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with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
– Totally forgot about JD. Insert him take out whoever.with the forest looking like he won’t miss any time, how much of an effect does this have on bump or another prospect making the team. in no order:
tk – ex selke – mm
tippet – zegras – dvorak
forest – cates – brink
? – ? – GHjust don’t see Dvorak playing 4th line center. one hopes ND will not be playing though it won’t shock anyone. Would think Abols would have the inside track for the 4th line center pot. wonder if they invite any players on a PTO.
Defense is looking stellar
york – sanheim
seeler – Juulson ?
Andrae – Zamula
Gilbert?all quiet on the RR front not a peep.
It’s good you’re finally seeing the wisdom of keeping two of your nine best forwards in the Top 9, but flipping Cates to wing is the move as Dvorak is much better at the dot. That does leave 4C as an issue. It’s a spot that’s up for grabs. Any wing with decent size who matches Brink’s offense through camp supplants him. Bump seems to be the scuttlebutt front runner. Deslauriers plays. The Flyers are fine up front with upside not far down the road. Have you given up on Drysdale? I’m not optimistic but at least I have him penciled into the lineup.
Defense pairings right now are:
York – Sanheim
Seeler – Drysdale
??? – Zamula/Juulsen (until Ristolainen gets back)Possibilities are Andrae Gilbert, Bonk (unlikely out of camp).
BTW, for whatever reason, the ex-Selke thing pushes my buttons. Every Selke winner who is not the reigning winner (Barkov) is an ex-winner.
why such secrecy when it comes to RR on the flyers end?
Zamula can also play left side so won’t be shocked to see Zamula-Juulson pairing. Unless Juulson is total garbage he will get the benefit of the doubt from the coach in terms of starting in the top 6.
why cant they focus on what zegras can bring to the table and use his strengths? instead of focusing on his defense. this is where they end up just hurting players IMO.
kaplan has less than zero chance to even see time with the flyers this year. won’t be the least bit surprised if he is in the echl at some point. really liked that pick at the time.
– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
– Totally forgot about JD. Insert him take out whoever.The Flyers have a few forwards who aren’t exactly stellar defensively. Your lines each do have a two-way anchor out there, which is good. I like Cates a lot. He can handle the flip to wing with a couple of high scoring forwards who will bump up his scoring numbers, play 3rd man high. That will ease any pain he might suffer from being moved away from his “position.”
Brink might hang in and make the opening night lineup but he’s not long for a spot here.
ND is a decent player for his role. If Florida can dress Gadjovich for every game in the conference finals and finals, the Flyers should be able to dress ND early in the regular season without negative, disproven cliches about their strategy getting tossed about. If you want young forwards filling out the 4th line, Luchanko is really your only 4C option.
Martone, Luchanko, Berglund, Nesbitt, Barkey, Murtagh and a few others, that’s an acceptable near future, without having had the benefit of seeing them play in the NHL. I’ve had the benefit of seeing JD play in the NHL and it hasn’t been pretty. The D corps is rickety. That’s something we seem to agree on.
– Not sure who you are referring too when you say finally seeing the wisdom of keeping 2 of your nine best forwards in the top 9. That top nine has always been the most likely outcome and my prediction.
– Flipping Cates to wing would be dumb. You didn’t sign him for 4 years to be a winger; perfectly fine as the 3rd line center. Dvorak can still take faceoffs as a winger and has no long-term future with the flyers. Or does he?
– Your fascination with dumping brink is entertaining. Whoever “supplants” him will have to do much more than match him in camp.
– Playing ND would be typical flyers and hope it happens for pure entertainment value. He just kills 100% that 4th line. If they choose, which they will not, they could roll out a 4th with 2 younger guys and GH
– Up front is nothing but average at best. Not seeing how they are “fine”. Not much upside far down the road to me except martone.
– Totally forgot about JD. Insert him take out whoever.The Flyers have a few forwards who aren’t exactly stellar defensively. Your lines each do have a two-way anchor out there, which is good. I like Cates a lot. He can handle the flip to wing with a couple of high scoring forwards who will bump up his scoring numbers, play 3rd man high. That will ease any pain he might suffer from being moved away from his “position.”
Brink might hang in and make the opening night lineup but he’s not long for a spot here.
ND is a decent player for his role. If Florida can dress Gadjovich for every game in the conference finals and finals, the Flyers should be able to dress ND early in the regular season without negative, disproven cliches about their strategy getting tossed about. If you want young forwards filling out the 4th line, Luchanko is really your only 4C option.
