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this is my proposal
Van gets – #1 pick (Mckenna), Rielly
Tor gets – #3 pick (Stenberg/Ried), E PettersonLeafs still get a skilled top 6 player who can contribute now. and either Stenberg or the D they need Ried.
Van gets flashy #1 pick and 3/4 DEW. No. Pettersson absolutely sucks. 15 goals, 50 points and -30. That’s a good plan if you want to tank harder.
The Sedins took over VAN now so they’re going to cook him some Swedish meatballs and won’t trade him or his horrible contract.
I am not talking about hype, just the scoring upside and type of player. But Zetterberg is also a comp for Stenberg.
Kane did score 62 goals and 145 points, but in his age 17-18 season.
Mckenna had 129 points in the WHL in his age 16-17 Season. He was over 1 year younger. Its hard to compare his NCAA season to Kane last OHL season.I am not advocating for anyone, my comments are on just what I feel the Leafs will do. But ultimately I have no idea, Chayka can be a wild card sometimes.
Sundin will lean towards Stenberg and Chayka will try to trade down.
The leafs sucked then tanked and got Nylander, Marner and Matthews in the process even they did not do a full tear down then, they kept Kadri and Rielly.
They are in an even more precarious position now since they dont have 2027/28 firsts. So yeah, they wont be doing a full tear down. And I dont think they need to now, at least until you see how Matthews plays out.Keeping Kadri and Rielly would be like the Leafs keeping Knies and Cowan. It was a full rebuild, they kept every young piece they had.
They absolutely have to rebuild. Matthews should want to leave too. Too many holes, not enough assets and not enough time. It’s mutually beneficial to trade Matthews.
Should do and can do are two different things. First, you know MLS&E won’t stand for a full rebuild. They have shareholders to keep happy and a shinny new National Cable package that brings in advertising revenue. The Maple Leafs are the NHL’s most valuable team in regards to revenue sharing. If people don’t come, because the team is in the shitter for 5+ years, that can be an issue for the league. My best bet is a fairly deep retool. They may indeed move Matthews and Nylander, but they’ll want NHL caliber talent coming back, as well as draft capital. The team won’t wait for three years to be a playoff team again. My guess is they’ll be into free agency and build around their current defensive core and goaltending. Their goaltending depth is also an asset. They could easily flip Woll for a first rounder and never miss a beat. Stolarz and Hildeby would suffice as a tandem that makes them competitive next year. Would I like a true rebuild? Sure, but MLS&E won’t. Best case scenario is seeing them acquire another early 1st rounder this year, to go with number 1 and play the longer game of moving assets at the trade deadline, next year. That allows them to short their own first rounder to Philly, next year, forcing it to be in the 15 to 20 range, while securing a better first from another team. Do that and the Boston pick may be irrelevant.
The Leafs have and will do a rebuild again. The seats will still be sold. The Leafs will still make more money than God.
Retool is not an option. If Matthews decides he’s finished with this team, everybody else is gone and a full rebuild occurs.
The reality is, Matthews benefits more from leaving and so do the Leafs. It’s a win-win for both sides. This team can’t be fixed. It’s littered with problems and not enough assets or time to fix it.
I can’t see them getting 10 to 12 1st rounders, but maybe 6. They would acquire a few top prospects, but without their own first rounders for 2 years, it doesn’t really help. Unless one of the trades are with Philly, to get their 1st back, it’ll be a retool, probably fairly deep, but the stupidity of Treliving sabotaged a true rebuild. You still have to ice a competitive team going forward.
Nope. If the Leafs play their cards right, they could get anywhere between ten and twelve 1st round picks worth of value and that’s on the low end because there are other ways for the Leafs to accumulate more 1st round picks that Chayka has done before.
For the purpose of this discussion, when I say “1st round pick” it is a means of value. That means it could be a former 1st round pick, a current 1st round pick, a top prospect considered as valuable as a 1st round or a young roster player who was a 1st round pick or equal and significant value. For example, Rantanen cost: Logan Stankoven (young roster player equivalent to a 1st round pick in value), conditional round 1 pick in the 2026 draft, round 3 pick in the 2026 draft, round 3 pick in the 2027 draft and conditional round 1 pick in the 2028 draft. That is considered the same value as three 1st round picks and two 3rd round picks.
Step 1: Decide the goal is to do a full rebuild. The Leafs don’t own their own 1st round pick for 2027 or 2028. That makes tanking good for Boston and Philadelphia. However, if they use the 2027 regular season as a year to rebuild the value of players, they can start the fire sale at the deadline. And yes, one of the deals could be to get the 1st round pick back from Boston or Philadelphia but that depends on the situation those teams are in at the deadline.
Step 2: Trade Matthews. He’s the biggest chip. If Matthews goes around January, absolutely everybody else jumps ship willingly by the deadline.
