneAlso of interest. Jack Nesbitt taken at 24. Logan Hensler taken with their 3rd 1st. William Horcoff taken at #36. Ivan Ryabkin taken with their pick at #40. Eddie Genborg taken at #45. Nathan Behm taken at #48.
Bill, do you see Ryabkin falling that far?
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I would be shocked if Martone drops out of the top five (I think he goes third). I don’t expect Frondell to go in the top three. O’Brien rose with a bullet in the second half. I wouldn’t mind that pick forPhilly if this scenario actually played out. However, if you’re drafting BA prospect and not taking a center no matter what, that would be Martone in this mock.
Also, I don’t think Ryabkin falls to 40.
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The organization needs to acquire more elite talent. It would be ideal if that piece would come as a center or Dman. However, to exclude the thought of acquiring winger because of the current depth chart makes little sense. It is decent depth, but if they can upgrade it should absolutely be done. It will cost significant cap space to acquire Marner, but that is the price every team will have to pay when they have an elite player on the roster. Easy solution to reduce how much cap is dedicated to the wing position is reduce the amount of cap allocated to wingers behind Mickhov and a potential Marner signing. Use that organizational depth at wing to fill out the wing position at a lower cap hit. If Tocchet can help attract talent to the team, here is a prime example. Next year supposedly is the big year. However, there is no guarantee any elite talent will be available in the free agent market. This summer was supposed to be the market for older #1 Dmen available. Well, Hedman and Slavin re signed, that possibility is gone, I would be thrilled for the Flyers to take a run at McDavid next summer. However, I find it silly to not pursue Marner this summer in the hopes that McDavid actually makes it to free agency next summer and the team can convince him to sign.
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Agree they need high end talent and for arguments sake if you get a shot at marner you take it. especially the direction you know this team is headed. Then a smart team trades TK to address other needs; if you sign marner. I can also see the flyers trying him at center!!!
I just do not buy this for one iota tocchet will “attract” talent. high end at least.
Not directed at you, though This Mcdavid talk is flat out silly and just not feasible. He will get paid no matter where he goes. He wants to fn win is my guess. flyers are not an option in hi splani any way. though I am sure the flyers hockey and the flyers way has them convinced they have a shot.
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Agree they need high end talent and for arguments sake if you get a shot at marner you take it. especially the direction you know this team is headed. Then a smart team trades TK to address other needs; if you sign marner. I can also see the flyers trying him at center!!!
I just do not buy this for one iota tocchet will “attract” talent. high end at least.
Not directed at you, though This Mcdavid talk is flat out silly and just not feasible. He will get paid no matter where he goes. He wants to fn win is my guess. flyers are not an option in hi splani any way. though I am sure the flyers hockey and the flyers way has them convinced they have a shot.
Keep Konecny trade Tippet in that scenario
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If the Flyers choose to trade for a RFA, I have no issue, but I believe there are better options then Gabe Vilardi. Vilardi’s inability to play a full season is a huge question mark. The assets that will be needed to acquire a RFA along with the contract to sigh the player will be significant. Availability should not be a concern.
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I’m not sure a wing depth chart of Michkov, TK, Tippett, Foerster, and Brink is considered Cup worthy. Maybe a prospect can improve the quality. If there is a question that the $15 million dedicated to 2 of those wingers is not yielding enough production, might want to take the opportunity to upgrade even outside the organization. I do not believe the lack of center depth should inhibit the ability to upgrade in other positions.
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If Bowen Byram is available, I sure hope Briere has interest. Much like the discussion on the winger depth chart, Byram at worst is the 2nd best Dman in the organization if acquired. I would argue the best Dman, IMO. Rumor was Briere was willing to trade Gauthier to COL for Byram and COL said “no”. There has not been much change in the organizational depth chart since that time to suggest the Flyers are overflowing with potential top pair Dmen. I like the progression of Drysdale, but it would be foolish not to have interest in Byram because of the acquisition Drysdale.
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what are you giving up for Byram? flyers do not have much to offer outside of TK and Sanheim as Buff needs to make moves for good established nhl players.
if the flyer were smart they would make a perfect trade partners with buff.
TK and Sanheim for #9, couple NHL ready prospects who need nhl time, maybe Sameuelson as some cap money has to come back. Buff has plenty of picks and prospects.
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I do believe Tippett has value. I understand the year was not great, but he has been relatively durable the last 3 years and he is signed long-term. I will admit another down year this season and his value will plummet significantly. So I would rather trade him this summer. As far as Byram, he is currently a RFA. A team acquiring him will need to sign probably long-term. Everything I have read suggests Byram wants first pair responsibilities, which I would assume running the PP. I do wonder how many teams would be willing to give him that. Certainly the Flyers would be one of those teams because the PP has sucked.
Maybe BUF has interest in acquiring a forward with term. Tuch will be a UFA after next season. Zucker is 33. Quinn has been inconsistent. Greenway has been meh. Benson has shown potential. Peterka is going to be stud, and BUF would be smart to lock him up.
Assuming Byram is dealt, top 3 spots in BUF are filled on the blueline. After that, Clifton will be a UFA after next season. Bernard-Docker is young and recently acquired.
Both the Flyers and Sabres are in need of a roster shakeup. They could make decent trading partners.
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Cement head out as Phantoms coach. about time.
“Laperriere, 51, has not been fired, although it is unclear what role he will have moving forward, although it seems like Flyers would like to keep him in some capacity.”
** flyers till cant help themselves.
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ASF reporting Flyers have interest in signing Maxim Shabanov. If Shabanov comes over, it will be between the Flyers and Vegas. This is a very good test for Briere to get this deal over the line, McCrimmon has been very good. I really do not care if Shabanov is small, the organization needs to be collecting talent regardless of stature. Only costs money and a contract slot to find out if Shabanov can play in North America. Get it done.
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ASF reporting Flyers have interest in signing Maxim Shabanov. If Shabanov comes over, it will be between the Flyers and Vegas. This is a very good test for Briere to get this deal over the line, McCrimmon has been very good. I really do not care if Shabanov is small, the organization needs to be collecting talent regardless of stature. Only costs money and a contract slot to find out if Shabanov can play in North America. Get it done.
I would imagine he has a much better chance of playing right away if he joins the Flyers. He certainly is a small player, and you may not want him and Michkov on the Ice at the same time. But he scores a lot in a pretty good league and definitely has the skill. I think it is in the best interest of the Flyers to make Michkov as comfortable as possible by surrounding him with as many skilled Russians as they can find lol.
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Apparently Shabanov’s agent is the same as Zavargin. He has also played with Zamula in lower Russian leagues. A lot of reasons to hopefully choose the Flyers. I do agree he will have a better opportunity to play in a top 6 role with the Flyers over Vegas. Unless Vegas is looking to trade one of their forwards, they are pretty set with their top 3 lines.
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https://x.com/AntSanPhilly/status/1925596464920527143?t=fAOO0wWd_1_JpZW9UiCF8Q&s=19
Here’s the link to ASF’s article about Shabanov- including excerpt about his agents.
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https://ottawacitizen.com/sports/ottawa-senators-need-defenceman
– that’s interesting. flyers need risto for their own playoff run. “I’m not shopping him. I’m not trying to get rid of him. He’s been an asset for us, and it would be a big hole if we ever had to lose him. I don’t know where it’s going.”
– looks like Kolosov back to Russia which isn’t surprising. flyers botched his development this year big time. played a low 29 games. should have been in LHV playing big minutes.
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Who knows how true and what was offered. I def believe Garrioch that they talked and made an offer. Again you see the quotes from the GM and he has no interest in moving him at this time.
Bill:
1. Pelletier, stay or go?
2. In your opinion what’s more likely, the flyers sign Nelson or Bennett? Now both % may be low just curious your take.
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Whatever the plan is this summer it cannot include Sam Bennett. Signing him for 7 yrs which he will get, would be crazy. Rumor is he will get between 9-11 million/yr. Marner would age better and is so much better all around then Bennett. Its bad enough to avoid signing Marner because of cap hit and winger depth. Over paying for Bennett because of lack of center depth who has never scored 60 pts in a season would be madness for 7 seasons.
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Here’s the link for Howard/Flyers
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/latest-news/why-a-flyers-trade-for-isaac-howard-makes-perfect-sense -
Here’s the link for Howard/Flyers
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/latest-news/why-a-flyers-trade-for-isaac-howard-makes-perfect-sensedont see where he says wouldnt mind playing for the flyers. I would have no issue giving up the oilers 1st for him if he wants to sign asap. maybe tampa wpuld want 2 – 2nds instead. flyers def have the asset to get a deal done.
would you trade brink for howard?
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The Athletic put out another mock and has them taking Martone at #6.
They have Cullen Potter at #22 and Prokhorov at #30.
Top 7:
Schaeffer
Misa
Desnoyers
Hagens
Frondell
Martone
O’BrienIf Martone is there at 6 you sprint to the podium and thank the hawkey gawds for giving us another undeserved blessing.
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Here’s my prediction:
This site is going to die. The only poster who seems to be talking to himself most days is yes it’s me 2050. No one wants to even engage him so traffic to the site will slowly shrivel.
The only other folks posting are so negative by default that Bill will get fed up with the daily downers and they will turn on Bill the second he defends something the flyers do.
Good luck with this weird little group.
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How do they bring him back after those comments Bill?
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Here’s my prediction:
This site is going to die. The only poster who seems to be talking to himself most days is yes it’s me 2050. No one wants to even engage him so traffic to the site will slowly shrivel.
The only other folks posting are so negative by default that Bill will get fed up with the daily downers and they will turn on Bill the second he defends something the flyers do.
Good luck with this weird little group.
Between that and Black_Francis creating all these fake accounts, its been a rough start for sure.
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The message boards aren’t where we want them to be. But the site on the whole is doing very well so far. Several thousand registered users (with no advertising dollars spent yet), time on site per has exceeded our expectations and a high event count.
People come for different reasons. Most do not participate in the forums, so that is a big goal moving forward. But we have other aspects of the site planned.
By the way, we have a very high rate of converting Facebook group membership into site registration here. However, most there use the chats via Messenger. We do want more on the Forums here but the bottom line is building user base, and that part is going quite well.
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Between that and Black_Francis creating all these fake accounts, its been a rough start for sure.
dude what is your obsession with me lately? I’ve posted maybe 3 times. Keep it to hockey talk please.
also, @bill-meltzer are you more of a Phil Collins guy or a Peter Gabriel guy?
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I’m intrigued by the Rossi rumors. It is unfair to label Rossi small, he is on the shirt side. He certainly does not play a perimeter game.
He’ll only be a 2C. Well, considering the organization does not really have one right now seems like an odd argument-stretch to consider Couts a 2C at this point. Cannot project what Luchanko will become. They certainky have an abundance of 3rd and 4th line centers.
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This is a huge off-season for the organization, they need to start building something special here and it starts with the draft. I know there’s a lot of moving parts to success but most every successful, winning, team it starts with drafting a core. Center ice is a HUGE weakness within the organization.
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At least the regime can play the move up the draft board game for the third consecutive year. With Grier’s comments, expect plenty of rumors of Briere wanting to move up to #2. Can’t move any of those 1st rd picks until Grier decides to sit and take Misa, which probably will not be known till draft day
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My take is that this team needs to continue to tank. They won’t though and we all know they won’t. All acquiring players such as Bennett, Rossi, Ekblad and even Marner will do, is cap the team out and they could possibly be a playoff team that is short of true contention. That will prevent the Flyers from being able to acquire elite young talent. It is a mistake to do so and it will fail. Then the team will be back in another “rebuild” with anchor contracts and aging players
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I believe Deboer was incorrect in how he handled the Ottinger issue. As of today, he still has not talked to the goalie, per sporting news sites. I’ve always like Deboer as a coach, but I’m not sure why this has happened like it has. Perhaps he’d like to see this goalie get traded, even with the lengthy contract just being signed. Trade Ottinger to Philly for either of the Russian goalies (Fedotov or Kosolov); I’m sure Flyers fans would be ecstatic.
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Flyers have a lot of opportunities to improve the roster, and it will take the combination of the draft, free agents (restricted) offers, and trades. I mentioned in an earlier post that center positions with the 6th pick should be targeted, and I had Fondell and McQueen as the targets. Yes, I’d like to have Hagens, but if he’s not available then hopefully one of the two I named with be. If neither of them is available, then go with Martone if available. I’m not sold on Desnoyers. As to RFA that could be available, look at the teams who don’t have too much cap space available, such as Dallas, NYR, TB, STL. I mentioned earlier that TB has a draft player (Howard) who hasn’t signed at the Center position. Player has some capabilities, and someone mentioned if I would trade Brink for him. I think I would, given where the construction of the team mix needs to go. Don’t get me wrong, I like Brink; but he is small in stature, and we have a lot of RW’s on the roster. There are others out there (e.g. Quinn with Buffalo), Bierre and company just need to get creative as it fits their plans. As to trades, I’d look at Buffalo, STL, NYR for a defensemen or goalie. If we give up York or Tippett to get a #2 D or a good goalie, I’m in. Although we have not seen a lot of positive trades, sometimes the best trade is no trade. So, I’m letting the Flyers Brass do their thing and hope if plays out. Note, it takes a while to build a team, and I think we’re just turning the corner. I’m excited for the next couple of years.
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You’ve been with the organization since 2019, before GM Daniel Briere took control two years ago. How has the scouting and draft process changed since then?
Very little. Even when (former GM Chuck Fletcher) was here, Danny was doing some amateur (scouting) with me, so he understood how we do things. I think we had similar philosophies as far as the draft and players to target. But Danny has lots of opinions, he likes to get out and see some players, but at the same time, he understood how our amateur group worked and was comfortable with it when he came on board. As far as the process itself, it’s really similar.
Flahr talking. That is well scary to read. Danny is a putz and puppet. Not sure how anyone can have faith in this regime.
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Of course they won’t as they over value Tippet big time. Comical really imo.
Why do think they shouldn’t? 2 top 6 picks would go a long way to contention then Tippet and 2 late 1st
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Why do think they shouldn’t? 2 top 6 picks would go a long way to contention then Tippet and 2 late 1st
that’s just kicking the can down the road. honestly you’d be lucky if the player ever becomes half the player tippett is.
why do you think so many rebuilding/devoid of talent teams are trying to trade out of the top picks? maybe their scouts know something.
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The 4th for Tippett and one of the later 1sts is a no-brainer……why do you think they shouldnt — KINGKENZO
I would think so too, but then I’m not of the same mindset as Danny Briere… that is, I think we’ve seen what Tippett is going to be, whereas Danny still thinks he will improve and become the player he rewarded with an 8 year deal.
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Word is Tippet is a 30 goal scorer.
KK it was both late 1st and “Tipper”
Tippett is a 40 goal scorer, that has never scored 30 goals and needed an empty net to hit 20 this year…..He’s MacKinnon, so Ive heard
For comparison, “Quitter” finished with 20 and 1 more pt as a rookie, and he sucks, again, so Ive heard
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https://x.com/DU_Hockey/status/1930650126684488060
Thankfully the Flyers have York, Andrea, and JD and didn’t need to add that type of talent
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looking forward to the flyers emulating the panthers and on the path to future success.
York, first and foremost. But also someone like Pelletier, who he didn’t think could play and hardly gave a chance to prove otherwise. Shaw did, thankfully, and then the Calgary version the player soon re-emerged.
has to be others.
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60 PIMS must be the most effective enforcer in the league. Wonder if Florida would consider moving him, as he can’t add value to the flyers lineup. can’t underestimate that cup experience.
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60 PIMS must be the most effective enforcer in the league. Wonder if Florida would consider moving him, as he can’t add value to the flyers lineup. can’t underestimate that cup experience.
Gadjovich is very effective in his role.
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here is hoping the flyer acquire him. What do you think it would take? is he better at his job than ND? A ND upgrade would be a smart move no?
Hahahaha! The Flyers should wait until he turns UFA and guarantee him power play time. That should do it. Seriously though, size, toughness and meanness still matters. The Flyers need that too. FLA had Bennett, Gadjovich, Tkachuk and Marchand. EDM had Perry, Kane, Nurse. If you watched the playoffs, you didn’t see the Ice Capades. A lot of hitting and all around chippiness.
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you are a dope. where did I claim I know more about the gangster of love? what I said in a round about way it is comical you mentioning that plyer in the same group as the others.
Gadjovich is absolutely in the group of players who played in the finals and won the cup. This is not complicated. Yes, I did find it amusing that he dressed so much so deep in a cup run, but telling as well. I know some hockey purists think it’s Cro-Magnon hockey, but it still wins cups.
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Still think Briere should trade one of the later 2nd round picks to VAN for Thatcher Demko. Makes no sense for VAN to invest 9.5 million in goal with Demko being a UFA next summer. A low risk gamble for the Flyers, who can bury Fedotov in LV. If Demko regains his form, he could be a solid bridge to one of the young prospects and possibly get re signed next summer. If the plan is to wait to ’26 to go for it, I would think the regime would want some better answers in goal then currently available. Tocchet should have good intel on how he was progressing from his injury. Doubtful any decent free agents or players with a NTC would have much interest coming to a team with consistent bottom 5 goal tending.
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Still think Briere should trade one of the later 2nd round picks to VAN for Thatcher Demko. Makes no sense for VAN to invest 9.5 million in goal with Demko being a UFA next summer. A low risk gamble for the Flyers, who can bury Fedotov in LV. If Demko regains his form, he could be a solid bridge to one of the young prospects and possibly get re signed next summer. If the plan is to wait to ’26 to go for it, I would think the regime would want some better answers in goal then currently available. Tocchet should have good intel on how he was progressing from his injury. Doubtful any decent free agents or players with a NTC would have much interest coming to a team with consistent bottom 5 goal tending.
what makes you think vancouver will trade him at this time while his value is likely low. probably want to see him in action to see if can still be effective if healthy. now if they are just looking to dump him then that changes things. Also think they want to get back to the playoffs and Demko helps that.
correct unless their last contract with lots of money. landscape has changed dramatically. not in the flyers favor at all.
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marchment a flyers target? brink even up? flyers dying to add “size”
I don’t think Marchment is what the Flyers need. His cap hit is $4.5M for one more year and I’d rather see the Flyers spend that on D or a goalie. Dallas has to make a couple moves to free up cap space. Give the kids a shot at filling out the forward slots.
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doesn’t matter what you think. flyers very likely think otherwise. they want size. can clearly see him being a target
I also wouldn’t go after him either as you know they will then give him an ext.
maybe even an expanded deal where dumba also comes back with a pick. zamula goes the other way. kills 2 birds with one stone for dallas.
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doesn’t matter what you think. flyers very likely think otherwise. they want size. can clearly see him being a target
I also wouldn’t go after him either as you know they will then give him an ext.
maybe even an expanded deal where dumba also comes back with a pick. zamula goes the other way. kills 2 birds with one stone for dallas.
Dumba didn’t even play for them in the playoffs. Taking bad Dallas contracts isn’t my idea of a rebuild. Why would you want to do them any favors because the Flyers wouldn’t be helping themselves?
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flyers are not and never have been rebuilding. you and others need come to this realization. cant rebuild what was never built
what part of a pick coming back did you miss? they wouldn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts. then again they want both teams to win the trade they say. dumba would be in the flyers top 6.
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I don’t think Marchment is what the Flyers need. His cap hit is $4.5M for one more year and I’d rather see the Flyers spend that on D or a goalie. Dallas has to make a couple moves to free up cap space. Give the kids a shot at filling out the forward slots.
Well he just went to Seattle for a 3rd and a 4th.
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Read Dobson is looking for $11 million/yr on a multi year extension. Could be the reason Romanov is available for a trade.
Plus they’ll likely draft Schaefer. Seems they’re in a Buffalo-like position (Dahlin, Power, Byram) with more D than they actually need relative to everything else. The Flyers need everything so they’re more balanced . . . or something like that.
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good trade. low risk potentially high reward….Zegras does have injury concerns. flyers never get a guy with a clean bill of health
When you don’t draft elite players of your own, you’re left with other teams’ damaged goods.
Hope the Zegras experiment turns out better than Drysdale has…
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Hope the Zegras experiment turns out better than Drysdale has…
even if it doesn’t it was a swing you take al day, as they gave up nothing. They can walk away from zegras if it don’t work out. nothing to complain about on this trade
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If Briere is circling back to old trade rumors, looking forward to see the return for Bowen Byram. Got to think BUF would be looking to acquire players already on an NHL roster.
I read a take on the hockey writers site that Buffalo should be looking to keep and sign Byram, trading Owen Power instead.
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For free agents: Just because it’s the Flyers, I could see them targeting Trent Frederic.
I would be interested in signing Ryan Lindgren.
If they sign Shabanov, call it a summer for signings.
freddy reupped with the oilers last week
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I would be interested in signing Ryan Lindgren.
I still think they need to add a Top 4 Dman. Lindgren might cost more than they have to spend after getting their goalie. I’m guessing they’ll have about $9M after they re-up York. The Zegras trade added $3.85M to the cap.
My belief is if Briere adds to the blue line it will be thru a trade. I believe the only UFA Dman even worth pursuing is Aaron Ekblad. I do doubt Briere will spend that kind of money. Still think Byram makes some sense. Doubt Drury would do it, but try and trade for K’Andre Miller. Dobson for me is ideal, but I do realize unrealistic. At 25, signing him long-term will be expensive and the assets to acquire also. However, he would be the anchor for the blue line thru Michkov’s prime, which I am fine doing. Just do not believe the regime will want to do this right now. Probably more interested in Romanov if available.
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for the most part the flyers going to have to offer more term and more $$ to get free agents to sign here. unless they have no place else to go as richard gere once said
This is why I hope they continue the stated path to build a foundation that a big name star UFA would want to join. People talk about McDavid etc but I don’t understand why McDavid would ever want to come here. At least not in the short term. Players like that are looking to win now.
And to be honest I don’t trust a player who would accept an overpay to play for a franchise that isn’t winning. We saw it with Kevin Hayes. Do you want to win or do you want to get paid? When we talk about the type of money these guys make, millions and tens of millions of dollars, is a few extra million worth not winning or having a chance to win? I mean, why do you play the sport?
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This is why I hope they continue the stated path to build a foundation that a big name star UFA would want to join. People talk about McDavid etc but I don’t understand why McDavid would ever want to come here. At least not in the short term. Players like that are looking to win now.
And to be honest I don’t trust a player who would accept an overpay to play for a franchise that isn’t winning. We saw it with Kevin Hayes. Do you want to win or do you want to get paid? When we talk about the type of money these guys make, millions and tens of millions of dollars, is a few extra million worth not winning or having a chance to win? I mean, why do you play the sport?
How do you trust players who resign with the team then?
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My belief is if Briere adds to the blue line it will be thru a trade. I believe the only UFA Dman even worth pursuing is Aaron Ekblad. I do doubt Briere will spend that kind of money. Still think Byram makes some sense. Doubt Drury would do it, but try and trade for K’Andre Miller. Dobson for me is ideal, but I do realize unrealistic. At 25, signing him long-term will be expensive and the assets to acquire also. However, he would be the anchor for the blue line thru Michkov’s prime, which I am fine doing. Just do not believe the regime will want to do this right now. Probably more interested in Romanov if available.
They couldn’t keep an Ekblad signing under the cap. Same with Dobson if he truly is available. The Flyers should have about $4.5M in cap space to add a Top 4 Dman. I think that’s doable but not with the high profile names bandied about. In a trade, they’ll have to send salary back. Then you hopefully upgraded but haven’t filled an open spot.
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This is why I hope they continue the stated path to build a foundation that a big name star UFA would want to join. People talk about McDavid etc but I don’t understand why McDavid would ever want to come here. At least not in the short term. Players like that are looking to win now.
And to be honest I don’t trust a player who would accept an overpay to play for a franchise that isn’t winning. We saw it with Kevin Hayes. Do you want to win or do you want to get paid? When we talk about the type of money these guys make, millions and tens of millions of dollars, is a few extra million worth not winning or having a chance to win? I mean, why do you play the sport?because flyers fans are dumb and uneducated for the most part. Been saying this for years aka TK, Sanheim, and ex selke. they fact they stayed speaks volumes to me. comfortable and complacent.
they didn’t hire and make tocchet the 3rd highest paid coach (which is a joke) to sit still.
a true rebuilding team pretty much runs it back, for 1 more year with Mckenna the prize, with a few tweaks and would have kept Shaw.
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They couldn’t keep an Ekblad signing under the cap. Same with Dobson if he truly is available. The Flyers should have about $4.5M in cap space to add a Top 4 Dman. I think that’s doable but not with the high profile names bandied about. In a trade, they’ll have to send salary back. Then you hopefully upgraded but haven’t filled an open spot.
good Gm’s find a way to get it done. shouldn’t be a problem cap wise if that is the path they choose.
not sure what 4.5 will buy you on free agency. a bottom pair dman masquerading as a top 4.
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My belief is if Briere adds to the blue line it will be thru a trade. I believe the only UFA Dman even worth pursuing is Aaron Ekblad. I do doubt Briere will spend that kind of money. Still think Byram makes some sense. Doubt Drury would do it, but try and trade for K’Andre Miller. Dobson for me is ideal, but I do realize unrealistic. At 25, signing him long-term will be expensive and the assets to acquire also. However, he would be the anchor for the blue line thru Michkov’s prime, which I am fine doing. Just do not believe the regime will want to do this right now. Probably more interested in Romanov if available.
They couldn’t keep an Ekblad signing under the cap. Same with Dobson if he truly is available. The Flyers should have about $4.5M in cap space to add a Top 4 Dman. I think that’s doable but not with the high profile names bandied about. In a trade, they’ll have to send salary back. Then you hopefully upgraded but haven’t filled an open spot.
