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You’re missing something. Montreal had all of their first rounders plus 1st rounders they acquired when they did their rebuild.
Let’s go through this point by point to make it really simple for everybody here.
Montreal drafted 1st overall (Slav), 5th overall (Reinbacher) and 5th overall (Demidov) then made the Wild Card and then the Conference Finals. Their best players were not the guys they drafted in the lottery. Those guys will boost them as they develop but they were passengers for the most part. Their best players were Caufield who they drafted 15th (2019), Suzuki (former 13th overall pick) who they got in a trade for Patches and Hutson who they drafted in the 2nd round (2022). Are you following along so far? Okay, good.
So, right now, the Leafs are about to draft 1st overall. If they keep the pick, they have their lottery player. If they trade down, they still have a top 5 pick plus another 1st round pick. They also have Cowan, Knies and Danford in the system under 25. Still following? Good.
If they trade just Matthews and Nylander, they can easily acquire seven 1st round picks worth of value. That means any combination of assets. It could be a top-six player that is under 23 (Will Smith), that means a top prospect ready to jump to the NHL from junior or the NCAA that was a top pick (Misa). That means a lottery pick like 2nd overall from San Jose. That means any combination of those assets. And all of those players can become impact players either right away or within the next 3 years.
Additionally, they could easily acquire bad contracts for 1st round picks. They could also easily trade their blueline for 1st round picks (or prospects under 25) at the deadline. All of those assets could be used to draft 18 year olds or they could be trades that bring in players that are already drafted, rookies or young roster players. That means players that can contribute in the NHL right away or within 3 years.
The Habs could control the narrative due to being able to manipulate their positioning in the draft, to fall further down and draft in the top 5. The Leafs don’t have this for the next 2 years. They can’t just bottom out and get a top 5 pick by tanking and playing their AHLer’s.
The sports media owns the Leafs. They can control whatever narrative they want. But it wouldn’t matter anyway because MLSE could dress 20 monkeys throwing shit at each other and the tickets would still all be sold out. The players and the assets the Leafs acquire would NOT automatically drop them to 32nd overall. If they use Matthews and Nylander to acquire young, up and coming roster players or top prospects, those players will be in the NHL immediately. It would be closer to what the Leafs were like when Matthews and Marner were 60-70 point rookie / sophomore players. The Leafs didn’t tank those seasons, they were actually a wild card team.
Those picks are gone.
Yup, they are. That doesn’t mean you have to wait two years while Matthews walks to UFA status to demolish your chances at cashing on his maximum value.
No one’s gifting you a top 5 pick without a substantial piece going the other way.
Who the fuck ever said the Leafs would be given a gift of a top 5 pick? How many times does it need to be said that trading Matthews and Nylander with 50% retained is what you are sending the other way. If Matthews and Nylander got you two top 5 picks in this draft right now plus 5 other 1st round pieces, it’s as if the Leafs are drafting in the lottery three times in one year. Or three times in two years. Whatever combination you want to conjure up, the Leafs are bringing in high value assets for Matthews and Nylander. That’s their draft lottery but all at once, not spread out over 5 years.
Damage control for 2 years in necessary.
The “damage control” is a plan and that plan should be to maximize their draft capital to do a full blown rebuild to add to their under 25 assets. Leafs fans will beLeaf just about anything the media will serve them. They are blue no matter who (like Democrats). It’s the easiest sell job in history if you get the correct returns on your top assets.
Keep those picks later in the draft and deny your conference foes a star player due to fucktard Treliving.
The scenario you keep endorsing walks Matthews to free agency just like Marner. So congratulations, Boston and Philadelphia get shit picks and the Leafs lose their most valuable asset to kick start a major rebuild. And then what comes after that? Then you have to sit there for 3-5 years of bottom feeding and praying you win more lotteries to recover the assets you could have just got by trading Matthews and Nylander at peak value. Boston and Philadelphia could get a top prospect but the Leafs would be swimming with an entire team of 1st round picks in less than 3 years time. Advantage would still be for the Leafs.
The Leafs need to play their cards, this year.
There are no more cards to play. It’s over.
Run Matthews with whoever they draft and Knies.
Pointless. They already shat the bed last year and the division is only getting younger, faster and stronger. The Leafs throwing an overhyped rookie into the 1st line and praying for a miracle is exactly how you ruin a top prospect which is precisely what the Leafs are masters of doing. Time to change that pattern of failure, not repeat it expecting different results.
Try and salvage a playoff spot, or at least be in contention and keep that pick from being the next Tukka Rask, or Dougie Hamilton.