Step 3: Retain salary on big contracts to increase return. Matthews is incredibly valuable as is. But if he scores 40-50 next year and is 50% retained, that’s extremely valuable to a contender. And if one contender is in on Matthews, multiple others will join the bidding war. The same would happen for Nylander 50% retained. And OEL. And Carlo. And Tanev. And McCabe. Teams always overpay for depth D at the deadline. The Leafs have four pieces, one of which the Leafs themselves pissed away a 1st and a top prospect to acquire last year.
Matthews 50% retained (6.625 AAV until 2028) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Four 1st round picks. Matthews, the 50 goal scorer, is already worth four 1st round picks. At 6.625, he’s worth more. With an extension, he’s worth even more. Four 1st round picks is the LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE for that type of value. As many as five or even six pieces could be demanded if a bidding war begins.
Nylander 50% retained (5.75 AAV until 2030) at the TDL or 2027 draft: Three 1st round picks. 40 goal, 80 point player for 5.75 is EASILY worth three 1st round picks, maybe more.
Tanev 50% retained (2.25 AAV until 2030) at the TDL: 1st round pick. Players like Tanev go for a 1st every year. Holding 50% of salary reduces cap hit in case of injury and increases return.
OEL at the TDL: 1st round pick + prospect (High value player, low salary)
McCabe at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st for McCabe)
Carlo at the TDL: 1st round pick (Leafs paid a 1st + Minten)
Tavares at the TDL: 1st round pick (If Laughton cost a 1st, Tavares would get one easily as a 30 goal, 70 point player and low cap hit)The Leafs, needing to rebuild, won’t need the cap space until beyond 2030 when all those contracts expire and while all the new prospects are on cheap ELC. Leafs could also continue to take on bad contracts for draft picks as Chayka has done many, many times before to reach the cap floor and increase draft capital. If the Leafs take 3 or 4 bad contracts, that could also add up to more 1st / 2nd round picks as we saw the Leafs pay many times to dump the likes of Marleau and Mrazek.
That’s twelve (minimum) 1st round picks for a full tear down fire sale and doesn’t even include 1st round picks the Leafs could bring in for bad contracts.
If the Canucks are interested in making a trade with San Jose to move to #2, then the Canucks could make a trade to move from #2 to 1. San Jose would probably like to draft a defenseman, but are inclined to draft the best player available. Vancouver is hot after McKenna. The Leafs could try to drag a top prospect or a late 1st rounder from Vancouver to move up to #1. Stenberg could then be taken by the Leafs at #2 and gain an asset for later in the draft or next year. If they do get to that point, do they move Knies to Chicago for #4 plus another late 1st rounder and draft that defenseman that they so covet? Get Stenberg, get their top end defenseman, 2 extra 1st rounders and Stenberg takes Knies spot in the lineup. That’s a quick retool with Matthews and Nylander still on the roster.
There is no “retool” option. There are too many major flaws with this team. Not a single player in this draft turns this team around the corner in the amount of time Matthews has left on his contract. Trading Knies is the guaranteed path to a full rebuild. An 18 year old will never replace what Knies brings today and that will piss off Matthews.
The only logical option is full tear down and rebuild. Matthews, Nylander, McCabe, Tanev, OEL, Carlo, Tavares…all these guys bring you 10-12 1st round picks combined. Trying to “retool” walks them to UFA status and the Leafs spend an extra 5 years trying to get back to the level they could get right now if they blow it all up right now.
You laffs loozers need a lesson from my lover UGgie Wuggie. Learn to cope like we do.
Lesson one: post non stop about players that left willingly, or that were traded, or that didn’t re-sign. That’s how to cope retards. Also claim that you don’t care, but literally post the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, etc., to a room if 4 other people.
Lesson two: no matter what the leafs do, find a way to put a negative spin on it.
Lesson three: claim Rod the Bod as the best coach ever regardless that he never won as a coach and it took 17 years and a fluke (8th vs 8th) to win as a player.
Lesson four: claim Q as a master the laffs should have gotten, ignoring it was his lack of coaching and in game/series adjustments that lost the series.
Lesson five: lust for rapists as players and for rape positive Game and Coaches.
Lesson six: hate women.
Lesson seven: just start by typing the word retard. Only the super smart understand this.Cope loozzer RETARDS LMFAO
#1: The Leafs themselves are the biggest reason for losing the majority of those high quality players. It’s a known fact and clear pattern of incompetence. The Leafs have terrible asset management. They consistently acquire the wrong players for the wrong price and lose better players for pennies on the dollar.
#2: What actual positive things has this franchise done since 1967? The goal is a Stanley Cup and they can barely build a team that makes it out of the 1st round.
#3: Name better coaches in the NHL than Rod. Name better coaches the Leafs have hired since Pat Quinn better than Rod. Carolina barely spends money and are a contender every year. In the past 5 years, they’re 2nd only to Colorado in regular season points and 3rd in playoff wins (60%). The majority of people who know hockey have praised how much he’s been able to accomplish with so little investment into the team and relatively no star players. He coaches as hard as he played. He’s the exact remedy to what this franchise lacks.
