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as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
as a team they were the 4th worst in the league.
Doesn’t matter where they ranked in that stat. that was not a good defensive group. Won’t be this year as well.
It is nonsense in how you go about looking at it on the surface. The flyers have shown no ability to get it done. Could, would, should, and if. The flyers mantra. How have they drafted their way to a decent group of dman? Most are years away if they even pan out.
As far as trading young guys, when was the last time a legit prospect was traded in a hockey trade to improve the team? They wont trade “their” guys unless they get very desperate. Which may very well happen at some point.
Bottom line was they were bad last year but it’s not last year anymore. The last several years, the Flyers haven’t had enough of a surplus to package one of their top prospects for a “needle mover” and they were clearly too bad to make such a deal anyway. Sbisa in the package that got them Pronger was the last time off the top of my head. It’s been a rebuild and they still have holes on the NHL roster. When they added Torts as coach, that was a sign to me to check out on following them at all. It was only last year I started looking again and didn’t like most of what I saw but saw enough I did like and liked their off season. Hopefully, they entertain this year.
Yes, it is not last year. They have done very little to improve upon that to me. Took a chance on a young player who has upside. That is it.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
Here is where we disagree. There really was never any rebuild. There is no valid argument to show otherwise.
I don’t want to be entertained. I want them to build a perennial contender. Which they are not doing. Finishing 8th worst in the league but being “entertaining” doesn’t cut it.
Sad thing is I am more entertained these days watching them lose and continue to spin on the hamster wheel. This is what they have turned me into!!!
Yes, it is not last year. They have done very little to improve upon that to me. Took a chance on a young player who has upside. That is it.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
Here is where we disagree. There really was never any rebuild. There is no valid argument to show otherwise.
I don’t want to be entertained. I want them to build a perennial contender. Which they are not doing. Finishing 8th worst in the league but being “entertaining” doesn’t cut it.
Sad thing is I am more entertained these days watching them lose and continue to spin on the hamster wheel. This is what they have turned me into!!!
Took a chance on which young player? They haven’t been in a position to put a package together for a “needle mover.” The proof that they’re doing a rebuild is the trade deadline deals they’ve made the last two seasons, dumping current talent for the future, or in the Frost/Farabee deals, opening up cap space and roster slots. Those two were literally given away. When was the last time the Flyers made a trade like that? The Flyers haven’t done any kind of rebuild since Homer in 06-07. No question, he got a lot knocked out with one deadline and one UFA season. The dominoes didn’t fall right for Briere to be able to do that. It will be a multiple season process and we’re going into Year 3. I see parallels to 06-07 though, that’s part of why I’m interested in watching how it pans out closely.
To have to go back that long to see an actual hockey trade involving a good young prospect is interesting.
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
I don’t see the Flyers as taking a chance on Zegras. Maybe health wise, but he’s a legit Top 6 forward who was very good the last two months of last season. The Walker trade at the 23-24 deadline fits. They drafted Nesbitt with that plus another pick. Frost has some value, not so sure about Farabee . . . but that was a rebuilding move too. How wasn’t it?
What young player? Really, zegras.
They have made one trade you can classify as a rebuilding move, that is the laughton trade.
Frost/farabee should have 100% been moved much earlier. When they had real value. That is a failure on the GM. As you said given away.
Just nothing but excuses for briere. What parallels do you see?
I don’t see the Flyers as taking a chance on Zegras. Maybe health wise, but he’s a legit Top 6 forward who was very good the last two months of last season. The Walker trade at the 23-24 deadline fits. They drafted Nesbitt with that plus another pick. Frost has some value, not so sure about Farabee . . . but that was a rebuilding move too. How wasn’t it?
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Zegras played up to his earlier standards the last couple months. Frost was never a 0.7-0.75 PPG and never will be. Zegras was playing up to that standard. He’s a clear upgrade over Frost and Dvorak is an upgrade over Poehling. The Flyers upgraded half their center position in one trade deadline and off season. How is that terrible and sign of inherent Flyers incompetence?
Back-to-back years of low production, no matter the reason, is taking a chance. Morgan Frost was very good the last 2 months of the flyers season. Who cares as means jack shit when next season starts.
They wanted to keep walker, why don’t you factor that into the equation. Jesus Christ. Mind boggling how peeps defend this team. Walker left them no choice but to be traded
Farabee had value in the 1st 3 months of the 23/24 season. The concept of selling high is something the flyers don’t seem to get. It is ok to say danny boy missed the boat. How were they rebuilding moves? Both those moves were driven by the coach/gm at the time. He wanted them gone. They didn’t trade them by design or some great master plan. Same with walker.
