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Bud is so dumb eh – you have been on here saying Tavares wasn’t even good in his prime you goof. Made Team Canada Olympic team. Facts.
Marner never won a Selke – he was nominated by media crazy Toronto writers – who like you spell check online posts on a hockey forum cause that their flex (as it typically is with those who can’t even skate let alone played the game).
Marner reached 100pts once. Just now. Marner was responsible for a GWG by floating a knuckles on net blind and it found its way in. Oh and as I skooled you before (school with a K to give you something to say back), Marner did dick all but shovel a 2foot pass through nothing and nobody then 34 did all the work as usual and scored giving bitchy a primary point.
What are mitchys points on later games in the series? You know when it gets more physical and intense? Oh that’s right – the Magic Man pulls his disappearing act – like the rest of the core of this team. Problem is most people around here can admit to Willy being soft, not performing when it counts etc. you and your butt buddy just can’t do that cause of your fanboy crush.
23 big IQ points.
If somebody just looks at points like a video game and measures a players impact game to game like that – they know not what they watch (cough UG cough). But if they insist:
Willy be Bitchy Mitchy playoffs this year:
Willy
GP — 13
G – 6
A – 9
Pts – 15Greedy Brat
GP – 13
G – 2
A – 11
Pts – 13Also reg season +/- one was +10 the other +18…again a useless stat but just trying to reach the undereducated hockey fan who looks at the game stats first – like they want the season played in a simulator because they don’t get in game impacts.
Marner is certainly the better all around player but not by much at all. Maybe a $500K per season difference. Mitch kills penalties? Cool so do 4th liners. Hardly a reason to pay a WINGER who doesn’t score that much cash. Mitch is not good 5v5 defensively. He makes poor decisions with puck in own zone (as noted by d zone giveaways) and has a hard time reading off rushes, and on top of all that, is so incredibly weak that he is absolutely useless in the drone at winning puck battles. In fact he rarely gets involved because he is timid…like Willy.
Mitch is a phenomenal at anticipation. That’s what make him both a very good offensive talent and very good pk player. Smart player.
When was Nylander nominated for the Selke, faced 1st line competition 5v5 and scored at a 100 point per 82 game pace?
Oh right, never.
Did Nylander score a GWG and have a primary assist on a GWG vs Florida?
Oh right, he disappeared vs. Florida after Game 3. -3 for the series, on the ice for the 2nd most goals against (12), after Tavares (14) playing against weaker competition.
Claiming a future Hall of Fane player who made Team Canada (men’s teams) has net been good because he lacks major awards? So dumb.
Because I’m so dumb, where can I find the Hall of Fane? Can’t seem to find it anywhere. Just like I couldn’t find Tavares on Team Canada for the 4 Nations. Was that Tavares who set up the OT GWG? Must have been.
that’s your opinion which means NOTHING. I think he will do fine.
Who says he’s a 1 year rental. Only you who says that.No, that’s the facts. He was acquiring to be a 3rd line center. Ended up on the 4th line center. Then 4th line LW.
He did nothing in the regular season and scored, I repeat, ZERO GOALS in 13 playoff games. ZERO.
He’s only here because the Flyers retained salary. If he gets an extension, you think he’s going to play for 1 million again? Only way he does that is if he indeed sucks again.
Objective facts are that he sucked.
Fact is Marner has been part of the methods of stupidity in building a team.
so overpay him again?doesnt make sense to say they suck a one thing then want them to do that same thing
And yet has more career playoff points than everybody on the team so clearly the stupidity is in the complimentary pieces they keep failing to acquire.
at what cost.? He disappears when the going get tough in the playoffs. This is fact.
The current Leafs model has not work for the last decade in the playoffs. Time to change it up.It’s not actually a fact because this year against Florida, no other team won 3 games against them. Marner directly helped win 2 of them with a GWG and a primary assist to Matthews. That shows he’s a factor in winning games against the Champs. That’s a guy who is part of the solution, not the problem.
Marner is not the perfect playoff beast. He’s not McDavid. But not even McDavid with his absurd scoring won the Cup and beat Florida, even with Draisaitl putting up the same absurd number of points.