#4: How many Stanley Cups does Coach Q have? How many people expected the Ducks to make the playoffs much less win a round? His team of misfits and inexperienced players did not lose because of him. They made it as far as they did because of him. Where did Berube get the Leafs? 5th worst team in the NHL. Oops, Leafs fucked up again.
#5: Name the convicted rapists being lusted for. Oh right, you’re one of these retards that can’t tell the difference between accusation and conviction. Proven NOT GUILT in court isn’t a high enough standard for your social justice crusade. But now I’ll just accuse you of being a rapist and call you a rapist from now on because we should just believe every single accusation regardless of merit, evidence or even being found not guilty in court. Okay rapist? Cool rapist. You’re the rapist now.
#6: Everybody here loves women, especially your mom. I actually identify as a woman so I can’t hate myself. You should show everybody here how much you love women and just exclusively watch the PWHL. They need as many white knights as they can get. Or is it BIPOC Knights now? Or MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ Knights?
#7: You’ve worked so hard to earn your title of retard. Since you like to use multiple accounts, you and your alts will now be known as Retard Rapist.
Cope harder Retard Rapist.
Losing Pridham might have bothered me a few years ago, but teams all have capable cap experts, its not the advantage it used to be.
Also, you can say while having his expertise, it did nothing. they won fuck all so *shrug*Other teams have experts but Pridham is the leader among them. It’s like saying, Berube is an expert coach. That is true because he’s one of only 32 people in the world that get to coach in the NHL. But if he’s the 32nd out of 32, you’re the worst coach in the NHL. Same can be said about the cap experts. Pridham is the foremost expert and will most likely be replaced by somebody not as good.
Or maybe this idiot Pelley will try to use ChatGPT to replace him.
Iv consumed a bunch of draft content, and to me I think the Leafs take Mckenna. Its close
The comps are like picking Patrick Kane/Panerin vs Tim Stutzle /Lucas Raymond
not perfect comps but you get the ideaIf McKenna is hyped as Patrick Kane, Stenberg could be considered Forsberg or Zetterberg. Very few Swedish prospects have scored the way he scored in the SHL this year. Stenberg has outperformed guys like Backstrom, Nylander, Lindholm, Carlsson and many other elite Swedish prospects. And he doesn’t play one-way hockey. His hockey IQ is high and plays two-way hockey. It’s a shame he doesn’t play center but if the battle is between two wingers, Stenberg is the superior all around player. Considering the Leafs have already tried and failed with Nylander as a one-way player, it would be repeating the same mistake all over again. Even if McKenna were the higher offensive output player, we know that when the games matter, what Stenberg brings is more valuable. We have also seen McKenna finish in 2nd (or worse) in the OHL, the WJC and the NCAA when he was considered the best player on the ice amongst his peers. That’s potentially because of his lack of a physical game and a defensive game costs him the games that matter the most. Watching him for Canada, he was the “best” player on the “best” team and did not deliver.
McKenna is not Patrick Kane. The only reason that comparison is appearing is because he punched somebody out in a street fight situation. That comparison is an overshoot. Kane scored 60+ goals in the OHL with 140+ points. He made Sam Gagner and Sergei Kostitsyn look like legit stars and turned them both into 100+ point players. The hype around Kane was that of a legit generational talent. The same can’t be said about McKenna legitimately and the biggest reason for his hype is because he’s the Canadian contender for #1 and the Canadian sports media likes to hype their own guy harder.
In terms of who might dominate the NHL, there’s a strong case to be made for Reid as an offensive, smooth skating, 6’3″ RHD. He could be the next Makar (better than Hischier and Patrick). That, to me, is so much more valuable than a one-way LW. Same could be said about Verhoeff in a different manner as he could be a physically dominating top pair RHD like Ekblad or Hedman. Again, not the “100 point” player but the guy who helps you win when the games matter the most. If the Islanders got to draft 1st overall again in 2009 knowing what they know now, would they take Tavares or Hedman? I’d take Hedman.
It’s not about who will score the most points anymore. It’s about who can you build a winning franchise with and around. You can score all the goals and points you want (in the extreme case like McDavid) but at the end of the season it’s not the singular factor in what builds a winning team anymore.
The guy crunched numbers. Probably the easiest job in the organization. Not huge. Not big. Not significant in any way.
Good try.
Yes, crunching numbers is important no matter how trivial you think it is, reality says it’s very important. It’s not even close to the easiest job in the organization considering how the CBA is complex and constantly changing. You might be new to following salary cap hockey but the way the NHL works, the teams that have found the most creative ways around the CBA have used it to win the Stanley Cup. Considering the Leafs haven’t won a Cup since 1967, it’s important to get every single advantage you can possibly get. Pridham was one of the few advantages the Leafs had and now it’s gone.
Definitely huge. Very big. Very significant in many ways.
Cope harder.