I have no issue with moving salary out. The roster is in need of a major retool to be a real contender. Out of the current top 6 Dmen on the roster, I can see at most 2 remaining when the team becomes a true Cup contender. If a player like Dobson is available and can be a #1 Dman, start trading players on the roster. The chances of Briere being able to draft a #1 Dman and center is highly unlikely. Going to have to take a chance and trade significant assets to get one or the other.
Briere did a very good job trading for Zegras. However, if that was as far as he was willing to go to acquire a #1 Dman or center, he won’t be able to build a true contender, IMO.
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good Gm’s find a way to get it done. shouldn’t be a problem cap wise if that is the path they choose.
not sure what 4.5 will buy you on free agency. a bottom pair dman masquerading as a top 4.
It can be done but gets complicated. Seeing that Allen is asking high: $5M for 3 years. They need a goalie but the Flyers are reportedly balking at that ask. If they have to spend more than $3.5M on a goalie, then they don’t even have $4.5M for a Dman.
I have no issue with moving salary out. The roster is in need of a major retool to be a real contender. Out of the current top 6 Dmen on the roster, I can see at most 2 remaining when the team becomes a true Cup contender. If a player like Dobson is available and can be a #1 Dman, start trading players on the roster. The chances of Briere being able to draft a #1 Dman and center is highly unlikely. Going to have to take a chance and trade significant assets to get one or the other.
They could replace Brink and Zamula with league minimum players and save about $1.25M. Anything above that takes a much more significant chunk out of the roster.
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I am not especially optimistic of the Flyers landing a true top-flight center this offseason. I have heard there is interest in Gabe Vilardi, moving him back to center from wing. But how doable it is to acquire him, I do not know.
Would love Vilardi in Philly.
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Just have a feeling they are going to over pay to sign Jake Allen- probably a 2 year deal. Not sure what VAN is doing trying to extend Demko. Doubt Briere goes back to Verbeek for a third time to acquire another roster player from the Ducks. If it is supposedly “go time” next summer, this regime will have a hard sell with another team in the top 7. Goaltending was absolutely awful last season. Ersson still has not been able to have a complete season with a save % above .900.
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Just have a feeling they are going to over pay to sign Jake Allen- probably a 2 year deal. Not sure what VAN is doing trying to extend Demko. Doubt Briere goes back to Verbeek for a third time to acquire another roster player from the Ducks. If it is supposedly “go time” next summer, this regime will have a hard sell with another team in the top 7. Goaltending was absolutely awful last season. Ersson still has not been able to have a complete season with a save % above .900.
I’m not sure, if I’m Allen, I don’t want to take a run at the Cup in EDM if they’re offering and there’s reason to think they will. I’m really dodgy on Demko, plus you’d have to trade for him. Allen looks like the most solid choice, which is what the Flyers need here. After that, there’s a problem. I thought D and goal was the priority fix this off season. Dwindling cap space makes solving both problems seem less likely. At least get one fixed.
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Looks like the new CBA taking effect in 26-27 will include an 84 game schedule, with 4 preseason games, contracts maxed out at 7 years for resigning players and 6 years for UFA’s switching teams. A salary cap will also by in effect during the playoffs. The regular season will start the last week of September.
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Sure, goaltending and the D look disastrous but the forward lines have some interesting potential if all goes well with the top draftees:
Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Tippett-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-#6
Open-Open-HathawayI don’t dislike the looks of that once we’re into the season.
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Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Tippett-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-#6
Open-Open-Hathawaywhy do you continually leave brink put of every lineup you post? he is a lock unless traded. Abols will be the 4th line unless they sign a free agent. Pelletier still in the mix one would guess. maybe add that shabonov.
whoever they take at 6 and the Jett I pray are returned to whatever team they need to be returned too.
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Sure, goaltending and the D look disastrous but the forward lines have some interesting potential if all goes well with the top draftees:
Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Tippett-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-#6
Open-Open-HathawayI don’t dislike the looks of that once we’re into the season.
I don’t see them signing Cates and then not playing him at center. The smart move would be to not rush Luchanko or whoever is the 6th pick.I would not be too sad and would actually prefer Luchanko go back to Juniors for one more season. They rushed him last season when he was clearly not ready.
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Sure, goaltending and the D look disastrous but the forward lines have some interesting potential if all goes well with the top draftees:
Cates-Zegras-Michkov
Tippett-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Luchanko-#6
Open-Open-HathawayI don’t dislike the looks of that once we’re into the season.
Brink and Pelletier have a good chance to be on the opening night roster.
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I don’t see them signing Cates and then not playing him at center. The smart move would be to not rush Luchanko or whoever is the 6th pick.I would not be too sad and would actually prefer Luchanko go back to Juniors for one more season. They rushed him last season when he was clearly not ready.[/quote]
He was a first round pick who was exposed to 4 NHL games. He was sent back down. If he stayed up I could see and argument for rushing him.
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For free agents: Just because it’s the Flyers, I could see them targeting Trent Frederic.
I would be interested in signing Ryan Lindgren.
If they sign Shabanov, call it a summer for signings.
freddy reupped with the oilers last week
He’s listed as a UFA yet?
nevermind, just announce he signed
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“I hope they don’t press #6 into the lineup right away. Keeping Jett around to begin the season put him behind the 8-ball in a critical development season.”
I don’t think it’s out of hand to see him get the 10 game look out of camp like Luchanko did last year. I also don’t think it’s out of hand to see Luchanko start well enough with LHV to get called up. I can see them get a combined 50-60 games in with the Flyers.
“why do you continually leave brink put of every lineup you post? he is a lock unless traded. Abols will be the 4th line unless they sign a free agent. Pelletier still in the mix one would guess. maybe add that shabonov.”
The Flyers are going to develop beyond some guys sooner rather than later. Abols, Brink and Pelletier will get games but that won’t last forever.
“I don’t see them signing Cates and then not playing him at center.”
By the end of 25-26 I can easily see Couturier, Cates, Zegras, Luchanko and the center at #6 all being in the Top 12 playing for the Flyers. They can’t run five lines out there. Tocchet has already said they’d try Michkov and Zegras together. Why not put a 3rd man high cheating two-way forward out there with them?
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I don’t think it’s out of hand to see him get the 10 game look out of camp like Luchanko did last year. I also don’t think it’s out of hand to see Luchanko start well enough with LHV to get called up. I can see them get a combined 50-60 games in with the Flyers.
Any kid taken at #6 should be treated as being 12-24 months away, at a minimum. Even Schaefer should probably spend another year in junior. Teams keep hurrying these guys into the league and wondering why they don’t develop as expected.
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Any kid taken at #6 should be treated as being 12-24 months away, at a minimum. Even Schaefer should probably spend another year in junior. Teams keep hurrying these guys into the league and wondering why they don’t develop as expected.
Maybe they just weren’t as good as the scouts projected them. That happens too. Celebrini played a full season for SJ. Michkov was 19 the first half of last season. If guys aren’t ready, they aren’t ready. They will be soon enough. They shouldn’t be held back either. We won’t see what I’m suggesting on opening night, but it’s coming.
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– the Jett is either flyers or juniors. no AHL for him
– brink put up 41 points in his 2nd nhl season. he wil be a fixture in the flyers lineup unless traded. not even debatable.
– abols is a 1 year placeholder if that. no need to sign a 4th line vet and overpay. keep him or even that dorwart kid at this point. if they dont cut then can always find a 4th line center.
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– the Jett is either flyers or juniors. no AHL for him
– brink put up 41 points in his 2nd nhl season. he wil be a fixture in the flyers lineup unless traded. not even debatable.
– abols is a 1 year placeholder if that. no need to sign a 4th line vet and overpay. keep him or even that dorwart kid at this point. if they dont cut then can always find a 4th line center.
If Shabanov signs July 1st, he will be playing a top 6 role to start the season. Be curious, who gets pushed out. They have to give him plenty of time to play in a top 6 forward role to see if he can play in the NHL. By the end of the year, Shabanov will stay in the NHL or go back to the KHL.
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the Jett is either flyers or juniors. no AHL for him
– brink put up 41 points in his 2nd nhl season. he wil be a fixture in the flyers lineup unless traded. not even debatable.
Luchanko had 6 pts in 7 playoff games for LHV. He’s certainly ready for the AHL but, I was wrong on his eligibility. It is Flyers or Guelph. He could also make the big team and stick the whole season too. Brink is a fixture in your imagination. Do you think the Flyers won’t replace him with a guy who can get them .5 PPG who weighs 190 lbs instead of 160 lbs ASAP?
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– the Jett is either flyers or juniors. no AHL for him
– brink put up 41 points in his 2nd nhl season. he wil be a fixture in the flyers lineup unless traded. not even debatable.
– abols is a 1 year placeholder if that. no need to sign a 4th line vet and overpay. keep him or even that dorwart kid at this point. if they dont cut then can always find a 4th line center.
If Shabanov signs July 1st, he will be playing a top 6 role to start the season. Be curious, who gets pushed out. They have to give him plenty of time to play in a top 6 forward role to see if he can play in the NHL. By the end of the year, Shabanov will stay in the NHL or go back to the KHL.
brink could get traded, otherwise he is in the lineup for the foreseeable future. Brink will get phased out as the flyers love them some owen tippet. not gonna move the forrest ( as they shouldnt at this time).
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Read Jake Allen was looking for a 4 year deal. Good for him if he can get that term, definitely do not want the Flyers to give him that contract. Hofer extended in STL, so he is no longer an option. Demko may not extend, which will supposedly lead him to be traded. I expect the goal tending situation to be resolved pretty quickly after the start of free agency.
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Read Jake Allen was looking for a 4 year deal. Good for him if he can get that term, definitely do not want the Flyers to give him that contract. Hofer extended in STL, so he is no longer an option. Demko may not extend, which will supposedly lead him to be traded. I expect the goal tending situation to be resolved pretty quickly after the start of free agency.
Reimer is a UFA and might be what they need. With DET getting Gibson, Talbot might be available in a trade. Demko looks like an expensive risk to me. I’d rather see them play it fairly safe with the goalie situation.
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Well the Hague rumors proved to be false.
How were they false? Hague got traded after all. I was a bit surprised as the Pietrangelo is finished talk started shortly after the Hague rumors started. The Flyers don’t have the pieces to have matched what NSH gave up. Get the Dman in UFA. They have some cap space.
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Well the Hague rumors proved to be false.
How were they false? Hague got traded after all. I was a bit surprised as the Pietrangelo is finished talk started shortly after the Hague rumors started. The Flyers don’t have the pieces to have matched what NSH gave up. Get the Dman in UFA. They have some cap space.
Well, do you really believe if the Flyers valued Hague as a top 4 option, they did not have the assets to better NSH’s offer. I certainly believe they did and chose not to pursue. I’m fine with the lack of action for Hague.
I believe EDM will make changes in goal. I would have interest in Stu Skinner. I know it can be argued the Oilers lost the last 2 finals because of goaltending. However, goaltending was part of the reason they got to the finals (not the main reason) 2 straight times. Similar in my interest in Demko, Skinner is only signed for this season. Does not work out, no long term cap pain. Goaltending options appear to be dwindling quickly.
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Well, do you really believe if the Flyers valued Hague as a top 4 option, they did not have the assets to better NSH’s offer.
The Flyers literally don’t have a legit NHL 4C man (Sissons) and Lauzon is a veteran too and the Flyers need to add not swap. Hague individually was never a big deal, the Flyers need to fill a D spot. That’s why trades are tricky for the Flyers. They have too many holes yet themselves.
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Well, do you really believe if the Flyers valued Hague as a top 4 option, they did not have the assets to better NSH’s offer.
The Flyers literally don’t have a legit NHL 4C man (Sissons) and Lauzon is a veteran too and the Flyers need to add not swap. Hague individually was never a big deal, the Flyers need to fill a D spot. That’s why trades are tricky for the Flyers. They have too many holes yet themselves.
And I doubt there will be very many “needle movers” available at any position. If they go the UFA route it’s going to be either a huge overpay, or a guy trying to hold on to his career and get one more paycheck before he is out of the league. Offer sheets may be there, but that would also entail an overpay in money and assets.
It will be trades where Briere will fill his holes, at least in the short term. But that is just my opinion.
Some people are talking about Ekblad, but I just don’t see why he would want to sign here long term in a million years. By the time we are good he will be at the tail end of his career. Why would any guy do that? Unless they are just in it for the money. Then do we really want that guy anyway?
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And I doubt there will be very many “needle movers” available at any position. If they go the UFA route it’s going to be either a huge overpay, or a guy trying to hold on to his career and get one more paycheck before he is out of the league. Offer sheets may be there, but that would also entail an overpay in money and assets.
It will be trades where Briere will fill his holes, at least in the short term. But that is just my opinion.
Some people are talking about Ekblad, but I just don’t see why he would want to sign here long term in a million years. By the time we are good he will be at the tail end of his career. Why would any guy do that? Unless they are just in it for the money. Then do we really want that guy anyway?
A needle mover for THIS team is different than for a legit contender. They need a couple guys who can play at the NHL level. They don’t have much in the way of assets to trade. They got lucky with Zegras because ANA wanted the cap space and the Flyers had it but now are down to about $9M factoring in a York re-sign. See also Gibson trade. Flyers don’t have the cap space for Ekblad even if he wanted to come here. That’s pure fantasy.
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And I doubt there will be very many “needle movers” available at any position. If they go the UFA route it’s going to be either a huge overpay, or a guy trying to hold on to his career and get one more paycheck before he is out of the league. Offer sheets may be there, but that would also entail an overpay in money and assets.
It will be trades where Briere will fill his holes, at least in the short term. But that is just my opinion.
Some people are talking about Ekblad, but I just don’t see why he would want to sign here long term in a million years. By the time we are good he will be at the tail end of his career. Why would any guy do that? Unless they are just in it for the money. Then do we really want that guy anyway?
A needle mover for THIS team is different than for a legit contender. They need a couple guys who can play at the NHL level. They don’t have much in the way of assets to trade. They got lucky with Zegras because ANA wanted the cap space and the Flyers had it but now are down to about $9M factoring in a York re-sign. See also Gibson trade. Flyers don’t have the cap space for Ekblad even if he wanted to come here. That’s pure fantasy.
Yep, hence the guy looking to stick around the league for a last trip around the sun….
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Yep, hence the guy looking to stick around the league for a last trip around the sun….
I’m fine with that so long as he holds up his end in his role. I’m not expecting a fully finished rebuild for this season, just a good step in the right direction and last season exposed some glaring deficiencies.
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Yep, hence the guy looking to stick around the league for a last trip around the sun….
I’m fine with that so long as he holds up his end in his role. I’m not expecting a fully finished rebuild for this season, just a good step in the right direction and last season exposed some glaring deficiencies.
Ekblad sign in Florida for 8 years at $6.1 aav. I guess he still likes winning. Bill Zito really is getting in done. Can Florida three peat?
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Ekblad sign in Florida for 8 years at $6.1 aav.
Super home town discount. At $6.1M for a really solid Dman, the Flyers could still add a $2.5M goalie, fill their two biggest holes and look very interesting going into this season.
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Marner traded for Roy…….seems a bit lopsided
It was for his rights, it was either a deal like that or lose him for nothing in UFA.
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So rumors circulating that the Flyers are pursuing Corey Perry. I guess they want to create a top notch annoying 4th line. Not sure the path trying to sign another winger with the abundance they already have. I would hope a winger off the roster would be shipped out.
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Marner traded for Roy…….seems a bit lopsided
It was for his rights, it was either a deal like that or lose him for nothing in UFA.
I get it….just find this one amusing
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Christian Dvorak 1 year 5.4 million
The new Ryan Poehling
Pretty high cap hit for a guy who scores 30 points, but I guess that is how they got the one year deal.
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Christian Dvorak 1 year 5.4 million
The new Ryan Poehling
Pretty high cap hit for a guy who scores 30 points, but I guess that is how they got the one year deal.
I don’t understand this one.
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<p data-userway-font-size=”12″ style=”transition: all; font-size: 15px !important;” data-userway-s4-bigger-text-styled=”true”>Christian Dvorak 1 year 5.4 million
what would his cap hit be for a play off team
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Pretty meh signings, considering the lack of term is a good thing. Over pay on a a 1 year a whole lot better then over paying for multi years. Really hope they trade a goalie and bet on upside then select from the slop left in free agency. Canes just signed a goalie from the KHL and traded for Primeau. Maybe the Kochetkov rumors are true. Still would hope they move a winger off the roster.
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1 year deals. not bad.
Shabanov, York extension and a Lyon reunion next?
Why I was surprised we signed Dvorak for 5.4. He was just someone who wasn’t on my radar at all.Not sure what Shabanov will want. Guess Yok will be 5-6 mil.
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Lane Pederson?
Just Signed Vladar
did not see pederson, but that would be to help the phantoms out
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What an addition to our wonderful stable of sub-900 goaltenders
what would have made you happy? genuinely curious.
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Dan Vladar 2 years 3.35 aav
What an addition to our wonderful stable of sub-900 goaltenders
all these signings are good if we want a 1C next draft
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Well, their record over the past decade pretty much tells us this, but hey, business as usual!
it’s fine to criticize the organization but at least make sense
you’re right the flyers are a garbage organization – see you here tomorrow!
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his SV% last year was .887
Above-900 NHL seasons:
Rittich 7 of 10
Vladar 1 of 5Flyers crack goaltending coaches and team doctors will fix him tho.
but you would have whined that he had a low SV% last year.
have they even announced the cap hit? it’s a completely vanilla signing that you’re whining about. maybe the flyers valued 2 years over 1. it just comes across as complaining for the sake of doing so. fight a worthwhile fight at least lol
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So we have about 11 mil in cap space with Ellis on IR.
Is it just the York extension now and we are done?
A couple of fillers for this year. There were a few names i wish we targeted. Guessing another pick around 9-12
hopefully Shabanov. if we can do that and get York squared away, assuming we flip Dvorak for picks at the TDL, it’s not a bad day.
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Above-900 NHL seasons:
Rittich 7 of 10
Vladar 1 of 5Flyers crack goaltending coaches and team doctors will fix him tho. — Tomahawk
Vladar has averaged 25 games per season in the 4 years he’s been an NHL regular, with the highest total being 30 games. Hell, his career high was 41 games for an ECHL team back in 2017/18. Based on the averages he’s had as an NHL regular (and his career high), is giving Ersson somewhere in the area of 50-60 games really “sharing the load?”
I get it, the pickings were slim. But based on the information above, throwing the money they did at what on the surface appears to be another below average goaltender doesn’t seem overly wise.
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So we have about 11 mil in cap space with Ellis on IR.
Is it just the York extension now and we are done?
A couple of fillers for this year. There were a few names i wish we targeted. Guessing another pick around 9-12
Right. We may have a little more cap space if we send Fedotov down.
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have they even announced the cap hit?
1 x $1M
yeah saw that – wasn’t posted right away. should be good for them. not losing sleep over it though lol
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Looks like foerster will miss the start of the season with an arm injury according to the inquirer
wow i did NOT see that coming /s
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Any word on Shabanov? Reading that the Rags are the frontrunner now.
god i hope not. haven’t watched a single game of his and know nothing about him other than he was a finalist for MVP in the KHL – but damnit I want him.
a guy like Brink probably wouldn’t be too sad to see the flyers miss out on him though.
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Any word on Shabanov? Reading that the Rags are the frontrunner now.
god i hope not. haven’t watched a single game of his and know nothing about him other than he was a finalist for MVP in the KHL – but damnit I want him.
a guy like Brink probably wouldn’t be too sad to see the flyers miss out on him though.
LOL true enough. Ive only watched the same youtube highlights that everyone else has seen. BUt from what Ive seen he looks skilled, and fast. Like a higher quality Brink lol
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i get that he is likely the odd man out but I do think rose to the occasion under torts. that brink-cates-foerester line was really good for stretches. he showed more tenacity than I initially thought he was capable of.
He showed some spark and some skill. He’s an admirable player. He’ll likely get quite a few games in this year yet. It just cracks me up that every time I’ve said the Flyers were going to move away from smallish players like him, even before the draft, I always heard his name brought up as if I had just taken a dump on their kid’s birthday cake.
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a guy like Brink probably wouldn’t be too sad to see the flyers miss out on him though.
Like a higher quality Brink
Again with the Brink love.
How so?
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How so?
His name comes up a lot, especially when I post possible future line combinations and don’t include him. He seems to have a lot of fans here. I find it amusing, that’s all. He is an admirable guy though, like I said. Playing and being a .5 PPG guy at his size is quite an accomplishment. But I also see a lot of general dumping on the team at the same time I see the same fans jumping to his defense.
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How so?
His name comes up a lot, especially when I post possible future line combinations and don’t include him. He seems to have a lot of fans here. I find it amusing, that’s all. He is an admirable guy though, like I said. Playing and being a .5 PPG guy at his size is quite an accomplishment. But I also see a lot of general dumping on the team at the same time I see the same fans jumping to his defense.
I don’t see how you consistently omitting him from your lineups when he will clearly be in the lineup barring a trade or injury is people coming to his defense. Most people see it as an omission and nothing more. Especially now that Pelletier is no longer in the equation.
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I don’t see how you consistently omitting him from your lineups when he will clearly be in the lineup barring a trade or injury is people coming to his defense. Most people see it as an omission and nothing more. Especially now that Pelletier is no longer in the equation.
I still don’t think it’s all that clear. Just like I don’t think it’s clear they won’t flip Cates to wing especially with the Dvorak signing.
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Looks like they’re about done spending money outside of extending York.
They’ll be slightly better, and maybe even entertaining. Martone is hopefully a nice long term addition who I’m guessing takes a year before entering the NHL. Maybe not.
I expect them to still be lottery bound.
After that, they should have a nice young core and be ready to splash some cash around.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
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i get that he is likely the odd man out but I do think rose to the occasion under torts. that brink-cates-foerester line was really good for stretches. he showed more tenacity than I initially thought he was capable of.
He showed some spark and some skill. He’s an admirable player. He’ll likely get quite a few games in this year yet. It just cracks me up that every time I’ve said the Flyers were going to move away from smallish players like him, even before the draft, I always heard his name brought up as if I had just taken a dump on their kid’s birthday cake.
he will be a regular in the lineup on a daily basis. accept it.
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Looks like they’re about done spending money outside of extending York.
They’ll be slightly better, and maybe even entertaining. Martone is hopefully a nice long term addition who I’m guessing takes a year before entering the NHL. Maybe not.
I expect them to still be lottery bound.
After that, they should have a nice young core and be ready to splash some cash around.
who do you have as their core going forward?
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Have to appreciate a franchise that spends to the cap ceiling just to finish last in their division.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Seems like they are just buying time. Tochett here to work with the youth. UFA just signed for one year. Prospects will need another 2-4 years. After Danny’s presser, seems like they at least won’t go big name hunting for the time being.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Seems like they are just buying time. Tochett here to work with the youth. UFA just signed for one year. Prospects will need another 2-4 years. After Danny’s presser, seems like they at least won’t go big name hunting for the time being.
buying time for what? not like they have a farm system chock full of high end talent. why not run it back then to give the few younger guys in the system a shot to see what they have? they spend money just to spend money. only positive is yes 1 year deals that wont kill you though to me just doesn’t make much sense where the flyers are at and have been for years.
this big game hunting shit is too funny. most delusional management team I have ever come across.
agree with you that the guys they drafted are 4 years away if they pan out. even then how much contribution can you expect from then out of the gate?
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Have to appreciate a franchise that spends to the cap ceiling just to finish last in their division.
they just have to spend. baffling they won’t bank that cap space to utilize down the line
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
You are so clueless lol
you still need to ice a team. they got warm bodies for 1-2 year deals. Who do they need to evaluate at the nhl level?
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
You are so clueless lol
you still need to ice a team. they got warm bodies for 1-2 year deals. Who do they need to evaluate at the nhl level?
IMO they will need time to see if Michkov, Porter, jett, Bonk, Nesbitt and Amico are a good core to move forward and build around.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
You are so clueless lol
you still need to ice a team. they got warm bodies for 1-2 year deals. Who do they need to evaluate at the nhl level?
I strive to be as in tune as you are, you are a guru. wish I wasn’t clueless like you.
yes they have plenty of bodies to ice a team. there was zero need to bring in the guys they did yesterday. with those additions they are still a lottery bad team.
there is no path for Grans right now. probably Andrea as well. want to move on from zamula fine. Andrae and grans should be in the lineup to start the season. it hurts nothing to give them a long look. What do the 2 dman they signed yesterday offer this team? how can you not want to play those 2 above seeing where the flyers are at currently? their pride and joy hunter Macdonald also has no path.
they sign a guy for 5.4 to be a 4th line center? why? what does it accomplish?
hysterical you calling anyone clueless.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Tocc got a couple of former players he likes and they brought in a warm body in net. That seems like the extent of the plan.
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what’s the flyers goal after yesterday? what is the plan? they sign guys who will really not improve the team. they are still going to be bad. why not then just evaluate what you have in-house. keep the cap space to for down the line to see if any deals pop up or to broker a deal to get additional assets/players back.
just more spinning in the hamster wheel.
Tocc got a couple of former players he likes and they brought in a warm body in net. That seems like the extent of the plan.
either bring in players who can possibly help with the future (zegras) or stand pat. what do I know as I am clueless
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either bring in players who can possibly help with the future (zegras) or stand pat. what do I know as I am clueless
low commitment, vanilla insurance policy signings. no one is holding anyone back. every team does this and it’s sad this needs to be explained to you.
do not care what other teams do.
what insurance policy? yet you call me clueless.
answer this for me, why not just roll with what you have inhouse if these are such vanilla signings? what is the actual benefit?
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Yikes, Danny gave Vladar a partial no-trade lol.
lol were we trading him at some point during his extensive 2 year tenure? And for what?
what’s the opposite of approving everything the flyers do? It’s just as pathetic.
