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The likeliest scenario is that Tocchet will do a lot of experimentation in training camp and early in the regular season. Zegras may primarily play center but he may also periodically take shifts on wing. Ditto Cates for different reasons.
Zegras gets every shot at center. Cates could fill the Jochen Hecht/Ville Leino role on left wing the way those guys did for Briere when he was creating offense down near the goal line. Third man stays high. That’s Cates. Getting to suddenly play on a line with guys like Zegras and Michkov and jack his own scoring numbers will ease any pain. Cates and Dvorak are both too good to not be Top 9 guys on this team.
Maybe they use him on wing and take face offs
Dvorak- Zegras- mmHahahaha! Exactly! Seriously though, there will be instances of Couturier and Dvorak both being on the ice for defensive zone draws late in games where the Flyers are up. I think the better Dvorak plays, the more likely he’ll be traded if the Flyers fall out of any race by the deadline. That’s all speculation now. We need to think about more pressing matters like who claims Brink when the Flyers waive him.
Cap space matters but I can see the Flyers getting a 3rd round pick for Dvorak at the deadline if they don’t eat any cap for the rest of the season, maybe a conditional 2nd from a bona fide contender (AKA a late second-rounder) that is willing to overpay to take a run at the Cup. Big centers who can score a few goals in the playoffs and also kill penalties tend to draw overpayments as rentals.
Exactly. Maybe a 2nd if he has a good year. He does the kinds of things that help teams win. I did think adding Dvorak to solve this need was a bit of overkill compared to the underwhelming adds in goal and on D. I’m curious how it will fit together and am looking forward to the season.
Dvorak is a meaningless add to me. Doesn’t do anything to move the team forward. Wasn’t needed.
Cap space does matter. Limits what you can do all year. Maybe a player falls out of favor or vice versa. Can use it to be a middle man. Never know when a deal may pop up. Someone unexpected goes on waivers. Limits what you can do at the deadline
They still have wiggle room with the cap. They can waive guys on minimum+ deals and replace them with minimum contract guys. It’s not a lot but there’s some flexibility. Not sure what impact player is going to fall into anybody’s lap this year and the Flyers won’t be buyers at the deadline. Dvorak does fill a need, expensively and short term sure, but he fills it. Was I disappointed with the goalie and defense need fills? Sure, but how much turnover can any team really do in one off season? Maybe a third of the team, 6 or 7 guys, tops? The Flyers might have four. Let’s see what happens but it’s still three months off.
– The only major addition is Zegras. Is the master plan they will hit a grand slam in 2026 free agency?
– Completely capped out. No playoffs for 5 years. Will be 6.
– Would have been better to not sign Dvorak and keep the extra space.
– York ext was good on flyers end. Though can’t see them being contenders within that 5 year window.
– Wonder what kind of extension they will end up giving Zegras and when. I ride it all year as do not see any hurry to go down that road.
Dvorak, on paper, looks like a good add. Enough offense and he can win face offs. He could be a 3rd line center if Cates flips to left wing. Hahahaha! Yes, the one year deal is inflated. They might have been able to get roughly the same for a lot less but Tocchet likes him. For a year, I’m OK with it. It doesn’t matter they’re up against the cap because they have $6-7M in dead space going away next year, which more than covers any Zegras increase and gives them $5.75M plus any cap increase for next year to add more UFAs. Clearly, a big part of any current plan is more comprehensive coaching and development. That isn’t counted against the cap. I still think they needed a big addition on D, but it didn’t happen. We’ll see how it goes.
Absolutely no one… was simply responding to another poster still dreaming of a top-4 defenseman, which apparently you didn’t notice.
If you listen to Tocchet, Todd Rierden is going to turn them all into Top 4 Dmen.
Danny shot his wad… no more money to spend. In fact, was reading earlier that they’re now over the cap (though they can put Ellis on LTIR, something they’ve not done the past couple of seasons).
Can’t complain too much since Danny weaponized the cap space to help the rebuild
Ellis to LTIR is almost as big a Flyers tradition as the Wives Fight For Live carnival. The dead cap space goes away next season. It’s a ridiculous number but Briere got picks for Laughton. The team pretty much is what it is for the season’s start which is still three months away. I’m hoping for an entertaining season.
The number on this deal is so good, I’m even more disappointed the Flyers didn’t get a bona fide Top 4 Dman on UFA day.
I think the key here is the two years. Lyon also got two years and apparently wanted to come back.
I’ve seen a bit more of Lyon with him playing in the east. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Vladar play a game although some folks did talk him up as an option. Neither were in my top 3-4 choices. The lack of games per year looks like a sticking point. The guys I liked better have more more games in a season. I think the Flyers may need a guy who can go 50 games or more depending on Ersson.
Dvorak played pretty well for Tocchet in AZ so you know where that tip came from. Seems to put up enough offense to be a 3rd line center rather than a 4th. He’s great on faceoffs which is a need. This spot was well filled. Say hello to your new left wing: Noah Cates. Hahaahahha!
Juulsen is another Tocchet guy from VAN. He obviously likes this guy and loves Rierden as a D coach. Underwhelmed with this need fill. Straight up defensive Dman. Only 157 games in at 28. We’ll see.
Vladar is below the .900 save percentage benchmark and is no proven workhorse. Not much to say here. The biggest need fill is the most disappointing. He was really good down the stretch in occasional duty. Somebody on the Flyers likes him though.
try to keep up, old man. your memory is slipping. Come talk to me when you compare it to other teams in the league. Until then, go play some power chords.
I’m willing to bet bragging rights the Rangers are worse. Their drafting is trash, maybe not since 90, but the last 20 years or so. The Flyers had nine picks in the top 60 over the last two drafts. Three were in the Top 13. Those guys have about a 90% hit rate at becoming regular NHLers. The other six, hopefully a couple or more can contribute. I like the team’s direction.
I don’t see how you consistently omitting him from your lineups when he will clearly be in the lineup barring a trade or injury is people coming to his defense. Most people see it as an omission and nothing more. Especially now that Pelletier is no longer in the equation.
I still don’t think it’s all that clear. Just like I don’t think it’s clear they won’t flip Cates to wing especially with the Dvorak signing.
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His name comes up a lot, especially when I post possible future line combinations and don’t include him. He seems to have a lot of fans here. I find it amusing, that’s all. He is an admirable guy though, like I said. Playing and being a .5 PPG guy at his size is quite an accomplishment. But I also see a lot of general dumping on the team at the same time I see the same fans jumping to his defense.
i get that he is likely the odd man out but I do think rose to the occasion under torts. that brink-cates-foerester line was really good for stretches. he showed more tenacity than I initially thought he was capable of.
He showed some spark and some skill. He’s an admirable player. He’ll likely get quite a few games in this year yet. It just cracks me up that every time I’ve said the Flyers were going to move away from smallish players like him, even before the draft, I always heard his name brought up as if I had just taken a dump on their kid’s birthday cake.