What Marner did do, however, was be part of the 1st line that was clearly, objectively, absolutely not part of the problem. They contained Florida’s top line defensively. And offensively, the Leafs 1st line scored ALL THREE GWGs vs Florida. You keep that line together and you improve the rest of the team by getting rid of the REAL problems like Tavares and Rielly. You could also negotiate a way to trade Nylander too but he’s in his prime so you can afford to keep him for now and still be okay so long as you get him two solid two-way players to make up for his defensive laziness.
Making change for the sake of change makes no sense, especially when that change is one of your best players. That’s like having burnt out light bulbs in your house and changing the bulbs that are still working, hoping that the burnt out light bulbs will start working properly. It won’t work.
Tavares and Rielly are the main problems. Make those REAL changes and actually improve the team.
lol jfc constant ranty guy cant help himself
who fucking cares about all that. point being they didnt have to reply on good drafting to win.Who cares about the actual facts when you can bullshit yourself into believing things that aren’t really true. Tracks coming from you. No need to reply on the facts.
Laughton is NOT dog poop.
Only Leafs haters and Flyers fans would say that.No, he’s dogshit. He’s another Kampf from Oakville. Literally 0 playoff goals for a 1st round pick and a 1 year rental.
some people get ranty when you post simple facts. its nothing to get worked up about. UFAs get offered contracts based on thier reg season production.
players who score 38 goals and 74 points get paid accordinglyThe simplest of facts is that the Leafs absolutely suck at building a winning hockey team and far too many people support their methods of stupidity.
It is a fact that both Mitch Marner and John Tavares will be given contracts that wildly overpay.
The only debate is whether or not the Leafs are the ones giving that contract to Tavares (Mitchy is so far gone, I can’t even see him).
The difference being that Marner is at least a two-way player, entering his prime and Tavares is about to be 35+.
Marner, having more career playoff points and 5 straight seasons of 100 points per 82 games, is the better way to spend money.
Vegas will be very happy with Marner. He’ll be raising the Cup like Kadri did before the Leafs ever will again.
I’m kinda digging Uggie’s theory that it is MiB and Meltzer handing out the bans – it’s really the only thing that makes sense.
Corry Perry at 34 scored 5 goals and was always injured, Tavares just scored 38. is a Center and still a point a game.
I agree once JT is a 10 goal 30 point player, he should be getting 1mil deals. but thats not reality for him right now.JT has been exactly what you expect over the 7 years. If you were expecting awards and scoring titles, thats probably on you
Congrats on Tavares scoring 38 regular season goals at 34 years old. How many playoff goals did he score at 34 years old? Oh, the same as Perry? 5? With a 10 million dollar difference in salary? Wow!
Corey Perry, at 34, played 27 playoff games, scored 5 playoff goals and made it to the Cup Final. What did Tavares do against Florida? Oh right, disappeared offensively and sucked balls defensively.
Corey Perry, at 35, played 22 playoff games, scored 10 points and made it to the Cup Final on a Montreal team that beat the Leafs after they collapsed and blew a 3-1 series lead.
Corey Perry, at 36, played 23 playoff games, scored 6 playoff goals and made it to the Cup Final on Tampa Bay, that also beat the Leafs.
Corey Perry, at 38 and 39, went to the Cup Final with Edmonton, scoring a total of 11 playoff goals and 17 playoff points.All those seasons without ever making more than 1.5 AAV, sometimes as low as 775K.
I can guaran-fucking-tee you Tavares won’t be playing 119 playoff games with 28 playoff goals from 35-40, especially at 5-7 AAV a year. Why is that a guarantee? Because from the day he was drafted, up to 34, he only played 75 playoff games with 28 career playoff goals. He couldn’t do it at his best, he won’t be doing shit as he approaches 40.
If a player is the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL, there should be some kind of success otherwise that’s definitely on stupid management.
He can have his regular season stats, he’ll disappear again like he did against Florida. You keep defending a player who absolutely sucks at living up to his hype. Have fun.
Out of Floridas last 10 drafts (63 picks) they have 1 player on the team that had any impact on the cup wins. Lundell thats 2015-2024
Wrong again, as you were with the Leafs 1st round record the past 10-12 years.
The problem you have is you absolutely fail to see how Florida has elite asset management skills. When they give something up, they get fair (or greater) value in return. They find free stars all the time.