You can cherry pick a negative spin on every signing in the league yesterday. You lose credibility when you make it your personality. when you let completely rational moves eat away at you, you show your hand. It’s not healthy lol.
Giving Vladar a partial no-move is like Susan signing George’s pre-nup.
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You’ve made it your whole personality. When you criticize nothing moves so you have something to whine about. All credibility lost. It shows your complete lack of understanding of what’s going on lol
Flyers suck! See you here tomorrow!
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Pelletier signed with tampa for 3 years
wish him the best was a good guy
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Dvorak played pretty well for Tocchet in AZ so you know where that tip came from. Seems to put up enough offense to be a 3rd line center rather than a 4th. He’s great on faceoffs which is a need. This spot was well filled. Say hello to your new left wing: Noah Cates. Hahaahahha!
Juulsen is another Tocchet guy from VAN. He obviously likes this guy and loves Rierden as a D coach. Underwhelmed with this need fill. Straight up defensive Dman. Only 157 games in at 28. We’ll see.
Vladar is below the .900 save percentage benchmark and is no proven workhorse. Not much to say here. The biggest need fill is the most disappointing. He was really good down the stretch in occasional duty. Somebody on the Flyers likes him though.
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Vladar is below the .900 save percentage benchmark and is no proven workhorse. Not much to say here. The biggest need fill is the most disappointing. He was really good down the stretch in occasional duty. Somebody on the Flyers likes him though.
I think the key here is the two years. Lyon also got two years and apparently wanted to come back.
Either way, all these signings help with our chances for McKenna.
Pettersen also got a deal with Minny
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I think the key here is the two years. Lyon also got two years and apparently wanted to come back.
I’ve seen a bit more of Lyon with him playing in the east. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Vladar play a game although some folks did talk him up as an option. Neither were in my top 3-4 choices. The lack of games per year looks like a sticking point. The guys I liked better have more more games in a season. I think the Flyers may need a guy who can go 50 games or more depending on Ersson.
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– The only major addition is Zegras. Is the master plan they will hit a grand slam in 2026 free agency?
– Completely capped out. No playoffs for 5 years. Will be 6.
– Would have been better to not sign Dvorak and keep the extra space.
– York ext was good on flyers end. Though can’t see them being contenders within that 5 year window.
– Wonder what kind of extension they will end up giving Zegras and when. I ride it all year as do not see any hurry to go down that road.
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– The only major addition is Zegras. Is the master plan they will hit a grand slam in 2026 free agency?
– Completely capped out. No playoffs for 5 years. Will be 6.
– Would have been better to not sign Dvorak and keep the extra space.
– York ext was good on flyers end. Though can’t see them being contenders within that 5 year window.
– Wonder what kind of extension they will end up giving Zegras and when. I ride it all year as do not see any hurry to go down that road.
Dvorak, on paper, looks like a good add. Enough offense and he can win face offs. He could be a 3rd line center if Cates flips to left wing. Hahahaha! Yes, the one year deal is inflated. They might have been able to get roughly the same for a lot less but Tocchet likes him. For a year, I’m OK with it. It doesn’t matter they’re up against the cap because they have $6-7M in dead space going away next year, which more than covers any Zegras increase and gives them $5.75M plus any cap increase for next year to add more UFAs. Clearly, a big part of any current plan is more comprehensive coaching and development. That isn’t counted against the cap. I still think they needed a big addition on D, but it didn’t happen. We’ll see how it goes.
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– The only major addition is Zegras. Is the master plan they will hit a grand slam in 2026 free agency?
– Completely capped out. No playoffs for 5 years. Will be 6.
– Would have been better to not sign Dvorak and keep the extra space.
– York ext was good on flyers end. Though can’t see them being contenders within that 5 year window.
– Wonder what kind of extension they will end up giving Zegras and when. I ride it all year as do not see any hurry to go down that road.
Dvorak, on paper, looks like a good add. Enough offense and he can win face offs. He could be a 3rd line center if Cates flips to left wing. Hahahaha! Yes, the one year deal is inflated. They might have been able to get roughly the same for a lot less but Tocchet likes him. For a year, I’m OK with it. It doesn’t matter they’re up against the cap because they have $6-7M in dead space going away next year, which more than covers any Zegras increase and gives them $5.75M plus any cap increase for next year to add more UFAs. Clearly, a big part of any current plan is more comprehensive coaching and development. That isn’t counted against the cap. I still think they needed a big addition on D, but it didn’t happen. We’ll see how it goes.
Dvorak is a meaningless add to me. Doesn’t do anything to move the team forward. Wasn’t needed.
Cap space does matter. Limits what you can do all year. Maybe a player falls out of favor or vice versa. Can use it to be a middle man. Never know when a deal may pop up. Someone unexpected goes on waivers. Limits what you can do at the deadline
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Dvorak is a meaningless add to me. Doesn’t do anything to move the team forward. Wasn’t needed.
Cap space does matter. Limits what you can do all year. Maybe a player falls out of favor or vice versa. Can use it to be a middle man. Never know when a deal may pop up. Someone unexpected goes on waivers. Limits what you can do at the deadline
They still have wiggle room with the cap. They can waive guys on minimum+ deals and replace them with minimum contract guys. It’s not a lot but there’s some flexibility. Not sure what impact player is going to fall into anybody’s lap this year and the Flyers won’t be buyers at the deadline. Dvorak does fill a need, expensively and short term sure, but he fills it. Was I disappointed with the goalie and defense need fills? Sure, but how much turnover can any team really do in one off season? Maybe a third of the team, 6 or 7 guys, tops? The Flyers might have four. Let’s see what happens but it’s still three months off.
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Cap space matters but I can see the Flyers getting a 3rd round pick for Dvorak at the deadline if they don’t eat any cap for the rest of the season, maybe a conditional 2nd from a bona fide contender (AKA a late second-rounder) that is willing to overpay to take a run at the Cup. Big centers who can score a few goals in the playoffs and also kill penalties tend to draw overpayments as rentals.
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Cap space matters but I can see the Flyers getting a 3rd round pick for Dvorak at the deadline if they don’t eat any cap for the rest of the season, maybe a conditional 2nd from a bona fide contender (AKA a late second-rounder) that is willing to overpay to take a run at the Cup. Big centers who can score a few goals in the playoffs and also kill penalties tend to draw overpayments as rentals.
Exactly. Maybe a 2nd if he has a good year. He does the kinds of things that help teams win. I did think adding Dvorak to solve this need was a bit of overkill compared to the underwhelming adds in goal and on D. I’m curious how it will fit together and am looking forward to the season.
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Cap space matters but I can see the Flyers getting a 3rd round pick for Dvorak at the deadline if they don’t eat any cap for the rest of the season, maybe a conditional 2nd from a bona fide contender (AKA a late second-rounder) that is willing to overpay to take a run at the Cup. Big centers who can score a few goals in the playoffs and also kill penalties tend to draw overpayments as rentals.
Better chance they re-sign him if he has a good year ….
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Cap space matters but I can see the Flyers getting a 3rd round pick for Dvorak at the deadline if they don’t eat any cap for the rest of the season, maybe a conditional 2nd from a bona fide contender (AKA a late second-rounder) that is willing to overpay to take a run at the Cup. Big centers who can score a few goals in the playoffs and also kill penalties tend to draw overpayments as rentals.
Exactly. Maybe a 2nd if he has a good year. He does the kinds of things that help teams win. I did think adding Dvorak to solve this need was a bit of overkill compared to the underwhelming adds in goal and on D. I’m curious how it will fit together and am looking forward to the season.
He hasnt helped teams wins based on his high total of playoff games …
Maybe they use him on wing and take face offs
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Maybe they use him on wing and take face offs
Dvorak- Zegras- mmHahahaha! Exactly! Seriously though, there will be instances of Couturier and Dvorak both being on the ice for defensive zone draws late in games where the Flyers are up. I think the better Dvorak plays, the more likely he’ll be traded if the Flyers fall out of any race by the deadline. That’s all speculation now. We need to think about more pressing matters like who claims Brink when the Flyers waive him.
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The likeliest scenario is that Tocchet will do a lot of experimentation in training camp and early in the regular season. Zegras may primarily play center but he may also periodically take shifts on wing. Ditto Cates for different reasons.
Zegras gets every shot at center. Cates could fill the Jochen Hecht/Ville Leino role on left wing the way those guys did for Briere when he was creating offense down near the goal line. Third man stays high. That’s Cates. Getting to suddenly play on a line with guys like Zegras and Michkov and jack his own scoring numbers will ease any pain. Cates and Dvorak are both too good to not be Top 9 guys on this team.
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The likeliest scenario is that Tocchet will do a lot of experimentation in training camp and early in the regular season. Zegras may primarily play center but he may also periodically take shifts on wing. Ditto Cates for different reasons.
Zegras gets every shot at center. Cates could fill the Jochen Hecht/Ville Leino role on left wing the way those guys did for Briere when he was creating offense down near the goal line. Third man stays high. That’s Cates. Getting to suddenly play on a line with guys like Zegras and Michkov and jack his own scoring numbers will ease any pain. Cates and Dvorak are both too good to not be Top 9 guys on this team.
I could also see Dvorak ending up on Zegras’ wing with Michkov. Taking all the faceoffs but allowing Zegras to “play the position”. Its good to have options.
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The likeliest scenario is that Tocchet will do a lot of experimentation in training camp and early in the regular season. Zegras may primarily play center but he may also periodically take shifts on wing. Ditto Cates for different reasons.
Zegras gets every shot at center. Cates could fill the Jochen Hecht/Ville Leino role on left wing the way those guys did for Briere when he was creating offense down near the goal line. Third man stays high. That’s Cates. Getting to suddenly play on a line with guys like Zegras and Michkov and jack his own scoring numbers will ease any pain. Cates and Dvorak are both too good to not be Top 9 guys on this team.
I could also see Dvorak ending up on Zegras’ wing with Michkov. Taking all the faceoffs but allowing Zegras to “play the position”. Its good to have options.
Mentioned that above. Though id Zegras is a long term fit at center he will need to improve and take those face offs.
This would be a good time to allow him to learn on the job as the flyers are not going anywhere. Can’t get frustrated as jsut let him play. Will the coach do that?
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Mentioned that above. Though id Zegras is a long term fit at center he will need to improve and take those face offs.
That can be developed but Dvorak and Couturier are both really good on the draw right now. Cates is sub-.500 at the dot too. I’ve been suggesting a Cates flip to wing was in the offing since before Dvorak was signed. It’s pretty obvious the path the Flyers are following and, in general, it’s the correct one based on their current composition. You want a reasonably accurate prediction for what the Flyers are going to do, just ask.
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Mentioned that above. Though id Zegras is a long term fit at center he will need to improve and take those face offs.
That can be developed but Dvorak and Couturier are both really good on the draw right now. Cates is sub-.500 at the dot too. I’ve been suggesting a Cates flip to wing was in the offing since before Dvorak was signed. It’s pretty obvious the path the Flyers are following and, in general, it’s the correct one based on their current composition. You want a reasonably accurate prediction for what the Flyers are going to do, just ask.
– yes it can be developed. that is why it is important to let zegras take the majority of the draws. let him learn on the job to improve. potential short term pain for long term gain. would that not be best for the future?
– its pretty obvious the path the flyers are on? do tell.
– Yes I want reasonably accurate prediction for what the flyers are going to do. again do tell.
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– yes it can be developed. that is why it is important to let zegras take the majority of the draws. let him learn on the job to improve. potential short term pain for long term gain. would that not be best for the future?
– its pretty obvious the path the flyers are on? do tell.
– Yes I want reasonably accurate prediction for what the flyers are going to do. again do tell.
You’ve already gotten several and are now pretending you weren’t critical of each of them at the time.
1. Flyers need to get bigger and stronger. Payoff: The draft and not tendering Pelletier.
2. Flyers need a goalie. Payoff: Signed Vladar. I’m not thrilled with this, but they did address it.
3. Need to upgrade the Dmen. Payoff: Again, not thrilled with the end result, but they did add there.
4. Need to fill holes at center. Payoff: Zegras trade and Dvorak signing.
5. Need centers who can win faceoffs. Payoff: Dvorak again.
6. An impending logjam at center might cause a center to be flipped to wing. Payoff: Now a few observers, not named FlyerFrank, are discussing this. I’ve been suggesting it since this board opened.
Unless something falls into Briere’s lap, this is the team that goes to camp and opens the season.
Anything else?
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– yes it can be developed. that is why it is important to let zegras take the majority of the draws. let him learn on the job to improve. potential short term pain for long term gain. would that not be best for the future?
– its pretty obvious the path the flyers are on? do tell.
– Yes I want reasonably accurate prediction for what the flyers are going to do. again do tell.
You’ve already gotten several and are now pretending you weren’t critical of each of them at the time.
1. Flyers need to get bigger and stronger. Payoff: The draft and not tendering Pelletier.
2. Flyers need a goalie. Payoff: Signed Vladar. I’m not thrilled with this, but they did address it.
3. Need to upgrade the Dmen. Payoff: Again, not thrilled with the end result, but they did add there.
4. Need to fill holes at center. Payoff: Zegras trade and Dvorak signing.
5. Need centers who can win faceoffs. Payoff: Dvorak again.
6. An impending logjam at center might cause a center to be flipped to wing. Payoff: Now a few observers, not named FlyerFrank, are discussing this. I’ve been suggesting it since this board opened.
Unless something falls into Briere’s lap, this is the team that goes to camp and opens the season.
Anything else?
lets address each point.
1.the flyers need to add top end talent. first and foremost. once again the flyers are chasing their tail trying to emulate the current trend. Their is no payoff and wont be for years, if at all.
2. they still need a goalie. there is likely to be no payoff with vlader. not addressed in my eye.
3. they didnt and their is no payoff. they added a fn 6/7th dman at best.
4. agree.
5. doesn’t matter at this stage.
6. there is no logjam at center in any way.
yes this is the team. Do you see it being a playoff team? do you really see much progress being made to help them become contenders in god knows how many years. how many on this roster will be here in 4 years?
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1.the flyers need to add top end talent. first and foremost. once again the flyers are chasing their tail trying to emulate the current trend. Their is no payoff and wont be for years, if at all.
2. they still need a goalie. there is likely to be no payoff with vlader. not addressed in my eye.
3. they didnt and their is no payoff. they added a fn 6/7th dman at best.
4. agree.
5. doesn’t matter at this stage.
6. there is no logjam at center in any way.
1. Well, yeah but that doesn’t happen in one off season. The hope is obviously they added two TE talents in Zegras and Martone and already have three in Konecny, Michkov and Sanheim. I think a player can also be a top end talent in his role which can expand the definition a little. Cup winners have that.
2. We can just hope for the best that Vladar delivers what they need. His numbers don’t look bad except for games played. The Flyers might need him for 50 games. It is what it is now.
3. Todd Rierden will turn them all into Norris candidates. He’s that good a coach. What else can I say there?
4. What???!!!
5. When you’re trying to win hockey games in the best league in the world, every aspect of game play matters.
6. There’s already speculation from credible sources somebody will have to flip to wing. You heard it first from me here but scoffed. That’s without penciling in Luchanko and Nesbitt. There’s still a good chance Luchanko gets some games in this year. Nesbitt, of course, is a good two years away.
Pre-season optimism tells me the Flyers could be a bubble team and with some breaks sneak in. Only 91 points got teams in last year, so adding 15 points gets them there. On the down side, it usually takes 95-96 points to get in. The bottom of the conference sagged badly last year and the very top teams scooped up more points than usual. Lots of confounding factors. I just want to see entertaining hockey this year.
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Top 100 drafted NHL prospects ranking: Schaefer, Misa, Demidov lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Martone ranked #9 (4th-best from ’25 draft)
Bonk ranked #45 (Perreault ranked #13)
Luchanko ranked #54 (Buium ranked #5)- Top-10
#1 Schaefer
#2 Misa
#3 Demidov
#4 Parekh
#5 Buium
#6 Dickinson
#7 Levshunov
#8 Hagens
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Top 100 drafted NHL prospects ranking: Schaefer, Misa, Demidov lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Martone ranked #9 (4th-best from ’25 draft)
Bonk ranked #45 (Perreault ranked #13)
Luchanko ranked #54 (Buium ranked #5)- Top-10
#1 Schaefer
#2 Misa
#3 Demidov
#4 Parekh
#5 Buium
#6 Dickinson
#7 Levshunov
#8 Hagens
#9 Martone
#10 CattonYeah, I noticed the same thing. It is what it is at this point and we can only hope for the best.
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Peeps just need to trust flahr and his drafting. His track record speaks for itself. Danny ain’t no fool.
Need to see it all play out in a few years. Hopefully they won’t need another new era of orange. Speaking of which wonder who may be in line to be the next GM from any in house candidates.
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1.the flyers need to add top end talent. first and foremost. once again the flyers are chasing their tail trying to emulate the current trend. Their is no payoff and wont be for years, if at all.
2. they still need a goalie. there is likely to be no payoff with vlader. not addressed in my eye.
3. they didnt and their is no payoff. they added a fn 6/7th dman at best.
4. agree.
5. doesn’t matter at this stage.
6. there is no logjam at center in any way.
1. Well, yeah but that doesn’t happen in one off season. The hope is obviously they added two TE talents in Zegras and Martone and already have three in Konecny, Michkov and Sanheim. I think a player can also be a top end talent in his role which can expand the definition a little. Cup winners have that.
2. We can just hope for the best that Vladar delivers what they need. His numbers don’t look bad except for games played. The Flyers might need him for 50 games. It is what it is now.
3. Todd Rierden will turn them all into Norris candidates. He’s that good a coach. What else can I say there?
4. What???!!!
5. When you’re trying to win hockey games in the best league in the world, every aspect of game play matters.
6. There’s already speculation from credible sources somebody will have to flip to wing. You heard it first from me here but scoffed. That’s without penciling in Luchanko and Nesbitt. There’s still a good chance Luchanko gets some games in this year. Nesbitt, of course, is a good two years away.
Pre-season optimism tells me the Flyers could be a bubble team and with some breaks sneak in. Only 91 points got teams in last year, so adding 15 points gets them there. On the down side, it usually takes 95-96 points to get in. The bottom of the conference sagged badly last year and the very top teams scooped up more points than usual. Lots of confounding factors. I just want to see entertaining hockey this year.
1. zegras is not top end talent and marone hasn tplayed 1 nhl game as of yet. jumpong the gun a tad. hope and “ifs” the flyers mantra
2. vlader’s past play shows he is unlikley to deliver.
3. next brad shaw.
5. whats more important, developing zegras as a top 6 center or winning a few more games? not sayin dont use ex selke or dvorak in some situations. let zegras do it. see if he can handle it as better to fin out now than next season.
6. again no logjam at all. dvorak will likely play wing more than cates.
you say only need to make up 15 points or a tad more. they would have to pass 8 teams. you also dont accpunt for other teams being better. playoffs are an unrealistic goal imo.
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zegras is not top end talent
He is a top end talent but he doesn’t always give you top end play/production. Verbeek and Cronin really fucked with his swagger and honestly I’m not sure Philly is gonna be the place he gets it back. Tocchet loves the methodical dump and chase and 200-foot game plan… none of that will play into TZ’s strengths. And the fanbase…
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Top 100 drafted NHL prospects ranking: Schaefer, Misa, Demidov lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Martone ranked #9 (4th-best from ’25 draft)
Bonk ranked #45 (Perreault ranked #13)
Luchanko ranked #54 (Buium ranked #5)- Top-10
#1 Schaefer
#2 Misa
#3 Demidov
#4 Parekh
#5 Buium
#6 Dickinson
#7 Levshunov
#8 Hagens
#9 Martone
#10 Cattonseeing how bad the flyers have been over the years. word is they only have 3 in the top 100. that isnt all that good. any idea what the rest of the teams in the division look like.
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1. zegras is not top end talent and marone hasn tplayed 1 nhl game as of yet. jumpong the gun a tad. hope and “ifs” the flyers mantra
2. vlader’s past play shows he is unlikley to deliver.
3. next brad shaw.
5. whats more important, developing zegras as a top 6 center or winning a few more games? not sayin dont use ex selke or dvorak in some situations. let zegras do it. see if he can handle it as better to fin out now than next season.
6. again no logjam at all. dvorak will likely play wing more than cates.
you say only need to make up 15 points or a tad more. they would have to pass 8 teams. you also dont accpunt for other teams being better. playoffs are an unrealistic goal imo.
1. You mean Zegras isn’t a needle mover? Hahahaha! He played well down the stretch last year. If he stays healthy, I predict he’ll top his PPG those first two years in ANA. Martone will deliver. So now, it’s not enough the Flyers acquire potential top end talent, they must already be top end talent. Very realistic.
2. Unlikely to deliver what I think they might need from him. .900+ sv pct is not wildly out of reach but I think he might need to do that in as many as 50 games. The Flyers also seem to have more confidence in Ersson than I do. We’ll see.
3. Rierden is the big add on D, like it or not. I still think they need to revamp a lot of their D unless Todd can pull a couple rabbits out of his hat.
4. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Zegras will take plenty of draws. You really put your best faceoff guys out there for key draws. Obvious example: A defensive zone draw late in a game when you have a 1 goal lead. Not complicated.
5. Dvorak is, without question, a better faceoff man than Cates. Of course Cates, like Zegras, can get better.
There are five teams in the conference that are already playoff locks: FLA, CAR, TOR, WSH, TB. The Flyers are light years away from being better than those teams. The rest of the conference is not that great. MTL, on paper, looks improved. NYR will get a boost from roster moves and Sullivan . . . or not. OTT ran a nice end season hot streak into the playoffs. NJ isn’t the team of the future as some predicted. The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
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There are five teams in the conference that are already playoff locks: FLA, CAR, TOR, WSH, TB. The Flyers are light years away from being better than those teams. The rest of the conference is not that great. MTL, on paper, looks improved. NYR will get a boost from roster moves and Sullivan . . . or not. OTT ran a nice end season hot streak into the playoffs. NJ isn’t the team of the future as some predicted. The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
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Unfortunately, the Flyers offered no proof of that last season.
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Unfortunately, the Flyers offered no proof of that last season.
Hahaha, well that was last season. It’s not like I see all roses on the way this year. I saw plenty of troubling things that may or may not get fixed. Guys who just weren’t delivering up to what their roles required and a lot of bad puck support. Watching the playoffs more closely this year, both those things really matter. Of course, when I name names, I’m criticized here for that by people who seem to prefer a more generalized and thoroughly more consistent dump on the team. The Flyers can’t do anything right! Hahahahaha! The puck support stood out as inadequate to me. I hear Tocchet say he’d like to see more give-and-go plays to drive offense. Well, you need puck support to be able to make those short, fast give-and-go passes work. I want to see how that plays out. One bright spot from last year: They were 8th in the league in allowing the fewest shots against. Weird.
Cheer up and enjoy!
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There are five teams in the conference that are already playoff locks: FLA, CAR, TOR, WSH, TB. The Flyers are light years away from being better than those teams. The rest of the conference is not that great. MTL, on paper, looks improved. NYR will get a boost from roster moves and Sullivan . . . or not. OTT ran a nice end season hot streak into the playoffs. NJ isn’t the team of the future as some predicted. The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
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Unfortunately, the Flyers offered no proof of that last season.
Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
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Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
The Flyers finished last in the league in 06-07 by 11 points and made the conference finals the next year. That’s not going to happen this year, but I just mention it in passing. In 24-25, MTL improved 15 points and OTT improved 19 points over 23-24.
The Flyers will be significantly better this year. Do you think they’ll be worse? How come?
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Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
The Flyers finished last in the league in 06-07 by 11 points and made the conference finals the next year. That’s not going to happen this year, but I just mention it in passing. In 24-25, MTL improved 15 points and OTT improved 19 points over 23-24.
The Flyers will be significantly better this year. Do you think they’ll be worse? How come?
None of that has any bearing on you saying: The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
Please define significantly better.
They may be marginally better. From 4th worse to 8th. Is that really progress?
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Finished last in conf. Facts don’t back that up
The Flyers finished last in the league in 06-07 by 11 points and made the conference finals the next year. That’s not going to happen this year, but I just mention it in passing. In 24-25, MTL improved 15 points and OTT improved 19 points over 23-24.
The Flyers will be significantly better this year. Do you think they’ll be worse? How come?
It would be hard to be worse. I think they will fall short of the playoffs. So somewhere in between 4th worst and 16th worst overall. Still not making the playoffs is not “significantly” better to me. I am not upset that they will not make the playoffs. Just feel like finishing outside of the bottom five does not do much for their long term success.
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It would be hard to be worse. I think they will fall short of the playoffs. So somewhere in between 4th worst and 16th worst overall. Still not making the playoffs is not “significantly” better to me. I am not upset that they will not make the playoffs. Just feel like finishing outside of the bottom five does not do much for their long term success.
You don’t get to long term success without incremental improvement from where they were at the end of the season. The goaltending was putrid. Ersson has to play better and it would be nice if Vladar can be close to this year’s Kevin Lankinen. If that doesn’t happen, yeah they’re in trouble. The D remains an issue too with two Top 4 guys coming up short of what was needed in York and Drysdale. That has to improve too. Briere decided in season last year that Frost and Farabee weren’t answers and essentially gave them away. I think those slots were filled nicely this off season. The forward corps actually looks good. Being competitive for a playoff spot this year will be satisfying to me. If they sneak in, great. Again, the rest of the conference isn’t that great.
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None of that has any bearing on you saying: The rest of the conference sucks worse than the Flyers.
Please define significantly better.
They may be marginally better. From 4th worse to 8th. Is that really progress?
Ten to fifteen points better. The wheels fell off the wagon in net last year. That hurt a lot.
