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  • #22579
    FlyerFrank
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    https://hockeconomics.substack.com/p/philadelphia-flyers-20-worst-contracts

    Edit : damn, they list the Briere contract as one of the worst in Flyers history. Go Holmgren!

    “The Flyers made the winning bid with $52M ($71.4M adjusted for cap inflation, and their costly new asset depreciated right out of the gate, with Danny dropping down to 72 PTS in 79 GP in year one; not exactly terrible, but a disturbing cost to benefit ratio nevertheless.”

    The guy who wrote this is an idiot. In the 08 playoffs alone, DB had 16 pts in 17 games and in all Flyers playoff games, he had 72 pts in 68 games.

    #22580
    FlyerFrank
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    didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?

    It’s a pointless question built around vague terms and subjective opinion.

    #22581
    yes its me 2050
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    didnt think it was a difficult question. yes or no?

    It’s a pointless question built around vague terms and subjective opinion.

    do you see him as a core player? odd not to answer.

    #22584
    FlyerFrank
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    do you see him as a core player? odd not to answer.

    He’s not only a core player, he’s a needle mover! Happy now?

    #22670
    Bill Meltzer
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    #22677
    yes its me 2050
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    Danny Briere’s offseason as the rebuild rolls on – good lord.

    “In terms of hockey beliefs, Tocchet is not that far removed from Tortorella.” – cant see that being a good thing

    #22680
    yes its me 2050
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    not a bad listen.

    – lots of tocchet felating. wash rinse repeat as many of the same thigns were said about torts and AV

    – what would be considered a success for failure for tocchet this season.

    – talking about vladar upside lol. how he could have gone back to calgary. always leave out the 6 million part calgary didn’t offer. really laying it on thick.

    – charlie spot on saying Erson cant handle a heavy workload.

    #22681
    Flyers_01
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    The coach-player relationship between Tippett and the fickle, irascible Tortorella took a downturn over the course of Tortorella’s final calendar year behind the Philadelphia bench. This was true of many Flyers players, not just Tippett. Few players were sorry to see “Torts” go.

    Many media members defended Torts player interactions/relationships. York says hi. Over the years there were many discussions on whether players would or did avoid Philly because of Torts and we were assured that it was all overblown, the Players loved Torts. Torts was great! Since Torts declared he didn’t want to be responsible anymore for a poopy roster which he was main force in shaping, the media is like a jilted girl’s best friend telling her all the things she kept quiet about her ex so as not to offend her friend.

    Torts was a disaster as a coach/triumvirate GM but he had Comcast shielding him before.

    Entering the 2024-25 season, there were high hopes that Tippett could attain his first 30-plus goal season in the National Hockey League. He had job security, starting a new eight-year contract ($6.2 million average annual value). He turned 26 on February 16, and seemed primed for a career-best season.

    Tortorella was sometimes to blame for this himself by sending mixed messages: “safe is death” and “I want my offensive players to be aggressive up the ice” until they made an ill-timed turnover or a bad puck support read that ended up in the Philadelphia net.

    Mike Keenan needed the late EJ McGuire to “clean the blood off the walls” (McGuire’s own description), and Tortorella had Shaw do it. Tocchet will say what he feels he needs to be said to a player. However, he won’t do it in front of teammates and he won’t tell the media that today’s players are “young and dumb”.

    Tip is a one trick pony who needs the perfect situation to do well. He is a limited hockey player and may have already reached his ceiling, if so that contract was premature. Maybe DB should stop handing out 8 year contracts to limited players on a team that is years from contention. Not saying they shouldn’t have resigned Tip but much like Fletch, gave the player Term, Money, and clause.

    Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years? It must feel like you are finally free.

    In your opinion are the Flyers hard to play against? Torts thought he built a hard to play against team. What is your definition for that cliche?

    #22685
    FlyerFrank
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    Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years?

    Somebody get this guy a calendar. Torts was fired six months ago and the Flyers have upgraded their coaching since.

    #22691
    yes its me 2050
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    Also as mentioned, Torts coaching was such a blessing. How can the Flyers hope to improve on that after the media ate it all up for 3 years?

    Somebody get this guy a calendar. Torts was fired six months ago and the Flyers have upgraded their coaching since.

    tocchet has such a stellar career coaching record. pure winner

    #22692
    FlyerFrank
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    tocchet has such a stellar career coaching record. pure winner

    He’s got two Cup rings as an assistant coach and won the Adams in 2024 as a head coach. Try again or would you rather have Torts back?

    #22700
    yes its me 2050
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    tocchet has such a stellar career coaching record. pure winner

    He’s got two Cup rings as an assistant coach and won the Adams in 2024 as a head coach. Try again or would you rather have Torts back?

    wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.

    what is his career coaching record as a head coach?

    #22703
    FlyerFrank
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    wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.

    what is his career coaching record as a head coach?

    So of you’d prefer Torts, why not just say it?

    How is Tocchet’s HC record terrible? He’s gotten better results as his opportunities got better.

    2 yrs TBL NHL 148 53 69 26 132 .446
    4 yrs ARI NHL 290 125 131 34 284 .490 9 4 5 .444
    3 yrs VAN NHL 200 108 65 27 243 .608 13 7 6 .538
    Career 638 286 265 87 659 .516 22 11 11 .500

    #22704
    yes its me 2050
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    wow 2 cups as an assistant. that is top notch stuff. torts has one as a head coach. coach of the year. impressive. bill barber was COY at on epoint.

    what is his career coaching record as a head coach?

    So of you’d prefer Torts, why not just say it?

    How is Tocchet’s HC record terrible? He’s gotten better results as his opportunities got better.

    2 yrs TBL NHL 148 53 69 26 132 .446
    4 yrs ARI NHL 290 125 131 34 284 .490 9 4 5 .444
    3 yrs VAN NHL 200 108 65 27 243 .608 13 7 6 .538
    Career 638 286 265 87 659 .516 22 11 11 .500

    I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.

    He has a losing coaching record does he not?

    Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations

    #22707
    FlyerFrank
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    I do not prfer either. Torts was a terrible hire. They both are extremely underwhelming. Rather kept Shaw for a 2 year stop gap.

    He has a losing coaching record does he not?

    Wonder why no top end teams have ever hired tocchet. He offers next to nothing. Coaches loser teams from loser organizations

    He had a .608 win percentage in Vancouver. He actually got Phoenix to the playoffs. I know that doesn’t satisfy your lofty standards.

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