Zegras played up to his earlier standards the last couple months. Frost was never a 0.7-0.75 PPG and never will be. Zegras was playing up to that standard. He’s a clear upgrade over Frost and Dvorak is an upgrade over Poehling. The Flyers upgraded half their center position in one trade deadline and off season. How is that terrible and sign of inherent Flyers incompetence?
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
It’s a strong indicator of top form, out of camp, for Zegras who still has an upside. Health is the only concern. Your claim he isn’t an upgrade over Frost is laughable. The last two seasons, at his injury riddled worst, Zegras put up 88 games 47 points .534 ppg. Frost put up
152 games 78 points .513 ppg. They’re only committed to Dvorak’s overpayment for one year. He won a lottery ticket as a UFA and the Flyers may as well as have spent to the cap this year. I still regret they weren’t able to get a better, and yes, more expensive Dman than Noah Juulsen and maybe spent less on the slot they filled with Dvorak. He’ still an upgrade over Peohling.Again, who gives a shit about the last couple months. Means nothing. No he isn’t a clear upgrade over frost his last 2 seasons. Let that sink in.
Dvorak is a laughton replacement. Inconsequential. On a cost/point basis Dvorak isn’t an upgrade over Poehlig. Poehlig had a better ppg. Where is this clear upgrade?
It is not 100% both play center. I bet they both do not. acquiring those 2 proves the flyers are not incompetent. love flyers fans.
It’s a strong indicator of top form, out of camp, for Zegras who still has an upside. Health is the only concern. Your claim he isn’t an upgrade over Frost is laughable. The last two seasons, at his injury riddled worst, Zegras put up 88 games 47 points .534 ppg. Frost put up
152 games 78 points .513 ppg. They’re only committed to Dvorak’s overpayment for one year. He won a lottery ticket as a UFA and the Flyers may as well as have spent to the cap this year. I still regret they weren’t able to get a better, and yes, more expensive Dman than Noah Juulsen and maybe spent less on the slot they filled with Dvorak. He’ still an upgrade over Peohling.Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
Health is not the only concern. He has been used on the wing. Whether he can convert back to center and be effective is a concern. He must show he is an improvement at the center spot over frost. I am sure tocchet is playing the long game and no worries when it comes to zegras.
Zegras has a higher PPG ( as a winger) over frost. That is an improvement. Dvorak has a lower PPG than Poehlig that is also an improvement, makes sense. Talk about laughable.
Why should they have spent to the cap this season? What does it accomplish as they are gig nowhere fast. Would have been better to have that extra 5 million space to start the season. Being a bottom feeder with no cap space is a joke.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Frost is better on faceoffs. Frost has also had injury issues that checked his progress. Zegras generates a lot more offense. He’s proven it over multiple seasons. Poehling’s only double digit goal seasons were his last two here. Dvorak has seven, basically every full season he’s had in the league, excluding two where he played a combined 50 games. Poehling has never scored 15 or more goals in a season. Dvorak has done it four times. Why spend to the cap with short term deals, when you have about $7M in dead cap space coming back and the cap will go way up for 26-27? Why not?
While I see and understand your line of thinking regarding Trevor Zegras, when was the last time a reclamation project put it all together in Philly? If he plays most of the season, I’m guessing he’ll match Frost’s production numbers. Bigger question… how big of a liability will he be in his own end? We all know the Flyers philosophy is a 200 foot game, and if he can’t provide that, how long will the leash be?
And since you brought up the $7M in dead cap space coming back, what will that get the Flyers? Keeping in mind you’ll need to overpay to get a good player to come to a non-playoff team, and that a shade over $7M was only able to get Kevin Hayes a few years back, how much can the Flyers realistically improve via the FA market? The old Ed Snider way of spending your way to contention is no longer a feasible plan, and that many in the organization still think that way is a big reason why many of us are apathetic towards this team.
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
Zegras has proven it several years ago. Needs to get back to that. Can he? Can he do it playing center or wing? If he cant cut it at center how does that change things with the other wingers?
what Dvorak has done in the past does not matter. It is just that the past. Go off the recent season and the 1 before that as it is more relevant don’t you think? Of course you don’t. Dvorak had a solid season last year. Adding him to the flyers really does next to nothing; he is a guy a team close adds for depth. A case of once again the coach calling the shots instead of the GM.
Why not spend to the cap? Do you really need that answered? You’re like the flyers no long term thought process.
Zegras did get back to that late last season. Why does the past not matter for Dvorak, or even Zegras when he finished strong last year, but does for the Flyers? You seem to be cherry picking. Poehling was getting 3C ice time the last two seasons which obviously helped his scoring. I’m heartened to know you think winning faceoffs and being responsible in your own end is next to nothing. The long term thinking on the cap is dead space goes away, expiring contracts go away and the cap bumps next season. The Flyers will have plenty of cap space next summer. This is basic math stuff.
Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.
With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.
How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.
I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.
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