Yeah right, playoffs. Nice fantasy. Again, you can put your wasted energy in trying to spite your rivals but it only hurts the Leafs more. It only delays the inevitable and it only lowers the value of the players. Keeping Matthews long enough into the season to boost his value (January) is the maximum he should be kept for.
It’s stupid to kill yourself for the vultures to pick your dried bones.
What’s stupid is expecting this team to be any different or any better with no realistic UFA options, no trade options and no major changes. It’s over. It’s time to blow it up. They have nothing left to keep the Titanic from sinking; it’s already smashed the iceberg.
Besides, MLS&E will never allow it, due to needing playoff ratings.
False. MLSE needs to create a winner. A 1st round exit means fuck all to them and fuck all to the fans. It’s time to get serious about making sacrifices to be champions. And it starts with blowing up this team and starting over. This team will end up rebuilding, it’s just a question of will they trade their assets now and do it the easy way or will they run their players into UFA status and have to do it the long, slow, retarded way you yourself suggest they have no interest in doing.
I have no real thoughts on Babcock. I know someone who played for him, and they liked it. You however seem confused was Babcock and A-hole for putting Marner in that position or was Marner a snitch?
Babcock is a total asshole but that’s his job and that’s how he squeezes the most out of every player. Michael Jordan was a world class asshole but he won at all costs. Marner was caught in the middle of his mind games as a teenager. It’s called inexperience.
Two – two. Best of 3. Whoever wins game 5, wins the series. It’s going to be difficult to win 2 straight.
Vegas won’t win with Eichel missing that many chances. He’s playing like Matthews.
I was reading this trade proposal:
The Maple Leafs would send Knies, Jacob Quillan, and a 2nd-rounder to Chicago, and get back the No. 4 pick (Reid if available), plus Oliver Moore and Kevin Korchinski.
I don’t know man. It would be hard for me to trade Knies as I see him as a Kreider type player.
Trading Knies could really help fix the Leafs blue line.Trading Matthews and Nylander would really help fix the Leafs blueline with a full rebuild.
Yep Marner cowered like a little bitch when he spoke to Babcock about his team mates
Oh this is rich. The entire woke world says Babcock is the evil oppressor and now you got the bright idea to call, then 19 year old Marner, a cowering bitch for compiling a list of his teammates based on work ethic and feeling bad about it. You’re a special kind of retard.
I hope they Hire Babcock that a nice circus to watch. I doubt he would help the team win any more then the last coach. its the GMs building the team that sucks
he would be the 7th coach for Mcdavid. 7 coaches in 12 seasons. he should help Mcdavid out the doorCoaching is half the problem in Edmonton as they have zero goaltending and every coach out there doesn’t go far without goaltending. That’s the real problem.
If McDavid goes out the door, it will be for more than one reason. He’s been a part of every major decision they make so he’s not faultless in the process. Retard Leafs fans praying he comes to Toronto will be in for a rude awakening when he prefers winning a Cup over dealing with blue and white retards every day. By time he’s a UFA, the Leafs will have nothing to offer him that he actually wants.
Tear down and rebuild in 3 years hahaha
just absolute nonsenseretain 50% on Nylander for 6 years lol
like every 1st round pick will be an NHLer lol
they wont get top 5 picks, they will all be 15-32You’re clearly too stupid to read what “1st round pick” worth of value means, trying to pretend the entire process is just drafting 18 year old, 1st round picks.
Montreal just went from drafting 1st overall to the Conference Finals in how many years?
But that’s unpossible! Maybe it’s impossible for a Leafs GM or their fans to figure it out but it’s possible.
Where did Montreal get Hutson? 2nd round. Caufield? 15th overall. Suzuki? 13th overall, acquired for Patches (Matthews and Nylander are WAY more valuable).
Cowan? Late 1st round pick. Same with Danford. Knies? 2nd round pick. Leafs have a 1st overall pick this year they can turn into a top 5 pick and another 1st.
You’re literally just too retarded to understand.
Leafs are going to retain 50% salary until 2032 on Nylander lmfao
it gets dumber the more you read
Dumb is believing he’s gonna win a Cup in Toronto by 2032.
A full tear down will take at absolute best 5 years to get back to contending, but likely longer.
Knies will be 24 when the season starts, so that put him at 30 when the team might start to turn a corner.3 years lol fuck off with that nonsense.
if they commit to full tear down without their own 2 first lmfao. its a decade before they start to contend again
Nope, you’re just too retarded to understand the methodology.
Knies can either stay or be traded. He works in both scenarios.
Having their own two 1sts would be better but walking Matthews to UFA status is pure retard behavior that of course you endorse. Keep dreaming that they can re-tool with no prospects, no farm system, no UFAs and Matthews can score 100 goals by himself without Marner to a Cup.