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It would be hard to be worse. I think they will fall short of the playoffs. So somewhere in between 4th worst and 16th worst overall. Still not making the playoffs is not “significantly” better to me. I am not upset that they will not make the playoffs. Just feel like finishing outside of the bottom five does not do much for their long term success.
You don’t get to long term success without incremental improvement from where they were at the end of the season. The goaltending was putrid. Ersson has to play better and it would be nice if Vladar can be close to this year’s Kevin Lankinen. If that doesn’t happen, yeah they’re in trouble. The D remains an issue too with two Top 4 guys coming up short of what was needed in York and Drysdale. That has to improve too. Briere decided in season last year that Frost and Farabee weren’t answers and essentially gave them away. I think those slots were filled nicely this off season. The forward corps actually looks good. Being competitive for a playoff spot this year will be satisfying to me. If they sneak in, great. Again, the rest of the conference isn’t that great.
I agree that incremental improvement is what you need when you are ready to start to compete. The Flyers are not ready to compete in my opinion. Until the Flyers get the high end (specifically #1 C and #1 D) talent they need competing for a playoff spot is counterproductive in my opinion. Teams do not trade out of the top 5 and teams do not let #1 C’s and D’s go in trade or FA.
Martone seems like he could be a piece. Michkov is here. What else are you seeing that will be near the level of Michkov? Surely nothing at center or D that could even be considered in that class.
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I agree that incremental improvement is what you need when you are ready to start to compete. The Flyers are not ready to compete in my opinion. Until the Flyers get the high end (specifically #1 C and #1 D) talent they need competing for a playoff spot is counterproductive in my opinion. Teams do not trade out of the top 5 and teams do not let #1 C’s and D’s go in trade or FA.
Martone seems like he could be a piece. Michkov is here. What else are you seeing that will be near the level of Michkov? Surely nothing at center or D that could even be considered in that class.
So the Flyers should just deliberately tank until 2030. Sounds like a plan. You seem so focused on “top end talent” you lose sight that it’s a team game. Michkov? He looks well on his way to being a “top end” scoring winger. Martone will be too. That’s two slots out of 20 on the team. I like the forwards but have written the D and goalies need to get better and the off season additions there are underwhelming. The Flyers have a #1 Dman in Sanheim, might have a #1 center in Zegras.
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I agree that incremental improvement is what you need when you are ready to start to compete. The Flyers are not ready to compete in my opinion. Until the Flyers get the high end (specifically #1 C and #1 D) talent they need competing for a playoff spot is counterproductive in my opinion. Teams do not trade out of the top 5 and teams do not let #1 C’s and D’s go in trade or FA.
Martone seems like he could be a piece. Michkov is here. What else are you seeing that will be near the level of Michkov? Surely nothing at center or D that could even be considered in that class.
So the Flyers should just deliberately tank until 2030. Sounds like a plan. You seem so focused on “top end talent” you lose sight that it’s a team game. Michkov? He looks well on his way to being a “top end” scoring winger. Martone will be too. That’s two slots out of 20 on the team. I like the forwards but have written the D and goalies need to get better and the off season additions there are underwhelming. The Flyers have a #1 Dman in Sanheim, might have a #1 center in Zegras.
The real issue is that they picked in the top 5 once in the last seven drafts. Picking once in the top five in 7 drafts is not going to get you the players you need to win a Stanley Cup. Even when you factor in the gift that Michkov turned out to be. Having a deep team is a good thing. I think they will get there on that front. If you are fine with that then so be it. I am a firm believer that you need top level talent at C and D to win in this league.
I am willing to bet that both the Hawks and Sharks will be cup contenders a few years ahead of the Flyers. Hawks last made the playoffs in 2019-20 same as the Flyers. Sharks last made the playoffs in 2018-19. Both teams were more aggressive than the Flyers with the rebuild they executed.
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The real issue is that they picked in the top 5 once in the last seven drafts. Picking once in the top five in 7 drafts is not going to get you the players you need to win a Stanley Cup. Even when you factor in the gift that Michkov turned out to be. Having a deep team is a good thing. I think they will get there on that front. If you are fine with that then so be it. I am a firm believer that you need top level talent at C and D to win in this league.
I am willing to bet that both the Hawks and Sharks will be cup contenders a few years ahead of the Flyers. Hawks last made the playoffs in 2019-20 same as the Flyers. Sharks last made the playoffs in 2018-19. Both teams were more aggressive than the Flyers with the rebuild they executed.
When you look at Cup winners more closely, you’ll see while Top 5 picks have had impact here and there, it’s not the only way to build a Cup winner.
CHI: Kane and Toews. Their top Dman was a late 2nd round pick.
BOS: Nobody fits your criterion.
LAK: Doughty fits. Kopitar was a mid-1st rounder.
PGH: Crosby and Malkin obviously. Letang was a 3rd rounder.
WSH: Ovi and Backstrom obviously. Nobody on D.
STL: Pietrangelo. Nobody fits up front.
TBL: Stamkos is a winger. Hedman fits.
COL: MacKinnon and Makar. The best fit to your claim.
LVK: Nobody fits.
FLA: Barkov and Ekblad. Another good fit but FLA has so much more than those two guys.
So two good fits to your claim accounting for 3 Cups over the last 15 seasons. Hardly persuasive.
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LVK: Nobody fits. Might want to check again. Same with the blues off top of my head
It is cute to see peeps still defend the flyers. Never gets old.
What have the flyers done to give you confidence they can get out of this decade plus hole they have dug?
Specifics please. Not sure discussing how Cup winners are actually built in the NHL, not in some fantasy hockey league is defending the Flyers, but OK.
Over the last couple seasons, they’ve taken steps towards building what wins in the NHL not what some Ice Capades fans think wins in the NHL.
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LVK: Nobody fits. Might want to check again. Same with the blues off top of my head
It is cute to see peeps still defend the flyers. Never gets old.
What have the flyers done to give you confidence they can get out of this decade plus hole they have dug?
Specifics please. Not sure discussing how Cup winners are actually built in the NHL, not in some fantasy hockey league is defending the Flyers, but OK.
Over the last couple seasons, they’ve taken steps towards building what wins in the NHL not what some Ice Capades fans think wins in the NHL.
They have taken no steps. Wheels keep spinning. They love fans like you. Go flyers
My bad all those big guys they just drafted will help fill the bottom 6 in 4 years
Still no potential #1 D or center on system. Can argue goalie as well
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The real issue is that they picked in the top 5 once in the last seven drafts. Picking once in the top five in 7 drafts is not going to get you the players you need to win a Stanley Cup. Even when you factor in the gift that Michkov turned out to be. Having a deep team is a good thing. I think they will get there on that front. If you are fine with that then so be it. I am a firm believer that you need top level talent at C and D to win in this league.
I am willing to bet that both the Hawks and Sharks will be cup contenders a few years ahead of the Flyers. Hawks last made the playoffs in 2019-20 same as the Flyers. Sharks last made the playoffs in 2018-19. Both teams were more aggressive than the Flyers with the rebuild they executed.
When you look at Cup winners more closely, you’ll see while Top 5 picks have had impact here and there, it’s not the only way to build a Cup winner.
CHI: Kane and Toews. Their top Dman was a late 2nd round pick.
BOS: Nobody fits your criterion. Boston has two top five picks (Kessell, Seguin) in the five drafts leading up to the 2011 cup. They also traded away the #1 overall from 1997 in Joe Thornton.
LAK: Doughty fits. Kopitar was a mid-1st rounder. Kings had a top five (Doughty, Schenn, Hickey) pick three years in a row.
PGH: Crosby and Malkin obviously. Letang was a 3rd rounder. Pens had a top five (Crosby, Malone, Malkin, Staal and Fleury) pick five years in a row including two first overalls.
WSH: Ovi and Backstrom obviously. Nobody on D. Caps had a top five (Ovi, Backstrom, Alzner) 3 out of 4 years.
STL: Pietrangelo. Nobody fits up front. Even the Blues had two top five (Pietrangelo, Johnson) in a three year span. The Blues are a true outlier in my opinion.
TBL: Stamkos is a winger. Hedman fits. Tampa drafted Stamkos #1 and Hedman #2 in back to back years. Stamkos was a center his whole career with Tampa and led them to multiple Stanley Cups
COL: MacKinnon and Makar. The best fit to your claim.
LVK: Nobody fits. Might want to review that roster again. That team has had multiple top five picks on the roster and on the team that won the cup.
FLA: Barkov and Ekblad. Another good fit but FLA has so much more than those two guys.
So two good fits to your claim accounting for 3 Cups over the last 15 seasons. Hardly persuasive.
Updated for context. The Pens are the true tanking gold standard. Every team on this list had at least two top five picks in short span. Not all were identical paths for sure. But you cannot deny that top level talent isn’t required to win.
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Great job moving goalposts!
Boston has two top five picks (Kessell, Seguin) in the five drafts leading up to the 2011 cup. They also traded away the #1 overall from 1997 in Joe Thornton.
Kessell and Thornton were both gone when they won their cup. Seguin was a depth player.
Kings had a top five (Doughty, Schenn, Hickey) pick three years in a row.
Schenn was gone when LA won their Cups. Hickey was a bust.
Pens had a top five (Crosby, Malone, Malkin, Staal and Fleury) pick five years in a row including two first overalls.
None of them are defensemen.
Caps had a top five (Ovi, Backstrom, Alzner) 3 out of 4 years.
Alzner was gone when the Caps won the Cup.
Stamkos was a center his whole career with Tampa and led them to multiple Stanley Cups
Stamkos was playing wing for Tampa when they won their cups. Do some research.
LVK: Might want to review that roster again. That team has had multiple top five picks on the roster and on the team that won the cup.
THIS JUST IN: They traded for them! This is not complicated. It’s not the argument you initially made. Again, keep moving those goal posts when the myths you believe are disproved.
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Great job moving goalposts!
Boston has two top five picks (Kessell, Seguin) in the five drafts leading up to the 2011 cup. They also traded away the #1 overall from 1997 in Joe Thornton.
Kessell and Thornton were both gone when they won their cup. Seguin was a depth player.
Kings had a top five (Doughty, Schenn, Hickey) pick three years in a row.
Schenn was gone when LA won their Cups. Hickey was a bust.
Pens had a top five (Crosby, Malone, Malkin, Staal and Fleury) pick five years in a row including two first overalls.
None of them are defensemen.
Caps had a top five (Ovi, Backstrom, Alzner) 3 out of 4 years.
Alzner was gone when the Caps won the Cup.
Stamkos was a center his whole career with Tampa and led them to multiple Stanley Cups
Stamkos was playing wing for Tampa when they won their cups. Do some research.
LVK: Might want to review that roster again. That team has had multiple top five picks on the roster and on the team that won the cup.
THIS JUST IN: They traded for them! This is not complicated. It’s not the argument you initially made. Again, keep moving those goal posts when the myths you believe are disproved.
I did not move anything. All of those teams had a #1 C and D. My point is the cost of acquiring one or both of those pieces is far less when drafting in the top five. You can get them outside of the top 5 but the percentages are against that.
Getting top level players via UFA requires those players to be available first and foremost. That is pretty rare. You also need to have cap space which the Flyers never seem to have. That situation looks better going into next year but let’s see what they do with it and if any of those types of players are available. Again low probability of that.
Getting top level players via trade requires that you have top assets to move. The Flyers really do not have any top level assets they can afford to move at this point.
The Flyers rarely pick in the top five. So the chances of landing top level players is lower. They also are not acquiring desirable assets to include in trade for top level players. They never have cap space to get top level players via UFA and when/if they do those players are rarely available. The Flyers have not utilized RFA recently either. So how are they getting top level players? Not good (TK, Sanheim) players. Top level (MacKinnon, Makar) players.
Having a bunch of middle six players is great if you have legitimate top line players. Having a bunch of middle six players and forcing five of them to play above their capabilities is not.
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I did not move anything. All of those teams had a #1 C and D. My point is the cost of acquiring one or both of those pieces is far less when drafting in the top five. You can get them outside of the top 5 but the percentages are against that.
Here’s what you initially wrote. You’re seriously backpedaling:
“The real issue is that they picked in the top 5 once in the last seven drafts. Picking once in the top five in 7 drafts is not going to get you the players you need to win a Stanley Cup. Even when you factor in the gift that Michkov turned out to be. Having a deep team is a good thing. I think they will get there on that front. If you are fine with that then so be it. I am a firm believer that you need top level talent at C and D to win in this league.”
The draft is not the only way to get a top #1 Dman or #1 center. FLA did get that through the draft but they built most of the rest of the team through trades and free agency.
Getting top level players via UFA requires those players to be available first and foremost. That is pretty rare. You also need to have cap space which the Flyers never seem to have. That situation looks better going into next year but let’s see what they do with it and if any of those types of players are available. Again low probability of that.
The Flyers had some cap space this off season and will have more next season. Top players do move through UFA.
Getting top level players via trade requires that you have top assets to move. The Flyers really do not have any top level assets they can afford to move at this point.
We agree on that. Trade talk and the Flyers is a fool’s errand. Briere did pull a rabbit out of a hat with Zegras. Trades remain tricky.
The Flyers rarely pick in the top five. So the chances of landing top level players is lower. They also are not acquiring desirable assets to include in trade for top level players. They never have cap space to get top level players via UFA and when/if they do those players are rarely available. The Flyers have not utilized RFA recently either. So how are they getting top level players? Not good (TK, Sanheim) players. Top level (MacKinnon, Makar) players. Having a bunch of middle six players is great if you have legitimate top line players. Having a bunch of middle six players and forcing five of them to play above their capabilities is not.
Konecny and Sanheim are both excellent players. You don’t get chosen to the Canadian national team by being not good. The issue the Flyers have is building around the spotty good they do have.
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Top 20 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking: Askarov, Fowler lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Zavragin ranked #17
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1. Askarov
2. Fowler
3. Augustine
4. Yegorov
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Top 20 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking: Askarov, Fowler lead Wheeler’s summer 2025 list
Zavragin ranked #17
- Top-10
1. Askarov
2. Fowler
3. Augustine
4. Yegorov
5. Ravensbergen
6. Andreyanov
7. Levi
8. Cossa
9. Hrabal
10. IvankovicI have been banging the Fowler drum for years
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Are those 2, guys you can currently build around to become cup contenders?
Neither are what anyone would call superstars but yes. You can continue to build a cup contending team around those guys. As an example, the last time the Flyers went to the finals, Richards was their 1C and his scoring numbers were never elite. A couple seasons he did hit 1 PPG. Up to that season, Kimmo had been their #1 Dman. A fine Dman but they went out and added Pronger and got to the finals that year. I’m not a big fan of “the core isn’t good enough” argument. The core is what you’ve got and the Flyers have plenty of holes and question marks before even worrying about if the 1C and 1D are good enough.
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Are those 2, guys you can currently build around to become cup contenders?
Neither are what anyone would call superstars but yes. You can continue to build a cup contending team around those guys. As an example, the last time the Flyers went to the finals, Richards was their 1C and his scoring numbers were never elite. A couple seasons he did hit 1 PPG. Up to that season, Kimmo had been their #1 Dman. A fine Dman but they went out and added Pronger and got to the finals that year. I’m not a big fan of “the core isn’t good enough” argument. The core is what you’ve got and the Flyers have plenty of holes and question marks before even worrying about if the 1C and 1D are good enough.
Then why aren’t the flyers building around those 2?
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Then why aren’t the flyers building around those 2?
Of course they are. The guys with the longer term contracts are the guys they’re looking to build around. Money, and term, talks.
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I did not move anything. All of those teams had a #1 C and D. My point is the cost of acquiring one or both of those pieces is far less when drafting in the top five. You can get them outside of the top 5 but the percentages are against that.
Here’s what you initially wrote. You’re seriously backpedaling:
“The real issue is that they picked in the top 5 once in the last seven drafts. Picking once in the top five in 7 drafts is not going to get you the players you need to win a Stanley Cup. Even when you factor in the gift that Michkov turned out to be. Having a deep team is a good thing. I think they will get there on that front. If you are fine with that then so be it. I am a firm believer that you need top level talent at C and D to win in this league.”
The draft is not the only way to get a top #1 Dman or #1 center. FLA did get that through the draft but they built most of the rest of the team through trades and free agency.
Getting top level players via UFA requires those players to be available first and foremost. That is pretty rare. You also need to have cap space which the Flyers never seem to have. That situation looks better going into next year but let’s see what they do with it and if any of those types of players are available. Again low probability of that.
The Flyers had some cap space this off season and will have more next season. Top players do move through UFA.
Getting top level players via trade requires that you have top assets to move. The Flyers really do not have any top level assets they can afford to move at this point.
We agree on that. Trade talk and the Flyers is a fool’s errand. Briere did pull a rabbit out of a hat with Zegras. Trades remain tricky.
The Flyers rarely pick in the top five. So the chances of landing top level players is lower. They also are not acquiring desirable assets to include in trade for top level players. They never have cap space to get top level players via UFA and when/if they do those players are rarely available. The Flyers have not utilized RFA recently either. So how are they getting top level players? Not good (TK, Sanheim) players. Top level (MacKinnon, Makar) players. Having a bunch of middle six players is great if you have legitimate top line players. Having a bunch of middle six players and forcing five of them to play above their capabilities is not.
Konecny and Sanheim are both excellent players. You don’t get chosen to the Canadian national team by being not good. The issue the Flyers have is building around the spotty good they do have.
I truly hope you are right. I do not believe the path the Flyers have chosen will yield real success.
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I truly hope you are right. I do not believe the path the Flyers have chosen will yield real success.
Briere is making the calls, so I hope he’s right. As an outside observer, the moves make sense to me and I think they’ll work out. We’re not even talking about injuries and other mishaps that can derail any plan. My bar is pretty low for this year. I want to be entertained. That’s it. I have little concern for the future, although again, I think the moves for the future make sense to me.
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Bill, I haven’t been paying close attention lately but I see there is a new CBA agreement. I heard in passing that there is a cap in the play-offs now?? Is there indeed one?
Any other highlights to mention? Anything new with players going to college (i.e. Cutter)?Here’s Bill’s rundown on the new CBA: https://hockeyhotstove.com/forums/topic/new-cba/
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they are doing a poor job of building around sanheim and tk.
in 4 years if/when they are a “contending” team sanheim will be 32/33 on the downside. tk 32 on the downside. in other words they have wasted their prime years in philly. like many others over the last decade plus.
nothing has changed. they refuse to pick a real lane.
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knowing nashville wanted to draft him doesn’t install a lot of confidence. seeing how poorly they ae run.
flyers love drafting the low ceiling players.
What do you think martone should do? is Europe really an option martone would consider?
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With NIL money being a thing, at first I thought the issue with Martone not being able to attend camp if he chooses college was one of those (now) archaic college financial rules. Makes more sense if it has to do with classes being in session. You don’t want players missing too many classes for non school sanctioned events.
I hope he chooses to go to Michigan State. I would rather be patient, and get him on the Flyers when there is no way he can be kept off the team.
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With NIL money being a thing, at first I thought the issue with Martone not being able to attend camp if he chooses college was one of those (now) archaic college financial rules. Makes more sense if it has to do with classes being in session. You don’t want players missing too many classes for non school sanctioned events.
I hope he chooses to go to Michigan State. I would rather be patient, and get him on the Flyers when there is no way he can be kept off the team.
if he goes to college can’t imagine any scenario where he isnt a one and done. unless he pulls a cutter…..
wonder how much he would get in NIL funds. owen Mclaughlin, flyers 7th rd pick, left North Dakota for BU. he got over 150k. whats the max for martone?
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Chinakhov requesting trade out of Columbus. Pick up the phone Danny.
Why? Seems like he’s roughly in the same range as a stack of guys we already have.
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1) Foerster won’t start the season healthy, so it provides an immediate stop-gap (and lessens the temptation to rush Martone),
2) He’s flat out more talented than Brink, bigger and faster,
3) If he can stay healthy (big if) he’s a 20-goal guy who has a decent all-around game,
4) He shouldn’t take much to acquire.
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With NIL money being a thing, at first I thought the issue with Martone not being able to attend camp if he chooses college was one of those (now) archaic college financial rules. Makes more sense if it has to do with classes being in session. You don’t want players missing too many classes for non school sanctioned events.
I hope he chooses to go to Michigan State. I would rather be patient, and get him on the Flyers when there is no way he can be kept off the team.
if he goes to college can’t imagine any scenario where he isnt a one and done. unless he pulls a cutter…..
wonder how much he would get in NIL funds. owen Mclaughlin, flyers 7th rd pick, left North Dakota for BU. he got over 150k. whats the max for martone?
Penn State is reported to have offered him 250k
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1) Foerster won’t start the season healthy, so it provides an immediate stop-gap (and lessens the temptation to rush Martone),
2) He’s flat out more talented than Brink, bigger and faster,
3) If he can stay healthy (big if) he’s a 20-goal guy who has a decent all-around game,
4) He shouldn’t take much to acquire.
Sounds like you would do Brink for Chinakhov straight up. Would you? Chin’s cap hit is $2.1M, so they’d have to juggle a bit to make him fit even if Brink is the price. The Flyers already have a few guys with recent injury issues. Not sure they want to stockpile that. They do have other young guys they can get a look at if Foerster’s health remains an issue. As an aside, an infection after an elbow injury sidelining Foerster? That’s sounding like a staph infection which is pretty damn serious. Hoping it’s not that. That would be a problem. Remember Kalinski from a few years back? I would have no issue with Briere doing due diligence here.
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1) Foerster won’t start the season healthy, so it provides an immediate stop-gap (and lessens the temptation to rush Martone),
2) He’s flat out more talented than Brink, bigger and faster,
3) If he can stay healthy (big if) he’s a 20-goal guy who has a decent all-around game,
4) He shouldn’t take much to acquire.
1. they have other players in house to look at excluding martone.
2. hasn’t proved that yet.
3. that’s the rub
4. no idea. off load tippets contract…
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4. no idea. off load tippets contract
They probably overpaid on Tippett but I don’t see any reason to dump him. He has three consecutive 20 goal seasons. Last year, his goals did drop but his assist numbers were status quo. I have more concern with his consistent minus numbers actually. He’s among the least of my question marks going into this season. I’m OK with a middle six winger who seems a lock for another 20+ goal season. Hopefully, he can find another level. He’s in that low 300 game slot where it’s getting to the point where he is what he is.
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Sounds like you would do Brink for Chinakhov straight up. Would you? Chin’s cap hit is $2.1M, so they’d have to juggle a bit to make him fit even if Brink is the price. The Flyers already have a few guys with recent injury issues. Not sure they want to stockpile that. They do have other young guys they can get a look at if Foerster’s health remains an issue. As an aside, an infection after an elbow injury sidelining Foerster? That’s sounding like a staph infection which is pretty damn serious. Hoping it’s not that. That would be a problem. Remember Kalinski from a few years back? I would have no issue with Briere doing due diligence here.
I don’t think you would even need to trade Brink to get him. He could probably be had for a mid-round pick.
The cap-space shouldn’t be a problem. I doubt they’ll keep 3 goalies and 8 dmen on the active roster. And LTIR is there if they need it.
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I am probably most definitely in the minority here. But I would play Dvorak with Zegras and Michkov, at least try it at first. It gives those 2 a defensively strong 3rd, and Dvorak can take importasnt faceoffs when needed. You can take some of the pressure off Zegras from a defensive standpoint and allow him to take faceoffs depending on the situation or importance.
I’ve always subscribed to the idea of “pairs” when it comes to NHL lines. Then you can mix and match the 3rd member depending on game situations and hot/cold streaks.
Zegras Michkov
Couturier Konecny
Cates Foerster
etc.And then add the 3rd to those pairs depending on the game situations/matchups/hot and cold.
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I am probably most definitely in the minority here. But I would play Dvorak with Zegras and Michkov, at least try it at first. It gives those 2 a defensively strong 3rd, and Dvorak can take importasnt faceoffs when needed. You can take some of the pressure off Zegras from a defensive standpoint and allow him to take faceoffs depending on the situation or importance.
I’ve been advocating that move for Cates for a while now. Dvorak is the much better faceoff guy, so I’d likely leave him in the traditional center role.
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What do you think martone should do? is Europe really an option martone would consider?
Get that NIL money, kid.
EF reporting that Martone’s going to Michigan State
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No Bonk or Nesbitt. Love to know how many past list of top 100 panned out into:
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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
Defense pairings right now are:
York – Sanheim
Seeler – Drysdale
??? – Zamula/Juulsen (until Ristolainen gets back)Possibilities are Andrae Gilbert, Bonk (unlikely out of camp).
BTW, for whatever reason, the ex-Selke thing pushes my buttons. Every Selke winner who is not the reigning winner (Barkov) is an ex-winner.
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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
Defense pairings right now are:
York – Sanheim
Seeler – Drysdale
??? – Zamula/Juulsen (until Ristolainen gets back)Possibilities are Andrae Gilbert, Bonk (unlikely out of camp).
BTW, for whatever reason, the ex-Selke thing pushes my buttons. Every Selke winner who is not the reigning winner (Barkov) is an ex-winner.
why such secrecy when it comes to RR on the flyers end?
Zamula can also play left side so won’t be shocked to see Zamula-Juulson pairing. Unless Juulson is total garbage he will get the benefit of the doubt from the coach in terms of starting in the top 6.
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why cant they focus on what zegras can bring to the table and use his strengths? instead of focusing on his defense. this is where they end up just hurting players IMO.
kaplan has less than zero chance to even see time with the flyers this year. won’t be the least bit surprised if he is in the echl at some point. really liked that pick at the time.
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– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
– Totally forgot about JD. Insert him take out whoever.The Flyers have a few forwards who aren’t exactly stellar defensively. Your lines each do have a two-way anchor out there, which is good. I like Cates a lot. He can handle the flip to wing with a couple of high scoring forwards who will bump up his scoring numbers, play 3rd man high. That will ease any pain he might suffer from being moved away from his “position.”
