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Zeev Buium: Needle Moving Defenseman!
Bump – Couturier – Konecny
Dvorak – Zegras – Michkov
Tippett – Luchanko – Grebenkin
Gaucher – Abols – HathawayYork – Sanheim
Ginning – Drysdale
Seeler – GransGinning getting that look. Still giving Grans another shot. This is likely pretty close to an opening night lineup.
I think i see the root of our difference of opinion. Being that the team is “rebuilding” my point of view is the team should do what is best for the players in the long term so that down the road they can help the team to the best of their abilities. It sounds like your view is decidedly short term, as in the current year and not beyond. Jett may indeed be a warm body to fill a bottom lower roster spot in this case but in the longer view i still think that isn’t a wise decision by the team if that’s the only reason they keep him.
I would also remind you that they kept him last year and he crashed and burned. Doesn’t mean they won’t do it again.
You also aren’t factoring in they don’t like the situation in Guelph. Not sure how heavily they weigh that. If Jett was going back to London, this would be an entirely different situation.
Do you feel he’s already made the team and that it’s in his best interest in terms of development that he be in the NHL? for pure entertainment purposes hope the jett is the 4th line center. then can watch him develop his offensive chops. maybe the next ryan poehlig
there is zero need to carry 14/15 forwards.
This is what so many aren’t getting. Jett’s best interest in terms of development is not the priority. The priority is the team. Who are the best players available to fill the roster spots? They aren’t going to put him in a position where he literally crashes and burns. Abols surprise step up has complicated things in a good way. They can’t carry 15 forwards, but 14 is not unreasonable.
The D is the problem anyway, even after Risto returns. We’ll see about the goaltending. Was surprised they only gave Vladar one period last night after working Kolosov in 40 minutes in two games already.
Luchanko’s speed flashed a few times and he played solid defensively and on the penalty kill.
So what’s the problem? Where’s the giant issue? IF Jett makes the team it’s as a 4th liner. How much scoring do you expect from your 4th line? I think the Flyers are also looking to carry 14 forwards. There are realistically only 15 guys in the mix.
HATHAWAY COUTURIER KONECNY DVORAK ZEGRAS MICHKOV FOERSTER CATES TIPPETT-Absolute locks
BRINK DESLAURIERS ABOLS-Highly probable
GREBENKIN BUMP LUCHANKO-66% chance for each of these three if they carry 14 Fs.The vets were outplayed pretty thoroughly in MTL and last night. Make of that what you will.
Grans is not a solution on the RD. They’ll go with the 6-7 best Dmen they’ve got but it’s going to be dicey for the time Risto remains out. Ginning looks decent out there, +1 in two games, didn’t see any major gaffes. Keep an eye on him.
Abols pretty well has a spot on the roster. An incredibly pleasant and necessary surprise.
Nesbitt did have a bad game last night but NBD. He was always going back to Windsor. He’s going to be a very good NHL regular in 2-3 years.
Still have 4 games to read and react to. Jobs still open up front and on D. I can absolutely see the Flyers going with the 23 man roster.
One could hold out hope for the goals scored, but I think there would need to be some sort of divine intervention for the team, as constructed right now, to give up 24 fewer goals.
Assuming 2400 shots against, which is actually about 200 more than they gave up last year, 1 percent improvement in save percentage gets you 24 fewer goals against. They can’t do any worse than they did last year on save percentage. Slightly better system and play in front of the goalies, slightly better goalies adds up over the course of a season. Same with the offense. Two more goals per Top 12 forward does it. Actually, I expect a 7-8 bounce back from Tippett and Zegras will score 7-8 more goals that who he is replacing, so that’s roughly 15 of the 24 more goals right there.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/stats/team/_/view/goaltending/table/defensive/sort/savePct/dir/desc
– I will ask you again who the lots of players are they are looking at for the 4th line center spot.
– The GM doesn’t understand the concept of selling high. he missed that lesson at his wharton online tutorial.
– Is the jett a center or winger? Where are the flyers grooming him to play
Never said 4C, per se. They’re guys getting the shifts at center. Couturier, Zegras, Dvorak, Cates, Nesbitt, Luchanko, Gard, Gaucher, Richard, Barkey are listed as centers plus Abols. Half of these guys aren’t in the mix for a roster spot. Jett was getting his shifts at center last night.
– Who are the lots of guys they need to look at for this season as a 4th line center
– Doesn’t matter how long he will be around. Has nothing to do with you saying he isn’t a lock to be in the top 12 this season; of which he is 100%. His production will dictate his future.
