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On another note, was thinking about this, lets say we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick, I would consider trading back a few picks. Belchetz looked like a stud before the clavicle injury, to unite him (6’5, 225) and his teammate Greentree (6’3, 215) on the Rangers could be real interesting.
This is where I disagree with you. You cant go out an announce you are trading a player, hold him out of the line up and not trade him. Drury did this before and it back fired. It affects the player and it could possibly affect the room, the room is still probably toxic and he is just encourages more toxicity.
Second off, either Drury is over valuing Trocheck or other GMs think they can fleece him, which is bad on both fronts. If other teams think Drury is an idiot, which Im sure most do, then there are other player and options out there, Trocheck isnt the only player that has to be traded. If Drury thinks Trocheck is worth more then thats a bigger problem because he will never get traded.
As for stock piling picks, who cares about 3rd to 7th rounders. The chances of them making an impact are less that 20 or so percent. You need 1st and second rounders and you need to develop them, which the Rangers cant.
Dude, you know how I feel about the developmental side of things. Ive been driving that wagon to fire Ortmeyer and Glass for years.
As far as Trocheck goes, I think hes a gamer, I dont think this will affect him. His kids will be so excited that hes staying in NY for now that I think this will be just fine. I put this in my previous post but it was more of a response to you.
Was Drury over valuing Trocheck? Schenn is older and not as good as Trocheck at this point and got a 1st, 3rd, Drouin (who is a cap dump, is ass and always injured), and an unsigned prospect. Youre telling me that Trocheck isnt worth a 1st and Yurov? Lets look at Kadri… 1st, 2nd, Olofsson (zero valuAe addon, just for cap purposes), a prospect (Curran, unsigned good year in WHL but that doesnt mean much), 20% retained on remaining contract. Again, nothing major in this trade. Would you have taken that package from Avs, sans the retention? I dont think Drury was overvaluing Trocheck, I just think he didnt want a whole bunch of quantity/projects added on to the 1st rd pick.
Aecliptic. I don’t disagree about not trading him if the right deal wasn’t in place. But you don’t go announce to the league you’re going to trade him, hold him out of the lineup, and then not trade him. You don’t send a letter out saying you’re retooling, and your retool consists of (3) 3rd round picks, (1) 6th round pick and a prospect.
I’m opposed to trading Schneider, and don’t like we traded Othmann. He trades for these bums, Borgen, Uro, Parsenin etc, his value of players is then worst in the league. He needs to be gone. Based on how he values players, he probably had a home run package and turned it down bc of how he views players based on past trades. Blais, Brisson, the list goes on and on.
This is where the last part of my post hits on the fact that sending the letter was a massive blunder, and I said it 2 years ago when all the Trouba stuff started going public. Then you got the stuff with Goodrow. Then you got the media harassing Mika if he’d waive his NMC. Now we have the letter, Panarin and Trocheck. His first year as GM, he was so tight lipped and actually made a couple good moves and we got into the ECF. However, I think this quick success went to his head cause hes become a real idiot with how hes conducting himself.
Despite all that, Im not mad at how the deadline went. As far as Trocheck goes, I think hes a gamer, I dont think this will affect him. His kids will be so excited that hes staying in NY for now that I think this will be just fine.
I think Drury thinks he can do better in the off-season. The way thinks are looking on the west coast is very very interesting. Its looking pretty much a lock that the Wild and Stars will play each other in the first round. Both teams have players of interest for the Rangers. Stars get bumped in the first round, questions start circling around Robo. Wild get booted in the first round, questions start circling if theyll ever be good enough to be anything more than an early exit playoff team and that will affect Hughes decision to stay or go. Dorofeyev is a RFA, with how cap strapped Vegas always is, he might be available. The East is wide open I feel, and if Carolina cant make it to the ECF then they need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Wings and Sabres will find out where they stand on a playoff level.
Thats how I feel about it, and I dont think it will affect Trocheck’s value. Trocheck is still under contract for 3 more years after this on one of the sexiest AAV’s for what he can provide.
Schneider, I think the fans blew that up far more than anything. I dont think Drury made any serious indication that he would trade him, I think Fans just assumed he would be part of the retool because he might fetch something significant. He might have been listening to offers, but unless it was significant he had no intention of moving him.
Which is the route Drury should have taken in general instead of sending that dumb letter. “I like the core of players we have, I think its a solid foundation to build on next year, of course if someone calls with an offer to blow me away Id listen. Despite the rough year, we’ve dealt with significant injuries to key players that have attributed to that. I whole heartedly believe we are better than the standings show.” Should have been the most ambiguous response ever.
Generally speaking now, as far as Raddysh, whats the point in trading a proven depth player for a 4th rounder? Doesnt do anything for us. Same goes for Brodz and Vaak, etc…
Aecliptic. I don’t disagree about not trading him if the right deal wasn’t in place. But you don’t go announce to the league you’re going to trade him, hold him out of the lineup, and then not trade him. You don’t send a letter out saying you’re retooling, and your retool consists of (3) 3rd round picks, (1) 6th round pick and a prospect.