Brink might hang in and make the opening night lineup but he’s not long for a spot here.
ND is a decent player for his role. If Florida can dress Gadjovich for every game in the conference finals and finals, the Flyers should be able to dress ND early in the regular season without negative, disproven cliches about their strategy getting tossed about. If you want young forwards filling out the 4th line, Luchanko is really your only 4C option.
Martone, Luchanko, Berglund, Nesbitt, Barkey, Murtagh and a few others, that’s an acceptable near future, without having had the benefit of seeing them play in the NHL. I’ve had the benefit of seeing JD play in the NHL and it hasn’t been pretty. The D corps is rickety. That’s something we seem to agree on.
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– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
– Totally forgot about JD. Insert him take out whoever.The Flyers have a few forwards who aren’t exactly stellar defensively. Your lines each do have a two-way anchor out there, which is good. I like Cates a lot. He can handle the flip to wing with a couple of high scoring forwards who will bump up his scoring numbers, play 3rd man high. That will ease any pain he might suffer from being moved away from his “position.”
Brink might hang in and make the opening night lineup but he’s not long for a spot here.
ND is a decent player for his role. If Florida can dress Gadjovich for every game in the conference finals and finals, the Flyers should be able to dress ND early in the regular season without negative, disproven cliches about their strategy getting tossed about. If you want young forwards filling out the 4th line, Luchanko is really your only 4C option.
Martone, Luchanko, Berglund, Nesbitt, Barkey, Murtagh and a few others, that’s an acceptable near future, without having had the benefit of seeing them play in the NHL. I’ve had the benefit of seeing JD play in the NHL and it hasn’t been pretty. The D corps is rickety. That’s something we seem to agree on.
brink is a stone-cold lock to be in the opening night lineup outside injury/trade. not even debatable.
no ND is not a decent player for his role. he hinders his linemates. he offers no value being in the lineup. you can try that dorwart kid unless he is flat out terrible for 4th line center. rather the jett not b ein the nhl this year. said before loan him out to Kimmo or Kapanens team in Europe!!!
outside of martone not much to really get excited about to me. couple solid depth pieces you hope. my own take is knuble and vansaghi will end up being solid bottom line depth guys.
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
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D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
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D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
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Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
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Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
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Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
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Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
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The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
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The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
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as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
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as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
Yes, it is not last year. They have done very little to improve upon that to me. Took a chance on a young player who has upside. That is it.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
Here is where we disagree. There really was never any rebuild. There is no valid argument to show otherwise.
I don’t want to be entertained. I want them to build a perennial contender. Which they are not doing. Finishing 8th worst in the league but being “entertaining” doesn’t cut it.
Sad thing is I am more entertained these days watching them lose and continue to spin on the hamster wheel. This is what they have turned me into!!!
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Yes, it is not last year. They have done very little to improve upon that to me. Took a chance on a young player who has upside. That is it.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
Here is where we disagree. There really was never any rebuild. There is no valid argument to show otherwise.
I don’t want to be entertained. I want them to build a perennial contender. Which they are not doing. Finishing 8th worst in the league but being “entertaining” doesn’t cut it.
Sad thing is I am more entertained these days watching them lose and continue to spin on the hamster wheel. This is what they have turned me into!!!
Took a chance on which young player? They haven’t been in a position to put a package together for a “needle mover.” The proof that they’re doing a rebuild is the trade deadline deals they’ve made the last two seasons, dumping current talent for the future, or in the Frost/Farabee deals, opening up cap space and roster slots. Those two were literally given away. When was the last time the Flyers made a trade like that? The Flyers haven’t done any kind of rebuild since Homer in 06-07. No question, he got a lot knocked out with one deadline and one UFA season. The dominoes didn’t fall right for Briere to be able to do that. It will be a multiple season process and we’re going into Year 3. I see parallels to 06-07 though, that’s part of why I’m interested in watching how it pans out closely.
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To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
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What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
I don’t see the Flyers as taking a chance on Zegras. Maybe health wise, but he’s a legit Top 6 forward who was very good the last two months of last season. The Walker trade at the 23-24 deadline fits. They drafted Nesbitt with that plus another pick. Frost has some value, not so sure about Farabee . . . but that was a rebuilding move too. How wasn’t it?
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What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
I don’t see the Flyers as taking a chance on Zegras. Maybe health wise, but he’s a legit Top 6 forward who was very good the last two months of last season. The Walker trade at the 23-24 deadline fits. They drafted Nesbitt with that plus another pick. Frost has some value, not so sure about Farabee . . . but that was a rebuilding move too. How wasn’t it?
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
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Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Zegras played up to his earlier standards the last couple months. Frost was never a 0.7-0.75 PPG and never will be. Zegras was playing up to that standard. He’s a clear upgrade over Frost and Dvorak is an upgrade over Poehling. The Flyers upgraded half their center position in one trade deadline and off season. How is that terrible and sign of inherent Flyers incompetence?
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Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Zegras played up to his earlier standards the last couple months. Frost was never a 0.7-0.75 PPG and never will be. Zegras was playing up to that standard. He’s a clear upgrade over Frost and Dvorak is an upgrade over Poehling. The Flyers upgraded half their center position in one trade deadline and off season. How is that terrible and sign of inherent Flyers incompetence?
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
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Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
It’s a strong indicator of top form, out of camp, for Zegras who still has an upside. Health is the only concern. Your claim he isn’t an upgrade over Frost is laughable. The last two seasons, at his injury riddled worst, Zegras put up 88 games 47 points .534 ppg. Frost put up
152 games 78 points .513 ppg. They’re only committed to Dvorak’s overpayment for one year. He won a lottery ticket as a UFA and the Flyers may as well as have spent to the cap this year. I still regret they weren’t able to get a better, and yes, more expensive Dman than Noah Juulsen and maybe spent less on the slot they filled with Dvorak. He’ still an upgrade over Peohling. -
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
It’s a strong indicator of top form, out of camp, for Zegras who still has an upside. Health is the only concern. Your claim he isn’t an upgrade over Frost is laughable. The last two seasons, at his injury riddled worst, Zegras put up 88 games 47 points .534 ppg. Frost put up
152 games 78 points .513 ppg. They’re only committed to Dvorak’s overpayment for one year. He won a lottery ticket as a UFA and the Flyers may as well as have spent to the cap this year. I still regret they weren’t able to get a better, and yes, more expensive Dman than Noah Juulsen and maybe spent less on the slot they filled with Dvorak. He’ still an upgrade over Peohling.Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
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Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
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Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
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Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
While I see and understand your line of thinking regarding Trevor Zegras, when was the last time a reclamation project put it all together in Philly? If he plays most of the season, I’m guessing he’ll match Frost’s production numbers. Bigger question… how big of a liability will he be in his own end? We all know the Flyers philosophy is a 200 foot game, and if he can’t provide that, how long will the leash be?
And since you brought up the $7M in dead cap space coming back, what will that get the Flyers? Keeping in mind you’ll need to overpay to get a good player to come to a non-playoff team, and that a shade over $7M was only able to get Kevin Hayes a few years back, how much can the Flyers realistically improve via the FA market? The old Ed Snider way of spending your way to contention is no longer a feasible plan, and that many in the organization still think that way is a big reason why many of us are apathetic towards this team.
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Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
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Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
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Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.
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Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.
How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.
Having 5 million extra in cap space is > having Dvorak IMO. Can do many things with that money in season. I do not think the flyers are awful, they are awful. Makes perfect sense if you think forward.
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How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.
Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.
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Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.
6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
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6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.
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6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.
perennial 40 goal scorer
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6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.
If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.
I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.
Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.
So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.
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I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.
Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.
So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.
Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.
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I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.
Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.
So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.
Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.
do you consider tippet a core player?
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Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.
Holmgren was the GM for the first few years of the salary cap era. He absolutely did not understand the salary cap and only retired after he traded away every asset and hamstrung the Flyers financially for the next 5 years but yea, they did win a few rounds pretending the salary cap didn’t exist. He was the college kid throwing a party at his parents house but all everyone remembers is the party and not the mess left behind.
https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts
Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!
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do you consider tippet a core player?
I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.
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https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts
Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!
“The Flyers made the winning bid with $52M ($71.4M adjusted for cap inflation, and their costly new asset depreciated right out of the gate, with Danny dropping down to 72 PTS in 79 GP in year one; not exactly terrible, but a disturbing cost to benefit ratio nevertheless.”
The guy who wrote this is an idiot. In the 08 playoffs alone, DB had 16 pts in 17 games and in all Flyers playoff games, he had 72 pts in 68 games.
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do you consider tippet a core player?
I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.
didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?
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didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?
It’s a pointless question built around vague terms and subjective opinion.
do you see him as a core player? odd not to answer.
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not a bad listen.
– lots of tocchet felating. wash rinse repeat as many of the same thigns were said about torts and AV
– what would be considered a success for failure for tocchet this season.
– talking about vladar upside lol. how he could have gone back to calgary. always leave out the 6 million part calgary didn’t offer. really laying it on thick.
– charlie spot on saying Erson cant handle a heavy workload.
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The coach-player relationship between Tippett and the fickle, irascible Tortorella took a downturn over the course of Tortorella’s final calendar year behind the Philadelphia bench. This was true of many Flyers players, not just Tippett. Few players were sorry to see “Torts” go.
Many media members defended Torts player interactions/relationships. York says hi. Over the years there were many discussions on whether players would or did avoid Philly because of Torts and we were assured that it was all overblown, the Players loved Torts. Torts was great! Since Torts declared he didn’t want to be responsible anymore for a poopy roster which he was main force in shaping, the media is like a jilted girl’s best friend telling her all the things she kept quiet about her ex so as not to offend her friend.
Torts was a disaster as a coach/triumvirate GM but he had Comcast shielding him before.
Entering the 2024-25 season, there were high hopes that Tippett could attain his first 30-plus goal season in the National Hockey League. He had job security, starting a new eight-year contract ($6.2 million average annual value). He turned 26 on February 16, and seemed primed for a career-best season.
Tortorella was sometimes to blame for this himself by sending mixed messages: “safe is death” and “I want my offensive players to be aggressive up the ice” until they made an ill-timed turnover or a bad puck support read that ended up in the Philadelphia net.
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Mike Keenan needed the late EJ McGuire to “clean the blood off the walls” (McGuire’s own description), and Tortorella had Shaw do it. Tocchet will say what he feels he needs to be said to a player. However, he won’t do it in front of teammates and he won’t tell the media that today’s players are “young and dumb”.Tip is a one trick pony who needs the perfect situation to do well. He is a limited hockey player and may have already reached his ceiling, if so that contract was premature. Maybe DB should stop handing out 8 year contracts to limited players on a team that is years from contention. Not saying they shouldn’t have resigned Tip but much like Fletch, gave the player Term, Money, and clause.
Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years? It must feel like you are finally free.
In your opinion are the Flyers hard to play against? Torts thought he built a hard to play against team. What is your definition for that cliche?
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Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years?
Somebody get this guy a calendar. Torts was fired six months ago and the Flyers have upgraded their coaching since.
tocchet has such a stellar career coaching record. pure winner
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tocchet has such a stellar career coaching record. pure winner
He’s got two Cup rings as an assistant coach and won the Adams in 2024 as a head coach. Try again or would you rather have Torts back?
wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.
what is his career coaching record as a head coach?
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wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.
what is his career coaching record as a head coach?
So of you’d prefer Torts, why not just say it?
How is Tocchet’s HC record terrible? He’s gotten better results as his opportunities got better.
2 yrs TBL NHL 148 53 69 26 132 .446
4 yrs ARI NHL 290 125 131 34 284 .490 9 4 5 .444
3 yrs VAN NHL 200 108 65 27 243 .608 13 7 6 .538
Career 638 286 265 87 659 .516 22 11 11 .500 -
wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.
what is his career coaching record as a head coach?
So of you’d prefer Torts, why not just say it?
How is Tocchet’s HC record terrible? He’s gotten better results as his opportunities got better.
2 yrs TBL NHL 148 53 69 26 132 .446
4 yrs ARI NHL 290 125 131 34 284 .490 9 4 5 .444
3 yrs VAN NHL 200 108 65 27 243 .608 13 7 6 .538
Career 638 286 265 87 659 .516 22 11 11 .500I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.
He has a losing coaching record does he not?
Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations
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I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.
He has a losing coaching record does he not?
Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations
He had a .608 win percentage in Vancouver. He actually got Phoenix to the playoffs. I know that doesn’t satisfy your lofty standards.
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I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.
He has a losing coaching record does he not?
Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations
He had a .608 win percentage in Vancouver. He actually got Phoenix to the playoffs. I know that doesn’t satisfy your lofty standards.
His career is underwhelming. Below .500z Accept it slap nuts.
How did last season go in Vancouver?
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His career is underwhelming. Below .500z Accept it slap nuts.
How did last season go in Vancouver?
You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own math. He’s .516 with two less than optimum opportunities out of three. How did last season go in Philadelphia with Torts? Which genius coach should the Flyers have replaced Torts with?
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His career is underwhelming. Below .500z Accept it slap nuts.
How did last season go in Vancouver?
You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own math. He’s .516 with two less than optimum opportunities out of three. How did last season go in Philadelphia with Torts? Which genius coach should the Flyers have replaced Torts with?
Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ? Remove the shootout wins.
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
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Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ?
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
Tocchet liked the opportunity better than his other offers. They wanted him back in VAN. But, of course, you know more about hockey than Tocchet, so I’ll defer to you. Hahahaha! Bottom line: You can’t even read a winning percentage stat. I’ve gone back and forth with you a couple months now and see no evidence you have any idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hockey. You just regurgitate every misguided hockey cliche you’ve heard over the last several years. Monkey hear, monkey repeat.
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Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ?
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
Tocchet liked the opportunity better than his other offers. They wanted him back in VAN. But, of course, you know more about hockey than Tocchet, so I’ll defer to you. Hahahaha! Bottom line: You can’t even read a winning percentage stat. I’ve gone back and forth with you a couple months now and see no evidence you have any idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hockey. You just regurgitate every misguided hockey cliche you’ve heard over the last several years. Monkey hear, monkey repeat.
He liked the 25 plus million that no other team even came close to offering you fn dope. Then a job for life.
What’s that old saying. I have forgotten more about hockey this you will ever know. Funny how you rarely answer any questions thrown your way.
Enjoy sucking the flyers cock. Your like that chic who will continue to do it no matter what when called upon
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Why he did have 2 less than optimum opportunities? Why hasn’t a good organization ever hired him ?
Do you think the flyers are an optimum opportunity? So make that 3 of 4 slappy.
Already told u what I would have done. Would also have taken a chance on an outside the box hire; not another proven loser retread. It’s awesome seeing the flyers trip over themselves. Another big culture win year coming up
You swallow everting the flyers put out. Wipe your chin.
Tocchet liked the opportunity better than his other offers. They wanted him back in VAN. But, of course, you know more about hockey than Tocchet, so I’ll defer to you. Hahahaha! Bottom line: You can’t even read a winning percentage stat. I’ve gone back and forth with you a couple months now and see no evidence you have any idea what you’re talking about when it comes to hockey. You just regurgitate every misguided hockey cliche you’ve heard over the last several years. Monkey hear, monkey repeat.
no you cant as you don’t even know what stat your posting fucking dope.
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He liked the 25 plus million that no other team even came close to offering you fn dope. Then a job for life.
What’s that old saying. I have forgotten more about hockey this you will ever know. Funny how you rarely answer any questions thrown your way.
Enjoy sucking the flyers cock. Your like that chic who will continue to do it no matter what when called upon
Hahaha! It’s not even three in the afternoon and you’re drunk already. Get back to me when you have legitimate questions and you’ve sobered up you rude punk. No, “Do you think X is a needle mover?” is not a legitimate question. It’s a question a superficial idiot asks.
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Then, we have the actual facts of the matter. If you care more about results than intent, let’s just say Tocchet’s résumé isn’t as colorful.
Despite being an NHL head coach for nine seasons, Tocchet has only appeared in the playoffs twice, with just one series victory to his name (excluding the 2020 Qualifying Round). He might’ve won the Jack Adams Award in 2023–24, but he’s suffered the same fate behind the bench that the Flyers have as a team over the past decade-plus— being stuck in the murky middle.
Furthermore, most of the league’s bench bosses have had a tremendous single-season success as a head coach at some level. Whether it be in juniors, college, or a professional league, most of these guys have led a team the distance, or close to it. However, that’s not the case for Tocchet—it makes him an outlier. He won back-to-back Stanley Cups as a n assistant with the Pittsburgh Penguins, but that’s just not the same.
Tocchet’s teams haven’t been statistically dominant under the hood, either. He’s taken on tough jobs with the aforementioned Canucks, Arizona Coyotes, and Tampa Bay Lightning, but the Flyers won’t be much easier, will they?
At this stage, fans are left hoping Tocchet is the guy. There’s no hard evidence to say he is.
Remember how hard the Flyers/Comcast media pushed Torts “fictional” accountability and being “hard to play against” (old time Flyers hockey!). Get ready for the same, the savior has arrived, media push. Pushing Tocchet’s openness and accessibility just as hard as they promoted Torts combativeness and disregard for modern hockey with the same level of realistic analysis, none. Remember how much we were told the players loved Torts and to not look behind the curtain. Tocchet’s going to be promoted as the Dali Lama.
They have a product to sell, it’s entertainment to make money, hockey is what happens during the commercials.
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“Remember how hard the Flyers/Comcast media pushed Torts “fictional” accountability and being “hard to play against” (old time Flyers hockey!). Get ready for the same, the savior has arrived, media push. Pushing Tocchet’s openness and accessibility just as hard as they promoted Torts combativeness and disregard for modern hockey with the same level of realistic analysis, none. Remember how much we were told the players loved Torts and to not look behind the curtain. Tocchet’s going to be promoted as the Dali Lama. They have a product to sell, it’s entertainment to make money, hockey is what happens during the commercials.”
I stopped following the Flyers Torts’ first two seasons. The franchise was clearly in the toilet. He kept the doors open, I suppose. That’s the best I can say about him. Watched last year and the team was still bad in most respects but there were players who showed something and I like the off season changes. Maybe if you had taken time away from the Flyers at their truly incompetent bottom, you wouldn’t be so bitter, angry and irrational. Pro tip: Zegras is going to deliver the goods and his presence in the Top 6 is going to help every line.
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“Remember how hard the Flyers/Comcast media pushed Torts “fictional” accountability and being “hard to play against” (old time Flyers hockey!). Get ready for the same, the savior has arrived, media push. Pushing Tocchet’s openness and accessibility just as hard as they promoted Torts combativeness and disregard for modern hockey with the same level of realistic analysis, none. Remember how much we were told the players loved Torts and to not look behind the curtain. Tocchet’s going to be promoted as the Dali Lama. They have a product to sell, it’s entertainment to make money, hockey is what happens during the commercials.”
I stopped following the Flyers Torts’ first two seasons. The franchise was clearly in the toilet. He kept the doors open, I suppose. That’s the best I can say about him. Watched last year and the team was still bad in most respects but there were players who showed something and I like the off season changes. Maybe if you had taken time away from the Flyers at their truly incompetent bottom, you wouldn’t be so bitter, angry and irrational. Pro tip: Zegras is going to deliver the goods and his presence in the Top 6 is going to help every line.
Pretty sure that was last year.
Coming off of 3 straight last place finishes in the PP (in the NHL record books).
Started the season shorthanded on defense due to dB/Torts refusal to call anyone up.
Everything related to Jett making/playing with the big club including the embarrassing 4 games he played out of 10 before getting sent down.
Record number of line shuffling at the beginning of the season that became an internet meme.
Torts crossing the line with York
DB supporting Torts by suspending York for Torts being out of line
The team quitting on Torts for the 2nd season in a row
Torts publicly trashing the team
DB publicly stating he wanted Torts back anyway (despite the team quitting on torts and torts quitting on the team).
Flyers ranking close to the bottom in just about every major metric.
DB’s big “get” Fedotov who he gave a 2 year way above market contract to, proving he belongs in the AHL, not the NHL.
No accountability for anyone in the FO or coaching staff until Torts forced the issue
Rocky Thompson
Player regression
Despite multiple 1st rnd draft picks and the horrible horrible season, not coming away from the draft with the top 3 pick.
National media stating the Tocchet hire is more wishful thinking than proven track record.That was last year and that’s just off the top of my head but they showed you something? I have a solid foundation and facts behind my opinions, yours tend to mostly be wishful thinking. You discount anything that disagrees with your preferred opinion.
How was that not rock bottom? Even DB who was the proud papa said it was rock bottom. -
“Remember how hard the Flyers/Comcast media pushed Torts “fictional” accountability and being “hard to play against” (old time Flyers hockey!). Get ready for the same, the savior has arrived, media push. Pushing Tocchet’s openness and accessibility just as hard as they promoted Torts combativeness and disregard for modern hockey with the same level of realistic analysis, none. Remember how much we were told the players loved Torts and to not look behind the curtain. Tocchet’s going to be promoted as the Dali Lama. They have a product to sell, it’s entertainment to make money, hockey is what happens during the commercials.”
I stopped following the Flyers Torts’ first two seasons. The franchise was clearly in the toilet. He kept the doors open, I suppose. That’s the best I can say about him. Watched last year and the team was still bad in most respects but there were players who showed something and I like the off season changes. Maybe if you had taken time away from the Flyers at their truly incompetent bottom, you wouldn’t be so bitter, angry and irrational. Pro tip: Zegras is going to deliver the goods and his presence in the Top 6 is going to help every line.
love JD
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That was last year and that’s just off the top of my head but they showed you something?
Most of the forwards looked good to me and Sanheim, Risto and Seeler filled their roles well. Which forwards and Dmen looked especially bad to you?
I listed 16 horrible facts from last season. None of which is in dispute including the general consensus that Tocchet’s hiring is more wishful thinking by the Flyers and that’s all you got out of it?
This is an unserious franchise that hired unserious people to run it. The incompetence is being rebranded as an intentional plan. Get those butts in the seats.
The Flyers defensively, as a team, were ranked 29th overall. Scoring 24th overall. Puck possession in the toilet. The team quit on the coach. The coach quit on the team. The worst PP coach in the entire league was untouchable for years. The only way things would’ve been worse is if the Flyers didn’t walk away from it with a cornerstone #1C or #D for the future. Oh wait, they didn’t.
The Flyers had very little money in the offseason and DB still spent it. Can’t wait until the checkbook is more open next year.
Am i wrong on any of this?
Did 1 or 2 players not look quite as bad as some of the others, who gives a crap? Historically speaking, can you name a worse GM and/or coaching year?
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I listed 16 horrible facts from last season. None of which is in dispute including the general consensus that Tocchet’s hiring is more wishful thinking by the Flyers and that’s all you got out of it?
Five of your horrible facts mention Torts specifically and a lot of the rest were a direct result of HIS tenure. THIS JUST IN: Torts is gone. How can anyone in their right mind claim Tocchet isn’t an upgrade over Torts? And I don’t care that Torts won a cup in 2004. A general consensus over what they think will happen and not what actually will happen? That’s all you got. Last season was last season. Even I’m saying Drysdale needs to clean it up on D or hope he can hold onto a 3rd pairing role and Brink will be pushed out by somebody bigger sooner rather than later. Do you disagree with that in terms of this coming season? Who else is the problem?
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I listed 16 horrible facts from last season. None of which is in dispute including the general consensus that Tocchet’s hiring is more wishful thinking by the Flyers and that’s all you got out of it?
Five of your horrible facts mention Torts specifically and a lot of the rest were a direct result of HIS tenure. THIS JUST IN: Torts is gone. How can anyone in their right mind claim Tocchet isn’t an upgrade over Torts? And I don’t care that Torts won a cup in 2004. A general consensus over what they think will happen and not what actually will happen? That’s all you got. Last season was last season. Even I’m saying Drysdale needs to clean it up on D or hope he can hold onto a 3rd pairing role and Brink will be pushed out by somebody bigger sooner rather than later. Do you disagree with that in terms of this coming season? Who else is the problem?
Upgrade in coaching. Upgrade in goal. Upgrades at center. No doubt 100% they can go form 4th worse to 7th worse. That is progress.
Go flyers. Go new era of orange part duex.
brink or any player needs to be pushed out by someone more talented. not someone just bigger.
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I listed 16 horrible facts from last season. None of which is in dispute including the general consensus that Tocchet’s hiring is more wishful thinking by the Flyers and that’s all you got out of it?
Five of your horrible facts mention Torts specifically and a lot of the rest were a direct result of HIS tenure. THIS JUST IN: Torts is gone. How can anyone in their right mind claim Tocchet isn’t an upgrade over Torts? And I don’t care that Torts won a cup in 2004. A general consensus over what they think will happen and not what actually will happen? That’s all you got. Last season was last season. Even I’m saying Drysdale needs to clean it up on D or hope he can hold onto a 3rd pairing role and Brink will be pushed out by somebody bigger sooner rather than later. Do you disagree with that in terms of this coming season? Who else is the problem?
Does it bother you at all that despite all the “Torts facts”, DB said that he still preferred to bring Torts back if there had been any way possible and remains a strong Torts supporter through everything? This is not a franchise that’s learned one thing from it’s past mistakes.
I think Tocchet is an upgrade over Torts, I think roadkill is an upgrade over Torts so low bar. I doubt anyone would disagree with that but does he move the needle? I’m having trouble finding anyone who believes Tocchet moves the needle based on his track record.
Informed opinions are all any of us have, using all available information. Do I necessarily disagree with your evaluations of the individual players above? No, they seem reasonable but it’s also not seeing the forest for the trees. The Flyers can add more depth players until the cows come home and continue to turn over the bottom of the roster, it won’t change a thing with this franchise. The Flyers love “born to be a flyer” and quantity over quality. It’s easy mode for them.