– No jett hate at all. He is a center not a winger. Don’t think he should be in the nhl at this time. His lack of offense is worrisome. Hasn’t shown anything offensively that he belongs. Didn’t dominate juniors either.
– Canes > flyers. Have been for over how many years now. Not gonna change anytime soon. Those small speedy wingers are why they cant get over the hump. They need to follow the flyers blueprint. I bet if they offered a 1st for GH flyers would decline.
Check the training camp roster. Nine or 10 guys total including the 4 roster locks.
Hahaha! If Brink is not here at all, he can’t take up a roster spot . . . or can he? Trade now! His value is the highest it will ever be.
Jett’s played one PS game so far. He created some chances, his speed is noticeable and he’s not small. The situation in Guelph is a complicating factor. The team is apparently a catastrophe on-ice and off. The Flyers would be sending him back to that, not some idyllic haven for hockey development. He’s still getting the 8 game look.
That is not the best lineup. Now all of sudden you’re an abols guy. Too funny.
Him getting traded is irrelevant. Bump, the Russian, the jett, abols, or any other rookie is not taking brinks place in the lineup come opening night.
Who said abols being “versatile” is a problem. Why are they not using him as a center currently if they have any intentions of using him there at the NHL level. Would really love to hear your professional opinion.
Still holding their potential juniors? Meaning what? It is common procedure to let those types soak up the atmosphere. Have the even had any cuts yet?
Where did I say not to keep the jett around until the end. Never even implied it in any way.
Not sure what your fascination is with Carolina.
I’m not allowed to be unsold on a player and then adjust when I see him play at a higher level? They have lots of guys to look at in the middle. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
How much longer do you seriously think Brink will be around?
I still think Jett will get the 8 game look at season’s start. You like speedy players, so why the Jett hate? Oh I forgot, he’s a Flyer.
I love watching the Canes play. They’re stacked with small, speedy, skilled needle movers.
– Never said they wouldn’t. in fact, I have said repeatedly. Dvorak will end up on the wing. Best lineup has both as centers which would allow you to play bump and the Russian.
– Again, abols has been used as a winger. If they see him as a nhl center then it is very odd to not use him as such in the preseason don’t you think.
– The jett to me has no business being in the nhl currently. Send him back as he has plenty to work on.
– Brink 100% has a locked-up spot. Foolish to think otherwise. His and ND situation are not similar to any extent. ND stinks. He has no business playing in either the nhl/ahl. He offers nothing that helps your team win. The % are higher he helps you lose. I will be shocked if they waive ND. Do that and have abols as your 13th forward. Need that “fear” factor ND brings.
They can play Bump and Grebenkin with Cates or Dvorak on the wing.
GREBENKIN COUTURIER MICHKOV
DVORAK ZEGRAS KONECNY
FOERSTER CATES TIPPETT
BUMP ABOLS HATHAWAYAbols is reasonably versatile. How is that a problem?
They’re still holding their potential juniors: Nesbitt, Gill, Luchanko. If Luchanko has so much to work on, why not keep him here and give him some idea of what he needs to upgrade?
I fully support trading Brink to Carolina so you can go root for them. It’s over here for him, just a matter of when. Get something for him while he still has value. That .5 PPG last year was a mirage. Cates and Foerster carried that line. Get Tippett on their RW.
they only have 2 spots open. assuming nd is the 13th forward; which one shouldn’t assume.
unless they move cates or dvorak to the wing that would leave 2 wing spots open. That would exclude the jett.
If one of those 2 is moved, then clearly the 4th line center spot is up for grabs. Abols has been used on the wing in both games. Tells me they probably don’t see him as an option for 4th line center. if they do then odd not to play at center.
never know what will fall on the waiver wire either.
still pushing that brink doesn’t have a spot locked up. good stuff.
What makes you so sure they won’t use either Cates or Dvorak on the wing in season? If Tocchet wants the best possible talent in his Top 9, that’s the way to do it. Cates and Dvorak both are too good to be 4th liners. Abols can win draws. He’s exceeded my expectations so far and that does make a Luchanko decision more interesting. Brink doesn’t have a Top 12 roster spot locked. His situation, along with Deslauriers to an extent, are similar. All other things being close to equal, you go with the bigger guy. Based on last night, Deslauriers isn’t close to equal. He’s a designated fighter. We’ll see how much Tocchet values that. His fight woke the team up a bit last night. I can also see Brink and Deslauriers as 13th and 14th forwards on this team.
