Home Forums Philadelphia Flyers Flyers Off Season Discussion:

Viewing 15 posts - 421 through 435 (of 616 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #21953
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.

    With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.

    How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.

    I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.

    Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.

    #22024
    yes its me 2050
    Participant

    Doesn’t matter as it has no bearing on the upcoming season. Just like if a player had a bad end of season. Not cherry picking anything.

    With or without Dvorak the flyers will end up in the same spot they end up. He is an insignificant add. He does nothing to move them up the standings. Replaces laughton more or less. Never said any such thing about faces offs or playing good D. You win by scoring more goals than the other team. Do you not? Don’t need every player to be good on D.

    How can you not think having an extra 5 million in cap space would be a very good thing for this season. Does that not give you several options as the season gets underway? Truly baffles me. How much cap pace will they really have? Factor in all the RFA. Yes, it is basic math which eludes you.

    I am sure they will have enough to lure Connor to Philly. He did after all fly on their jet.

    Oh come on. If a guy ends the season badly you want to definitely put that in the rear view mirror STAT. Tippett absolutely had a bad last two months and a bad first month. He doesn’t get trashed too much here, which is good. I think he needs a solid center and some time. He’s a lock for 20+ goals, he shoots the puck, has decent size and is fast. What are they going to get in season with $5M in space? You think the Flyers are awful but want them to stock up at the trade deadline? That makes no sense. The Flyers won’t be adding big in season. They don’t need the cap space and still have juggling options to add some space in a tight deal.

    How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.

    Having 5 million extra in cap space is > having Dvorak IMO. Can do many things with that money in season. I do not think the flyers are awful, they are awful. Makes perfect sense if you think forward.

    #22043
    Bill Meltzer
    Keymaster
    #22507
    yes its me 2050
    Participant

    who is the flyers frank nazar?

    #22516
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    How tippet finished will have no bearing on how he starts or what not. Tippet is just another player to me. Neither like nor dislike. Low hockey IQ to me. Not one you give an 8-year deal to at all.

    Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.

    #22518
    Flyers_01
    Participant

    Tippett owes his agent a beer. They traded his long time center at the start of February. He’s a lock for 20+ goals. Tippett is far down the list of issues this season.

    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    #22533
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

    #22537
    yes its me 2050
    Participant

    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

    perennial 40 goal scorer

    #22541
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    perennial 40 goal scorer

    He needs a center. Could be Zegras. I’d like to see them use Cates on wing but I can see Tippett as a huge upgrade over Brink on a line with Cates and Foerster.

    #22549
    Flyers_01
    Participant

    6.25 mill/yr for the next 8 years and 4 years of NTC is definitely a problem if his ceiling is a 20 goal scorer. The problem isn’t the player, it’s the contract.

    If Tippett can put up roughly the same type of numbers Hartnell did when he was here, that contract will be OK. Three seasons in, Tippett is a little ahead of Hartnell’s pace. Tippett will score closer to 30 than 20 this year.

    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    #22557
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    #22562
    yes its me 2050
    Participant

    I take it you aren’t discounting arguments by saying they are “hypothetical” any more because that’s just wishful thinking.

    Also, Hartnell averaged 22 goals over his 7 year flyers career and was signed under yet another Flyers special contract which was considered particularly bad and was moved just 1 year into it’s 6 year term and subsequently had the last 2 years bought out. He had 2 good years out of 7, people forget the other 5.

    So if you want to say he’s the next Hartnell, you might not be far off. Tippett’s already had 1 of 2 good years out of 7.

    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    do you consider tippet a core player?

    #22567
    Flyers_01
    Participant

    Well, we don’t know what the next 4 years will bring for Tippett. The Hartnell comp is reasonable, because he did get great contracts here and his production did slack in spots. He took some heat for that too. He also had 2 30 goal and 5 20 goal seasons, was good in the 08 playoffs and great in 2010. You know, back in the days the Flyers usually made the playoffs and won rounds. Tippett is one of the least of my Flyers concerns.

    Holmgren was the GM for the first few years of the salary cap era. He absolutely did not understand the salary cap and only retired after he traded away every asset and hamstrung the Flyers financially for the next 5 years but yea, they did win a few rounds pretending the salary cap didn’t exist. He was the college kid throwing a party at his parents house but all everyone remembers is the party and not the mess left behind.

    https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts

    Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Flyers_01.
    #22575
    FlyerFrank
    Participant

    do you consider tippet a core player?

    I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.

    #22577
    yes its me 2050
    Participant

    do you consider tippet a core player?

    I consider Tippett a lock to score 20+ goals this season and he’s not going anywhere for a while. He, like a few Flyers wingers, need to keep the minus numbers to a minimum. Get him a center to replace his old buddy Frost and he’ll be fine.

    didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?

Viewing 15 posts - 421 through 435 (of 616 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Scroll to Top