Still no cornerstone players. A true franchise center affects the entire team, allowing every other center to slot further down the lineup, putting them in better situations, improving every line despite only being one player.. The same with the #1 defenseman. That’s why they are so valuable. That’s why the Flyers are overwhelmed, they have players that are being asked to be to much.
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DB said that he still preferred to bring Torts back if there had been any way possible and remains a strong Torts supporter through everything? This is not a franchise that’s learned one thing from it’s past mistakes. I think Tocchet is an upgrade over Torts, I think roadkill is an upgrade over Torts so low bar. I doubt anyone would disagree with that but does he move the needle? I’m having trouble finding anyone who believes Tocchet moves the needle based on his track record.
So DB said some nice things about Torts on the way out? So what? Torts is not the coach any more. Again with the needle moving. More specifics please. This team is good for an extra 15 points this year. Roadkill Rick Tocchet will see to that. How is that a problem? How many points does a team need to improve to move their needle? What’s more important: Needle moving or difference making?
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So DB said some nice things about Torts on the way out? So what? Torts is not the coach any more. Again with the needle moving. More specifics please. This team is good for an extra 15 points this year. Roadkill Rick Tocchet will see to that. How is that a problem? How many points does a team need to improve to move their needle? What’s more important: Needle moving or difference making?
Never said Tocchet was roadkill, I compared roadkill as an improvement to what Torts was doing. 15 points takes the Flyers from last in the division to making the playoffs (using last year’s numbers). Are you predicting the Flyers make the playoffs? That would also be more points than Vancouver had last year, do you view the Flyers as having a better roster than Vancouver?
I posted an article earlier which talked about Tocchet’s coaching history and reasons for concern which came to the conclusion that Tocchet being the catalyst you want him to be is more wishful thinking than proven track record. You never really addressed the points made in that article. Until you do, it sounds more like you want to believe rather than having an actual reason to believe.
Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and again he can’t do any worse than the last guy. He’s supposed to be a great communicator with the players which is a world of difference from the coach who would bench the captain of the team without telling him why.
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Never said Tocchet was roadkill, I compared roadkill as an improvement to what Torts was doing. 15 points takes the Flyers from last in the division to making the playoffs (using last year’s numbers). Are you predicting the Flyers make the playoffs? That would also be more points than Vancouver had last year, do you view the Flyers as having a better roster than Vancouver?
I posted an article earlier which talked about Tocchet’s coaching history and reasons for concern which came to the conclusion that Tocchet being the catalyst you want him to be is more wishful thinking than proven track record. You never really addressed the points made in that article. Until you do, it sounds more like you want to believe rather than having an actual reason to believe.
Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and again he can’t do any worse than the last guy. He’s supposed to be a great communicator with the players which is a world of difference from the coach who would bench the captain of the team without telling him why.
I’m predicting the Flyers will be noticeably better this year. Individually and as a team. There were teams out west that were more than a level below the Flyers last year. Starting to hear a bit how truly awful things were in ANA, even though they had 4 more points, for example. That makes things a little difficult to compare points over conferences. Everybody out west feasted on NSH, SJ and CHI. 91 points wouldn’t have gotten you into the playoffs out west and it was a fluke it did in the east. Vancouver has way better goaltending! Lankinen or Demko, if healthy, are both better than anything the Flyers have. Ideally, Vladar is our Lankinen.
“Everyone” is not pessimistic about the job Tocchet will do. Zegras wins them a couple or more games. Vladar over the two Russian catastrophes wins them a couple or more games. Tocchet’s coaching wins them a couple or more games. Five points for each upgrade gets them a 15 point increase.
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Never said Tocchet was roadkill, I compared roadkill as an improvement to what Torts was doing. 15 points takes the Flyers from last in the division to making the playoffs (using last year’s numbers). Are you predicting the Flyers make the playoffs? That would also be more points than Vancouver had last year, do you view the Flyers as having a better roster than Vancouver?
I posted an article earlier which talked about Tocchet’s coaching history and reasons for concern which came to the conclusion that Tocchet being the catalyst you want him to be is more wishful thinking than proven track record. You never really addressed the points made in that article. Until you do, it sounds more like you want to believe rather than having an actual reason to believe.
Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and again he can’t do any worse than the last guy. He’s supposed to be a great communicator with the players which is a world of difference from the coach who would bench the captain of the team without telling him why.
I love that the Flyers are at the point where every roster, coaching, and front office move suddenly fits this description.
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I love that the Flyers are at the point where every roster, coaching, and front office move suddenly fits this description.
The living embodiment of the “hold my beer” meme?
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I’m predicting the Flyers will be noticeably better this year. Individually and as a team. There were teams out west that were more than a level below the Flyers last year. Starting to hear a bit how truly awful things were in ANA, even though they had 4 more points, for example. That makes things a little difficult to compare points over conferences. Everybody out west feasted on NSH, SJ and CHI. 91 points wouldn’t have gotten you into the playoffs out west and it was a fluke it did in the east. Vancouver has way better goaltending! Lankinen or Demko, if healthy, are both better than anything the Flyers have. Ideally, Vladar is our Lankinen.
“Everyone” is not pessimistic about the job Tocchet will do. Zegras wins them a couple or more games. Vladar over the two Russian catastrophes wins them a couple or more games. Tocchet’s coaching wins them a couple or more games. Five points for each upgrade gets them a 15 point increase.
Who isn’t pessimistic that Tocchet can lead them to the promised land that isn’t part of the Comcast family? Regardless, at least you are giving a reason behind your optimism. Personally i think more than Torts but not the bump you envision which will, once again, leave them in no mans land without a path forward to get those cornerstones they need. We shall see how the games play out.
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Never said Tocchet was roadkill, I compared roadkill as an improvement to what Torts was doing. 15 points takes the Flyers from last in the division to making the playoffs (using last year’s numbers). Are you predicting the Flyers make the playoffs? That would also be more points than Vancouver had last year, do you view the Flyers as having a better roster than Vancouver?
I posted an article earlier which talked about Tocchet’s coaching history and reasons for concern which came to the conclusion that Tocchet being the catalyst you want him to be is more wishful thinking than proven track record. You never really addressed the points made in that article. Until you do, it sounds more like you want to believe rather than having an actual reason to believe.
Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and again he can’t do any worse than the last guy. He’s supposed to be a great communicator with the players which is a world of difference from the coach who would bench the captain of the team without telling him why.
I’m predicting the Flyers will be noticeably better this year. Individually and as a team. There were teams out west that were more than a level below the Flyers last year. Starting to hear a bit how truly awful things were in ANA, even though they had 4 more points, for example. That makes things a little difficult to compare points over conferences. Everybody out west feasted on NSH, SJ and CHI. 91 points wouldn’t have gotten you into the playoffs out west and it was a fluke it did in the east. Vancouver has way better goaltending! Lankinen or Demko, if healthy, are both better than anything the Flyers have. Ideally, Vladar is our Lankinen.
“Everyone” is not pessimistic about the job Tocchet will do. Zegras wins them a couple or more games. Vladar over the two Russian catastrophes wins them a couple or more games. Tocchet’s coaching wins them a couple or more games. Five points for each upgrade gets them a 15 point increase.
Does having Juulson (less irreplaceable RR) in your top 6 to start the year lose you any games?
Does having a new coach/staff in the beginning of the season and learning his “system” lose you any games?
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Does having Juulson (less irreplaceable RR) in your top 6 to start the year lose you any games?
Does having a new coach/staff in the beginning of the season and learning his “system” lose you any games?
Top 6? VAN fans gave him pretty good reviews as a depth straight up defensive Dman. Pressing him higher than that could expose him. That was the word. The D is the area where they need to add, no doubt about that. The D zone system is essentially a penalty kill with a 3rd forward playing inside the box to take away passing lanes and jump in to provide puck support and an outlet if the Flyers pull the puck along the boards or perimeter. FLA executes this system with tremendous precision. Their puck support is elite. This shouldn’t be difficult to pick up for a competent NHL player. Of course, I’m not suggesting they’ll play it better than FLA, I’m saying it will be an upgrade worth two or more games over what Tortorella was running out there . . . with intermittent at best puck support.
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Does having Juulson (less irreplaceable RR) in your top 6 to start the year lose you any games?
Does having a new coach/staff in the beginning of the season and learning his “system” lose you any games?
Top 6? VAN fans gave him pretty good reviews as a depth straight up defensive Dman. Pressing him higher than that could expose him. That was the word. The D is the area where they need to add, no doubt about that. The D zone system is essentially a penalty kill with a 3rd forward playing inside the box to take away passing lanes and jump in to provide puck support and an outlet if the Flyers pull the puck along the boards or perimeter. FLA executes this system with tremendous precision. Their puck support is elite. This shouldn’t be difficult to pick up for a competent NHL player. Of course, I’m not suggesting they’ll play it better than FLA, I’m saying it will be an upgrade worth two or more games over what Tortorella was running out there . . . with intermittent at best puck support.
your answer is no; those 2 scenarios won’t lose them any games. got it.
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https://phillysportsnetwork.com/2025/08/25/flyers-2025-tocchet/
– There’s no denying the impact Rick Tocchet will have on the 2025–26 Flyers. His arrival marks a new era for a franchise that has spent the last few seasons searching for stability, identity, and a consistent path forward.
– But make no mistake: this wasn’t a “feel-good” hire. It was a calculated decision to bring in someone who can reconnect the Flyers with their identity while pushing the team back toward playoff contention.
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– There’s no denying the impact Rick Tocchet will have on the 2025–26 Flyers. His arrival marks a new era for a franchise that has spent the last few seasons searching for stability, identity, and a consistent path forward.
– But make no mistake: this wasn’t a “feel-good” hire. It was a calculated decision to bring in someone who can reconnect the Flyers with their identity while pushing the team back toward playoff contention.
Hahahahaha. The NEW new era of orange. Wasn’t Torts the guy bringing stability, reconnecting the Flyers with their identity, and leading them into the future?
::facepalm::
I would like to see Tocchet succeed but PR diarrhea like this just poisons the well. He was the feel good ex-Flyer hire that they can market the shit out of for aging fanbase who long for the good old days.
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– There’s no denying the impact Rick Tocchet will have on the 2025–26 Flyers. His arrival marks a new era for a franchise that has spent the last few seasons searching for stability, identity, and a consistent path forward.
– But make no mistake: this wasn’t a “feel-good” hire. It was a calculated decision to bring in someone who can reconnect the Flyers with their identity while pushing the team back toward playoff contention.
Hahahahaha. The NEW new era of orange. Wasn’t Torts the guy bringing stability, reconnecting the Flyers with their identity, and leading them into the future?
::facepalm::
I would like to see Tocchet succeed but PR diarrhea like this just poisons the well. He was the feel good ex-Flyer hire that they can market the shit out of for aging fanbase who long for the good old days.
culture, identity, and all the stuff that wins cups.
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culture, identity, and all the stuff that wins cups.
Of course it does.
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Every team has their own version of culture, it’s just nobody cares because they aren’t the reigning Stanley Cup winner.
Like the Avalanche who won a few years ago have their culture if you google it : hard work and winning mentality. lol. Who knew? who cares? Turns out the Panthers aren’t unique in having culture or in how they define it. You win you get the puff pieces.
Same google search changing one word.
Skill, coaching, execution. Without the skill and the coaching they are the Buffalo Sabres no matter how much everyone loves each other. Without Barkov, Ekblad, Tkachuk, Bob, and even Maurice are they successful no matter how often they have group hugs and hit people? No.
Winning the Stanley cup takes a lot of different things coming together at the right time, Skill (the cornerstones and supporting players), coaching, execution, and sacrificing for the team.
Let’s get our MacKinnon/Makar, Barkov/Ekblad, etc before putting the culture cart before the horse because without that, the rest is just something that comes out of the other end of the horse.
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simply amazing the flyers haven’t won a cup in 50 years. chalk it up to bad luck I suppose
If by bad luck you mean going from a culture of players that hate losing to players who pee together, then yes.
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Let’s get our MacKinnon/Makar, Barkov/Ekblad, etc before putting the culture cart before the horse because without that, the rest is just something that comes out of the other end of the horse.
It’s also true some top rated players in the league haven’t won Cups either. The Flyers clearly need another Top 4 Dman. No question about that. Willing to find out what Zegras can do as the offensive 1C which he clearly will be. It’s a team game. The Flyers will be noticeably better this year.
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It’s also true some top rated players in the league haven’t won Cups either. The Flyers clearly need another Top 4 Dman. No question about that. Willing to find out what Zegras can do as the offensive 1C which he clearly will be. It’s a team game. The Flyers will be noticeably better this year.
True. It takes more than just talent but it can’t be done without it. The Flyers tend to forget that.
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Let’s get our MacKinnon/Makar, Barkov/Ekblad, etc before putting the culture cart before the horse because without that, the rest is just something that comes out of the other end of the horse.
It’s also true some top rated players in the league haven’t won Cups either. The Flyers clearly need another Top 4 Dman. No question about that. Willing to find out what Zegras can do as the offensive 1C which he clearly will be. It’s a team game. The Flyers will be noticeably better this year.
you are the target market for the flyers. they love you.
another top 4 dman and they are on their way. once bonk makes his presence known look out.
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you are the target market for the flyers. they love you.
another top 4 dman and they are on their way. once bonk makes his presence known look out.
I’m their target market? Hahahaha! I gave up on them for two seasons. Did not watch. Barely followed. No regrets. I like what I see now. I’ll be watching. Get back to me if I’m proven wrong . . . which I won’t be.
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you are the target market for the flyers. they love you.
another top 4 dman and they are on their way. once bonk makes his presence known look out.
morning, noon or night
Weekday, weekend… doesn’t matter.
Dog days of summer or the dead of winter
One thing I can always count on is that you’ll be here, pounding that keyboard (likely the only thing you’re pounding other than sleeves of Oreos)It’s comforting, really. This is your life, cliff. you da man!
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you are the target market for the flyers. they love you.
another top 4 dman and they are on their way. once bonk makes his presence known look out.
morning, noon or night
Weekday, weekend… doesn’t matter.
Dog days of summer or the dead of winter
One thing I can always count on is that you’ll be here, pounding that keyboard (likely the only thing you’re pounding other than sleeves of Oreos)It’s comforting, really. This is your life, cliff. you da man!
Another big yawn ..thought you were never posting here again. What happened?
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simply amazing the flyers haven’t won a cup in 50 years. chalk it up to bad luck I suppose
If only they had more Dale Weise types to tell them how to win? The fact that anyone gave this dude a platform is hysterical. Can tell it is the “slow” season for hockey talk.
I love the guys that complain about leadership. They do know they are able to take those reigns right? Anybody can be a leader. Even without a letter on the sweater.
Losing leads to finger pointing. Winning leads to accolades. Bottom line is the Flyers were not good enough to win anything for close to 15 years now.
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Looks like Pronman at the Athletic has the Flyers prospect pipeline ranked in the top 8. We will know the exact rank tomorrow I guess.
any idea if that includes MM as part of the prospect pool
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Looks like Pronman at the Athletic has the Flyers prospect pipeline ranked in the top 8. We will know the exact rank tomorrow I guess.
any idea if that includes MM as part of the prospect pool
It shouldn’t since he already has a full NHL season under his belt.
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Skill, coaching, execution. Without the skill and the coaching they are the Buffalo Sab
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It shouldn’t since he already has a full NHL season under his belt.[/quote]one would think I agree. flyers have 1 elite blue chip prospect. if MM is excluded I disgree with that ranking.
Is there any path for Hart to return based on what you may know or have heard?
In your opinion is there a path to return.
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Don’t forget that FLA team is better as a team than the sum of its’ parts.
Have you seen their parts? How many teams have better parts than the Panthers?
Nobody is disputing you need team buy-in, but that goes for every team. It’s not unique to the Panthers as i mentioned in an earlier post.
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Have you seen their parts? How many teams have better parts than the Panthers?
Not many but no one has as good a team as FLA. The D, after Ekblad, was put together through trades and free agency. Forsling was claimed on waivers. Their 7th leading scoring forward was Evan Rodriguez at less than .4 PPG. I watched their parts carefully in the playoffs. The parts are enviable. The team is better.
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Have you seen their parts? How many teams have better parts than the Panthers?
Not many but no one has as good a team as FLA. The D, after Ekblad, was put together through trades and free agency. Forsling was claimed on waivers. Their 7th leading scoring forward was Evan Rodriguez at less than .4 PPG. I watched their parts carefully in the playoffs. The parts are enviable. The team is better.
when it comes to culture, the “room”, and genuine caring for each other the flyers are not far behind. a few correct moves they will be a force to be reckon with in the future.
can one say their front office knows what they are doing?
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when it comes to culture, the “room”, and genuine caring for each other the flyers are not far behind. a few correct moves they will be a force to be reckon with in the future.
can one say their front office knows what they are doing?
Hahaha! Of course the Flyers are far behind FLA. They aren’t as far behind enough other teams in the conference to make this season uninteresting.
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the end result would be nice as good shot at #1. would also cement their status as an incompetent bunch.
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The media just won’t let the Flyers die. In the media the Flyers are always rising from the dead like a vampire. You just can’t drive a stake into the narrative.
At least he says he doesn’t think the Flyers will actually make the playoffs but he put them in the group of playoff caliber teams.
good bet to make the playoffs lol. amazes me peeps dont see how good other teams are currently or can be.
from last years starting roster to this years up front; I think. excluding any rookies as TBD.
out: laughton, frost, farabee.
in: zegras and dvorak.
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I saw this and, although it’s not hockey, it made me think of the Flyers because it’s the same damn defense of the team the flyers use.
Predicted to have one of the worst if not the worst defense in the league this year but man, they have the championship culture that nobody else has.
That’s when you know you are rock bottom.
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I saw this and, although it’s not hockey, it made me think of the Flyers because it’s the same damn defense of the team the flyers use.
Predicted to have one of the worst if not the worst defense in the league this year but man, they have the championship culture that nobody else has.
That’s when you know you are rock bottom.
They need to cut about 40 goals against, or roughly half a goal a game. The goalies combining for a .900 save pct. should about get that done. It’s possible with the two Russian catastrophes gone and an upgrade, however slight, in Vladar. There are some things they just can’t do any worse on. Puck support needs to get a lot better. They have some pieces on defense. They need at least one pleasant surprise back there.
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Looks like Lappy headed to the Icelanders as a scout
He joins Rocky, who after he did such a masterful job coaching up the Flyers PP, was named the Islanders AHL head coach. It’s a crazy world we live in.
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Zeev Buium drafted #2 in the Athletic 2024 NHL redraft. Luchanko drafted at 30. Berglund 31
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The pundits, on the whole, have been a bit higher on Buium than NHL scouts. DOesn’t make the pundits wrong. It’s just something to track.
Any insight on what those differences may be? I would be interested to know where the scouts and pundits diverge on what kind of player he will be.
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The pundits, on the whole, have been a bit higher on Buium than NHL scouts. DOesn’t make the pundits wrong. It’s just something to track.
Any insight on what those differences may be? I would be interested to know where the scouts and pundits diverge on what kind of player he will be.
Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
But…
1) It was a very blueliner heavy 1st round last year (whereas 2025 was center-heavy up top)
2) He’s still viewed as a good future NHL
3) The scouts aren’t always right, and the pundits aren’t always wrong
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Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
But…
1) It was a very blueliner heavy 1st round last year (whereas 2025 was center-heavy up top)
2) He’s still viewed as a good future NHL
3) The scouts aren’t always right, and the pundits aren’t always wrongBut if he was 6’4″ (instead of 6′) do they think he’d be a #1 dman? Recency bias i guess with FLA winning.
2 year sample size for each in college.
Quinn in Mich .. 32 games, 5 goals, 28 assists and 37 games 5 goals, 24 assists
Zeev in Denver .. 42 games, 11 goals, 39 assists and 41 games, 13 goals, 35 assists.
Makar in UMass .. 32 games, 5 goals, 16 assists and 41 games, 16 goals, 33 assists.I know it’s not your personal opinion but I would like to know what the scouts see that i do not? We shall see over the next few seasons who is right but it’s not like anyone is going to call out unnamed scouts if they are wrong.
I would love to know where the scouts, who have concerns, would put him in a redraft.
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Zeev Buium drafted #2 in the Athletic 2024 NHL redraft. Luchanko drafted at 30. Berglund 31
Zeev listed as 8th best player/prospect under 23 (and as mentioned above 2nd best from his draft). Our lord and savior at center Jett? Better luck next year.
I know Bill said that the Flyers don’t care about justifying the Jett pick but evidence over the last year says otherwise. From DB’s statement that Zeev was to small to draft because they had Andrae (hahahahahaha) to the circus which resulted in Jett and the Flyers getting embarrassed during the early part of the season last year.
How much of this will they pin on Torts? Who knows? We do know that torts was absolute crap at evaluating players and coaching in general at this point in his career and he pretty much got whoever he wanted.
I think once again the bar will be low for Jett to make the team, partially because of how they have built him up even though he didn’t have a great year in juniors. It’s not really fair to the kid but the Flyers are not a competent franchise. He does everything the right (Flyers) way and they want to market that. Justify the reach. Especially, imo, with Zeev debuting this year.
As other posters have mentioned the right choice, if had been available, is probably the AHL. Since it’s not, you can reliably assume they will make the choice that is in their own self interest in the short term.
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Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
Exactly. How many teams damaged themselves trying to force the next Erik Karlsson into their lineup?
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Smallish to average-size defensemen are back out of vogue unless they are of Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox type caliber offensively. Scouts do like Buium but they don’t think of that caliber offensively nor is he viewed as a great defender(decent enough not to hurt you, though). They see him more as a Number 3/4 type in the current league: still an NHLer by any measure but not a star. That’s why he was “only” the sixth defenseman drafted.
Exactly. How many teams damaged themselves trying to force the next Erik Karlsson into their lineup?
Remember when the Flyers tried to draft the next Zdeno Chara by drafting 6’6″ Sam Morin, despite everyone during the draft projecting him to be an 8 year project because he was so raw? That would mean he’d be on at least his 3rd contract before he might pay off. Can’t teach size though. Good times.
Makar is the same size and weight as Buium and anchored a cup team only a few years ago. I know everyone wants to forget that hockey existed before FLA won the last 2 cups but it still took him a decade and all-star team around him.
You want the whole package? Plus height and elite talent? Draft top 3 (Ekblad 1st overall), otherwise you pick the BPA. Flyers sure as hell don’t ever want to pick top 3 and there’s nothing to suggest that Buium can’t anchor a cup winning team.
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Remember when the Flyers tried to draft the next Zdeno Chara by drafting 6’6″ Sam Morin, despite everyone during the draft projecting him to be an 8 year project because he was so raw? That would mean he’d be on at least his 3rd contract before he might pay off. Can’t teach size though. Good times.
Makar is the same size and weight as Buium and anchored a cup team only a few years ago. I know everyone wants to forget that hockey existed before FLA won the last 2 cups but it still took him a decade and all-star team around him.
You want the whole package? Plus height and elite talent? Draft top 3 (Ekblad 1st overall), otherwise you pick the BPA. Flyers sure as hell don’t ever want to pick top 3 and there’s nothing to suggest that Buium can’t anchor a cup winning team.
The issue with Morin was injury. I don’t think anybody was unhappy with his progress the first two injury free seasons with the Phantoms. He looked like he was on his way to being what they drafted but it was going to take awhile. Of course, in retrospect, I’d rather have Shea Theodore. Same with Patrick, who became an NHL regular as a depth center when he was a month younger than Luchanko is now. Obviously, we wouldn’t be having this conversation if the Flyers were deeper at center. The need for another center wouldn’t exist so no need to push Luchanko. It’s why Richards was almost 21 and Giroux was 21 before they became regulars. It’s a function of having a good, deep team.
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Morin was nothing more than a than a 3rd paring guy if he panned out. He was nothing very good at all
Least he has a job for life. The new lappy
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Morin was nothing more than a than a 3rd paring guy if he panned out. He was nothing very good at all
You could tell that from the three games he got into before he started getting hurt? Why hasn’t an NHL team hired you?
There is this league called the AHL. You should watch it sometime. He was nothing special in that league.
I have never applied
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glad to see the most miserable superfan punching in today for a hard days work lol
Sit ubu sit. Good doggie
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There is this league called the AHL. You should watch it sometime. He was nothing special in that league.
Hahaha, his sample size for the Phantoms was barely any bigger than the Flyers. I’m sure you watched all those Phantom games and took studious notes. If you’re such a hockey wizard, why do I never recognize it in your comments? All you ever do is whine like a little girl and spit out cliches from so-called “experts” who don’t know any more about hockey than you do, which is a pretty low bar.
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There is this league called the AHL. You should watch it sometime. He was nothing special in that league.
Hahaha, his sample size for the Phantoms was barely any bigger than the Flyers. I’m sure you watched all those Phantom games and took studious notes. If you’re such a hockey wizard, why do I never recognize it in your comments? All you ever do is whine like a little girl and spit out cliches from so-called “experts” who don’t know any more about hockey than you do, which is a pretty low bar.
May want to look again dumb dumb
Keep sucking the flyers dick. It suits you. I speak facts as you and another dope just don’t like that.
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I speak facts as you and another dope just don’t like that.
We’ll see how well your predictive abilities hold up soon enough. I’ll set the over/under for points at 86. What are you taking? Over or under? You understand how an over/under proposition works, right?
Not familiar with gambling: can you elaborate?
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Not familiar with gambling: can you elaborate?
It’s only gambling if you place a bet. Do I need to explain the difference between making a prediction and making a wager too?
yes please do. Over/ under are gambling terms are they not ?
Under 86. If they get 92 is that a banner worthy accomplishment? Future is bright stuck in the middle
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Kaprisov Turning down 16 million per. My guess is once he saw tocchet was hired he probably wants to come to Philly to play for him and with MM.