To start, they used 13th overall, Spencer Knight, to acquire Seth Jones. Eetu Luostarinen was acquired by trading their 3rd round pick of Trocheck. Good drafting turned into good trades. Just like they got Tkachuk for Huberdeau.
Need more examples? Great. There are plenty more.
Acquired Sam Reinthart for peanuts; 7th round pick Devon Levi and a 1st. Notice how when the Leafs trade a prospect and a 1st round pick they get dog shit like Laughton in return? Or a rental that plays 20 games? Not Florida.
Same thing they did to acquire Sam Bennett; Emil Heineman, 2nd round pick + another 2nd round pick. Again, when the Leafs throw away 2nd round picks, they get rentals, they didn’t get Bennett.
Marchand? Conditional 2nd round pick. Not even a fucking 1st.
Carter Verhaeghe? Free. Gustav Forsling? Free.
Even their “mistakes” of signing a goalie to a 10 million dollar contract turned out to not be a mistake, unlike when the Leafs did it with Tavares.
When the Leafs can hit that many home runs in trades, waiver wire and UFA signings, then they can afford to absolutely suck balls at drafting. Unfortunately, the Leafs absolutely suck at all three.
So if the Leafs don’t resign JT, do they move Nylander to #2C?
Knies Matthews Domi/??P.Kane??
McMann Nylander Domi/??P.Kane??
Pacioretty/??Jeannot?? Holmberg/Kampf ??E. Kane??
Lorentz Laughton ??B. Tanev??¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nylander can not play center in the NHL. He’s physically weak, horrible defensively and can’t win face-offs. Nylander is a one dimensional, offensive winger. That’s it. He’s a better Phil Kessel. End of story.
That entire line-up is just one giant mess of a defensive liability after another. Absolute opposite of a Berube team.
Leafs got picks #64,84,137,153,185 and 217 coming up this Friday and Saturday draft.
Are they going to add or subtract from those numbers.
I wonder the Leafs could get E. Kane + a 3rd round pick in 2026 form the Oliers as a possible cap dump for pick #84This will give the Oilers some cap space to go after Swayman.
I would happily trade every single Leafs pick in the draft, and I literally mean every single pick if necessary, if it meant the Leafs could bring in Jenner and McBain to play 2C and 3C. The odds of the Leafs being able to actually draft and develop any players from 64th and beyond is next to zero. I’d rather just go all the way with it and bring in two guaranteed guys in their mid 20s you will play on this team for at least the next 3-5 years so that you still have a crack at success with Matthews still on the team.
Evander Kane, much like Patrick Kane, is a liability at this stage of his career. He’s often injured, wrong side of 30 and way too expensive. I’d take Patrick and Evander Kane at 2 million each but not a penny more. Simply not worth it anymore. If the Oilers couldn’t win a Cup with Evander Kane at 5+ AAV, the Leafs won’t be able to either.
time will tell who is wrong … in your mind I’m wrong, in mine, I’m correct.
Time has already proven you, among many other Leafs fans and the Leafs management wrong.
When Tavares arrived he was the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL, in his prime.
What did he actually accomplish in 7 years?
No awards. Didn’t lead the league in anything. Won one playoff series. Lost seven. Less points than every other core player. Biggest defensive liability too.
How the hell can anyone possibly think he’s worth another chance at 35+ if he’s making anything more than 2 million a year as a pure passenger depth piece?
Corey Perry is the model for how Tavares would be useful to a team going forward. But not at 5-7 million a year. Not anymore.
I disagree with your assessment of JT. He was ok with whom he played with. The 2nd line was missing a good 2LW.
If the Leafs had better 2LW than Holmberg or McMann, things could of been better for them but they did not.You are free to disagree and be wrong.
The LW situation does suck but isn’t a strong enough reason for the way they disappeared after Game 3. Especially on the PP for which there is no excuse of having any weak players on the ice.
You can’t have Tavares on the same line or even team as Nylander. They are the same type of player. Both defensively inept and offensively streaky. Nylander wins because he is younger and Tavares offensively disappeared vs the Panthers.
It’s great news that Tavares wants more than 5 AAV and hopefully he’s gone because he sucked at his best, he’ll be useless on his next contract as he approaches 40.
Would love Tavares to sign the Duchene deal
Too bad they both absolutely suck balls in the playoffs, especially defensively.
And that’s exactly why this team will continue to lose.