I’m opposed to trading Schneider, and don’t like we traded Othmann. He trades for these bums, Borgen, Uro, Parsenin etc, his value of players is then worst in the league. He needs to be gone. Based on how he values players, he probably had a home run package and turned it down bc of how he views players based on past trades. Blais, Brisson, the list goes on and on.
This is where I disagree with you. You cant go out an announce you are trading a player, hold him out of the line up and not trade him. Drury did this before and it back fired. It affects the player and it could possibly affect the room, the room is still probably toxic and he is just encourages more toxicity.
Second off, either Drury is over valuing Trocheck or other GMs think they can fleece him, which is bad on both fronts. If other teams think Drury is an idiot, which Im sure most do, then there are other player and options out there, Trocheck isnt the only player that has to be traded. If Drury thinks Trocheck is worth more then thats a bigger problem because he will never get traded.
As for stock piling picks, who cares about 3rd to 7th rounders. The chances of them making an impact are less that 20 or so percent. You need 1st and second rounders and you need to develop them, which the Rangers cant.
I found this draft player playing percentage stats which is what Im talking about.
1st ROUND PICKS [1267 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 1131 (89.30%) 0 GAME : 136 (10.70%)
100+ GAMES : 872 (68.80%) < 100 : 395 (31.20%)
500+ GAMES : 524 (41.40%) < 500 : 743 (58.60%)2nd ROUND PICKS [1317 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 887 (67.40%) 0 GAME : 430 (32.60%)
100+ GAMES : 503 (38.20%) < 100 : 814 (61.80%)
500+ GAMES : 219 (16.60%) < 500 : 1098 (83.40%)3rd ROUND PICKS [1286 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 662 (51.50%) 0 GAME : 624 (48.50%)
100+ GAMES : 362 (28.10%) < 100 : 924 (71.90%)
500+ GAMES : 129 (10.00%) < 500 : 1098 (90.00%)4th ROUND PICKS [1291 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 528 (40.90%) 0 GAME : 763 (59.10%)
100+ GAMES : 274 (21.20%) < 100 : 1017 (78.80%)
500+ GAMES : 105 (8.10%) < 500 : 1186 (91.90%)5th ROUND PICKS [1305 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 431 (33.00%) 0 GAME : 874 (67.00%)
100+ GAMES : 194 (14.90%) < 100 : 1111 (85.10%)
500+ GAMES : 63 (4.80%) < 500 : 1242 (95.20%)6th-7th ROUND PICKS [2528 players]
MIN. 1 GAME : 697 (27.60%) 0 GAME : 1832 (72.40%)
100+ GAMES : 330 (13.00%) < 100 : 2199 (87.00%)
500+ GAMES : 128 (5.10%) < 500 : 2401 (94.90%)I understand that people are mad about the Trocheck situation, but personally, Im not bothered by it. Would ya’ll would have been happy with a mediocre return as long as a 1st was attached to it? Nope. You guys would have complained about the return regardless of what it was. The way I see it, Drury was not going to trade Trocheck unless a legit player was coming back to NY… ie Yurov, Kasper, Nikishin (maybe Nadeau), Lohrei/Poitras… but no one was willing to part with them.
My theory on the Carrick situation is two fold. Drury knew Guerin wanted Trocheck, but also wanted a depth C. So he tried to use Carrick to leverage Guerin to trade Yurov, he didnt want the additional 2nd in 2028 and still get a mediocre return for Trocheck. So Guerin traded for McCarron and said hey, we dont need Carrick anymore, deal is still as it stands.
People say Trochecks value is at its highest now, but apparently no one was willing to pony up. However, I dont think Trocheck’s value will take much of a hit. Matter of fact, he still becomes a useful trade piece for us in the offseason if lets say we try to pull the rights to Robo or Dorofeyev. People are getting way too dramatic about this.
The Carrick trade on its own, I think Drury was given a choice of either a 2nd round pick in 2029 or a 3rd round pick in 2026, and with the depth this draft is supposed to have, he wanted the pick now.
As far as Schneider goes, what are we going to get in return for Schneider that would be better for us next year? We retain his rights and could potentially trade him at the draft.
What I got from this, Drury isnt interested in getting prospects and potential. He wants young players he can plug in immediately. Im not mad about it.
Was the letter necessary? Absolutely not. That was a huge fumble. However Im only looking at this from a phone booth sized sample of just this last month. Doesnt change my opinion on everything else.
People need to chill out though, I dont think this deadline was as bad as people make it out to be.
Othmann for Jacob Battaglia LW/C 43 pts in 58 for Windsor
64th pick in 24 draft. Have a strange feeling this won’t speed up the “ retool” but hey who knows? 🙂