I have to say it’s extremely rare for a player to turn down what is essentially a max contract all so he can control his own future. Bravo to him.
Best guess is Chicago but that’s still just a rumor. There’s no way that the Flyers are a destination team for anyone who has a choice.
The Flyers just spent the last several years being the NHL version of Siberia (which explains why DB bribing russians or massively overpaying was the best way for him to acquire players).
Tortorella and his archaic abusive style were not what many players with options willingly walks into. Just ask York.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/latest-news/tortorella-gone-but-many-flyers-problems-remain
From here, it means missing the playoffs, not having a true No. 1 or No. 2 center, watching too many young players regress and again searching for the dependable goalie.
Other than that, the Flyers resemble the franchise’s 1973-74 and 1974-75 Stanley Cup champs.
That’s not a slap at the current team. They try hard. They rarely get outworked. But they just don’t have the talent to compete.DB continues to sell the poop sandwich he and Jones personally built as Wagyu beef. Thank god for that “only team in the NHL to have it” Stanley Cup culture. Oh yea, that world class PR team he has behind him to spin his mistakes into PR gold doesn’t hurt.
Or as Dan Hilferty sees it, the Flyers are in playoff contention and are adding players for the playoffs.
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the Ivan to columbus for a 6th rd pick. shocked danny was able to undo his mistake. makes things much easier in goal. perhaps the return of one carter hart…..
wonder what columbus sees in him.
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Gotta say I am surprised Danny got anything for him. A 6th is well worth getting some cap relief. Columbus had plenty of room to fit him in.
yeah very odd what Columbus sees in him. apparently he had a 2.5 bonus that was already paid so only like 800k in real money. guess that was enticing.
removed a potential problem. smart move either way. be funny if the Columbus goalie coach can turn hi into a solid backup.
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I speak facts as you and another dope just don’t like that.
you never say anything new, though. it’s not healthy.
at least you acknowledge you are the other dope.
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flyers had very serious interest in bringing him back. shocked he didn’t want to play for tocchet.
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Flyers: Five Takeaways From Briere Preseason Press Conference
Carter Hart – It’s not a great look for the team when a guy who hasn’t played in a year and a half says they won’t touch you with a 10 foot pole.
Risto – Finally an update. Approx 2 months into the season which in Flyers medical speak means he may never play again.
Foerster – Ramping up in training camp
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Carter Hart – It’s not a great look for the team when a guy who hasn’t played in a year and a half says they won’t touch you with a 10 foot pole.
Risto – Finally an update. Approx 2 months into the season which in Flyers medical speak means he may never play again.
Foerster – Ramping up in training camp
Bonk – Good news. Another mystery injury. That always ends well.– Can’t wait for the 1st fluff piece on gilbert and how he can help the defense
– Hope they re-sign RR when he becomes eligible. Danny said he is a very important part of that top 4.– Eat until you are sick. Flyes infatuation with size and weight has led to a lot of recent success. Guess they have their excuse if bonk has a bad year or what not. He never got healthy was behind the 8 ball from camp.
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Damn. Really pushing that Flyers PR narrative.
Back in 2023-24, the Flyers were in playoff position as the trade deadline neared. However, Briere did not feel the organizational rebuild was far enough along (either at the NHL level or system wide) to avoid being sellers. Consequently, the team dealt starting defenseman Sean Walker to Colorado for a first-round pick. Last year, Briere traded longtime team leader Scott Laughton to obtain a first-round pick.
DB tried to resign Walker but couldn’t. It was trade him or lose him for nothing at the end of the year, 1 year into a supposed rebuild. Despite Jones telling the players plainly that this was not a rebuild, letting a veteran walk for nothing at the end of the year might’ve been a bridge to far for the fans with blinders on especially if the Flyers ended up missing the playoffs. A rebuilding team also would’ve traded Laughton at that time but they needed another year of his leadership which resulted in an even worse team. Thank god the Leafs GM was an idiot this past tdl. Just when you think there are no more Chuck Fletchers, one more pops up. Laughton was a total no show for the Leafs playoff run. 4 pts in 20 games in the regular season with 2 assists TOTAL in the playoffs and being demoted to the 4th line. How badly do you think the Leafs want a do over? He is great in “the room” though.
>However, Briere does not think the team is currently ready to be buyers, either. He didn’t say so explicitly, but the plan seems to more or less be to evaluate the team under its new coaching staff, and then proceed. The GM will rely on internal player improvements at various positions and see where things are for the longer-term outline. A skeptic would call it a “stand pat” year. However, keep in mind that all but one offseason acquisition/ signing is on an expiring contract this season.
Hmm.. Danny’s boss thinks differently and isn’t afraid to tell the world. Just last week.
x.com/BroadStBull/status/1965797173922283577
CEO Dan Hilferty: “Now we’re adding and you only add when you think you’re in the playoff conversation.”
He said fans are buying in, the Flyers had 90 percent of the fans renew their season tickets.So who do you believe Dan “man of the people” Hilferty or DB?
The reality is they’ve been trying to make the playoffs the last 2 years despite being under the restrictions of all the 8 year contracts Fletcher handed out and then DB handed out and Ellis’s LTIR. The rebuild nonsense was just to lower expectations so the fans would keep coming to the games while they wait for the long term contracts to expire.
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I believe them both to an extent; despite both being full of shit. Danny talks out both sides of his mouth. Numerous quotes over the years where he contradicts himself.
“Hilf” is a stone-cold moron. Whatever “Jonesy” and briere sell him he will eat it up.
What exactly are the fans buying into? The great bring back tocchet move?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX4qZFFPNo
enjoy.
watch then tell me if you think the flyers are on the path to contention. The flyers way. all one can do is shake your head. sad thing is peeps eat this shit up.
– “jonesy” on nesbitt: so and so knows the family plays tough and mean. new era of orange II. some things will never change. skill is secondary.
“jonesy” – we got size we got size. once again no mention of skill.
“jonesy” – he looks like a flyers to me. Damn calling the kid a loser already.
Tocchet – look at the character, he will block shots, then the skill. pure gold
once a flyer always a flyer.
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I believe them both to an extent; despite both being full of shit. Danny talks out both sides of his mouth. Numerous quotes over the years where he contradicts himself.
“Hilf” is a stone-cold moron. Whatever “Jonesy” and briere sell him he will eat it up.
What exactly are the fans buying into? The great bring back tocchet move?
Like it or not, The Flyers have an identity they want to put forth and they will never move away from that. They would rather die on that “Play Like A Flyer” hill than ever change it or adapt. Their 50 years of playoff success has proven……..wait…..
Whatever. I hope they do succeed using this model they mythologized over the course of the franchise. Hold on to it long enough that that league comes around to being a tough physical based game over skill based. I’m not holding my breath. Right now the Flyers lack size AND skill. ITs good they addressed some of that in this draft, at least with Martone. Either way, Ill be long dead before this team ever wins a cup.
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Nesbitt absolutely has some skill. As for the tiny snippets of conversation they show, they selectively choose those because a segment of the fanbase worries more about that than if someone can play overall. In any given year, I probably have a dozen 10-15 minute hockey conversations with Keith Jones. He knows the game thoroughly.
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I believe them both to an extent; despite both being full of shit. Danny talks out both sides of his mouth. Numerous quotes over the years where he contradicts himself.
“Hilf” is a stone-cold moron. Whatever “Jonesy” and briere sell him he will eat it up.
What exactly are the fans buying into? The great bring back tocchet move?
Like it or not, The Flyers have an identity they want to put forth and they will never move away from that. They would rather die on that “Play Like A Flyer” hill than ever change it or adapt. Their 50 years of playoff success has proven……..wait…..
Whatever. I hope they do succeed using this model they mythologized over the course of the franchise. Hold on to it long enough that that league comes around to being a tough physical based game over skill based. I’m not holding my breath. Right now the Flyers lack size AND skill. ITs good they addressed some of that in this draft, at least with Martone. Either way, Ill be long dead before this team ever wins a cup.
its more amazing the number of peeps who buy their bullshit. one of the biggest con jobs in all of sports. flyers fans by far one of if not the dumbest in the league.
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Please get someone to moderate this board or this site is going to die regardless of the content. I’m not talking about the hockey discussions but i just went through 2 pages of Expedia articles to get to a hockey article and i’m not going to keep doing that.
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Please get someone to moderate this board or this site is going to die regardless of the content. I’m not talking about the hockey discussions but i just went through 2 pages of Expedia articles to get to a hockey article and i’m not going to keep doing that.
We had a spam infiltration late last night. It will be dealt with. If you’re volunteering to be a mod, I accept LOL.
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Please get someone to moderate this board or this site is going to die regardless of the content. I’m not talking about the hockey discussions but i just went through 2 pages of Expedia articles to get to a hockey article and i’m not going to keep doing that.
We had a spam infiltration late last night. It will be dealt with. If you’re volunteering to be a mod, I accept LOL.
I appreciate those who volunteer their spare time to mod but I doubt I would be good at it.
Glad you were able to get it fixed.
Thanks.
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Nesbitt absolutely has some skill. As for the tiny snippets of conversation they show, they selectively choose those because a segment of the fanbase worries more about that than if someone can play overall. In any given year, I probably have a dozen 10-15 minute hockey conversations with Keith Jones. He knows the game thoroughly.
It’s that’s the narrative they choose to put out there and even encourage then how can you critical of fans who respond to it and think “Flyers hockey” (the narrative) is bullshit in 2025?
In your own writings I know there certain things you can’t say or personal views you can’t express or positions you have to take based on your employer. Yet you have managed those restrictions, during your long career, with grace.
DB and Jones play to the lowest common denominator, intentionally. There’s no subtly, no nuance, no hidden truth. Whether he knows hockey or not is largely irrelevant because he wasn’t hired to do anything of any substance on the hockey side.
Jones is a career color commentator with no aspirations or known ability to be in a front office (not even a night class from Wharton). Comcast backed up a brinks truck full of money and said all you need to do is stand in front of the camera, like you have for the last 20 years, and say “aw shucks” in a friendly manner with a smile on your face. Jones told them he’d be their Huckleberry.
He’s doing what he’s paid to do and that is to make it more appealing for the lowest common denominator part to with their money. Nothing more, nothing less for this entertainment division of Comcast.
If he wants to be judged by more than the circumstances of his hiring and the narrative he chooses to project, then he needs to change it.
Anyway, having never met the man, just my opinion from a birds eye view.
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Anyway, having never met the man, just my opinion from a birds eye view.
I wish you would have started your ignorant tirade with this statement so I could have disregarded your opinion sooner.
You know absolutely nothing.
Please stop the ad hominem attacks. They add nothing to the conversation and just drives people away from a site that is trying to grow. User engagement, not user beratement. Otherwise there is reddit where you will be rewarded.
To recap:
A Flyers promotional video was reposted and discussed.
Bill Meltzer posted that Jones is smarter than he appears in the video because the flyers need to pander to a certain segment of fans. He knows this because he knows Jones.
My take is that if you don’t want people to think you are a fool, don’t willingly let a big corp portray you as a fool. Otherwise, count your money and let people think you are in idiot.What did you think of the video? Did you agree with the original take of the video? What do you think of Jones/Flyers and why?
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Anyway, having never met the man, just my opinion from a birds eye view.
I wish you would have started your ignorant tirade with this statement so I could have disregarded your opinion sooner.
You know absolutely nothing.
Please stop the ad hominem attacks. They add nothing to the conversation and just drives people away from a site that is trying to grow. User engagement, not user beratement. Otherwise there is reddit where you will be rewarded.
To recap:
A Flyers promotional video was reposted and discussed.
Bill Meltzer posted that Jones is smarter than he appears in the video because the flyers need to pander to a certain segment of fans. He knows this because he knows Jones.
My take is that if you don’t want people to think you are a fool, don’t willingly let a big corp portray you as a fool. Otherwise, count your money and let people think you are in idiot.What did you think of the video? Did you agree with the original take of the video? What do you think of Jones/Flyers and why?
the gold standard. one of the best run organizations in sports. one of the winningest franchises in the NHL. dedicated ownership who wants to win. a management team who is on the right path to contention. a new, successful, era of orange.
also knowing hockey doesn’t equate to one being successful at running a team or to be successful as a coach.
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As a player Jonsey is portrayed as a guy with no skill or talent and a questionable work ethic, yet he was a solid NHL role player. As a broadcaster he’s portrayed as a clown who makes fart jokes, yet he was the top color guy in broadcasting. Now he’s the dopey broadcaster who lucked into a meaningless figurehead role…
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the gold standard. one of the best run organizations in sports. one of the winningest franchises in the NHL. dedicated ownership who wants to win. a management team who is on the right path to contention. a new, successful, era of orange.
also knowing hockey doesn’t equate to one being successful at running a team or to be successful as a coach.
Was not last year the most embarrassing season of Flyers hockey in the most embarrassingly way possible? Especially for a team who thought they could make the playoffs?
The Flyers intentionally playing shorthanded on defense at the beginning of last year. Refusing to call up players. Who does that besides the flyers?
The embarrassing Jett fiasco at the beginning of the season where he ended up in the press box for 2 weeks to save face so they could say they gave him the 10 game trial. He wasn’t ready and he didn’t play well enough in training camp to make the Flyers give him the 10 games.
The record # of line changes in the first month of the season that became an internet meme. How was that competent coaching?
We also now find out that Torts pretty much left the training camp coaching to his assistants (that was just in a preseason article).
The big club had very little input/interaction with the Phantoms at Torts direction.and ending up with ..
York getting suspended by the team because Torts crossed the line. If Torts crossed the line, why was the player suspended? Amateur hour by a front office trying to figure out how to protect themselves.
Still not enough to get Torts fired so Torts had to take it up a notch.https://x.com/scottcwheeler/status/1904719643173937221
Tortorella: “This falls on me. I’m not really interested in learning how to coach in this type of season, where we’re at right now.”
“I really hope that this is the bottom,” Briere said. “This is rock bottom for us today, and this is the turnaround.”
Only after that were DB and Jonesy forced to act to save themselves. Up to that point they were partners in crime.
They would prefer we get collective amnesia regarding how the new era of orange has been going. Actually reaching lows lower than Fletcher 2 years after he was fired.
I would love for someone to explain to me how the Flyers weren’t a house on fire last year with 2 out of the 3 arsonists still in charge going forward? or we can pretend it was all a dream sequence and never talk of it again.
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were danny boy and “jones” forced to fire torts? if so by whom I wonder. clearly, he had to go though danny has said numerous times he wanted him back.
hiring torts set this franchise back many years. either danny didn’t have the balls to fire him when he was named GM to go in his own direction or he wasn’t allowed. Either way it is terrible outcome.
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Torts, Torts, Torts! Bad Torts is gone, never to return, unless the Flyers decide to retire his sweat suit. You all would have been far better off if you had stopped following the Flyers, like me, when he was first hired. Then you wouldn’t be suffering from Post Traumatic Torts Syndrome.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Are you in favor of the Flyers repeating their past mistakes?
Lest we forget, Torts was only one head of the hydra. It was a triumvirate. The remaining 2 heads would prefer you ignore the bloody stump.
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Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Are you in favor of the Flyers repeating their past mistakes?
Lest we forget, Torts was only one head of the hydra. It was a triumvirate. The remaining 2 heads would prefer you ignore the bloody stump.
Boy, that Terry Simpson was an awful Flyers coach. His failure in the 93-94 season is still hampering the team to this day!
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Boy, that Terry Simpson was an awful Flyers coach. His failure in the 93-94 season is still hampering the team to this day!
It would be nice if you would add to the conversation instead of just trolling but you are what you are I guess.
Still Terry became an important part of Flyers history lest we forget, who, like Torts, was hired by clueless executives to return the Flyers to glory after missing the playoffs. Jay Snider was in charge while Russ Farwell was GM and Terry brought them all down. A real murderers row of executives. Terry’s failure in his lone year as coach caused Ed Snider to take back the team presidency from Jay and Russ’s final act before he himself was fired was to fire Terry.
In a circle of life moment, Russ’s firing brought back Clarke to the Flyers who as senior advisor was instrumental to get Torts hired.
There might be a lesson there but seriously the coach/co-GM who was just let go only a few months ago is extremely relevant to the current players and make up of the current front office.
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were danny boy and “jones” forced to fire torts? if so by whom I wonder. clearly, he had to go though danny has said numerous times he wanted him back.
hiring torts set this franchise back many years. either danny didn’t have the balls to fire him when he was named GM to go in his own direction or he wasn’t allowed. Either way it is terrible outcome.
Why is Jones in quotes here? Are you saying that it might not really be his name?
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were danny boy and “jones” forced to fire torts? if so by whom I wonder. clearly, he had to go though danny has said numerous times he wanted him back.
hiring torts set this franchise back many years. either danny didn’t have the balls to fire him when he was named GM to go in his own direction or he wasn’t allowed. Either way it is terrible outcome.
Why is Jones in quotes here? Are you saying that it might not really be his name?
should have been “jonesy”
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It would be nice if you would add to the conversation instead of just trolling but you are what you are I guess.
Still Terry became an important part of Flyers history lest we forget, who, like Torts, was hired by clueless executives to return the Flyers to glory after missing the playoffs. Jay Snider was in charge while Russ Farwell was GM and Terry brought them all down. A real murderers row of executives. Terry’s failure in his lone year as coach caused Ed Snider to take back the team presidency from Jay and Russ’s final act before he himself was fired was to fire Terry.
There might be a lesson there but seriously the coach/co-GM who was just let go only a few months ago is extremely relevant to the current players and make up of the current front office.
Pot? Meet kettle. Actually, Farwell did some good things during his tenure. He fixed the drafting, despite the Jagr pass, traded for Brind’Amour and Lindros, despite the Forsberg inclusion. Torts is not extremely relevant to the current players. These guys are focused on right now. Perhaps a handful are still traumatized about a bad coach they had in pee-wees.
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It would be nice if you would add to the conversation instead of just trolling but you are what you are I guess.
Still Terry became an important part of Flyers history lest we forget, who, like Torts, was hired by clueless executives to return the Flyers to glory after missing the playoffs. Jay Snider was in charge while Russ Farwell was GM and Terry brought them all down. A real murderers row of executives. Terry’s failure in his lone year as coach caused Ed Snider to take back the team presidency from Jay and Russ’s final act before he himself was fired was to fire Terry.
There might be a lesson there but seriously the coach/co-GM who was just let go only a few months ago is extremely relevant to the current players and make up of the current front office.
Pot? Meet kettle. Actually, Farwell did some good things during his tenure. He fixed the drafting, despite the Jagr pass, traded for Brind’Amour and Lindros, despite the Forsberg inclusion. Torts is not extremely relevant to the current players. These guys are focused on right now. Perhaps a handful are still traumatized about a bad coach they had in pee-wees.
did hiring torts set this franchise back? yes or no.
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did hiring torts set this franchise back? yes or no.
I only watched last year and saw a bad team with quite a few good players. How is that possible with a coach in his third year if he’s not an issue? I would say yes but all that is irrelevant going forward.
it is not irrelevant. not sure how one can say otherwise.
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it is not irrelevant. not sure how one can say otherwise.
How is it relevant? Are players not getting enough sleep because they’re waking up from nightmares of Torts demanding they block shots?
if you took a big picture/long term approach you would understand why.
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if you took a big picture/long term approach you would understand why.
Thanks for the non-answer. How will the ghost of Torts impact Zegras this year? As far as long term goes, do you think Martone will be damaged by Torts’ ghost?
it isnt a non-answer. your just dumb.
its not about the players he coached. overall organization wide it set them back a lot.you really are a fucking dope. you have no common sense or smarts. can’t even buy a clue.
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it isnt a non-answer. your just dumb.
its not about the players he coached. overall organization wide it set them back a lot.you really are a fucking dope. you have no common sense or smarts. can’t even buy a clue.
That’s really nice language and on a Tuesday no less. Sorry you got frustrated because your brain seized up again when asked a simple question. Pro Tip: Professional athletes are mentally tougher than you are. How did Torts “overall organization wide. . . set them back a lot”? His three years of missing the playoffs got them better draft picks and deadline dumps got them more assets. Now that it’s in the rear view mirror, Torts helped lead to their bottoming out, which “big picture”, is working out fine.
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it isnt a non-answer. your just dumb.
its not about the players he coached. overall organization wide it set them back a lot.you really are a fucking dope. you have no common sense or smarts. can’t even buy a clue.
That’s really nice language and on a Tuesday no less. Sorry you got frustrated because your brain seized up again when asked a simple question. Pro Tip: Professional athletes are mentally tougher than you are. How did Torts “overall organization wide. . . set them back a lot”? His three years of missing the playoffs got them better draft picks and deadline dumps got them more assets. Now that it’s in the rear view mirror, Torts helped lead to their bottoming out, which “big picture”, is working out fine.
as I said you are a fucking dope. when did they bottom out? working out fine, only a flyers cock sucker would believe that. go flyers.
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as I said you are a fucking dope. when did they bottom out? working out fine, only a flyers cock sucker would believe that. go flyers.
Everything about you screams “can’t function in civilized society.”
They bottomed out late last season. It’s over now. You can come out of the bomb shelter. Carolina has a lot of small, skilled players. Maybe you should start following them.
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as I said you are a fucking dope. when did they bottom out? working out fine, only a flyers cock sucker would believe that. go flyers.
Everything about you screams “can’t function in civilized society.”
They bottomed out late last season. It’s over now. You can come out of the bomb shelter. Carolina has a lot of small, skilled players. Maybe you should start following them.
Only an idiot like yourself would think they bottomed out last season. You must really love incompetence.
Comparing the flyers and Carolina is so on point for a well-educated flyers fan like you.
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Only an idiot like yourself would think they bottomed out last season. You must really love incompetence.
Comparing the flyers and Carolina is so on point for a well-educated flyers fan like you.
Only an idiot would think I compared Carolina to the Flyers there. Logan Stankovic is 5-8, 173 lbs. Say hello to your new favorite
player. He’s a needle mover!https://www.espn.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/4874899/logan-stankoven
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Only an idiot like yourself would think they bottomed out last season. You must really love incompetence.
Comparing the flyers and Carolina is so on point for a well-educated flyers fan like you.
Only an idiot would think I compared Carolina to the Flyers there. Logan Stankovic is 5-8, 173 lbs. Say hello to your new favorite
player. He’s a needle mover!another gem
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Some interesting quotes
Torts : In an interview with NHL.com, he wanted to clear the air. “I loved coaching them,” he said. “I heard a couple NHL coaches accuse me [of quitting on the Flyers]. Did I quit on the team after those comments I made in Toronto? I haven’t quit on a [expletive] thing in my life. Those comments were totally taken out of [context].”
Not sure that qualifies as clearing the air, more of a don’t believe your eyes and ears, i still want a coaching job. Sounds like even his peers agree he quit.
Coots : Couturier said the following about the team’s ineffective power play: “It was almost like, the last couple years, guys were scared to make plays and get pulled off [the power play]. It’s not quite, I think, the mentality or philosophy you want to have going into a power play and trying to score a goal, when you’re scared to make plays.”
Also, Torts is getting some help with his damage control to his image. Sullivan is really doing him a solid.
yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/john_tortorella_taking_on_new_role_with_team_usa/s1_17437_42807157
Sullivan : ”I want you to reveal yourself to the players and the other coaches,” Sullivan continued. “I want you to show the John Tortorella that I know, that my wife knows, that my kids know, that your kids know, that you don’t show the world very often.”
ROFL. Tortorella is 67 and is going to reveal himself, for the first time, like a blooming flower to the world. How desperate is he to get another job and I wonder how his PR team got him to understand how bad his image is.
This guys is going to bloom? “It goes with me everywhere,” Tortorella said with a smile. “I’ve been fired a few times; I always ask for the rope back when I’m out the door.”
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did hiring torts set this franchise back? yes or no.
No, but he didn’t progress it either. Poor ownership, management, decision making and drafting set the franchise back. It’s going to take a few more years to climb out of it too!
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No, but he didn’t progress it either. Poor ownership, management, decision making and drafting set the franchise back. It’s going to take a few more years to climb out of it too!
Some people are questioning all those 8 year contracts handed out. It’s all about the timeline and what appears to be a scattershot approach towards building towards a future contending team.
Having that much money allocated to two players in their mid-30s could be a problem. By that point, they could be third-liners—perhaps still capable of 20-goal seasons, but with a regressed all-around impact.
That kind of inefficient spending can severely limit a team’s ceiling. Instead of being able to add a top-four defenseman, for example, the Flyers may not have the funds to make that happen. -
did hiring torts set this franchise back? yes or no.
No, but he didn’t progress it either. Poor ownership, management, decision making and drafting set the franchise back. It’s going to take a few more years to climb out of it too!
that is a direct link to hiring torts no?
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based on the “earning” it mantra the russian and olympian should be on the roster as of today.
the jett needs to be sent back as he is offering nothing that they cant find off the street at this time to fill in at 4th line. you are doing him and the future of the team a disservice to keep him. Part of me hopes they do keep him and turn him into a solid 4th line center with zero offense as all about the entertainment.
if they have any real plans ( i doubt they do) about the future then it is an easy choice on what to do.
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What’s with the site as recent post just disappearing.
Like predicted Andrae sent down. Imagine him being one of the names mentioned why they didn’t draft Buium. NHL ready flahr said last year. Granted he didn’t do anything to stand out or separate himself from the pack. Looks like another wasted 2nd rd pick. Thouh where the flyers are at he should be in the lineup over juulson and gilbert, maybe zamula.
2016-2022 2nd rd picks: Labarge, hart, allison, ratcliff, ginning, brink, andrae, Samu. Add helge. Not very impressive.
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What’s with the site as recent post just disappearing.
Like predicted Andrae sent down. Imagine him being one of the names mentioned why they didn’t draft Buium. NHL ready flahr said last year. Granted he didn’t do anything to stand out or separate himself from the pack. Looks like another wasted 2nd rd pick. Thouh where the flyers are at he should be in the lineup over juulson and gilbert, maybe zamula.