Martone, Luchanko, Berglund, Nesbitt, Barkey, Murtagh and a few others, that’s an acceptable near future, without having had the benefit of seeing them play in the NHL. I’ve had the benefit of seeing JD play in the NHL and it hasn’t been pretty. The D corps is rickety. That’s something we seem to agree on.
brink is a stone-cold lock to be in the opening night lineup outside injury/trade. not even debatable.
no ND is not a decent player for his role. he hinders his linemates. he offers no value being in the lineup. you can try that dorwart kid unless he is flat out terrible for 4th line center. rather the jett not b ein the nhl this year. said before loan him out to Kimmo or Kapanens team in Europe!!!
outside of martone not much to really get excited about to me. couple solid depth pieces you hope. my own take is knuble and vansaghi will end up being solid bottom line depth guys.
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
D corp is really bad. with no help really on the way.
Bonk will help there down the road. They can add a plug and play Dman via trade or UFA. Now do you see why I was banging the drum for them to sign a Top 4 Dman via UFA? They’ll start with what they’ve got and we’ll see how it goes. JD is a -50 in 94 games as a Flyer. Yes, +/- can be a limited stat, but in his case it’s telling. No one else is close on the Flyers. Big advantage here: You only need 6-7 Dmen and I would say four of those slots are well filled when Risto is healthy.
Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
Bonk will help to what extent? 2nd pair? 3rd pair? Where they are at unless that top 4 dman can be part of the future in 3/4/5 years, signing one would be nothing but spinning their wheels. You should be using free agency to get you over the hump so to speak or address a small area. Trading for one means giving to get. Flyers may not want to give as they seem to love/overvalue their players.
They have nothing in the system who projects to be a top 4 guy outside of Bonk. That is a total disgrace. I have no faith in them developing anyone to play above their pay grade. What is the plan to address getting a top pair and another 2nd pair dman?
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
Bonk is consistently projected as a guy with a high floor. A top 4 guy at least. Let’s hope that pans out. The Flyers appear like they’re building a surplus up front. That makes a lot of sense since forwards develop quicker than Dmen. If it’s a trade for a solid Top 4 guy, player, prospect and pick, the Flyers are actually in range of doing that. UFA for the other since you think they need two, and again, I would tend to agree with that. York and Sanheim are the only sure long term bets in the Top 4, but that’s half your Top 4. That’s also clearly not going to happen this year. Yeah, the D prospect cupboard is slim. At least you aren’t deluding yourself into thinking Drysdale is an answer in the Top 4.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
Just think if bonk doesn’t pan out and ends up a 3rd pair guy. What prospect and player will get you that top 4 player in a trade? Then ask yourself if the flyers would give that up. It is very worrisome the cubbard is bear after being bad for so long.
Surplus up front with bottom of the lineup players is not the best way to build a “surplus”. Do the flyers ever just swing for the fences on a high end high risk player?
as far as JD, I have zero expectation at this point. will be interesting to see how much patience the coach has with him.Not every prospect, even a top one, pans out. Maybe injuries become a factor with one or two of them. The D wasn’t as big an issue last year as goaltending but one guy can fix your goaltending. You need a group. This year, it looks like it might be an issue again. At least a couple guys need to step up plus they need a pleasant surprise on D to keep that from happening again. A young forward prospect that can get close to a PPG in the AHL in a package with a pick would get you a solid return. Again, the two teams in the finals only had three original draft picks in their combined Top 6’s. Plug and play. Won’t happen by opening night though.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
The defense was a big issue last year. It isn’t very good and got off the hook so to speak because the goaltending was so bad. Part of the goaltending being bad was the defense. Who can step up on the D? York and JD maybe? The rest are what they are at thus point.
Ollie lysell was pretty much a ppg player. What about Samu? They won’t get you anything. Let’s say bump gets close to a ppg, you think they will include him in a trade package? The flyers “love” their guys and until they do, they refuse to move them. When was the last time a legit prospect was moved in a hockey trade?
Please stop with the 2 teams in the finals only had 3 draft picks nonsense. This is all the propaganda they flyers spew and want peeps like you to hang onto. Take a deeper dive into why that is the case and not a surface one. Won’t happen by opening night, wont happen for years if at all.
As a team, the Flyers were 8th in the league in fewest shots allowed. That’s the best team stat I can find on them from last year and it’s something they want to maintain. Quality chances are a different story, of course. I wouldn’t call Lycksell a young player. He’s 25 and has a few pro seasons here and in Sweden. He is what he is at this point plus he’s small. I’m talking about a player younger than that with at most a couple of pro seasons in that production range, guys who are doing that now and have upside. How the defense corps of top teams actually do get built is hardly nonsense. The Flyers do need more D prospects. Maybe Amico can be a depth guy for them, if he stays healthy. A couple other names get tossed around. They could prove to be adequate depth guys but with Sanheim, York and, soon enough, Bonk, have drafted their way to a decent group of Dmen.
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
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