2016-2022 2nd rd picks: Labarge, hart, allison, ratcliff, ginning, brink, andrae, Samu. Add helge. Not very impressive.
The Flyers have no clue where they are at and never have.
https://x.com/BroadStBull/status/1965797173922283577
CEO Dan Hilferty: “Now we’re adding and you only add when you think you’re in the playoff conversation.”
They are loading up for the playoffs (or is it the rebuild?) and you know what the Flyers think about small defensemen in the playoffs.
It’s hard to keep track of which lie they push on any given day.
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What’s with the site as recent post just disappearing.
Like predicted Andrae sent down. Imagine him being one of the names mentioned why they didn’t draft Buium. NHL ready flahr said last year. Granted he didn’t do anything to stand out or separate himself from the pack. Looks like another wasted 2nd rd pick. Thouh where the flyers are at he should be in the lineup over juulson and gilbert, maybe zamula.
2016-2022 2nd rd picks: Labarge, hart, allison, ratcliff, ginning, brink, andrae, Samu. Add helge. Not very impressive.
The Flyers have no clue where they are at and never have.
CEO Dan Hilferty: “Now we’re adding and you only add when you think you’re in the playoff conversation.”
They are loading up for the playoffs (or is it the rebuild?) and you know what the Flyers think about small defensemen in the playoffs.
It’s hard to keep track of which lie they push on any given day.
“hilf” is a fucking fan boy buffoon. best part is they added 1 player who in theory can make a positive difference.
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What’s with the site as recent post just disappearing.
Like predicted Andrae sent down. Imagine him being one of the names mentioned why they didn’t draft Buium. NHL ready flahr said last year. Granted he didn’t do anything to stand out or separate himself from the pack. Looks like another wasted 2nd rd pick. Thouh where the flyers are at he should be in the lineup over juulson and gilbert, maybe zamula.
2016-2022 2nd rd picks: Labarge, hart, allison, ratcliff, ginning, brink, andrae, Samu. Add helge. Not very impressive.
I addressed it on Twitter and Facebook. Our database got past capacity. We had to reset it to September 29 and then start a migration from a shared server to a dedicated server.
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<p class=”userway-s15-active” data-userway-s15-styled=”true” style=”font-family: UDF, serif !important; transition: all;”>Like predicted Andrae sent down. Imagine him being one of the names mentioned why they didn’t draft Buium. NHL ready flahr said last year. Granted he didn’t do anything to stand out or separate himself from the pack. Looks like another wasted 2nd rd pick. Thouh where the flyers are at he should be in the lineup over juulson and gilbert, maybe zamula.
<p class=”userway-s15-active” data-userway-s15-styled=”true” style=”font-family: UDF, serif !important; transition: all;”>2016-2022 2nd rd picks: Labarge, hart, allison, ratcliff, ginning, brink, andrae, Samu. Add helge. Not very impressive.
I addressed it on Twitter and Facebook. Our database got past capacity. We had to reset it to September 29 and then start a migration from a shared server to a dedicated server.
Bill what defensive unit is worse:
the current group or 1992/93 group
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https://x.com/NHLFlyers/status/1973406298277552419
Bonk out another 2 weeks. Does anyone even know what his specific injury is? As usual Flyers injury updates are useless and of course he went from day-to-day to week-to-week so that’s not great.
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Bonk out another 2 weeks. Does anyone even know what his specific injury is? As usual Flyers injury updates are useless and of course he went from day-to-day to week-to-week so that’s not great.
Oliver Bonk could still earn spot on Flyers’ blue line once healthy
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Hard to earn a spot from the hot tub but it is the Flyers.
From the article :
In fact, he might be in the running simply by having not played.
That’s not to say Bonk will hit the ground running and establish himself as an outstanding rookie defenseman immediately. Yet, the average to rather uninspiring play from some of the blueliners not in the top two pairs has Bonk with a chance. Bonk might end up with the Flyers as soon as he’s physically ready to play.
It’s basically saying the Flyers defense is so bad that you don’t have to earn a spot to make the big club, you just have to be breathing. It doesn’t sound like some things have improved at all since Torts left but they still have that patented Flyers Stanley Cup winning culture to build around although the closest they’ve been to the cup is watching it on TV.
If training camp doesn’t matter, you know what this means? Jett has a chance to make the big club!
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Hard to earn a spot from the hot tub but it is the Flyers.
From the article :
In fact, he might be in the running simply by having not played.
That’s not to say Bonk will hit the ground running and establish himself as an outstanding rookie defenseman immediately. Yet, the average to rather uninspiring play from some of the blueliners not in the top two pairs has Bonk with a chance. Bonk might end up with the Flyers as soon as he’s physically ready to play.It’s basically saying the Flyers defense is so bad that you don’t have to earn a spot to make the big club, you just have to be breathing. It doesn’t sound like some things have improved at all since Torts left but they still have that patented Flyers Stanley Cup winning culture to build around although the closest they’ve been to the cup is watching it on TV.
If training camp doesn’t matter, you know what this means? Jett has a chance to make the big club!
that piece is a joke as no way bonk starts on the flyers for a variety of reasons.
on a side not sure how any real flyers fan can have faith/optimism with this team, farm system, and management to get them to “contending” status.
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that piece is a joke as no way bonk starts on the flyers for a variety of reasons.
on a side not sure how any real flyers fan can have faith/optimism with this team, farm system, and management to get them to “contending” status.
The article may be over the top but isn’t that far off from other puff pieces the Flyers are putting out there. He’ll start in the AHL but it may just be to get in shape. At least that seems to be the message from a number of outlets. Hopefully he spends the year in the AHL regardless of how bad the big club defense is player development needs to come first during a ‘rebuild’.
yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/flyers_top_prospect_out_week_to_week_with_upper_body_injury/s1_14825_42831115
Head coach Rick Tocchet has reportedly become disenfranchised with the available defense options, telling NHL contributor Bill Meltzer that nobody has stepped up enough to grab one of the team’s bubble spots on defense.
Should that disappointing play continue into the first few weeks of the regular season, the Flyers could conceivably use Bonk’s first few games with the Phantoms as a makeshift training camp. If he excels through the first few weeks, Philadelphia could recall him for an opportunity at the NHL level. -
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That was quite the word salad by Tocchet. It was like a high schooler asked to give a report on a book he hadn’t read. Let’s hope Charlie’s take is wrong and the choice isn’t Jett over Abols.
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That was quite the word salad by Tocchet. It was like a high schooler asked to give a report on a book he hadn’t read. Let’s hope Charlie’s take is wrong and the choice isn’t Jett over Abols.
love the all about “consistency” part”. guess winning a job on merit is not the way.
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after “rebuilding” the last 3 years this is the roster. job well done.
– zamula hasn’t taken that next step and may never will. if you can get a mid rd pick for him I do it.
– seeing where the flyers are at, they need to stop worrying about size and fit. Andrae should be on that bottom pair as he has more upside than the rest. he was nhl ready a year ago flahr was touting.
– carrying 8 dman is a joke if they go that route. is it to save face and not have to cut gilbert or juulson?
– if you’re going to keep ginnnig then play him, unless flat out awful, and live with his mistakes.
– JD trade looking better and better. not even karl dykhuis level. if he keeps up his inconsistent play, will they re-sign him to save face?
– tippet contract will not be a good one. you do not give non-core players 8 years.
– goaltending will keep the ship sinking. really don’t see vlader helping. he was on a better team last year and put up below average numbers.
– at what point do you cut bait with ersson. he also needs a new contract at years end. should have taken a shot with askarov when he was available
– boucher is unbearable on the home telecast. at least he thinks the jett should go back to juniors.
flyers fans thinking this team has a “shot” for the playoffs is hysterical.
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after “rebuilding” the last 3 years this is the roster. job well done.
– zamula hasn’t taken that next step and may never will. if you can get a mid rd pick for him I do it.
– seeing where the flyers are at, they need to stop worrying about size and fit. Andrae should be on that bottom pair as he has more upside than the rest. he was nhl ready a year ago flahr was touting.
– carrying 8 dman is a joke if they go that route. is it to save face and not have to cut gilbert or juulson?
– if you’re going to keep ginnnig then play him, unless flat out awful, and live with his mistakes.
– JD trade looking better and better. not even karl dykhuis level. if he keeps up his inconsistent play, will they re-sign him to save face?
– tippet contract will not be a good one. you do not give non-core players 8 years.
– goaltending will keep the ship sinking. really don’t see vlader helping. he was on a better team last year and put up below average numbers.
– at what point do you cut bait with ersson. he also needs a new contract at years end. should have taken a shot with askarov when he was available
– boucher is unbearable on the home telecast. at least he thinks the jett should go back to juniors.
flyers fans thinking this team has a “shot” for the playoffs is hysterical.
I don’t think carrying 8 dmen is ever a great look for a team. It sends the message that you don’t have enough quality forwards to dress and for a team in year 3 of a rebuild that should be showcasing young forward talent, it sends the message you have failed in your job. I don’t think you will see the Blackhawks carrying 8 defensemen when they finalize their roster.
Unless you have a Dominik Hasek, the majority of the goalies will not look good behind a bad defense. A point the Flyers have never addressed in a practical manner. The goalies get all the blame but the defensive core, which on average has been below average, generally gets a pass. And no, being on the Flyers top 4 doesn’t make you a top defenseman in the league.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current-players-ranked-top-20-defensemen-2025
You aren’t going to see a Flyers defenseman anywhere near that list. No one in the system is even projected to ever be on that list. If you aren’t going to have great goaltending, you need great defense and the Flyers have neither. The Flyers were the #1 team in the league in blocked shots but near the bottom in many advanced stats and it’s hard to argue that they have improved from the team that got Fletcher fired other than this front office is much better at controlling the media.
The team just spent 3 years trying to play harder, not smarter. Blocking a puck with your face is better than making a good outlet pass, etc.
Play the younger guys and live with the mistakes, you can’t have players walking on eggshells, like they have been for the last 3 years. The Flyers FO has done the players a huge disservice and the 2 survivors aren’t going to accept any blame.
Coots : Couturier said the following about the team’s ineffective power play: “It was almost like, the last couple years, guys were scared to make plays and get pulled off [the power play]. It’s not quite, I think, the mentality or philosophy you want to have going into a power play and trying to score a goal, when you’re scared to make plays.”
Is it any wonder the team building failed under Torts/Jones/DB?
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– boucher is unbearable on the home telecast. at least he thinks the jett should go back to juniors.
It’s interesting that in the last 48 hours an article or two has finally popped up finally saying that maybe it’s not so bad if he goes back to juniors. Up until then it was just go, go , go, Jett needs to be in the NHL no matter what.
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I dont 100% blame the goalies as the defense is garbage overall. They have 2 dman (maybe 3 but you get the point) who would fit on other contending teams. Thats it IMO. That being said the goalies are also garbage. Sam has shown over all his stops he isn’t that good. save % always below 90.
As far as the system, yep 1 guy who could be a top 4 D. All the others unless they play above their weight are bottom pair; if they make it. Sure, someone could surprise. Any faith in the flyers developing someone who projects a bottom pair into a solid top 4?
Same with the goalies. yet they have a goalie coach who seems untouchable despite the results.
for a team that was “rebuilding” under the current GM, they sure as shit have so many key holes and no closer to contention then when he took over.
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I don’t think carrying 8 dmen is ever a great look for a team. It sends the message that you don’t have enough quality forwards to dress and for a team in year 3 of a rebuild that should be showcasing young forward talent, it sends the message you have failed in your job. I don’t think you will see the Blackhawks carrying 8 defensemen when they finalize their roster.
I was surprised by this, but carrying 8 Dmen is actually fairly common. 10 teams started the season that way last year including the Leafs, Caps, Colorado and Vegas. Tell me how those teams are failures. All of them made the playoffs last year and three of them have won cups within the last few years.
https://puckpedia.com/news/2024-25-nhl-opening-rosters
Now I don’t recall the Flyers ever doing it. Maybe that’s why the possibility caught so many, including me, by surprise. I also don’t think an 8D roster best fits the current talent, or lack thereof, on the team. D is a problem, Ersson is a problem, situational awareness is a problem. One Flyer strength looks to be stealing points in a shootout. To me that means locking things down late in tie games, drag the other team into the shootout and steal a point there.
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It appears the short-term strategy is to hope somehow the team save % can get above .900. I am not very optimistic this will happen. They are still much closer to a top 5 pick then a playoff spot. Frankly, until this current regime can show the ability to get consistent goaltending, all the other aspects to building the roster will not matter. Briere cannot just point to and look at Zavragin will be really good when gets here. Looks like Dilly’s last hope to save his job will be if Vladar can post a career best save % this season. Boosh will have to word salad a ridiculous amount of times this season to avoid using the term “soft goal” this season.
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It appears the short-term strategy is to hope somehow the team save % can get above .900. I am not very optimistic this will happen. They are still much closer to a top 5 pick then a playoff spot. Frankly, until this current regime can show the ability to get consistent goaltending, all the other aspects to building the roster will not matter. Briere cannot just point to and look at Zavragin will be really good when gets here. Looks like Dilly’s last hope to save his job will be if Vladar can post a career best save % this season. Boosh will have to word salad a ridiculous amount of times this season to avoid using the term “soft goal” this season.
Vladar has looked pretty decent, not sure how many games he can maintain that. Ersson just is not getting the job done although he did make a few nice saves last night.
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It appears the short-term strategy is to hope somehow the team save % can get above .900. I am not very optimistic this will happen. They are still much closer to a top 5 pick then a playoff spot. Frankly, until this current regime can show the ability to get consistent goaltending, all the other aspects to building the roster will not matter. Briere cannot just point to and look at Zavragin will be really good when gets here. Looks like Dilly’s last hope to save his job will be if Vladar can post a career best save % this season. Boosh will have to word salad a ridiculous amount of times this season to avoid using the term “soft goal” this season.
All the eggs are already in the basket.
Flyers fans better start praying this kid isn’t the next in a long line of Maxime Oullet over-hyped goaltenders.
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It appears the short-term strategy is to hope somehow the team save % can get above .900. I am not very optimistic this will happen. They are still much closer to a top 5 pick then a playoff spot. Frankly, until this current regime can show the ability to get consistent goaltending, all the other aspects to building the roster will not matter. Briere cannot just point to and look at Zavragin will be really good when gets here. Looks like Dilly’s last hope to save his job will be if Vladar can post a career best save % this season. Boosh will have to word salad a ridiculous amount of times this season to avoid using the term “soft goal” this season.
All the eggs are already in the basket.
Flyers fans better start praying this kid isn’t the next in a long line of Maxime Oullet over-hyped goaltenders.
I agree, the expectations will be ridiculous. I am amazed how long a leash Dillabaugh has received from this organization. He has been the goaltending coach since the ’15-’16 season. For an organization putting a huge emphasis on player development to rebuild the team into a contender, I just do not understand the current plan to solidify the crease.
Right now, I believe the team will be better offensively, but whatever they construct as a 3rd pair and the goalie depth chart right now, I see them battling it out for the basement in the Eastern Conference. At this point it would be a miracle to see the the team goals against below 3 by the end of the season.
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“dilly” probably a ‘great” guy. good in the “room”. players “love” him. gets “along” with everyone. doesn’t rock the boat. probably never asks for a raise lol
results be damned
If I am “zavy” I demand a new goalie coach before I come over…..
When the point is raised that maybe Dillabaugh is a liability, it seems to be quickly dismissed. Almost makes one wonder what a Flyers goaltending coach actually does as it’s pretty obvious the job isn’t results-driven.
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Tippett loves to shoot the puck. Among skaters with 1,000 minutes of ice time over the past two seasons, he ranks fifth in shot attempt rate: 23.00 per 60 minutes, just ahead of Auston Matthews (via Natural Stat Trick). However, Tippett’s goal- and point-scoring rates are the worst out of anyone in the top 10. It’s not particularly close, either.
Didn’t realize how many shots Tipp took but yea playing him on the 1st line and that 8 year contract is not great.
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Pretty much nobody is predicting the Flyers to be better in the standings this year than last year although NHL.com says if the goaltending and PP play great it’s a possibility. NHL.com saying that those 2 units, historically bad last year and no reason for optimism this year, could lead the way to the playoffs is laughable.
“The Flyers have one truly major piece (Matvei Michkov) and enough other players of interest to eliminate tanking as an option, and they’re well-positioned for the summer of 2026. Another high pick would serve them best, but there needs to be contingency plans in place if, as expected, another year in the mushy middle awaits.”
Another year of treading water and not picking in the top 5 is predicted. SSDD. Thank god the Flyers are so much smarter than the rest of the NHL.
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at what point does Dahlen and Thompson ask out of buffalo? hoe they want to still play there is mind boggling.
It would be criminal if Briere is not calling Adams everyday and think about a massive swing with a trade. Whatever it takes to get Dahlie, Thompson or even Power. I really do think it is possible to get Dahlin or Power. It will cost a lot, but do not over value the talent in this organization. I just believe it will be harder to pry Thompson out of those 3 players.
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at what point does Dahlen and Thompson ask out of buffalo? hoe they want to still play there is mind boggling.
It would be criminal if Briere is not calling Adams everyday and think about a massive swing with a trade. Whatever it takes to get Dahlie, Thompson or even Power. I really do think it is possible to get Dahlin or Power. It will cost a lot, but do not over value the talent in this organization. I just believe it will be harder to pry Thompson out of those 3 players.
dont think the flyers have what it takes to get dahlen or tage. tage has a NMC so he aint waving to come buffalo south. also do not think they have any interest in moving those 2 currently. maybe a new GM goes in a diff direction.
power can be had imo. flyers more likely acquire samuelson…..
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Looks close to right for now considering the Flyers are one of 11 teams competing for 3 available playoff spots with five playoff locks, CAR, FLA, TB, WSH and TOR in the conference. Probably about 27%. Keep hoping for the worst and then alibiing when it doesn’t happen.
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Looks close to right for now considering the Flyers are one of 11 teams competing for 3 available playoff spots with five playoff locks, CAR, FLA, TB, WSH and TOR in the conference. Probably about 27%. Keep hoping for the worst and then alibiing when it doesn’t happen.
no need to hope. it will happen all on its own.getting a response only 3 games in from you was very predictable.
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Looks close to right for now considering the Flyers are one of 11 teams competing for 3 available playoff spots with five playoff locks, CAR, FLA, TB, WSH and TOR in the conference. Probably about 27%. Keep hoping for the worst and then alibiing when it doesn’t happen.
The majority of experts think that, if anything, moneypuck is too optimistic in it’s team point totals. They understand that this is a deeply flawed team.
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The majority of experts think that, if anything, moneypuck is too optimistic in it’s team point totals. They understand that this is a deeply flawed team.
The experts? Perhaps thinking for yourself is worth a try.
is your prediction the flyers make the playoffs? yes or no?
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is your prediction the flyers make the playoffs? yes or no?
Too early to tell. Early signs are encouraging. BUF and NYI look like trash. I’d say, right now, they’re three of nine teams with a shot at the three available spots, so that’s approximately 33.3333333% chance.
lol. why not take a stance. my 8 as of today would be in no order.
tampa
florida
toronto
ottawa
montreal
canes
devils
capsthough at the end of the day 2 of those may miss. isle getting bad goaltending. will that change?
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lol. why not take a stance. my 8 as of today would be in no order.
tampa
florida
toronto
ottawa
montreal
canes
devils
capsthough at the end of the day 2 of those may miss. isle getting bad goaltending. will that change?
Those are the 8 teams that made it last year. That’s not much of a stance. Of the non-locks, I’d say NJ, then MTL then OTT have the best chances to get back in. OTT ran a crazy late season hot streak to make it last year. That will be tough to repeat so they can’t fall behind like they did in 24-25. Can the Flyers finish with more points than those 3 teams plus every other non-lock? They can.
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lol. why not take a stance. my 8 as of today would be in no order.
tampa
florida
toronto
ottawa
montreal
canes
devils
capsthough at the end of the day 2 of those may miss. isle getting bad goaltending. will that change?
Those are the 8 teams that made it last year. That’s not much of a stance. Of the non-locks, I’d say NJ, then MTL then OTT have the best chances to get back in. OTT ran a crazy late season hot streak to make it last year. That will be tough to repeat so they can’t fall behind like they did in 24-25. Can the Flyers finish with more points than those 3 teams plus every other non-lock? They can.
it is a stance. I provided a list. unlike you who wont. pick your 8
brick by brick. all those other teams can also finish with more points than the flyers no?
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Teams reportedly targeting Flyers’ Owen Tippett in trade talks
“The Philadelphia Flyers are still figuring out who is going to be on this roster when they are regularly contending for the playoffs again” – get back to me when this happens
““That’s another team going through the wringer a little bit but they went through the rebuild purposefully and so far it’s been working out for them,” – what exactly has worked out?
I trade him 100% before that no trade clause kicks in. He is one of the wonder twins boys and core player. Will believe it when I see it if he is moved. Andrae has no real trade value. if you can get a 5-7th rd pick you do it at this point as it is clear he has no future here unless management reverses their stance.
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From the article:
Why would the Flyers trade Owen Tippett?
While the entire package of Tippett is super exciting — a 6-foot-2 winger entering his prime that can skate as fast as anyone not named Connor McDavid in the NHL and has a wickedly powerful shot — the success has been dramatically inconsistent during his time in the Orange and BlackThat Tippet article was definitely a puff piece approved by Comcast. He’s a one-trick pony with one of the worst shooting percentages. in 2023 he was 11th in shots but only 56th in goals. Last year he dropped to 127th in goals. Historically he is an incredibly inefficient and indiscriminate shooter. When he limits his shots, like last year, and his goals drop you realize how badly you screwed up. He is 6’2″ though and you can’t teach that. Born to be a flyer.
The only thing keeping that contract from aging badly is the salary cap going up.
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From the article:
Why would the Flyers trade Owen Tippett?
While the entire package of Tippett is super exciting — a 6-foot-2 winger entering his prime that can skate as fast as anyone not named Connor McDavid in the NHL and has a wickedly powerful shot — the success has been dramatically inconsistent during his time in the Orange and BlackThat Tippet article was definitely a puff piece approved by Comcast. He’s a one-trick pony with one of the worst shooting percentages. in 2023 he was 11th in shots but only 56th in goals. Last year he dropped to 127th in goals. Historically he is an incredibly inefficient and indiscriminate shooter. When he limits his shots, like last year, and his goals drop you realize how badly you screwed up. He is 6’2″ though and you can’t teach that. Born to be a flyer.
The only thing keeping that contract from aging badly is the salary cap going up.
100%. went from core player to other teams now interested.
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just listen to the 1st minute. just shows how delusion of this franchise.
Sorry, could only make it through the first 30 seconds and didn’t hear the word rebuild once. In fact i think the first words were “the Flyers have been in that competitive mode the last 2 years”. At least someone is finally being honest. But yea they hit all the classics. Competitive, Hard to play against, old school, culture. All the buzzword bingo greatest hits. Can’t imagine the rest was much better.
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just listen to the 1st minute. just shows how delusion of this franchise.
Sorry, could only make it through the first 30 seconds and didn’t hear the word rebuild once. In fact i think the first words were “the Flyers have been in that competitive mode the last 2 years”. At least someone is finally being honest. But yea they hit all the classics. Competitive, Hard to play against, old school, culture. All the buzzword bingo greatest hits. Can’t imagine the rest was much better.
“hilf” is a tool.
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– anyone impressed with tocchet yet? another boring, bland, stale coaching choice.
– ex selke increasing his trade value. I kid flyers do not have any forth sight to move him or Tippet for that matter. core players for middling team going nowhere team.
– now that zegras is on the wing they have to many. MM-Martone-TK-MM -The Forest- Brink – Tippet. what will danny boy do? his head must be spinning. pretty obvious to many except the ones that make the decisions. can briere admit he made a mistake?
– laughtchenko zero shots on goal. pathetic. even worse if you go back and add in his preseason games. don’t see any good nhl qualities at all so far.
– we shall see if the coach rides vlader for a while.
– dvorak not offering much. showing every game he isnt a top 6 option at all.
– like russian #2. just seems to notice him on the ice. hope they let him work through the things he needs to work on.
– nothing really has changed.
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– anyone impressed with tocchet yet? another boring, bland, stale coaching choice.
– ex selke increasing his trade value. I kid flyers do not have any forth sight to move him or Tippet for that matter. core players for middling team going nowhere team.
– now that zegras is on the wing they have to many. MM-Martone-TK-MM -The Forest- Brink – Tippet. what will danny boy do? his head must be spinning. pretty obvious to many except the ones that make the decisions. can briere admit he made a mistake?
– laughtchenko zero shots on goal. pathetic. even worse if you go back and add in his preseason games. don’t see any good nhl qualities at all so far.
– we shall see if the coach rides vlader for a while.
– dvorak not offering much. showing every game he isnt a top 6 option at all.
– like russian #2. just seems to notice him on the ice. hope they let him work through the things he needs to work on.
– nothing really has changed.
Another win now hire, despite having mediocre (at best) talent. Tocchet will get them to the 7-12 pick range, and a season of great improvement will be celebrated.
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They are really trying to drum up interest for Tippet. Hopefully this hot streak will allow them to get out of that contract.
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One move I would look into next summer is talking to logan cooley about signing an offer sheet. You will have to overpay though in this case not an issue. The big caveat is if he wants out of Utah, he won’t sign an offer sheet as they could match. Also, he may not want to come to Philly. Maybe heads back to Pitt to play with Mckenna and Crosby…..
Leo Carlson and fantili are also 2 guys I speak with. This really looks like the only chance for a top end center. Yes, the chance is small. Though you have to do your due diligence. think outside the flyers bubble.
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